UK semi fighting back against Muslim panty twists.

[capncnut]

Since were talking about race a funny thing happened yesterday, i brought my canon mv900 in to college to film some stuff in the woods nearby and im walking around with some freinds, one of which is english but his family is from india so he is wearing a turban and just for that some asshole chavs and kappa slappers yelled "oy o-sama get back to iraq you terrorist *insert n word here*". being from an indian family in england he's cool with it and tells us to ignore it, but the rest of us, 3 white guys a chinese guy and an caribean guy were all basically "hell no, **** that!", then i get the idea to whip out the camcorder, we approach these guys and when they see the camera you literally saw the colour drain from the burberry capped faces. we said "excuse me would you care to reiterate what you were saying to our freind a moment ago?", to which they replied "shu-op, wes gonna break that fing if youns get it near us", to which we said "well were here now and thats on film (it wasnt filming) , would you care to explain how you thought it was okay to say that you racist ****s?", to which they slumped off towards amccy-ds in a sulk. Oh yeah, that's what I like to read Hells! I too have been on the defensive recently about racism. I have a few racist 'friends'; football hooligan, beer drinking, wife slapping, s**theads who wont stop using the word n**ger whenever a black actor/musician appears on tv. "They smell like this, they talk like that" etc. Man, it bugs me! Whenever I speak out in defense I get the whole "n**ger lover" jest, that is until I threaten to punch their lights outs! Then a couple of months ago at work, a new guy started. The HARDEST motherf**ker you have ever seen in your life (polite as a Care Bear), 100% pure Caribbean muscle. I started inviting the guy round to mine for doobie snacks (warned the guy beforehand), did my 'friends' say a goddamn word? Hell no! They sat there silently toking away and looking sketchy. In fact, half of these a**holes haven't been round since. My point? Cowardice - nothing more, nothing less.

[Khardis]

Oh yeah, that's what I like to read Hells! I too have been on the defensive recently about racism. I have a few racist 'friends'; football hooligan, beer drinking, wife slapping, s**theads who who wont stop using the word n**ger whenever a black actor/musician appears on tv. "They smell like this, they talk like that" etc. Man, it bugs me! Whenever I speak out in defense I get the whole "n**ger lover" jest, that is until I threaten to punch their lights outs! Then a couple of months ago at work, a new guy started. The HARDEST motherf**ker you have ever seen in your life (polite as a Care Bear), 100% pure Carribean muscle. I started inviting the guy round to mine for doobie snacks (warned the guy beforehand), did my 'friends' say a goddamn word? Hell no! They sat there silently toking away, and looking sketchy. In fact, half of these **holes haven't been round since. My point? Cowardice - nothing more, nothing less. Probably now cowardice, maybe just them being polite. People will say mean **** in private but then clam up about it in the presence of said people. Not because theyre always cowards but because they dont want to hurt anyones feelings on purpose. I know guys like this too.

[Danny]

(polite as a Care Bear), 100% pure Caribbean muscle. k, little creepy

[capncnut]

When I phrase it like that, it does sound creepy. Hehe.

[_liam_]

MZ it's not all tony blairs fault, do thy homework. tony has made a few bad moves, ok so iraq was a fairly big one, but it's not like the tories didn't send everyone to iraq at the beginning of the last decade. it was to defend the oil then, and almost nobody got the knickers in a twist, and nobody brings it up now. saddam tried to screw over kuwait, which used to be a part of iraq but the british empire helped it to become independant, due to the vast amount of oil there. ever since then we step in to defend it. so they sent people to die for oil, and no bones are made about it. but tony blair is demonised after it is merely *suggested* by the media that it might have been over oil. plus don't forget the falklands - the hell was that all about. neither were necessary, and yet the tories are all like "well we wouldnt have gone to iraq" yeah cause it's probably lost its novelty value. vote them in, i dare thee

[MinionZombie]

Wasn't really talking about the Iraq situation at all here, we're talking veils and then I was talking about education and the lack thereof breeding racist wankers like Hellsing described - education was Labour's "key" interest to improve - when all they've done is f*ck it up completely (paying kids to go to school isn't progress, that's bribery for a disaffected youth whose education has been botched). Labour's answer to everything is to throw money at it, no matter what it is, throw any amount of money at it and then run away and hide behind a tree until it blows over ... then release a well-trained statement which completely avoids any and all questions ... then come up with some bizarre piece of legislation to cover anything from (to them) "distasteful porn" to a little black box in your car to track exactly where you go at all times ... said headline grabbing wastes of time go in the papers for a few days to keep them from gawking over some f*ck up they've made, then they repeat the cycle all over again. And once they've ran out of money from throwing it willy nilly at all their problems, they find themselves in desperate times and come up with any scheme possible to tax the British public who voted them in in the first place, to continue said willy nilly money dumping. Tony Blair is the poor bastard acting as the face of Labour, he's a smarmy wanker but he's not the worst politician by far - it's those greasy-gutted living Spitting Image charicatures that surround him who cause all the damage, particularly Darth Brown ... Can you tell I'm very much anti-Labour yet?

[Danny]

damn straight mz i couldnt agree more, labour aint getting my vote. ....if i do that is. and yes this thread was about the current situation about muslim women wearing veils NOT another pro or anti labour thread and it WAS over oil plain and simple so just get back on track people this is about the 4th thread this liam guys popped up in just to cause an argument. iraq is not the subject of this thread, leave it outside.

