Another reason to hate California... [Archive]

MinionZombie

20-Mar-2006, 10:37 AM

Smokers have the right to smoke - but non-smokers (majority) have the right to clean air. If smoking wasn't also passive I wouldn't care where it's being done, it's not like alcohol where the health effects only effect those participating. Smoking is bad, plain and simple, if you don't get cancer from it you'll definately live a shorter life, you'll stink of smoke, you're teeth will be yellow, same for your nails, your hair will go grey and wirey and you'll spend an extraordinary amount of money just to clog up your lungs with gunge and crap all over your lung capacity - turning you into a wheezy old geezer.

Smokers can smoke - but damnit I will not be forced to breath in someone else's smoke, no thanks. Go and have a proper designated zone/area - none of that invisible line crap you get in 'Little Chef'. It's one of the reasons I don't frequent pubs - the smoke - when I was out on New Year's just gone I came back with stinking hair, stinking clothes, stinking SKIN, my eyes hurt and my lungs were burning - great eh?

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I.D. Cards are a draconian law that threatens freedom - smoking is a choice and what about the right of a non-smoker to walk down the street and not be surrounded by smoke, to come back stinking with harsh lungs and throat?

Since when is standing at a bus stop, breathing shallow into my hand like a freak to avoid someone's smoke, 'freedom'? I should be able to stand at that same bus stop and not had to put up with smoke drifting all over me and into my lungs - and not have old fag ends sticking to my shoes.

My two, slightly firey, cents as a non-smoker.

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As per Adreno's comment on having some consideration - damn straight. You don't go walking down the street listening to heavy metal on your ipod, but blasting the music out through speakers so everyone can hear. In public, out of common respect and decency, you don't walk around dropping farts and epic belches. When in a library you talk quietly out of respect for other readers. At a cash machine, you leave a few paces between you and the guy at the machine itself - again out of respect. You don't invade someone's personal space by standing right in their face in general conversation.

Common sense and respect is abundant in society when you think about it...but there will always be some twat to f*ck it up for the rest of us...

tju1973

20-Mar-2006, 10:46 AM

Why stop there? I don't like red-- no one is allowed to wear red. It offends mine eyes..

My point is that the gradual erosion of freedoms is more prevalent than it seems.

Odd that the state that is pro "medical" marijuana is anti smoking...

:rockbrow:

MinionZombie

20-Mar-2006, 10:52 AM

1) Red won't give you cancer or damage your health
2) Medicinal marijuana is to relieve pain in patients who suffer chronic discomfort - to be used in their own home, not blowing it other's faces

Controlling smoking is finally representing the rights of non-smokers. I.D. Cards are a genuine erosion of freedom and human rights, locking someone up with no evidence until proven innocent is an erosion of human rights.

Smokers can go and smoke in their own home or in designated areas - like a smoking room/sheltered zone at work, or duck out back for a minute for a crafty one - a space made just for smokers. Non-smokers have not chosen to smoke - so why should we have to endure passive smoking in public areas? Why should I not be allowed to enjoy a swift couple of pints down the local without worrying about smoke?

Adrenochrome

20-Mar-2006, 12:01 PM

(The more I read Minion's "rants", the more I'm convinced he's the most rational of us here.)

I smoked for 20+ years and it just so happens, March is my two year mark of being tobacco free. (I quit those bitches COLD TURKEY!) The last thing I wasnt is to have someone sitting next to me at an outdoor cafe and smell their rancid smoke wafting over my area. I think that calling this new law a "gradual erosion of freedoms" is going a bit far, tju1973. It's not like there's some sort of government run "gestapo-like" military running through the streets assasinating you on site for lighting up. It is a case of "Majority Rule" (as Minion pointed out, non smokers are the majority). There are much more prevalent decisions the U.S. government makes that should get one riled up than this one.

