Blu-Ray Pwned again!

[p2501]

http://reviews.cnet.com/4531-10921_7-6555414.html?tag=cnetfd.sd


Samsung admits to flaw in Blu-ray player
July 20, 2006, 8:40 AM PDT

With regards to Blu-ray and HD-DVD: remember how we keep saying that first-generation technology has its share of bugs and that we expect things to improve in later generations? Well, it may happen sooner rather than later. The Samsung BD-P1000 Blu-ray player--which, although it delivered a pretty good picture, still exhibited softer image quality than we or anybody else expected--reportedly shipped with a faulty chip. The company's engineers blame the player's Genesis scaler chip, which apparently shipped with a noise-reduction feature turned on, which had the effect of softening the image.

The Perfect Vision reports that the flaw was first discovered by a Sony executive, who noticed that the Samsung player didn't measure up to the quality he'd seen on the master recordings. Samsung rep Jim Sandusky, as quoted in TPV, backed up the story: "Samsung is currently working to revise the default settings on the noise-reduction circuit in the Genesis scaler chip to sharpen the picture. All future Samsung BD-P1000 production will have this revision, and we are working to develop a firmware update for existing product." I have a call in to Samsung for an official comment and will update this entry if necessary.

Of course, Sony and other backers of Blu-ray obviously have every reason to curb the growing perception that their format has inferior image quality to HD-DVD. With that in mind, I take this news with another healthy grain of salt and eagerly await the next Blu-ray players from Sony itself--as well as Pioneer and Panasonic--to see if they're indeed better performers than the BD-P1000. Early reports from UltimateAV and The Digital Bits indicate that the Pioneer, at least, produces a sharper picture than the Samsung. I still have doubts that Blu-ray will match the image quality of HD-DVD, at least with Sony titles, mainly because Sony is still using MPEG-2 encoding, which is inferior to the VC-1 encoding used by HD-DVD. Video expert Joe Kane has already voiced his concerns over Sony's choice of encoding formats.

We expect to receive Samsung's firmware update when and if it becomes available and will test it ourselves here at CNET, then update our BD-P1000 review accordingly. Speaking of updates, Toshiba has already issued a firmware update for its HD-A1 HD-DVD player, and we're in the process of updating our review of that unit, too. Isn't first-gen technology fun?




Yay unproven technology.

[axlish]

Wow. The HD-DVD launch continues to look better in hindsight with BluRay stumbling out of the gates so badly. MPEG-2 compression? WTF?

[p2501]

yeah the MPEG thing stuck out a bit.

Sony basicly is slapping fresh paint on a 1992 Honda accord, and saying it's brand new.

[bassman]

What the hell is "pwned"????

At first I thought it was a typo of "owned", but after seeing it around in several other places, I'm starting to suspect it stands for something.

What's the deal? Is it a saying for the computer geek club or something?:p


But yeah, screw all this blu-ray, HD-DVD, and whatnot. I'm happy with my regular ol' dvds.

[MinionZombie]

"pwned" is just "leet speak". It does mean "owned" but for some reason computer geeks, the sort of people that seriously say sh*t like that on Counter Strike online, actually use it and replace letters with numbers or other letters for letters...how random.

However, that said, P was using it non-seriously...

[Danny]

i think p2501 just sits looking up **** about sony, be careful man, your gonna end of with sony hitmen hot on your ass:lol:

[Tullaryx]

i think p2501 just sits looking up **** about sony, be careful man, your gonna end of with sony hitmen hot on your ass:lol:

Beware of Kutaragi and his killer grill machine!

[Danny]

"im so proud of it i put yo' face on it, BITCH!":lol:

[p2501]

Minion pretty much nailed the Pwned thing. my own variant on it is in fact derrived from the term "owned" or more commonly "face raped". I picked it up from Halo multiplayer when if you kill someone and a truely humiliating fashion you "own" them. :eek:


as for the sony arties, i find most of them over on Cnet.com. i hit them in the afternoons just to see if anything interesting is on the radar. the Cnet editorial staff i think has it in for the PS3 and Blu-ray. :elol:


so for the sony SQUAT teams commin to get meh. bring it. it's be a short fight, and i haven't been able to loot the dead in soooooooo long.

