 Originally Posted by Eyebiter
p2501 - ask firearms owners in the UK, Australia, or Canada. First it's registration, then it's banning handguns and assault rifles, then it's everything else.
Sure the NRA is a fundraising organization. Then again they spend a good amount of money lobbying politicians and supporting the shooting industry in general. If the annual fee bothers you, it's possible to get a NRA life membership for less than the regular $750 price if you look around on the net. They frequently run deals - example a few weeks ago you could sign up a minor for a life membership for only $250.
No no no, sorry. i mean an nationalized data base of all class A fellons. the people that are for life prohibited from owning a firearm. not firearms owners, ****ing hell, that'd eb a defnitive step towards armed conflict.
as for the NRA, no i resigned my membership after they backed Bush in the last election. it was a cop out and a terribly poor one. Bush did nothing to assist the assualt weapons ban expring, and if i recall correctly even stated he would sign it back into law if it were floated to his desk.
so after that, i just don't feel the need to support them. as for the cost it was no biggie, i bought my lifetime membership back when they ran around $400.
Originally Posted by Exatreides
http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/.../firearms.html
"some of the locations boast more murders than suicides and vice-versa. (About 18,000 out of 31,000 people who commit suicide in the U.S. every year do so by gun.) "
[I] this is largely irrelevant. people want to commit suicide will find a way to do it. guns just present a fast and painless (seemingly) way to go about it. personaly, if i person is going to kill themselves, and it is unavoidable, i prefer they atleast not suffer while doing it.[/I]
http://www.harvardmagazine.com/on-line/090433.html
"The only thing that jumps out is lethal violence," Hemenway says. Violence, pace H. Rap Brown, is not "as American as cherry pie," but American violence does tend to end in death. The reason, plain and simple, is guns. We own more guns per capita than any other high-income country—maybe even more than one gun for every man, woman, and child in the country. A 1994 survey numbered the U.S. gun supply at more than 200 million in a population then numbered at 262 million, and currently about 35 percent of American households have guns. "
that's contrdictory. the quote indicates it's possible that there is currently more than one gun per person within the country. but the numbers in the next sentence fail to capture that level of saturation. 262m guns for a populous of 200m? that's a ratio of 1 gun for every 1.3 people. further and it gets worse when the last sentence quotes that those 200m guns are held by 35% of US house holds. this data is largely static, and totaly inconclusive.
"The ways in which people die by guns would not make a good television cop show. Rarely does a suburban homeowner beat a burglar to the draw in his living room at 3 a.m. Few urban pedestrians thwart a mugger by brandishing a pistol. "We have done four surveys on self-defense gun use," Hemenway says. "And one thing we know for sure is that there's a lot more criminal gun use than self-defense gun use. And even when people say they pulled their gun in 'self-defense,' it usually turns out that there was just an escalating argument—at some point, people feel afraid and draw guns."
while i'm skeptical of this data, and how it was gathered.
these conditions are due in part to a couple of things.
1) most gun crimes occur in areas with poor social services, due to that many victims are denied medical care following a shooting. this delay in care allows post shooting conditions to further onset and the vitcims health to deteriote
2) Some casual gun owners fail to take the time to acclimate to owning a weapon and even to bother training with the weapon. a gun is alot like a paint brush you do not simply pick one up and become an artist, nor can you just buy a gun and turn into Chow Yun-Fat
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UN Control of the United States? That ironic, being the US hosts the UN in New York on American Soil, and provides a large majority of funding for it.
True, but that hardly makes us their lapdog. the UN has issued requests on everything form Guantonamo bay to the Isrealies. and we routinely shrug them off.
You don't need a FN P90 with full auto 50 round magazine of 5.57 mm, shooting at 900 rounds a minute for hunting. You don't need weapons like that for anything. ANYTHING. That is unless you plan on a military coup deta, and if thats the case I Think you have a few other things to worry about.
deteroate
Keep small caliber handguns and hunting rifles everything else has no reason to stay.
I actually want a p-90, the 5.57 cartridge is pretty damn interesting, and it's force dump on impact is staggering. but the weapon is classified as a military grade firearm. so for all reasonable intents and purposes i cannot own one. having said that if i want to go through the trouble and cost with the ATF to obtain a class three permit to purchase weapons, i suppose i could do so.
but even if i could aquire one, it's not the kind of weapon you hunt with for any number of reasons. it's something you collect, because you can.
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