MinionZombie

20-Mar-2006, 01:39 PM

hehe, yeh I am a keen ranter ain't I? Over the years I've honed my rants into generally rational arguments...back in the day I was quite bluntly reactionary, but now I'm very much about seeing things on both sides of the coin and discussing which side is best and why...hmmm...

And just a little thought I had on the subject - it's hardly an erosion of freedoms because our governments still need all the money they suck in from tobacco sales, so it's far from an erosion of freedoms. If it really was, you'd see the "Tabaco Gestapo" on the streets spanking people for smoking, lol.

bassman

20-Mar-2006, 01:46 PM

I agree that not everyone should have to put up with the smoke but....

I find it funny that a 19 year old girl is the one that got this done...

"Like, smoking is like, bad for you and stuff....and like, I don't want to like, smell it. It can like, destroy my lungs and like, make me like, die before I get my daddy to buy me a Porsche!":p

HLS

20-Mar-2006, 04:47 PM

off topic. But I wish weed was legalized!

p2501

20-Mar-2006, 05:00 PM

If more smokers were a little more considerate of others there wouldn't need to be this kind of "law".

bull****.

most places where you can smoke on the interior of the property are well noticed to be places where you can do so. It's not like your going to walk into an old navy and have to deal with the marlboro man. further more it's the businesses descision to determine if they want to host smokers, not the state's.

likewise the outdoor bans are pandering dip**** legislation in the first degree. My fiancee is allergic to ciggarette smoke, and even shean be within 20 feet of someone smoking and not be affected. so i don't what to hear some runny ****'s bull**** excuse of "it takes eight years off of your life" .

Adrenochrome

20-Mar-2006, 05:13 PM

bull****.

most places where you can smoke on the interior of the property are well noticed to be places where you can do so. It's not like your going to walk into an old navy and have to deal with the marlboro man. further more it's the businesses descision to determine if they want to host smokers, not the state's.

likewise the outdoor bans are pandering dip**** legislation in the first degree. My fiancee is allergic to ciggarette smoke, and even shean be within 20 feet of someone smoking and not be affected. so i don't what to hear some runny ****'s bull**** excuse of "it takes eight years off of your life" .

I wouldn't have a problem with smokers doing their thing outside IF they didn't litter their nasty butts all over the place. Quite frankly, I find that JUST as disgusting (maybe moreso) as smelling their nasty smoke when I pass them on the street.

p2501

20-Mar-2006, 06:02 PM

I wouldn't have a problem with smokers doing their thing outside IF they didn't litter their nasty butts all over the place. Quite frankly, I find that JUST as disgusting (maybe moreso) as smelling their nasty smoke when I pass them on the street.

as for the trash how is that different from littering on the whole? your just targeting a specific group because the trash is directly attributable to them. Likewise i hate people that eat fast food because their bags always end up on the side of the road. quick lets pass a law saying you can't eat fast off any where other than the restruant or at home. frankly, it's a non point.

as for the annoyance of smelly smokers.

i ****ing hate children. yet i have to deal with them everytime i'm in a pubic setting, can i get a law that dictates children can't be taken to public areas within certain time frames? hell no.

what about fat or dirty epole that smell. should i be able to hose them down with a can of Axe spray or restrict them to their homes because they're unplesant?

life is about dealing with those around you in a civilized manner. if some one is smoking and you don't like it, just move father away. if someone has a loud boom box you walk away. if someone has an annoying child, you just walk away.

people have this inconsiderate and bull**** mentality of "i'm more important than everyone arround me" and frankly most people simply aren't. so act like an adult and move on.

we all have larger issues to worry about.