[general tbag]

i wonder if there will be a ps4 .....

[Danny]

i wonder if there will be a ps4 .....

*sniggers*.......


i doubt it, onyl nintendos lasted that long with main brand name consoles in the last few years, and thats mostly becuase of innovation and fun, the ps3 is getting less like a real games console and more like a gmaeing version of the presenters from gamesville...:barf:

[erisi236]

I think originally "pwned" started out cuz "p" seems easier to hit then "o" when tyeing fast in online games like CounterStrike, so it just stuck....maybe :D

[Neil]

http://reviews.cnet.com/4531-10921_7-6555414.html?tag=cnetfd.sd


Samsung admits to flaw in Blu-ray player
July 20, 2006, 8:40 AM PDT

With regards to Blu-ray and HD-DVD: remember how we keep saying that first-generation technology has its share of bugs and that we expect things to improve in later generations? Well, it may happen sooner rather than later. The Samsung BD-P1000 Blu-ray player--which, although it delivered a pretty good picture, still exhibited softer image quality than we or anybody else expected--reportedly shipped with a faulty chip. The company's engineers blame the player's Genesis scaler chip, which apparently shipped with a noise-reduction feature turned on, which had the effect of softening the image.

The Perfect Vision reports that the flaw was first discovered by a Sony executive, who noticed that the Samsung player didn't measure up to the quality he'd seen on the master recordings. Samsung rep Jim Sandusky, as quoted in TPV, backed up the story: "Samsung is currently working to revise the default settings on the noise-reduction circuit in the Genesis scaler chip to sharpen the picture. All future Samsung BD-P1000 production will have this revision, and we are working to develop a firmware update for existing product." I have a call in to Samsung for an official comment and will update this entry if necessary.

Of course, Sony and other backers of Blu-ray obviously have every reason to curb the growing perception that their format has inferior image quality to HD-DVD. With that in mind, I take this news with another healthy grain of salt and eagerly await the next Blu-ray players from Sony itself--as well as Pioneer and Panasonic--to see if they're indeed better performers than the BD-P1000. Early reports from UltimateAV and The Digital Bits indicate that the Pioneer, at least, produces a sharper picture than the Samsung. I still have doubts that Blu-ray will match the image quality of HD-DVD, at least with Sony titles, mainly because Sony is still using MPEG-2 encoding, which is inferior to the VC-1 encoding used by HD-DVD. Video expert Joe Kane has already voiced his concerns over Sony's choice of encoding formats.

We expect to receive Samsung's firmware update when and if it becomes available and will test it ourselves here at CNET, then update our BD-P1000 review accordingly. Speaking of updates, Toshiba has already issued a firmware update for its HD-A1 HD-DVD player, and we're in the process of updating our review of that unit, too. Isn't first-gen technology fun?




Yay unproven technology.

Umm... How is that actually anything to do with Blu-Ray itself though?

[MikePizzoff]

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[MinionZombie]

"faced raped" ... ROFLCOPTER ... lovin' it.

Ahhh...Halo deathmatch, used to play shedloads of that at uni with my housemates. I was the ultimate master after an initial rocky start, got to the point where I was winning every match bar the odd one when I wasn't concentrating ... or was really itchy (for some reason when my body realises I can't itch for a few minutes then it gets really itchy...weird).

I often "pwned" my housemates, but we never talked like that, it was always something more along the lines of " 'av that you f*ckin' wanker!" or "gutted out" or just indiscriminate grunts n growls.

[OddDNA]

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Zero WING!

Is there a Tshirt for that?

[MinionZombie]

411 y0u2 8453 423 8310n6 70 u5.

...the hell was that? :rockbrow:

Erm ... all your base are belong to us?

