ZOMG, Dee Amish have gunz0rs!!!!/You Have To Be F****** Kidding Me!

[Exatreides]

Then Talk to them, and make sure other parents talk to other kids. Any person that commits these type of actions is mentaly damaged, and if you can identify them before something like that, I think it would be a hell of a lot better then putting 20 cops in a class room and trying to intimidate a mentaly messed up teenager

[Adrenochrome]

MORE GUNS IN PRPER HANDS! Guns are already coming into the schools. why would anyone be again liason officers? This generation of kids are screwed up more than others, when my kids get to HS age I want them to be safe. Putting armed officers in school-rooms will inevitably cause more senseless violence. Hell, a kid can grab a gun on any city corner cheaper than he/she can buy crack. Some book-head or Jock gets pissed, buys a gun, rebels (not thinking clearly due to anger) gets shot by one of your liason officers and next thing you know, there are MORE victims (family & friends of both officer and irrational bratty kid that thinks a gun makes him King ToughGuy)... Guns are not the answer. I'm not "anti-gun", I own several, but I don't think you should use them on punks that get pissed at the world because Judy wont go to the dance with him (or whatever). Education and communication is a better way. That's why these kids are turning out to be the little monsters they are.....a lack of communication and education. Then Talk to them, and make sure other parents talk to other kids. Any person that commits these type of actions is mentaly damaged, and if you can identify them before something like that, I think it would be a hell of a lot better then putting 20 cops in a class room and trying to intimidate a mentaly messed up teenager BINGO!!!

[Tied2thetracks]

last I checked you needed to be 18 buy a gun and there was a3 day waiting period. If you are pissed after 3 days chances are nothing will prevent you from doing whats in your head.

[Adrenochrome]

last I checked you needed to be 18 buy a gun and there was a3 day waiting period. If you are pissed after 3 days chances are nothing will prevent you from doing whats in your head. The last gun I bought was in Memphis, Tn (a little .380) and the waiting time was about 30 minutes..... they did the background check right there - All I needed was photo ID (DL) and soc. card.... this was a few years ago. If the laws have changed again, I don't know. (I know in Mississippi you can get them same day as well. or could) But, guns can be bought on the street by thugs that sell stolen guns. A kid can get pissed, buy a gun, and head back to shool within an hour if they know where to go and who to deal with.

[Philly_SWAT]

last I checked you needed to be 18 buy a gun and there was a3 day waiting period. If you are pissed after 3 days chances are nothing will prevent you from doing whats in your head. Last I checked, it was illegal to buy pot, cocaine, herion, acid, etc. in the United States. Doesnt change the fact that it is a multi-billion dollar industry. If someone wants to get a gun, they can get a gun, regardless of laws.

[Tied2thetracks]

Then why try to change the laws if they don't matter in the first place?

[Neil]

The simple truth is, with freely available fire arms, your right to own a weapon (and most likely never use it) gives every nutter, rapist and psycho the right to own and potentially use it If someone wants to get a gun, they can get a gun, regardless of laws. If they really want to, yes, but there's degrees of difficulty. For example is it easier for a disfunctional teenager to shoot his class mates, by going home and unlocking his dads gun cabinet, or finding the right people in the right place at the right time...? Yes, if someone really wants to get a gun of course they could... But if we take myself for example, I wouldn't have a clue where to get one. And I suspect that's the case of most people in this country. Now, I'm of course not suggesting we're right and your wrong etc. But what I am suggesting is simply using your argument is not fair or productive. A kid can get pissed, buy a gun, and head back to shool within an hour if they know where to go and who to deal with. What's your gut feeling? Most school shootings involve legally or illegally owned weapons? Bet you most are legally owned...

[Adrenochrome]

What's your gut feeling? Most school shootings involve legally or illegally owned weapons? Bet you most are legally owned... I'd be almost positive that the guns used by the kids are snuck out of their parents closet or the top drawer of a bedside table. Which puts me back at communication and education.

[Neil]

Which puts me back at communication and education. Fair enough... But there will always been nutters, psychos and insane spur of the moment decisions...