Adrenochrome

20-Mar-2006, 06:09 PM

as for the trash how is that different from littering on the whole? your just targeting a specific group because the trash is directly attributable to them. Likewise i hate people that eat fast food because their bags always end up on the side of the road. quick lets pass a law saying you can't eat fast off any where other than the restruant or at home. frankly, it's a non point.

as for the annoyance of smelly smokers.

i ****ing hate children. yet i have to deal with them everytime i'm in a pubic setting, can i get a law that dictates children can't be taken to public areas within certain time frames? hell no.

what about fat or dirty epole that smell. should i be able to hose them down with a can of Axe spray or restrict them to their homes because they're unplesant?

life is about dealing with those around you in a civilized manner. if some one is smoking and you don't like it, just move father away. if someone has a loud boom box you walk away. if someone has an annoying child, you just walk away.

people have this inconsiderate and bull**** mentality of "i'm more important than everyone arround me" and frankly most people simply aren't. so act like an adult and move on.

we all have larger issues to worry about.

Non Smokers are the majority. Let's leave it at that.

p2501

20-Mar-2006, 06:34 PM

majority of what?

Adrenochrome

20-Mar-2006, 06:49 PM

majority of what?
oh come on!
First of all, do either one of us live in or near this TINY town (population 20,033) that passed this law? Hell, it probably started out as a commune 30 years ago. What's happening is, the media got hold of a story in a tiny little village and has BLOWN it out of proportion.

peace

DeadJonas190

21-Mar-2006, 05:52 AM

life is about dealing with those around you in a civilized manner. if some one is smoking and you don't like it, just move father away. if someone has a loud boom box you walk away. if someone has an annoying child, you just walk away.

First of all, why should I have to be inconvenianced by a smoker and move just because they want to blow their poisions into the air around me? Why is it that it's always the non-smoker that should be inconvenianced instead of the smoker? The roles get reversed and the smokers start getting ****y because they feel that they have the right to smoke wherever and whenever they so choose and f**k everybody else. Laws get passed that protect the non-smoker and make it so that smokers can only do it where it harms themselves, at home. I like it. I would move there just becauase of that law.

Well, now there are laws like this popping up all over the country, so take your advice and deal with it or move along to where you can still smoke in peace.

On a different note, the Dairy Queen I manage is a non-smoking establishment with posted no smoking signs on the doors. Last summer I had a guy walk in smoking away so I asked him to please put it out or finish it outside as we are a non-smoking establishment. This jerk tells me to "shut the F--k up" and then throws it down on the floor and steps it out slowly. I then asked him to leave because of that and he got all ****y about it at first, but then apologized and picked up his cigarette butt. Since he apologized I sold him his ice cream, but it still ****ed me off. You don't go into a family oriented busness and act like that... anyway I am ranting. I am done. I like this California city, after all, its not like they are banning smoking for no reason.

Arcades057

21-Mar-2006, 06:50 AM

A few points. First of all, the non-smokers take things a bit too far. I have never in my 12 or 13 years of smoking blown smoke in the direction of a family with children, or in the direction anyone eating, or anyone who does not smoke and might be close enough to be bothered by it. If I'm smoking a cigarette and someone is walking past me I will hold it down, usually behind my back, so the smoke does not bother them. I refuse to smoke at a restaurant, even if you can, and I will not EVER smoke around anyone eating. That's disgusting. If there is an ashtray or a garbage can near by I will put the butt into that rather than tossing it. If I'm driving, yes, it goes out the window and into the gutter, along with the other trash that's already lying there.

On the flipside, I have been harassed countless times by nonsmokers, including whole families who decided to jump on me for smoking outside of my store. I have been asked to move or put out my cigarette when I am the only person sitting outside on a bench and I am good enough to stand up to allow someone else to sit down. I am bombarded by old people and young alike for smoking, asked if I'd like to suck on their car's tailpipe, told I'm going to die before I'm thirty, threatened with the authorities. If I want to smoke a cigarette and it's raining, I have to go outside to do it, finding a way around the elements, and God forbid someone happens to be walking past me. I'm forced to listen to minutes worth of spiel from every idiotic high school and college liberal about the dangers of smoking, and when I remind them that smoking is my choice they throw back that should not have to have health problems over it.