[MikePizzoff]

...the hell was that? :rockbrow:

Erm ... all your base are belong to us?

Yes. :clown:

[MinionZombie]

Sh*t, it really was?! lol ... I was actually just guessing as it was the only computery/geeky thing that sprung to mind, but f*ck! That's a turn up for the co-inky-dink books, eh? :eek:

[p2501]

Umm... How is that actually anything to do with Blu-Ray itself though?


it ties into the chip set and encoding errors the players have been experiencing. It's less the format title of blu-ray thats' the error, than it is the faulty supporting hardware.


Sh*t, it really was?! lol ... I was actually just guessing as it was the only computery/geeky thing that sprung to mind, but f*ck! That's a turn up for the co-inky-dink books, eh? :eek:



yep you nailed it. all yo base......

[Neil]

it ties into the chip set and encoding errors the players have been experiencing. It's less the format title of blu-ray thats' the error, than it is the faulty supporting hardware.


But the problem could just as well have been on HD-DVD? ie: It's nothing specific to the format, just the chips being used having a problem?

[p2501]

But the problem could just as well have been on HD-DVD? ie: It's nothing specific to the format, just the chips being used having a problem?

Oh easily, it's just HD DVD hasn't been having these probelms. i'm not sure how much of this forum you've been following, but i/we've been watching BluRay format and components due to their integration into the Playstation 3.

this time it's a chip set error in the players. two weeks back IBM's chip manufacturing division stated there are going to be component malfunctions with the chipsets in the PS3's that may/will burn out due to the processing capacity required to run games in Bluray formatting.

this article is basicly nothing that epic on it's own. the problem is correctable. but it's another drop in the bucket.

[Neil]

Isn't Blu-Ray the better format?

[Danny]

honestly, who really cares ?,i dont think we need a replacement for dvd, movies dont take up mutch space and i dont see the point in paying more , cus you know we'll have to, for a movie in a different format, since my 360 plays dvds thats what im sticking with for now.

[Andy]

honestly, who really cares ?,i dont think we need a replacement for dvd, movies dont take up mutch space and i dont see the point in paying more , cus you know we'll have to, for a movie in a different format, since my 360 plays dvds thats what im sticking with for now.
movies maybe not.. but whole TV series on 1 disk. take the simpsons for example, each yearly boxset is 4 or 5 DVD's... with BD-R that would be 1 disk, 1 disk = cheaper.

also DVD's have been the mainstream for about a decade already, they've had their time.. your saying exactly the same things people were saying 10 years ago about DVD's versus video's :p

also as for being "pwned".. i think not. ALL new formats have problems when they are first released.. its called development. dont you remember all the problems the very first DVD players suffered from? :moon:

[MinionZombie]

pfft, DVD has blates not been the "mainstream" for a decade. It really only kicked off around 2001 after a slow introduction to people. Sales figures show a major increase in sales after 2001. So for the past 5 years they've been rocketting up. 10 years my arse, which would be too short a time anyway, you splash out all this cash on a format only for it to be replaced quickly, it's retardation defined. :lol:

[Neil]

honestly, who really cares ?,i dont think we need a replacement for dvd, movies dont take up mutch space and i dont see the point in paying more , cus you know we'll have to, for a movie in a different format, since my 360 plays dvds thats what im sticking with for now.

Films in HD need more place (eg: 4x)... Simple as that!