[_liam_]

chiggity check yourself sonny, i'm not trying to stir up trouble - flaming up 4 topics is a wee exaggeration there! ive got less than 20 posts, view my history, i'm a nice man!, this is the only spirited discussion thus far!, anyways i wouldnt say were arguing, me and MZ have talked bollocks online for years, just cause we dont agree doesn't make it uncivil! i didn't hijack this topic either, MZ ragged on new labour (he started it!), and i followed his criticism. i realise my opinions may be at odds with most people on this board's, but that's no reason to villainise me, my comments about the tories weren't that inflammatory were they?! anyhoo, i didn't think i was being uncivil or impolite but i'll pipe down if i'm a bit confrontational for your taste. anyway sorry to sod off for however many years and then come back and cause a fight, didn't mean to, and the iraq thing was OT. but getting back on topic... on the issue of muslim veils posing a security threat in as much as a veiled criminal suspect would be difficult to identify, i have to disagree here, how many muslim housewives rob banks and deal drugs? not many. so let's say a veiled muslim robbed a bank. so someone wearing a full body garment making a getaway from a crime scene is gonna be hard to trace? not that many people wear veils anyway, so they may as well be dressed as spiderman as far as being conspicuous is concerned. i realise this is over simplifying the issue, but then so is saying veiled people can get away with crime - we have other methods of apprehending criminals aside from facial verification, or at least i like to think we do! again if im totally wrong, show me the way...

[deadpunk]

((4 posts already liam? You always were a busy guy )) I don't recall the issue really being whether or not it was a security risk. The issue at hand was whether or not it interferred with the students' learning. And, I'd say that it certainly does. Here, in America, dresscodes have become very strict for students. My 6 year old sports a mohawk, yet the school has informed me that if it is spiked higher than 3 inches, that it will be qualified as a 'distraction' to other students and he will be in violation of school dresscodes. So, I say: whats good for the goose is good for the gander. A teacher's personal appearance should in no way be allowed to distract from a pupil's learning. And, MZ is correct, IMHO. In Western society, we do rely upon facial features/gestures not only as a means of identification, but as a form of communication. While immigrants should be given the rights to continue practicing their 'heritage' and 'beliefs', by BEING an immigrant, they should assume that certain changes will be placed upon them. If she feels that strongly about the veil, let her return to a country where this is the established norm. Otherwise, adopt the practices of your new home and move on. Sigh...people of Middle eastern descent will be playing the 'race card' for years to come now.

[_liam_]

mm. it would affect her role as a teacher, there's no question of that. i guess my problem is i'm an optimistic rationaliser (or a head in the clouds hippy idealist). it's just a shame to class any immigrants of any kind incompatible with our society - we lose that juicy net gain

[MinionZombie]

Well I was ragging more on the gubment in general, and more specifically ragging on the state this country has gotten into, in general. Didn't even think of the Iraq situation as it wasn't connected. As for veils - they can be abused. A terrorist could wear one, heck, anybody could wear one with the eye shield thingy stuck on as well. A veil makes CCTV useless, and tracing them doesn't have to involve an obvious getaway situation, it could involve a lot of CCTV work, and in an area with a lot of veils - that's a tricky situation. I personally would prefer to see their faces, it's respect for us and our society, culture and country - like our women would have to cover up in their homeland. I couldn't possibly imagine being able to have an effective education, or an effective meeting etc with someone wearing a veil - to me that's just a talking sheet. I personally (as I'm sure many more people do) look at someone's lips when they're talking, not eyes - and of course, look at the whole face. I feel "let in" and can guage someone completely by their face. How are people able to effectively interact if you can't do that? You've also gotta think about the undereducated morons or even just the sort of person who has grown up in such an atmosphere (but isn't like that themself, necessarily) - it's a divisive symbol. Whether in an aggressive or passive manner, it denotes a separation. That separation leads to further problems... I could go on, but we'd be beating a dead horse ... where's Dj when you need him?

[Dtothe3]

I have a Muslim friend of mine who does wear the half-veil (don't know the name). I can safely say she is as normal as anyone else I know, or maybe not (she watches wrestling). The simple point i'm trying to make is remember never to tar everyone with the same brush. Whilst I can understand the reasoning behind suggesting the full veil could be hiding a terrorist weapon, the simple fact is we won't know unless we search every single person in that dress. The more literal point is that unless our security services get there first, getting them to change their dress will not stop a person carrying a bomb into a crowded area and detonating it. The full garg is outdated and clearly a throwback to women=possessions. But that does not mean we can simply say "remove it". We need to integrate our communities. Our youths are just as unaccepting of outsiders as they are. Many of our older generation worked for years to achieve a fairly measly pension and see people come here and get anything on a plate. A balance needs to be achieved and both sides need to be brought to the table with the intention of co-operating, not of scoring brownie points.

[capncnut]

Here, in America, dresscodes have become very strict for students. My 6 year old sports a mohawk, yet the school has informed me that if it is spiked higher than 3 inches, that it will be qualified as a 'distraction' to other students and he will be in violation of school dresscodes. Not meaning to detour from the thread but WTF!!!

[MinionZombie]

lol, in my high school you weren't allowed to dye your hair or wear more than one ring (guys couldn't wear ANY rings) and likewise wear sensible ear-rings. There was a big fuss over the "slim jim" style of doing your school tie (the school gave up after failing to keep up with their Nazistic threat to search every pupil's tie at any given moment) - meanwhile soldering holes into it in electronics class became fashionable and went un-noticed. There was also a half-assed attempt to ban those wide Head bags (I had two of those, used to club year 7 wankers around the head in the corridors with it - you know, the little bastards who had no respect for you even though you were a Sixth Former). All those were considered "distractions", but they seemed to distract teachers away from teaching more than they distracted any pupil, ha!

[Khardis]

More reasons to: A: end public schools or reform them B: require uniforms.