Now I'm sorry, but to anyone who thinks smelling a waft of smoke will give you cancer, you are bloody crazy. Smelling a single waft of marijuana will not get you high; smell a single waft of a forest fire will not kill you; smelling a single waft of cigarette smoke will NOT GIVE YOU CANCER!!! They are simply protesting my smoking, and your smoking if you smoke, because they WANT TO. They enjoy controlling people. This law is one more way that petty, spineless, whiny, (insert profanity here) "people" try to control others.

I'm in the midst of quitting smoking for a third time now and guess what? The smell of smoke does not bother me. I sort of like it. I hate the smell of cinammon. Does that mean that I should try and make it illegal to wear that scent, or to promote that brand of air freshener? No, it means I will stay away from places that feature that scent.

Why don't those crying about smoking follow that same tact and stay away from place that feature smoking, rather than forcing legislation through a court system that fails at every thing that it does? Let the people speak, not just those sorry people who want to control you. If someone wants to light up in a bar (where you're probably sodded already) why should they not be allowed to? Stop trying to control people, California! For a state that supports all sorts of deviant lifestyles, you sure do take a harsh stance toward smokers.

DjfunkmasterG

21-Mar-2006, 11:49 AM

As a smoker... I find this law to strip away what little freedoms I have left. Also, most cafe's put smoking outdoors, and if smoking offends you go sit inside. The non smoker's ****ed and moaned until we were driven out into the cold, now they want that too. Non smokers are just a bunch of whiny babies who want to make the rest of the world miserable for smokers.

Granted smoke smells, but honestly you can wash your clothes, and take a bath if it bothers you that much. So to all the non smokers who applaud this law, you can go to hell! :elol:

Since my smoke offends you, your whining and incessant moaning offends me so therefore I will lobby for a law that all complainers be dragged out to main street and shot in the ass for being babies about it.

Lets really look at what is more unhealthy... Cigarette smoke or the black smoke spewing 18 wheelers and uncontrolled emissions from behicles 5 years or older. Even if everyone stopped smoking, the air would still kill you in California. between wild fires and smog you inhale 44 times more contaminated air than you would from 6 people smoking around you.

Quit your ****ing and moaning... Don't like my smoke go sit somewhere else.

Adrenochrome

21-Mar-2006, 12:40 PM

Hey, Arcades, maybe Big Daddy represents "smokers" and Kaufman.........LOL.....but seriously;

Again, this town has a population just over 20,000. I've been to concerts that hold more people. The news media has everybody throwing names and pointing fingers as if the Entire Planet has passed a law that will assasinate smokers on site. It's one tiny, itty bitty mountain village that made the headlines. Now, if it were Los Angeles, Dallas, Chicago or the City of New York....well, THEN I'd be worried about people's "rights".

Until then, to the media....I quote Howard Beale from the movie Network,

"We know the air is unfit to breathe and our food is unfit to eat, and we sit watching our TV's while some local newscaster tells us that today we had fifteen homicides and sixty-three violent crimes, as if that's the way it's supposed to be. We know things are bad - worse than bad. They're crazy. It's like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don't go out anymore. We sit in the house, and slowly the world we are living in is getting smaller, and all we say is, 'Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toaster and my TV and my steel-belted radials and I won't say anything. Just leave us alone.' Well, I'm not gonna leave you alone. I want you to get mad! I don't want you to protest. I don't want you to riot - I don't want you to write to your congressman because I wouldn't know what to tell you to write. I don't know what to do about the depression and the inflation and the Russians and the crime in the street. All I know is that first you've got to get mad.
[shouting] You've got to say, 'I'm a HUMAN BEING, Goddamnit! My life has VALUE!' So I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and yell, I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!'

p2501

21-Mar-2006, 01:19 PM

First of all, why should I have to be inconvenianced by a smoker and move just because they want to blow their poisions into the air around me? Why is it that it's always the non-smoker that should be inconvenianced instead of the smoker? The roles get reversed and the smokers start getting ****y because they feel that they have the right to smoke wherever and whenever they so choose and f**k everybody else. Laws get passed that protect the non-smoker and make it so that smokers can only do it where it harms themselves, at home. I like it. I would move there just becauase of that law.

