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    Quote Originally Posted by mista_mo View Post
    I believe he hit him at the end because he watched the kids punch/kick 5 people without a thing happening to him AT ALL.
    I would've done the same, although, much less effectively then someone who knows how to fight. However, one must never doubt the power that the fist of a strong person can deliver to the skull and or face of anouther, no matter what kind of training they have.

    Scipio,
    I'm not that big either (about 5"8' and 145 lbs or so) but i've been lifting weights for about four years, so I am quite powerful for someone my size. Add to that the fact that my dad was in the military for 27 years, your bound to pick up a few things (he always told me that if i get into a fight, do whatever it takes to win) so I am kinda in the same boat as you, although I suspect, I am much less refined then you are

    why am I saying this? just to use as an example of a relitively small guy being able to hold his own if it comes down to it (I would get layed out on my ass tbh, but I can adequetly protect myself, and can guarrantee that the other person is going to be in quite alot of pain).


    in the end, the kid got what he deserved, and I would give the guy who knocked his dumbass out a medal for being so frigging awesome.

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    I suspect it's a 50/50 thing... Have you ever driven a car without ABS and had to break quickly? Chances are if/when your wheels lock up, you either:-
    a) Just panic more and more and more, pushing your foot down harder and harder...
    b) Think and react and lift your foot up and re-apply...

    I suspect in a heated moment you'll either do gut react (stand there stunned, or back off), or head react (do the correct thing).


    Any sort of training will just mean you are more likely to think about it, or the reflex action is a better on.

    I know if a punch was thrown at me I would hopefully block it due to hours and hours of doing it... But in reality who knows until it happens.

    Talking about it is one thing, doing it is quite another
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khardis View Post
    Its weird how similar this is all becoming to A Clockwork Orange. They had the same problem in the novel, only the only way to fix it wasnt pretty, they had to take away more and more freedom to accomplish it. Which is absurd, if they just gave people more freedom, like the freedom to carry guns legally this wouldn't be such a big issue.An armed society is a polite society.
    Utopia. Or dystopia, rather. If you give everyone access to guns, violence would rise tenfold. People are not nice. Guns do not make people polite, especially juvenile idiots such as these. Guns only cause trouble and are unnecessary. I respect the fact that they are legal in the states for it is a whole different climate there. But one of the reasons I'm not living in the states is because of that climate. I'm glad Europe has moved away from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvilNed View Post
    Utopia. Or dystopia, rather. If you give everyone access to guns, violence would rise tenfold. People are not nice. Guns do not make people polite, especially juvenile idiots such as these. Guns only cause trouble and are unnecessary. I respect the fact that they are legal in the states for it is a whole different climate there. But one of the reasons I'm not living in the states is because of that climate. I'm glad Europe has moved away from it.
    The facts would suggest otherwise, Wherever you see freedom to carry guns you tend to see less crime overall but more gun related deaths (gotta shoot criminals for self defense and all that). Places where guns are strictly prohibited you tend to see violent increases in crime. Englands crime rate for example has SKYROCKETED since the gun ban. Even the Mayor of London claimed to feel safer in the United States walking the street.

    Giving people guns tends to water down crime because criminals now have to worry about dying on the job, and people are a little bit more cautious about getting into a fight, especially if they are carrying a gun themselves. I find that I am MORE likely to knock someone out if I am unarmed than if I am armed, simply for the fact that I don't need to worry about the situation escalating to deadly force.

    Those juvenile idiots as you call them can still get guns if they want them. See thats the thing about law... when you outlaw guns only outlaws have guns. Gun bans only harm the law abiding citizens who would bother to take the time to go and register a gun and buy one from a store that records who the purchase was made for.

