NSA Building massive phone database on American calls within America since 9/11

[DjfunkmasterG]

Now see, I knew you had it in ya! Thats was just the tip of the Iceberg. The forum has a character limit. I had to edit down to the essentials. it went on for 13,000 characters.

[ipotts85]

1st off, does anyone know how communism starts? If you guessed listening into peoples private conversations, or prying into the personal lives of citizens then you guessed correctly. Give yourself a cookie. unfortunately, you may want to google communism and actually learn what it is before you make a comment on it. communism is an economic and social ideology, not a government. it is a reaction to the exploitation of the laborer (the proletariat) by the wealthy class (the bourgeoisie), and has to do with the historic class struggle that characterizes capitalism. karl marx wrote several books and essay on this topic (including das capital, as well as the communist manifesto, with his partner engels). totalitarian regimes that can develop out of supposed "communist" states (but since communism itself is economic, not a form of government, the methods of it's government are hardly a reflection of karl marx's original ideals) are not what you referred to as "communism". when marx wrote the communist manifesto, it was not a blueprint for a government. these totalitarian regimes are often a complete contradiction to wrote karl marx originally wrote... there are no pure communist states in existent. many claim to be socialists, but are in reality complete contradictions to this idealogical system. if you are going to argue AGAINST bush, citing communism is not a valid argument, since its ideals are fundamentally opposed to what a conservative republican stands for.

[Danny]

somebody took social studies

[ipotts85]

Just do not use the phone for terroristic activities... or don't be a terrorist... in america, the constitution's fourth amendment protects from these sorts of privacy infringement. it is considered a basic right. although i agree if one does not wish to be caught, one should not be engaging in illegal activity, the fact remains that our rights are our rights, and the only thing to protect us from government exploitation. it is a system of checks and balances, and when you strip away at one, it is a blow to ALL the civil liberties that we enjoy and take for granted in this country. should our rights be compromised for this supposed "protection"? (ps - where was this "protection" BEFORE september 11th?) somebody took social studies as a fellow critic of the current administration, i was just trying to help a brutha out...we should all be as educated as possible about it before we make an argument against it...

[MKULTRA1138]

[ Give me a phucking break!! Dumya is the stupidest occupant the white house EVER seen![/QUOTE] I definetly believe that this current administration will go down in American history as the worst to ever occupy the White House.

[ipotts85]

I definately believe that this current administration will go down in American history as the worst to ever occupy the White House. a recent article in rolling stone actually has an article saying the same thing! a group of experts was polled and most agreed that this president will quite possibly be remembered as the worst...

[erisi236]

in america, the constitution's fourth amendment protects from these sorts of privacy infringement. it is considered a basic right. strange thing tho', on the terms of service you get with cell phones it says right in it that you shouldn't consider your conversations private, thats Verizon or Sprint telling you that, not the Government

[ipotts85]

that doesn't make it right, does it?

[DjfunkmasterG]

strange thing tho', on the terms of service you get with cell phones it says right in it that you shouldn't consider your conversations private, thats Verizon or Sprint telling you that, not the Government When that statement was made it wasn't put there to let the customer know... "Hey we are giving the Gov't everything about You" It was there because of Cell Phone cloning issues, and the fact that Cell Phones are wave transmitted and anyone with a scanner could possibly pick it up. This case is the companies blatantly handing over records to the Gov't about you, then the gov't listening in on your convo's. There statement wasn't meant to reflect their illegal practice of sharing your personal information. Hence why they are all now involved in class action lawsuits.