Well, now there are laws like this popping up all over the country, so take your advice and deal with it or move along to where you can still smoke in peace.

On a different note, the Dairy Queen I manage is a non-smoking establishment with posted no smoking signs on the doors. Last summer I had a guy walk in smoking away so I asked him to please put it out or finish it outside as we are a non-smoking establishment. This jerk tells me to "shut the F--k up" and then throws it down on the floor and steps it out slowly. I then asked him to leave because of that and he got all ****y about it at first, but then apologized and picked up his cigarette butt. Since he apologized I sold him his ice cream, but it still ****ed me off. You don't go into a family oriented busness and act like that... anyway I am ranting. I am done. I like this California city, after all, its not like they are banning smoking for no reason.

the fasct he was a smoker is secondary to the fact he was an asshole.

frankly, i hope your not management at that dairy queen because you just set a ****ing moronic example for your employees.

the guy gives you lip after you ask him to comply with a posted store policy. he become beligerant, so you ask him to leave. after he fails to comply with that you sell him ice cream? just because he calms down WTF is that?

you have larger issues than just the fact the guy was smoking.

going back to your inital point. why should you be inconvienianced? simply put, because everyone on the planet does not need to curtail to your capricious whims. deal with it and move on.

i have to deal with fundamentalist christians protesting across the street from my offic every wendesday all summer long. i have to deal with thug lifer white kids when i go to the store, i have to deal with dip****s like you who over estimate thier overall importance and superority to every one arround them.

be i'm not going to be an elitist **** and ask these people to lay down and die simply because i don't agree with or like what they are doing.

Zombie-A-GoGo

21-Mar-2006, 01:50 PM

I quit smoking after 10 years of smoking. My father died of lung cancer, and I thought "Well, that's enough for me, thanks." This May will be my two year mark. I think that if you were once a smoker, you find yourself more senstitive to other peoples' smoke, and the fact is...it's really annoying. I hate just walking down the street and having to walk through someone's patch of floating smoke. Whenever I pass a smoker outside, I hold my breath until I think I've passed it. I didn't like the smell of it when I smoked, I sure as hell hate it now.

I think they fact that it's a harmful substance should be taken into account. If someone was forcing me to drink loads and loads of liquor and my liver went to ****...I'd be upset. When some maniac goes on a murderous rampage at the McDonald's and kill a bunch of fry eating innocents...well, I imagine those families are upset. If my mother develops lung cancer after 30 years of inhaling my father's second hand smoke, I'll be right ****ed. So, no. I don't want to be inhaling other peoples' smoke...especially after I made the decision to quit myself, which was no easy task. It's undermining the whole point of what I'm doing.

Speaking of this ****...these people moved downstairs from us, and they smoke SO MUCH, that it somehow infiltrates the floorboards and manages to find its way into our closet. And it's incredibly strong. So, all of my clothes smell like I still smoke, which REALLY ****es me off. What's worse, when spring comes around and it's nice out, and we want to get some FRESH AIR in the apartment, they are right outside our bedroom window smoking, because hey! Now it's nice enough to smoke outside! Yay! So, needless to say, it gets awfully hot in our room during the summer because the alternative is inhaling the massive amount of cigarette smoke that wafts in...

...talk about inconsiderate.

MinionZombie

21-Mar-2006, 03:57 PM

It's like here in Britain, one of our famous faces was ... ah crap, mind's gone blank - anyway, he was a musician and presented "Record Breakers" (among other things) and he died of lung cancer - yet he wasn't a smoker. How did he die from a smoking-related disease? Playing music in smoky bars and venues for years - great eh?