    Hope you like the climate in Europe I hear its getting hot over there with riots, especially in Paris. Good luck being a vanilla face surviving a riot of angry muslims looking for people to beat and cars to burn. If it isn't where you are now, give it time. It will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khardis View Post
    The facts would suggest otherwise, Wherever you see freedom to carry guns you tend to see less crime overall but more gun related deaths.
    Please provide these facts for this outrageous statement. Crime rate in the US is sky-high compared to much of Europe.

    You can compare the riots in Paris to similar riots in Los Angeles around 10 years ago. Every country has them. Even the "safe" US. Only difference is that in the US, a riot is armed and dangerous. People out of control. Chaos and panic. In Europe, much of the same elements apply of course, except for one small detail: No guns.

    You know what? Without knowing it, your sarcasm bit you in the ass. It IS safer in Paris.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvilNed View Post
    Please provide these facts for this outrageous statement. Crime rate in the US is sky-high compared to much of Europe.

    You can compare the riots in Paris to similar riots in Los Angeles around 10 years ago. Every country has them. Even the "safe" US. Only difference is that in the US, a riot is armed and dangerous. People out of control. Chaos and panic. In Europe, much of the same elements apply of course, except for one small detail: No guns.

    You know what? Without knowing it, your sarcasm bit you in the ass. It IS safer in Paris.

    ned, ned, ned - why should only the govt. be allowed to have guns? that to me is more frightening than any criminal ever could be.

    i don't really care if crime goes up or down with or without guns. doesn't matter to me. the issue to me is being able to protect yourself from a govt. that has gone out of control. if only the govt. has guns how would a population ever fight back?

    if the govt. gets to have them so do i.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khardis View Post
    if I saw a group of "youths" beating up someone I would tell them to stop, if there was only 1 or 2 I would kick their asses, if there was 3 or more i would threaten them then pull my gun and threaten them.


    Threatening to shoot someone is so much worse than knocking them off their bike or denting their car! If I saw someone threatening a group of young lads with a gun, I'd definitely be too scared to intervene, I'd just call the police. I'd be scared for my life.

    Anyway, if one third of people who challenge get attacked/ threatened, surely that means roughly 67% of people don't get any hassle whatsoever? Surely that's actually a pretty good statistic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scipio70 View Post
    ned, ned, ned - why should only the govt. be allowed to have guns? that to me is more frightening than any criminal ever could be.

    i don't really care if crime goes up or down with or without guns. doesn't matter to me. the issue to me is being able to protect yourself from a govt. that has gone out of control. if only the govt. has guns how would a population ever fight back?

    if the govt. gets to have them so do i.
    During the 20's century, the US government has acted in ways comparable to that of fascist states in Europe many-a-times. How about the Dominican Republic, Panama or Vietnam? Forced their diplomacy (often installing puppet-dictators) upon countries where democracy has prevailed but the US has been displeased with the results.

    This, to me, is proof enough that the American public no longer keeps their guns to protect themselves from the government. They keep guns to protect themselves from each other. Such fearful people are of course also violent.

    As the later half of the 20th century has proven, americans have forgotten WHY they are allowed to keep guns. Only THAT they are allowed to do so.

    EDIT: I just want to add that I understand WHY the US allows guns. But in my opinion, guns hurt more than they help. And I view the US as a testament to that. But guns are part of the mentality and the culture. Hard to break off, and I wouldn't want too. Why would I? I don't live there, and I'm only going to go on short visits.
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    I need to buy myself some guns.....I just havent yet because I dont trust the crazy people I live with....
    People that are swayed so drastically by emotion freak me out....so I dont want to own guns in a place where people like that would have access to them....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khardis View Post
    This is why Britain needs to repeal the gun ban... if I saw a group of "youths" beating up someone I would tell them to stop, if there was only 1 or 2 I would kick their asses, if there was 3 or more i would threaten them then pull my gun and threaten them. I read a story of a guy who shot the ex husband of a woman who was beating her in a parking lot of a Walmart and he was trying to kill her (they had been divorced and she was with someone else so he was pissed). I would do something similar.
    That's a piss poor argument for gun laws mate.

