Terminator 2 (film) - 3D

[Neil]

I might give this a go actually. It's a nigh on perfect scifi flick, and such a perfectly scripted sequel to the first!

[JDP]

I might give this a go actually. It's a nigh on perfect scifi flick, and such a perfectly scripted sequel to the first! The "mercury" android was too difficult to swallow. It looked more like something out of a fantasy movie rather than a sci-fi movie. The first movie was more "realistic", it remains the best in the franchise.

[shootemindehead]

Agreed. I could never get with that liquid robot nonsense.

[Neil]

The "mercury" android was too difficult to swallow. It looked more like something out of a fantasy movie rather than a sci-fi movie. The first movie was more "realistic", it remains the best in the franchise. Agreed. I could never get with that liquid robot nonsense. Strange, I find it easier to believe micro/nano technology can create what appears to be liquid metal, than dead bodies rising up from the ground? ie: If I and to suggest one could happen...? And if that one request of some suspension of disbelief is all that is required to otherwise enjoy a bloody amazing solid sequel to the first? Too much to ask?

[EvilNed]

The liquid metal robot makes sense to me. It seems like the logical next step in technology.

[JDP]

Strange, I find it easier to believe micro/nano technology can create what appears to be liquid metal, than dead bodies rising up from the ground? ie: If I and to suggest one could happen...? And if that one request of some suspension of disbelief is all that is required to otherwise enjoy a bloody amazing solid sequel to the first? Too much to ask? Building a machine that does what was shown in that movie (viz: morphing into virtually any shape without losing its CPU, circuitry, data/memory-banks, etc.) would be practically impossible, at least certainly not possible at around the point in time that the first Terminator came from. The technology shown in the first movie is way more realistic and believable, it would not surprise me if mankind in fact one day manages to build androids similar to those of the first movie at some point in the future. - - - Updated - - - The liquid metal robot makes sense to me. It seems like the logical next step in technology. The problem is that this was not "the logical next step in technology" but a humongous, gigantic leap in technology that it just is too difficult to believe. It does not look like anything we could actually build. We are talking about a technology that to us is totally alien, unlike the technology of the first Terminator, which is very easy and logical to see as the progression of our current robotics and computers. The machines took over and continued to develop OUR technology, not that of some alien civilization that no one had ever seen before.

[shootemindehead]

Yeh, what he said /\ The problem is the silly morphing into anything it wished. Nano tech is fine and all that, but there has to be a line drawn somewhere. The film just crosses into absurdity too often. It's also noisy, irritating and it makes me miss the gritty nature of the first one.

[MinionZombie]

The liquid metal robot makes sense to me. It seems like the logical next step in technology. Aye, I really don't see a problem with the T-1000 at all. As for morphing into other things - it just resembles other people and samples their voices (perhaps even has some kind of DNA reader capability when it kills someone). It's copying them and analysing their voice, that's it - but you can also see the limits of the technology (e.g. the dog name trick - "Wolfie" rather than "Max", the gun getting stuck in the bars, the freeze/melt climax causing serious damage and corrupting it). I can't understand how it's too 'out-there' (in a sci-fi movie, no less! ). I love T2. I don't find it noisy or anything, in fact I feel it's like a symphony of sorts. The editing - visual and aural - is so pin sharp that action scenes play out like a piece of music. The edits are precise and the sound effects are spot on to provide maximum impact and pace, and not once does it become an incomprehensible blur like all these Transformers-type movies we get these days. As for T2 in 3D ... come on JC, give it up, 3D's a gimmick. I know he does it best, but it's still a gimmick as a piece of technology. He did it well with Avatar (which benefitted from the novelty factor, and it being most people's introduction to the technology), but it quickly became pointless or poorly executed afterwards. The only film that used it well was Jackass 3D.

[EvilNed]

The problem is that this was not "the logical next step in technology" but a humongous, gigantic leap in technology that it just is too difficult to believe. It does not look like anything we could actually build. We are talking about a technology that to us is totally alien, unlike the technology of the first Terminator, which is very easy and logical to see as the progression of our current robotics and computers. The machines took over and continued to develop OUR technology, not that of some alien civilization that no one had ever seen before. I don't see this as ridiculous at all. In fact, as I said, seems like the logical next step. It's not at all a gigantic leap - especially not for an AI which could calculate and develop ideas much MUCH faster than we could.

[JDP]

Aye, I really don't see a problem with the T-1000 at all. As for morphing into other things - it just resembles other people and samples their voices (perhaps even has some kind of DNA reader capability when it kills someone). It's copying them and analysing their voice, that's it - but you can also see the limits of the technology (e.g. the dog name trick - "Wolfie" rather than "Max", the gun getting stuck in the bars, the freeze/melt climax causing serious damage and corrupting it). I can't understand how it's too 'out-there' (in a sci-fi movie, no less! ) You just mentioned many of the things that are wrong with it yourself. Building a machine that can do such things, specially at the time period involved, it's just too implausible to be believable. And it is not just humans this thing can morph into and perfectly mimic. The thing can even spread out its mass so thinly across a surface that it can imitate the very floor you walk on and you don't notice a thing! Nanotechnology or not, the things we saw that android do just went overboard. It's things that would be more at home in a fantasy movie (where "magical" elements are allowed and you can more easily accept such "weird" things since no explanations of any kind are required as to how the seemingly "impossible" can work) than a sci-fi movie. - - - Updated - - - I don't see this as ridiculous at all. In fact, as I said, seems like the logical next step. It's not at all a gigantic leap - especially not for an AI which could calculate and develop ideas much MUCH faster than we could. But it hardly is "the logical next step". If it was, our own computer and robotics engineers would already be contemplating the possibility of building such a far-fetched thing. They are not. However, the possibility of building robots/androids very similar to the ones in the first Terminator is quite likely to happen. I don't think any computer/robotics engineer would question it.

[EvilNed]

But it hardly is "the logical next step". If it was, our own computer and robotics engineers would already be contemplating the possibility of building such a far-fetched thing. They are not. However, the possibility of building robots/androids very similar to the ones in the first Terminator is quite likely to happen. I don't think any computer/robotics engineer would question it. This is simply not true. Nanotechnology is widely discussed and researched today.

[JDP]

This is simply not true. Nanotechnology is widely discussed and researched today. Nanotechnology can't do what the liquid android in the second movie did. But robotics and computers as we know them today are heading to similar levels as the machines we saw in the first movie.

[MinionZombie]

Nanotechnology can't do what the liquid android in the second movie did. But robotics and computers as we know them today are heading to similar levels as the machines we saw in the first movie. Films with fictional narratives can proffer a world that is different to our own in numerous ways - technological advancements included.

[shootemindehead]

Films with fictional narratives can proffer a world that is different to our own in numerous ways - technological advancements included. True. But sometimes they cross a line and destroy their own world. While 'Terminator 2' is an ok, knockabout sequel to 'The Terminator' and both films are pure fantasy, T2's antagonist performs feats that are just plain silly and do a lot to draw the viewer out of the experience. Too often, it was simply a case of having a fancy graphic morph into something on the screen. I can believe in the T-800. The T-1000 is ridiculous.

[EvilNed]

Nanotechnology can't do what the liquid android in the second movie did. But robotics and computers as we know them today are heading to similar levels as the machines we saw in the first movie. Nanotechnology works on the atomic or subatomic level. It absolutely can do what the android in the second movie does! It's a sci-fi film about a self-aware AI that can calculate things at an unprecedented speed at which we can only imagine and speculate. There's no way you can say "this is unrealistic within this timeframe" because an AI could develop ideas at a speed much faster than ours. Much, much faster.