And smokers saying "go somewhere else" to us non-smokers, why should I have to go out of my way because of your choice? Smokers CHOSE to smoke - they should be the ones getting out of the majority's way, geez. Even if you don't blow smoke directly into a family's face, smoke has a life of it's own (hmm, an ironic statement I know) but it filters into the air and goes anywhere it pleases - all those 'invisible line' zone things you see in restaurants are retarded.

If I go out to the pub for a swift couple of beers I shouldn't have to wash my clothes and take a bath, I shouldn't have to put up with watery eyes and burning lungs and coughing all the next day. Smoking is a choice taken by a minority. Breathing is a necessity and on the purest, biological level, the human body does not like smoke.

As for all the fumes being pumped out by trucks - damn straight - but as the rail network is so f*cked then how do we continue to support our economy? How would goods get to the stores? Transportation is a necessity and one day we'll have clean(er) fuels - but smoking cigarettes is a complete and total choice, it's not at all necessary, you're getting nothing out of it, it becomes a habit by hooking you on a drug and you become dependent, then you end up with a massive hole in your wallet...and your general health.

Arcades057

21-Mar-2006, 05:26 PM

Adrenochrome

21-Mar-2006, 06:13 PM

Two days and only one cigarette between them both. This is the first time in years that I don't have a pack handy.

Screw California. Adrenochrome, right now it's just that one city, but now there's a precedent set. In a few months when they try to get the ban in LA or San Diego or San Fransicko, what then?

Remember, the holocaust began with a little bit here, a little bit there...

I seriously doubt it's going to reach such overly dramatic proportions. The U.S. government has been trying to control it's citizens since they stole this country from the Native Americans (which was pretty terroristic, if you ask me), why are you guys so suprised that ANY of this is going on? It's really nothing new. I doubt it will reach anything that could be compared to The Holocaust, tho.

p2501

21-Mar-2006, 07:05 PM

I seriously doubt it's going to reach such overly dramatic proportions. The U.S. government has been trying to control it's citizens since they stole this country from the Native Americans (which was pretty terroristic, if you ask me), why are you guys so suprised that ANY of this is going on? It's really nothing new. I doubt it will reach anything that could be compared to The Holocaust, tho.

actually there is a proposed ban on the table in front of city council in Philly. NJ already has active abns in a number of townships.

what's concening is what's next. strippers?, booze? video games? what the next slected group they can target?

Adrenochrome

21-Mar-2006, 07:10 PM

actually there is a proposed ban on the table in front of city council in Philly. NJ already has active abns in a number of townships.

what's concening is what's next. strippers?, booze? video games? what the next slected group they can target?
It seems to me that MORE people should be hitting the polls at voting time and remove these Christian Conservatives from their offices. They are the ones that have always had the control. You'd be amazed at how many people in this country Do NOT vote. I hear more people complaining about the government and their control than I do those in favor of what they're doing. So, looks like there needs to be a BIGGER voice, doesn't there?
Believe me, I'm not happy with their control either, and until the CC's are removed, it will always be this way.

Zombie-A-GoGo

21-Mar-2006, 08:30 PM

Agreed. So, everyone go vote in November. I'll be doing my part to get rid of Santorum. :D

p2501

22-Mar-2006, 01:39 PM

word on the santorum thing.

erisi236

22-Mar-2006, 02:21 PM

"Christans Conservitives" I thought this was a topic was about California, their kind isn't welcome around those parts. :D

DeadJonas190

23-Mar-2006, 04:53 AM

the fasct he was a smoker is secondary to the fact he was an asshole.

frankly, i hope your not management at that dairy queen because you just set a ****ing moronic example for your employees.

the guy gives you lip after you ask him to comply with a posted store policy. he become beligerant, so you ask him to leave. after he fails to comply with that you sell him ice cream? just because he calms down WTF is that?

you have larger issues than just the fact the guy was smoking.