    Those same youths you'd "kick the **** out of" would easily have guns themselves if we made them readily available.

    Its just not the answer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Khardis View Post
    Incorrect, the scum bags don't follow the law, they have guns already if they really want them. The gun ban was meant to do 1 thing, disarm people like me and you who could:

    A: stand up for our rights from the government
    B: fight back against crime.

    the government doesn't like that.



    Well I believe the people of Britain need to take back their freedoms before things will get better. Including their right to bare arms, sword whatever etc.
    No, the gun ban was meant to disarm people who APPEAR to be like you and me, but are psychopathic and evil behind closed doors.

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    I'd like to know what the EU is planning to do on gun laws,because in some EU countries people can have any gun they like (the swiss for example) & also on conscription into the forces because that is compulsory in some EU countries as well.I say this because they are wanting the EU to become a huge superstate with one government & one set of laws,so are they going to either abolish gun ownership right across the EU or are they going to allow everyone to own them?
    My stance hasnt changed on federal europe though,i despise the idea completely

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    I don't think the EU will ever become more of a unified state than the US is. Countries will still have their own laws, their own parliaments. But they do spend alot of laws debating unnecessary ****, like the size of strawberries. And they'll probably never elect a political leader for the entire EU. Perhaps a representative leader, but never anyone with any real might.

    That having said, from the beginning of mankinds history, Europe has always been divided but has also always fought to become united. Rome, Charlemagne, Napoleon and Hitler. The thought of a unified Europe has never been far from anyones mind. Perhaps this is the final say in the matter? A unification not of war, but of diplomacy. Time will tell.

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    If the EU gets anywhere remotely close to forming a super state, it'll fail completely. The nations wrapped up in this mess (sadly including the UK now, thanks to that complete f*cking c*nt Brown) are waaaaaaaay too different socially and politically. I mean the differences between France and the UK are pretty big, and we're just across the channel from them, we used to be connected to them by land even.

    So how on earth is a super state EU with one set of retarded laws going to work? Answer - it won't. It just won't is what. The economies and socio-political set-up of each country in Europe is so different from one another it's completely unworkable.

    But then again, so are most 'bright ideas' Labour come up with/agree with.

    Seriously, Brown's out at the next election, as will Labour be. They've pissed up the wall of Britain for too long now and the people are evidently super-serial-pissed-off right about now.

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    EU won't become a unified entity. But as for economic booming and trade, we're already seeing the benefits. As an economic superpower, it's only a matter of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scipio70 View Post
    this is how to get involved. an older dude knocks this teen bully out cold in one punch. no warning no nothing. the kid never saw this coming.






    the bearded adult in this vid is a complete and total pussy. the kid hits him and he just stands there???????? DUDE when that happens it time to start throwing some ass and some punches around of your own. my words to bearded man - find your balls. remove them from their packaging and put them to use.

    point is - this kid got what he deserved. that dude laid his butt out on the pavement.

    on another tip why didn't these kids (who outnumbered this idiot) ban together and attack at once and stomp the complete piss out him???

    has anyone else on here ever busted a bully's eye open with a rock at the schoolbus stop?? don't people fight back anymore?
    then again because i am not that big i was taught how to fight (and fight damn dirty) at an early age.

    idiots like the fool kid in the vid are the exact reason my son is going to learn a martial as soon as he is old enough to start taking lessons.
    DOH! All my dumb questions and the clip has dailog I had my volume down!
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    Booming economy eh? We're on the brink of a crash-dive here in the UK, you can sense it on the horizon. Labour seems to neglect the old saying of 'the higher you rise, the further you have to fall' ... methinks that'll be coming true ... sadly.

    And what cop is it when first time buyers can't get on the housing ladder - let alone FLAT ladder - because every property worth anything has been gobbled up by greedy property developers doing up old gaffs to make them into posh white-walled second homes to people who are already on the property ladder ... just a grievance that sprung to mind.

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