[p2501]

MORE GUNS IN PRPER HANDS! Guns are already coming into the schools. why would anyone be again liason officers? This generation of kids are screwed up more than others, when my kids get to HS age I want them to be safe. addressing point one: 1) the number of gun related school crimes as far as i know isn't on the rise, this is just the news filling a programming vaccum. Liason officers are proven not to work, they're effectively just glorified security officers. who bleed the school budgets. 2) what you have to do is actually look at school shootings. they break into two types generally. the first being "in-house" attacks perpitrated by students. these are of course more common. and the second type, nutters with guns. in truth really nothing can be done to prevent these short of massive public mental health screenings, which wouldn't go over well. The first type of these attacks are preventable, by actually funding schools, and allowing them to employ actual mental health professionls, not jaggoff guidance counselors. addressing point two: no they aren't the TV just pontificates about it more often. think about the **** you did in HS and got away with. in turth was it any worse than what's going on right now? no, not really. it's just the news making a big fuss of it. I'd be almost positive that the guns used by the kids are snuck out of their parents closet or the top drawer of a bedside table. Which puts me back at communication and education. exactly. Fair enough... But there will always been nutters, psychos and insane spur of the moment decisions... absolutely, but to be fair. nothing will stop people like this. if someone is intent on commiting a mass murder, be it with a gun, an sword, a plane, or a car. they're going to do it. we've seen that time and time again. the issue here is to focus on both the crime and how it was commited, not the tools used. because in essence they're sterile. last I checked you needed to be 18 buy a gun and there was a3 day waiting period. If you are pissed after 3 days chances are nothing will prevent you from doing whats in your head. not in pa. in pa it works like this. -you pay a $5 fee so that the store can runn you drivers' license, or state issued Id through the local sherriffs office. -the sherriff on the phone runs your info through VICAP, NCIC, and a local warrants check. -if you come back green, your good to buy and go. -it all takes about 10 minutes, if the clerk is running slow. when i bought my .38, i was in and out of the store in 15 minutes.

[Neil]

[QUOTE=p2501;39759]absolutely, but to be fair. nothing will stop people like this. if someone is intent on commiting a mass murder, be it with a gun, an sword, a plane, or a car. they're going to do it. we've seen that time and time again. the issue here is to focus on both the crime and how it was commited, not the tools used. because in essence they're sterile.QUOTE] Agreed, but a spur of the moment decision - to maybe kill your school mates - is someone harder to carry out if you cannot just go home and simply get a gun out of a draw... Allowing guns to be easily owned, unfortunately means they can be easily used/mis-used... Don't know what the answer is though...

[p2501]

last I checked you needed to be 18 buy a gun and there was a3 day waiting period. If you are pissed after 3 days chances are nothing will prevent you from doing whats in your head. not in pa. in pa it works like this. -you pay a $5 fee so that the store can runn you drivers' license, or state issued Id through the local sherriffs office. -the sherriff on the phone runs your info through VICAP, NCIC, and a local warrants check. -if you come back green, your good to buy and go. -it all takes about 10 minutes, if the clerk is running slow. when i bought my .38, i was in and out of the store in 15 minutes.

[Adrenochrome]

[QUOTE=Neil;39765] absolutely, but to be fair. nothing will stop people like this. if someone is intent on commiting a mass murder, be it with a gun, an sword, a plane, or a car. they're going to do it. we've seen that time and time again. the issue here is to focus on both the crime and how it was commited, not the tools used. because in essence they're sterile.QUOTE] Agreed, but a spur of the moment decision....... Don't know what the answer is though... The Columbine thing.....(and a recent plot foiled here in Missouri) were planned for a while and not spur of the moment. Those are the ones that worry me more. The spur of the moment wouldn't even explain the freak from yesterday in Amish country....he'd been harboring violence toward little girls for 20 years and finally snapped.

[p2501]

Allowing guns to be easily owned, unfortunately means they can be easily used/mis-used... Don't know what the answer is though... there really isn't an answer. that's the bitch. people like this are like tornados, or earthquakes. it's a singular event under the umbrella concept that Life is sometimes very capricious and most certainly cruel. but it is what it is. just enjoy the time you have, be vigilant, and try not to worry to much. that's the best you can do.

[CivilDefense]

Trust me, the Amish already have guns, they shoot from the age they can get a deer permit in MI, the girls get permits too, tho I think the boys actually tend to get the deer. Bow hunting as well. An amish family friend used to go to montana for Elk also, they rent a bus and go out there.