Also, imagine having a DVD recorder at home to record your TV programs where each disk holds 40gig :)

[p2501]

Isn't Blu-Ray the better format?


not really. Blu-ray (i think) just offers more space on their discs due to the compression format. that's about it. Blu-ray and HD-DVD offer the same visual content and transfer speeds as far as i know.


movies maybe not.. but whole TV series on 1 disk. take the simpsons for example, each yearly boxset is 4 or 5 DVD's... with BD-R that would be 1 disk, 1 disk = cheaper.

also DVD's have been the mainstream for about a decade already, they've had their time.. your saying exactly the same things people were saying 10 years ago about DVD's versus video's :p

also as for being "pwned".. i think not. ALL new formats have problems when they are first released.. its called development. dont you remember all the problems the very first DVD players suffered from? :moon:


i'm skeptical about 1 disc in anyway equaling cheaper sets. but that's me.

as for DVD "having it's time" that's just bull****. i'll grant you the format has been out for a decade, but it in no way requires a full on replacement. it's just manufacturers further capitalizing on the HD movement, which is further bull****.

and yes new tech is always buggy. but Blu-ray is reaching a level where i'd say it's being plagued by problems because the tech has been rushed. short of the disc (which haven't been out all that long). nearly everything related to blu-ray has had some sort of error.


pfft, DVD has blates not been the "mainstream" for a decade. It really only kicked off around 2001 after a slow introduction to people. Sales figures show a major increase in sales after 2001. So for the past 5 years they've been rocketting up. 10 years my arse, which would be too short a time anyway, you splash out all this cash on a format only for it to be replaced quickly, it's retardation defined. :lol:


agreed. also, frankly HD has yet to really impress me. it's a lot of "wooo, ohhh look at my vibrant colors". yeah that's nice, but either the hard blacks turn a shade of sea water green. or the color bleed over looks like a 3-year-olds water color portfolio.

[MinionZombie]

Ewww, I hate it when black isn't shown as black on films, that muddy grey you get is crap. I like David Fincher's philosophy - the black areas of his frame should match the black bars of the widescreen.

Like all technology it'll be poo and a waste of time until after it's been refined.

[p2501]

Ewww, I hate it when black isn't shown as black on films, that muddy grey you get is crap. I like David Fincher's philosophy - the black areas of his frame should match the black bars of the widescreen.

Like all technology it'll be poo and a waste of time until after it's been refined.


i just hate the the HD TV sellers, try and dog and pony show you into accepting "that's the way black is supposed to look". it's crap. the monitor that my friggin Tandy 286 came with had better balcscaling than some of the $3,000 HD units.

i just don't see the point in dropping 1.5 to 3 grand on a unit that in 2 years will be bigger, more refined and signifignatly cheaper.

[MinionZombie]

Damn straight, there's no point in ponying up the dough at the beginning of a technology's time, it's stupid. It's like people that upgrade to the new Windows as soon as it comes out, you're only in for a world of hurt. Once something is the mainstream - then that's the time to switch over. It was the same with widescreen TVs, they're now the mainstream, but not that long ago they were level pegging and before that they were the new kids on the block, same deal with all this flat screen stuff (although are the likes of Plasma still dodgy? i.e. dead pixels, topping up the plasma etc?)

[p2501]

give it time. Vizio has been pumping out flat screens for a little while now and their quality is steadily improving and they're atleast $500 below the the big name units in the same size class.

with 12-18 montsh the prices will start to lower and stabilize.

[general tbag]

i just don't see the point in dropping 1.5 to 3 grand on a unit that in 2 years will be bigger, more refined and signifignatly cheaper.

but that the price for next gen technology, always has been always will be. your paying for the luxury of having the technology before it hits mainstream.some people buy into it, reguardless of cost. me i alwasy see them as guinea pigs myself, not gonna waste my cash on a first/second gen device, until all the bugs are worked out .

[Andy]

pfft, DVD has blates not been the "mainstream" for a decade. It really only kicked off around 2001 after a slow introduction to people. Sales figures show a major increase in sales after 2001. So for the past 5 years they've been rocketting up. 10 years my arse, which would be too short a time anyway, you splash out all this cash on a format only for it to be replaced quickly, it's retardation defined. :lol:

DVD has been considered the mainstream format since 1998/1999 actually.. its closer to 8-9 years than it is to 6.

video's have taken about 3 or 4 years after the introduction of mainstream DVD players to fizz out, and mainstream video's stopped being produced in 2003.

