7 marines, 1 navy corpsman to be charged with murder...

[Mike70]

in an incident involving an iraqi civilian from hamdaniya. this man was apparently being pressured into becoming an informant. when he refused he was taken from his house by 7 marines and a navy corpsman and allegedly murdered. his body was returned with an assault rifle and a shovel, apparently to try and make it look like he was an insurgent attempting to bury a roadside bomb. there are also allegations that the marines in question attempted to bribe his family in order to keep these allegations from reaching the proper marine authorities. just heard this on CNN. i'm sure there will be more info forthcoming. how many incidents of murder does this make now involving US forces in iraq? too many for me. way too many.

[dmbfanintn]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060621/..._iraq_shooting CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. - Seven Marines and a Navy corpsman were charged Wednesday with premeditated murder in the shooting death of an Iraqi man and could face the death penalty if convicted. All eight also were charged with kidnapping. Other charges include conspiracy, larceny and providing false official statements. Col. Stewart Navarre, chief of staff for Marine Corps Installations West, announced the charges at Camp Pendleton Marine Corps base, where the eight are being held in individual cells for 23 hours each day. The troops are members of the Pendleton-based 3rd Battallion, 5th Marines Regiment. It's possible some or all could face the death penalty, though Navarre said "it's far too early to speculate on that right now." Lt. Gen. John Sattler, the senior commander at Pendleton, will decide whether and how to proceed with preliminary hearings known in the military justice system as Article 32 proceedings. That in turn could lead to courts-martial for some or all of the men. All eight have hired private attorneys and also have been given military defense lawyers. Maj. Haythan Faraj, who represents Marine Cpl. Trent D. Thomas, said he has yet to see details from the investigation but claimed that at least some of the information provided by the troops was "was coerced out of them" by military investigators. The Pentagon began investigating shortly after an Iraqi man identified as Hashim Ibrahim Awad was killed April 26 in Hamdania, west of Baghdad. Navarre did not disclose details about the incident but a senior Pentagon official with direct knowledge of the investigation has said evidence indicates troops entered the town in search of an insurgent and, failing to find him, grabbed an unarmed man from his home and shot him. After the killing, the troops planted a shovel and an AK-47 rifle at the scene to make it appear the man was trying to plant an explosive device, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly. The larceny charge relates to the theft of an AK-47 and a shovel. Separately, the U.S. military in Iraq announced that murder charges were filed against a fourth Army soldier in the shooting deaths May 9 of three civilians who had been detained by U.S. troops. Spc. Juston R. Graber, 20, of the 101st Airborne Division was charged with one count of premeditated murder, one count of attempted premeditated murder, one count of conspiracy to commit murder, and making a false official statement. On Monday the military announced that three soldiers of the 101st Airborne Division had been charged with murder and other offenses in connection with the May 9 killings. It was not clear why charges against the fourth soldier were not announced until Wednesday. In addition to Thomas, those charged include Marine Sgt. Lawrence G. Hutchins III, Navy Hospital Corpsman 3rd Class Melson J. Bacos, Marine Lance Cpl. Tyler A. Jackson, Marine Pfc. John J. Jodka, Marine Lance Cpl. Jerry E. Shumate Jr., Marine Lance Cpl. Robert B. Pennington, and Marine Cpl. Marshall L. Magincalda. The case is separate from the alleged killing by other Marines of 24 Iraqi civilians at Haditha last November. A pair of investigations related to that case are still under way and no criminal charges have been filed. Together, the Hamdania and Haditha cases have generated international criticism of the U.S. and unfavorable publicity for the Marine Corps. Gen. Michael Hagee, the Marine commandant, recently visited Iraq to reinforce the importance of adhering to ethical standards.

[Mike70]

thanks dmbfanintn- that is more detailed info than i could gather from a CNN broadcast. i think if i have to hear one more inane "this is what happens in war" reply i'm gonna scream. people getting caught in cross-fire, bombs going awry, people accidentally stepping on landmines - these are unfortunate incidents that happen to civilians in war. the premediated murder of non-combatants is NOT something that happens in war but in purposed criminal thought. taking a man out of his house, murdering him, then attempting to cover it up are not things that just "unfortunately" happen in war. nice to see our tax dollars being put to such good use.

[mista_mo]

This is disgusting. and people wonder why some (insert sarcasm) of the Iraqi population aren't too fond of America and the American Prescence in Iraq. Oh and Scipio...it does happen in war...it shouldn't happen but it does.

[Danny]

i think its more than possible ,especially when you read up on the cold war and americas paranoia about everyone and anyone it doesnt surprise me theyd do dark shadowy stuff nowadays too.

[Mike70]

Oh and Scipio...it does happen in war...it shouldn't happen but it does. yeah i know it does. i meant people trying to defend actions like this using that arguement. the accidental death of civilians i understand. flat out murder i neither understand nor do i see how some folks can defend things such as this.

[Publius]

how many incidents of murder does this make now involving US forces in iraq? too many for me. way too many. I don't know the overall number, but I think it's surprisingly few, given the hundreds of thousands of people who have deployed over there over the past three plus years.