How on earth is the father going to live with himself, and the 5yr old daughter?

[Khardis]

It's cheap because you're using your view that women are a weaker sex to undermime her safety and somehow strengthen the fact that you're a gun-lover. The chances of her being attacked are fairly slim and to use rape or abuse as a way to make her scared into owning or believing that guns are the right choice is ****ing WEAK dude. Not bothering with your tired rhetoric anymore. Go away. I am sorry that you feel that disarming females is better so that they're totally at the mercy to those around them. WHy are you so afraid of females arming themselves anyway? Physically women are weaker than men, its why they have things like women's self defense training here they teach women how to get away from.... men. This 'gun empowers you' argument is of course 'ideal scenario' stuff. In an ideal world, you pull your gun out on your assailant, and ride happily ever after off into the sunset. There's no issue that your gun is not easily to hand, or the fact the assailant is already armed and ready (they most likely have the advantage of surprise)... While it undoubtably can and does happen, I suspect there are just as many cases when the scales don't work in favour of the innocent victim. I suspect in many cases an assailant will find his position is far improved with a gun in his possession... So while gun ownership can tip the scales in one direction, it's just as likely to tip it the other way as well. So in conclusion - A women can try to run away from a man who does not have a gun... I'm yet to see a women who thinks she can outrun a bullet... Uhh Neil, criminals cant have guns in your neck of the woods, they're illegal remember? And when something is illegal its impossible for it to exist. And I just have to laugh at how weak you actually see women. You don't even think a woman is strong enough to pull out a pistol she trains with often and defend herself with it, of course you believe that she is just going to have it taken away right?

[Neil]

Uhh Neil, criminals cant have guns in your neck of the woods, they're illegal remember? And when something is illegal its impossible for it to exist. And I just have to laugh at how weak you actually see women. You don't even think a woman is strong enough to pull out a pistol she trains with often and defend herself with it, of course you believe that she is just going to have it taken away right? You were the one suggesting guns help women - I was simply suggesting maybe it is not such a black and white matter. Yes, a women may have a gun, but just maybe, the assailant can have one to, which most likely makes the women's situation even worse? Where have I suggested women are 'weak'? You're the one who painted a bleak picture for them? And I'm happy imaginary things make you laugh...

[SymphonicX]

I am sorry that you feel that disarming females is better so that they're totally at the mercy to those around them. WHy are you so afraid of females arming themselves anyway? Physically women are weaker than men, its why they have things like women's self defense training here they teach women how to get away from.... men. Oh give me a break. That's just plain spin and you know it. I'm not even going to dignify you with a response. You're the one claiming women are defenseless without weapons, not me. Grow up dude. You're displaying the mentality of a 12 year old and everyone can see it.

[horrormad]

All I can say Is that the father Is to blame.

[Neil]

All I can say Is that the father Is to blame. Absolutely... It will be interesting to see what the law ha to say on the matter. Unfortunate accident? Or punishable crime?

[SymphonicX]

Absolutely... It will be interesting to see what the law ha to say on the matter. Unfortunate accident? Or punishable crime? Severe neglect if you ask me...if the kid had fallen into a wood chipper, he'd be in jail, surely?

[Bub666]

All I can say Is that the father Is to blame. I agree.

[bassman]

because he was dumb enough to leave a gun around children, he's probably also dumb enough to blame it on the one child for shooting the other and feel as if he's not responsible...

[horrormad]

because he was dumb enough to leave a gun around children, he's probably also dumb enough to blame it on the one child for shooting the other and feel as if he's not responsible... Well what ever happens the father will have the guilt of killing his child forever.