which is were i think your getting confused :p

you have to remember, video's didn't really catch on until the late 80's.. so its about a decade between video's and DVD's.. so the time frame is about right for the next format to come along.. about a decade :)

the first DVD's were actually around closer to 1995/96.. making them about a decade old. dont get me wrong, its going to take them 4 or 5 years to fizz out while the next format gathers steam, but they are on their way out :p

[Neil]

its going to take them 4 or 5 years to fizz out while the next format gathers steam, but they are on their way out :p

As "playable items" that will surely be a lot longer. There's no way people will be willing to replace all their old DVD's, so players will be required.

This could be by stand alone players like the existing ones, or more likely just the next-gen players will also be current DVD compatable for many many years...

[MinionZombie]

And yet it was only 2003 when DVD rentals topped VHS...:rockbrow:

DVD hitting the mainstream (as in "any old muppet") really was this side of the millennium - DVD sales, especially in the UK, show this. The folk who got them before 2000 either were tech types, had enough money, or were losers who jump from format to format not caring about the throwaway culture we're making worse. :(

[p2501]

OK, andy's been drinking or he's just quoting what happened in the UK.

I bought my first DVD home unit in 1999. which was right about when the $300-500 units started comming out. but even then the available DVD's were very limited. it was not mainstream in terms of people buying them in droves. 1999-2001-ish was the beinging of thier mass comsumption by the market in general. I worked for a Suncoast Video sales shop, during this timeframe. i can say first hand when DVD's started becoming more commonly purchased as opposed to VHS. think around late 2000 to 2001.

DVD didn't really take off untill the player prices dropped to around $100-200.

As for Blu-ray and HDDVD. Their sales are going to be lackluster past the 3-4year mark, unless their units will be able to play standard DVD's. I for the life of me cannot see people replacing their DVD collections with new DVDs' it just won't happen.


And yet it was only 2003 when DVD rentals topped VHS...:rockbrow:

DVD hitting the mainstream (as in "any old muppet") really was this side of the millennium - DVD sales, especially in the UK, show this. The folk who got them before 2000 either were tech types, had enough money, or were losers who jump from format to format not caring about the throwaway culture we're making worse. :(

your about dead on. I scored my first player during Xmas 1999, when the player prices dropped from $600+ to 300-500. i bought it at a target for $400. and even then the available DVD's weren't all that great. i think we ended up buying The matrix and Predator. everything else was just ass.

from 200-2001 was when it really stared taking off. DVD prices stabilized to what they are now. the player prices dropped alot, and more movies were being released on the format.

Alot of the Early adopters for DVD were Laserdisc fans that wanted to jump in on the format, while it was still a new thing and a niche format.

[MinionZombie]

And another bit of evidence - DVD extras/packaging. It wasn't until DVD had entered the mainstream that you started seeing "explosive two disc set - PACKED with features!" on all the adverts, and then special collector's editions and all that jazz. I can honestly say there wasn't much of that going around before 2001, it was really only taking off in a big, big way when I started uni (which was when I gave up and got into DVDs - thanks to a student loan) and even then they weren't as fancy as they are now.

As for HD/Blu-Gay players, they apparently WILL be backwards compatible (the laser will be able to digest both medias), because like you said, who in their right mind would replace all their existing DVDs with the slightly "better" version with the grey-blacks rather than blacks, lol. There'd be hell to pay as DVD has taken off 10 times faster (or more) than VHS did, but again, it's all part of global technology, which is much more advanced and fast these days than it was back when VHS came out.

Also, as part of our disposable culture, things are made cheaper much faster these days too, more disposable income (apparently, I certainly don't have any!) means more sales in everything.

The quickest that the new discs will take over DVD will be about 5 years I think, and then there'll be players that play both HD and normal DVD, whack a VHS deck in there and you're snorted. :cool:

[p2501]

It seems that the US DVD kicked off just a bit earlier than the UK. I worked for suncoast from 2000-2001. and right when i came into the company was when we started seeing more DVD untis shipped to the stores regularly, and thier sales picking up. we also started getting more of the super bonanza collectors editions as well. What really kicked it off, in terms of mass acceptance, was the release of TV show season on DVD. that's when DVD sales really went through the roof.

