Why people hate LOTD

[MinionZombie]

*borat voice ON* high fiiiiiveee! I mean who doesn't love a fat Samoan guy talking about grand theft auto?

[bassman]

I mean who doesn't love a fat Samoan guy talking about grand theft auto? Yeah, he was pretty funny. The other two that Faufman sent are pretty much Banta fodder, but every flick has those.

[MinionZombie]

At least they had names, not like the blonde chick who's only there to get effed in the A, in Yawn04. One of my points for my 'post-millennial development of the horror genre' dissertation chapter on Yawn04.

[clanglee]

This was a post of mine from another thread, but I think it sums up my feelings on the soldier characters. Thought it would be rather appropriate on this thread. "I already voted for Big Daddy here, but my close second was Pilsbury. How the F#$k did that big fat samoan get away from the zombies in the first place? And please tell me what the F^*k he was doing there in the first place!? The only stupider (i know it's not a word) character was that bullfighter guy, carrying around his retarded little bullfighter cap. How gay is that!? Who thought THAT would be a neat character quirk!!? I cheered so loud when that idiot son of a transvestite whore got shot!! um. . . . . .oh my. . did i just go off on a rant? Terribly sorry. . ." As you can tell, I'm not a fan of Pilsbury.

[Mutineer]

Pssst. Hey. pssst. *taps on your shoulder from behind and whispers* Zombies are fiction to begin with. The point is that it needs to stay plausible within' the created world.

[panic]

Actually, the point is to: 1. Make a movie people watch and enjoy, 2. Make a film that you're happy with and tells the story you want to tell, 3. Hopefully make a movie that is financially successful so you can make your next film. The point is that it needs to stay plausible within' the created world.

[MinionZombie]

Actually, the point is to: 1. Make a movie people watch and enjoy, 2. Make a film that you're happy with and tells the story you want to tell, 3. Hopefully make a movie that is financially successful so you can make your next film. And GAR achieved all those with Land of the Dead. Also, within his universe, Big Daddy makes sense and is the next step in the zombie evolution. Heck, in Day of the Dead, Bub recognised shaving, a toothbrush, a book, listened to music, said "hello aunt Alicia/Elisha/however you spell it" on a phone, was a cock-in-the-mouth-shy (to quote Kevin Smith) of being full on flaming for Dr Logan, and then had a actually emotional scene (hey, it gives me the shivers anyway) when poor old Bub finds Logan dead in the freezer. Bub also ends up having a one-on-one feud with Rhodes and chases him down, shooting him several times before leaving him to the 'wolves' and sarcastically saluting him... And people bitch about Big Daddy? Geez...some people are fussy.

[Mutineer]

Actually, the point is to: 1. Make a movie people watch and enjoy, 2. Make a film that you're happy with and tells the story you want to tell, 3. Hopefully make a movie that is financially successful so you can make your next film. 2 out of 3 aint bad.

[Legion2213]

And GAR achieved all those with Land of the Dead. Also, within his universe, Big Daddy makes sense and is the next step in the zombie evolution. Heck, in Day of the Dead, Bub recognised shaving, a toothbrush, a book, listened to music, said "hello aunt Alicia/Elisha/however you spell it" on a phone, was a cock-in-the-mouth-shy (to quote Kevin Smith) of being full on flaming for Dr Logan, and then had a actually emotional scene (hey, it gives me the shivers anyway) when poor old Bub finds Logan dead in the freezer. Bub also ends up having a one-on-one feud with Rhodes and chases him down, shooting him several times before leaving him to the 'wolves' and sarcastically saluting him... And people bitch about Big Daddy? Geez...some people are fussy. Bub was taught those things by a smart human (over weeks/months) he didn't just start doing them of his own accord...that's how he developed.

[MinionZombie]

Nout to do with how the lessons were learned, I was merely pointing out the elements in the story, comparing it to Land ... and then being confused why some people get so bent out of shape over Biggy D. I like Biggy D, as I've said before. *high fives hellsing over mutual Biggy D respect ... knuckles*

[SRP76]

Nout to do with how the lessons were learned, I was merely pointing out the elements in the story, comparing it to Land ... and then being confused why some people get so bent out of shape over Biggy D. See, I never liked Bub (or the concept of Bub), in the first place. So a new "SuperBub" zombie wouldn't appeal to me.

[MinionZombie]

See, I never liked Bub (or the concept of Bub), in the first place. So a new "SuperBub" zombie wouldn't appeal to me. Well at least Sir, you're consistent.

[Trin]

I like Bub. I hate Big Daddy. Bub was plausible. He was trained over a period of time. His highest level actions were still simplistic and within the bounds of what he'd been shown and what he knew from his life. The emotions he displayed were likewise simplistic and commensurate with his level of development. And perhaps most importantly we never got the sense that the same thing couldn't have been done to any of the zombies. He wasn't really different. With Big Daddy we're expected to buy off that he was different, more evolved, more intelligent - more whatever. With no rationale behind it we're supposed to accept that he was just advanced. I have no problem with the zombies re-capturing higher level functionality after being left alone for years. But why just one zombie? And why was he soooo much more advanced? And why did his enlightenment come so suddenly? One day he's tending his gas station hearing a ding and wondering where the car is and by the next dawn he's teaching other zombies to use machine guns. I'd be happier with LOTD if all the zombies had evolved similarly. If they'd all started to show some emotions, skills, and remembered behaviors it would've been more plausible. And when the humans come and disrupt their "community" they are able to band together and rise above their limitations - that makes sense. I'd also be happier if the zombified Theodore Tugboat had escorted the zombie masses across the river using his remembered tugboat skills.

[clanglee]

Trin, I agree. My main problem was how BD was able to pass on his knowledge and control over himself to the other zombies. Also, IMHO, the actor sucked. He was WAY over the top. TOO much emotion. Way too much emotion for a zombie. I know, I know "Bub showed emotion" yadda yadda yadda. The actor who played Bub made me believe in his zombie plight. Bub showed only a little emotion, more like a little simple kid than an enraged linebacker. I dunno, Big Daddy just sucked.

[Danny]

I like Bub. I hate Big Daddy. Bub was plausible. He was trained over a period of time. His highest level actions were still simplistic and within the bounds of what he'd been shown and what he knew from his life. The emotions he displayed were likewise simplistic and commensurate with his level of development. And perhaps most importantly we never got the sense that the same thing couldn't have been done to any of the zombies. He wasn't really different. With Big Daddy we're expected to buy off that he was different, more evolved, more intelligent - more whatever. With no rationale behind it we're supposed to accept that he was just advanced. I have no problem with the zombies re-capturing higher level functionality after being left alone for years. But why just one zombie? And why was he soooo much more advanced? And why did his enlightenment come so suddenly? One day he's tending his gas station hearing a ding and wondering where the car is and by the next dawn he's teaching other zombies to use machine guns. I'd be happier with LOTD if all the zombies had evolved similarly. If they'd all started to show some emotions, skills, and remembered behaviors it would've been more plausible. And when the humans come and disrupt their "community" they are able to band together and rise above their limitations - that makes sense. I'd also be happier if the zombified Theodore Tugboat had escorted the zombie masses across the river using his remembered tugboat skills. well unlike day they werent jsut shambling, they were all remmbering, the couple walked hand in hand, the brass band ect. daddy just seemed to be gaining a little more cognitive ability than the others, but only a little i.e he just rmemebered that much more, and when he showed others the lightbulb clicked above them too, least thats my view, big daddy rocks - and with that im off to watch land again, screw y'all i love that movie.