Apologies go a long way, that is the only reason he was served, so how is accepting somebodys apology setting a moronic example? That is a moronic statement to make. I run my store very efficiently and am tolerant of the customers as they are ultimatly the people who pay me at the end of the week. That reason is why we consistently get repeat business. Accepting somebodys apology after they realize they were wrong and out of place is better business then becoming the jerk in the situation and losing that customer for life. Anyway that is off subject for this post.

going back to your inital point. why should you be inconvienianced? simply put, because everyone on the planet does not need to curtail to your capricious whims. deal with it and move on.

i have to deal with fundamentalist christians protesting across the street from my offic every wendesday all summer long. i have to deal with thug lifer white kids when i go to the store, i have to deal with dip****s like you who over estimate thier overall importance and superority to every one arround them.

I chose not to smoke as do most other people "on the planet" so why don't you deal with us not liking your smoke and move on. As for dealing with all those people, I dislike them also, but their beliefs and style or dress do not cause cancer "second hand" like smoke can, they do not cause you to wake up the next day with a sore throat just because you chose to hang out with some friends at a bar, and really, all they do is annoy you (as they annoy me). I never over estimated any importance or implied superority over anybody, so please, stop saying things about me when you know not what you say.

On a side note, I find it funny that when you reply to my posts on political issues, you just sling insults. If that is what you are going to continue to do, I will ask you to just ignore what I post if we disagree on the politics as I really don't want to sling the insults back. We are all friends here.

A few points. First of all, the non-smokers take things a bit too far. I have never in my 12 or 13 years of smoking blown smoke in the direction of a family with children, or in the direction anyone eating, or anyone who does not smoke and might be close enough to be bothered by it. If I'm smoking a cigarette and someone is walking past me I will hold it down, usually behind my back, so the smoke does not bother them. I refuse to smoke at a restaurant, even if you can, and I will not EVER smoke around anyone eating. That's disgusting. If there is an ashtray or a garbage can near by I will put the butt into that rather than tossing it.

You are considerate of others, thanks Arcades.

MinionZombie

23-Mar-2006, 09:58 AM

On the coughy/lung burny issue - I've been like that for the past four-ish days. Filmed a gig at a local pub on Friday, came back (with cloth ears) smelling of smoke and had burning lungs the following day and a cough for two days. Then after that cleared up I was in a pub again with a couple of guys from the Rural Media Company to chat and play pool. Again with the cough and hot lungs - I considered not going to avoid that, but it was good I did, I've got some possible work out of it. I've found every time I go to a pub with these guys I get another contact or some work out of it, lol.

Right now I've still got the cough from Tuesday's pub chat...just thought I'd add that in to your comment about similar experiences.

scoracrasia

23-Mar-2006, 06:37 PM

I just quit smoking last week after 21 years, and I feel so much better. I ended up getting COPD from it. Glad I quit. As far as rights for smokers andnon-smokers, I have not given it much thought. I was always courteous when I did smoke though. I kept away from people.

MinionZombie

23-Mar-2006, 09:55 PM

Forgive my ignorance, but what's COPD?

Andy

23-Mar-2006, 11:43 PM

i find it funny how smokers here, whinging that we non-smokers are a bunch of "whiners" are ommiting the small fact that apart from being a disgusting habit, they are killing those around them who choose not to smoke :rolleyes:

KrasnyOktyabr

24-Mar-2006, 01:07 AM

I smoked for a few years, mostly cigars, and I was pretty respectful of others. I never smoked indoors, even in the homes of other smokers, I did not feel comfortable doing so. I smoked in my car, with the windows down, and outside. I didn't mind stepping outside to light one up, especially if there were a few of us, made kind of a nice cancer causing social club. I've never blown smoke in anyones face, if someone didn't like my smoking all they had to do is ask and I'd put it out. If someone came up to me and got all mean and vindictive and whatnot I'd tell them to back off, but when people are polite and respectful I am too. Banning smoking in indoor public areas? Non-issue. I can see the point of it, and it doesn't bother me. The idea of banning smoking outdoors though, thats just asanine, it isn't like the air dillutes it or anything.