[general tbag]

if you wanna talk dvd going mainstream alot of credit can be given to the ps2. the ps2 without a doubt gave the dvd format a huge head start towards being accepted by the public. i think sony hoping for the same effect with the ps3 and blu-ray.

[bassman]

if you wanna talk dvd going mainstream alot of credit can be given to the ps2. the ps2 without a doubt gave the dvd format a huge head start towards being accepted by the public. i think sony hoping for the same effect with the ps3 and blu-ray.

:rockbrow: When was the PS2 released? I remember ALOT of people already had DVD players before the PS2 was released. That's the way I remember it, anyway...

[general tbag]

:rockbrow: When was the PS2 released? I remember ALOT of people already had DVD players before the PS2 was released. That's the way I remember it, anyway...

ps2 - North America on October 26, 2000

i rememeber it fondly as alot of people justified the cost with the dvd player/gaming system. at that time dvd players werent exactly cheap yet.

[p2501]

if you wanna talk dvd going mainstream alot of credit can be given to the ps2. the ps2 without a doubt gave the dvd format a huge head start towards being accepted by the public. i think sony hoping for the same effect with the ps3 and blu-ray.


right you are Ken!.

PS 2 then the Xbox, did alot to get DVD players into the home.

[KingStoph]

i wonder if there will be a ps4 .....

i read in Gamesmaster that some LOONIE FREAKS at Sony are looking at using BIO-TECHNOLOGY on the PS8!?

WTF!? THATS INSANE!!! :eek:

[Exatreides]

if only the dreamcast had one.. I would be playing my Sega "pwns your stupid nintendo system" all over again.

[general tbag]

if only the dreamcast had one.. I would be playing my Sega "pwns your stupid nintendo system" all over again.

yea really the dreamcast was good system, i wish more of the planned attachments came out like the dvd player and zip drive.

[MinionZombie]

Oh hell yes on the TV show front, that's what my family all gets for each other at Xmas, it's kinda funny, but it's such a good way to watch a TV show. You can do it when you want, watch as many in a row as you want and there's no adverts, it's great. Plus it lets you relive some of the classics they either don't broadcast or you've gotten out of synch with. I've got box sets of Futurama (all), Viva La Bam (all) and The A-Team (seasons 1 through 3 thus far).

[p2501]

they're such easy gifts. this year i'm filling in my fiancee's chrstmas pile with sets form Xena and ani-maniacs.

last year it was, 24, which is almost required to be viewed in a seasonal DVD format.

[MinionZombie]

Ah 24...

My sister had run out of things to watch on DVD and she was asking me about which TV boxset she should try out and she mentioned 24 (which she hadn't watched at all, but I'm an avid fan of) so I said go for it and she got the first boxset and was immediately hooked. Then she got the boxsets for 2 and 3 and I gave her a copy of 4 (downloaded TV rips ... will do the same for season 5).

Needless to say, it's an amazing show, one of these days I'll rewatch them all and having copies of the boxsets will really come in handy for that.

[general tbag]

interesting...... i never seen 24 ever, all i kno is that it stars kiefer sutherland and they wear the same clothes for whole season.

[p2501]

short of Galactica, it's one of the best shows on TV currently.

All hail the jack bauer power hour.

[bassman]

interesting...... i never seen 24 ever, all i kno is that it stars kiefer sutherland and they wear the same clothes for whole season.

:lol:

Yeah, I'm with ya on that one. Haven't seen one episode....

Not because I don't want to, but because TV sucks these days. Plus when I do watch TV, I would rather laugh than watch a guy run around for an hour...

