Japanese Game Makers are Friggin' Nuts - A Game designed for RAPE???? WTF?

[Andy]

Ive had all day to mull over this one and i dont see what you guys are raving about? honestly.. its a game. If you dont like it, nobody is forcing you to play it, but what a adult does in their own home in their own time is up to them. Their not hurting anyone. Whats the difference between you guys crying over this and daily mail readers complaining about grand theft auto?

[EvilNed]

Murder can be justified...in a legal sense at the very least. The woman who angrily stabs the husband that's been beating her for years, the dad who beats to death the man who just r@ped his child...y'know, that's where it gets blurry and in a legal sense, they would look at those kind of situations and act accordingly. I disagree. I do not think murder is justified in such a situation. I'm sorry, but I don't. I see what you're trying to say, that there are situations when ordinary people commit acts of lunacy. That brings us back to mankinds twisted, demented nature. It is dormant for most of the time. Sometimes it surfaces. And when it surfaces, it can take the form of anything - be it murder, torture or rape. As for where we draw the line? We don't. Simple as that. As long as nobody is hurt, we stay out of it. I agree with you that the game isn't a puzzle solver, it's a game to settle the animal urges that inhabit some people. But a game like this will never corrupt. The human race is already corrupt. We've been for thousands of years. No harmless game is going to make the situation better or worse.

[Danny]

Well that leap is pretty easy among the "Family Values" crowd. brought to you by same people as the "she was wearing a short skirt so she deserved it" method of thinking.

[MinionZombie]

Ah the pressures of a 24 hour news cycle. Sounds like Sky News and BBC News 24 - "the same shit in fifteen minutes, every fifteen minutes" ... Ive had all day to mull over this one and i dont see what you guys are raving about? honestly.. its a game. If you dont like it, nobody is forcing you to play it, but what a adult does in their own home in their own time is up to them. Their not hurting anyone. Whats the difference between you guys crying over this and daily mail readers complaining about grand theft auto? Probably because "murder" has become sanitised. Just look at how much violence you can cram into a PG-13 movie these days (although ironically you can't have as much gore - compare Indy #1 to Indy #4, the latter has a 12A rather than PG and doesn't feature the gore of the PG rated Raiders) ... violence is "okay to fake", but rape "isn't okay to fake". It is an odd thing when you get deep into the theological depths of this "one's okay but not the other" issue. What's for sure is, a damn sight more people will see and play this game now that there's a media masturbation marathon surrounding it (or rather, because of it in the past ... CNN are so slow on the uptake here) ... same thing happened with Manhunt in the UK. Wasn't even in the charts, few people were playing it, then 2005 happened in the UK and it shot up to #1 because of the frothy-mouthed publicity surrounding it. Interesting to note that my main reaction seeing footage of that game was "that looks poorly made" ... not condoning or condemning it, just saying that it looks all jagged-edged with a slow-ass frame rate and buggy interface. Which circles me back to my point yesterday about consensual sex games which should be encouraged and made mainstream. Japan has a famously low sex crime rate, yet it has some of the most lurid and even violent sexual imagery in Hentai ... what I'm saying is, if consensual sex games (even covering the gamut of fetishes and kinks out there in the world) were made mainstream and properly coded so they weren't amateur rush jobs, then I'd say sex crime rates would drop as a result of them - which would be a good thing.

[mista_mo]

So who decides where to draw the line? You? I am well aware that "Art" is entirely subjective, but I also believe that art should be somewhat constructive, and have a positive influence on an individual. What does this creation possibly contribute to the our culture, how does this contribute anything positive to anyone whatsoever? What point is there in creating this? When I think art, I think pleasant music that is well written played and sung, I think of paintings or pictures that are technically impressive, and are emotionally engaging. I think of well written characters in books and novels, plays, stage shows, Opera. That being said, I can't see this causing people to go out and rape the shit out of people, I mean, anyone that emotionally and morally shallow would have been prompted to rape (as an example mind you) long before they were exposed to this game. It is not like you play this and say "Yep, I think I need to molest some little Japanese girls now". I really don't care that this game is released to be honest, but I cannot accept this as art in anyway shape or form. Again, that is in my opinion though, and as has been said in this thread by people much more linguistically talented and, quite frankly, articulate than me, art is what you choose to make of the item being reviewed.

[EvilNed]

mista, I respect what you think of as art. Now please respect what these guys think of as art. And that would settle this conflict.

[mista_mo]

Would you respect what I view as art if I said that the following video is pretty much the most artistic thing ever in EVERY possible way? Because you know...I mean...it is pretty good...

[EvilNed]

I would respect your opinion... And my opinion of you would change slightly...

[MinionZombie]

Would you respect what I view as art if I said that the following video is pretty much the most artistic thing ever in EVERY possible way? Because you know...I mean...it is pretty good... Watched it with the sound muted ... I would so do sex at all those chicks. You know what the worst bits of that video is? All the bits where they're wearing jeans. ... Have I been sufficiently pervy yet? ... No? ... Well, okay, first I'd take some strawberry jam and...

[darth los]

I think the japshave the market cornered on the perviness thing. They have vending machines that sell women's used panties in hermedically sealed plastic for pete's sake. To preserve the aroma of course.

[Danny]

it occurs to me now that kotaku reported that they stopped making this game around 2 or 3 years ago. Guess this what a news channel does when theres nothing current to fear monger the public with. -next? this new fangeled wizardry called "why-phi" and how it is literally filling up every device you own with pornography from thin air AS.WE.SPEAK. DUN-DUN-DUUUUN!!!

[SRP76]

Just because it's old, doesn't mean it isn't still worth discussing. I must disagree with people who are arguing that "art" applies. To any videogame. Videogames are created for the sole purpose of selling, to make a buck. It's business. Not art.

[bassman]

I must disagree with people who are arguing that "art" applies. To any videogame. Videogames are created for the sole purpose of selling, to make a buck. It's business. Not art. Everything is a business. You think all filmmakers or musicians are doing it just for the money? I know some of them are, but for the most part they do it for the art and in the end make some money off of it. Same with videogame developers, musicians, painters, photographers, etc. Any career that produces entertainment or art is a business in the end, but that doesn't take away from the fact that people put their heart and soul into it.

[SRP76]

Everything is a business. You think all filmmakers or musicians are doing it just for the money? I know some of them are, but for the most part they do it for the art and in the end make some money off of it. Same with videogame developers, musicians, painters, photographers, etc. Any career that produces entertainment or art is a business in the end, but that doesn't take away from the fact that people put their heart and soul into it. I don't think all of them do. The ones that don't get paid, and do it to "express themselves" are artists. Professionals, on the other hand, are just that: professionals. It's strictly business, and getting paid. All videogames fall into that category. They all exist solely to sell. "Putting your heart and soul into it" doesn't make it art. The plumber puts his heart and soul into finishing a job from rough-ins to finish, but that doesn't make what he does "art". It's just a profession.

[EvilNed]

There's no universal law that says art cannot be commersial. That, again, is only a personal preference. And please keep your personal preferences out of my laws.