[MinionZombie]

pfft, don't knock it till ye all try it. :D

24 is gripping TV, full stop, and of course they generally wear the same clothes all season - it's one day, story time. You don't change your clothes every hour of the day do you? lol. The only time they do change clothes is for special ops, or clothes get torn/bloodied/burnt or whatever.

24 is fantastic, very well made television.

[general tbag]

http://www.sci-tech-today.com/story.xhtml?story_id=02300000MCY3


Based on a new media research report that says neither the HD DVD nor its Blu-ray contender will deliver a "knock out" punch in the digital video ring, consumers may well think twice before upgrading their home theater system.

That's the conclusion drawn in a report by media researchers at The Screen Digest, which projects that both formats will coexist until some form of common ground is established, much like the current situation with recordable DVDs.

Opinions vary among industry watchers, some of whom argue that Blu-ray, backed by Sony and most of the major film studios, is in a better position to dominate.

"The net result of the format war and the publicity it has generated will be to dampen consumer appetite for the whole high definition disc category," said Ben Keen, Screen Digest chief analyst, in a statement.

Give and Take

The report notes that the success of DVD was based on the fact that it offered better quality and greater convenience than the VHS format it replaced. This time, though, both standards support similar features, and the differences are likely to confuse the average consumer.

For example, while the two formats look similar, a Blu-ray disc cannot be played on an HD DVD player and vice versa. And, Blu-ray discs hold up to 50 GB of content compared with HD DVD's 30 GB, Screen Digest notes.

What's not confusing is the price: each player is listing for as much as $1,500.

Edge to Blu-ray

"A battle between formats is not fought week by week; it is fought by lining up companies to support the format," said Forrester Research analyst Ted Schadler. "And the Blu-ray format continues to have much more support from manufacturers and studios than HD DVD."

The HD DVD format is backed by Toshiba, Microsoft, Universal, and others, while the Blu-ray format is backed by companies including Sony, Samsung, Phillips, Panasonic, Disney, and Twentieth Century Fox Studios, Warner Bros. and Paramount are backing both formats.

"It's time to put a stake in the ground regarding the future high-definition DVD format: Blu-Ray has won," Adrienne Downey, senior analyst at Semico Research, wrote in a company newsletter. "Walking around [the Consumer Electronic Show], it was obvious that much of the enthusiasm and momentum is on the Blu-Ray side."

"The support for HD DVD is minimal, in comparison. And Blu-ray has a technical advantage as well because it offers greater storage density," she said in a recent interview, noting that the Blu-Ray disc can scale up to 200 GB over time. "HD DVD can't match that scalability," said Downey.

All Just a Game

Sony has promised to provide Blu-Ray technology in its next-generation PlayStation 3 gaming console, which will give the format even more momentum, some analysts say.

Michael Goodman of Yankee Group said that Toshiba and its partners must be pleased, given that they were first out of the gate and that Microsoft will provide an HD DVD peripheral for the Xbox 360 gaming machine.

By 2010, Screen Digest believes that just under one-third of all spending on video discs in the U.S., Japan, and Europe will be generated by sales of high definition formats.


by the sounds off it regular dvds are going to be round for a long time still. or until hddvd/bluray hits that magic number of 99 bux and under.

[zombiegirl]

With the gaming industry still on the rise I think that the system who wins the console war will help settle the debate of hd or blue ray.
That said I have noticed a lot of anti sony posts in this section. It's true that the Xbox 360 is an awesome system and I do plan on purchasing one for myself if only for the dead rising game. However gamepro reported that sony ps2 is outselling the 360 by an average of over 50,000 units monthly without factoring in last december sales. If you use december the average jumps to over 150,000 monthly. That my friends is a hell of a lot of units. ( Info came from this months edition of gamepro, Page 25.)
How this will effect the PS3 sales who knows but I can say that I will most definitely be buying one a few months after it hits the shelves and any bugs have been worked out. Sony is my favorite platform and always has been since i bought my first ps1.
On a side note I am dying to see what the wii can do as well. ;)