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Thread: TWD 2x02 "Bloodletting" episode discussion... **SPOILERS WITHIN**

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    Quote Originally Posted by bassman View Post
    It's been 24 hours or more since T-Dawg got his wound. Remember in episode 201 that Rick and Daryl come back at Dusk and say they'll all head out for an organized search at first light. Then we get a jump cut to the next morning where they all go out and find the suicide in the tent, the church, Carl's shooting, etc. So by the time T-Dawg gets the antibiotics from Daryl in Episode 202, it's already been more than 24 hours since the herd first came through the roadblock.




    That was my first thought. "skyflowers".

    same here,man. i guess thats gonna be something they use from now on in all zombie films.......well lets hope

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    About the lack of common sense decision-making among the members of the TWD group that many have commented on,
    I agree that it's getting to be more than a bit much. Whoever said that the group acts like zombies don't exist unless they're looking right at one or more Walkers hit the nail on its damned head. It's gone beyond the believable in many cases. Take for instance the "everyone take a weapon" alternative to guns that Rick put in motion using the bundle of weapons Carl found. Yes, SOME of those implements would make effective BACKUP weapons, or a weapon you fall back on when the noise of a gunshot is too much of a risk. Others however, ranging from that hook-pronged implement Glenn got stuck with that's just BEGGING to get stuck in a Walker's body and wrenched out of his grasp AT BEST, to the short wide-bladed knife Andrea was forced to rely on are quite literally inferior to a thick tree branch. Yes, Andrea employed it sub-optimally, but you can't blame her when she's being attacked by a Walker with a SERIOUS REACH ADVANTAGE and her only means of defense requires she enter well into the grab-kill-zone of that Walker to strike it with a knife not much longer (or more effective) than a frigging STEAK KNIFE. WTH?

    Rick took a reasonable position about needing to avoid making noise that could attract the Walker herd they'd encountered so far that he turned reasonable prudence into an absurdity with a high chance of getting someone killed. Hell, I didn't even see that hatchet from the bundle given to someone who didn't have a gun (or a crossbow), but Rick and Daryl each had one of the more effective of the weapons from the bundle despite those two already being well-armed. Rick is seen agonizing over the decisions he has to make for the group all the time, yet his attention to the less obvious details is consistently poor and shows little sign of improving with experience.

    Don't get me wrong, I think Rick Grimes is a very compelling character in most respects. It's just that there's only 2 real directions the leader of a small group of post-apocalyptic survivors can go. Either he rises to the occasion, and while he'll stumble his mistakes are experiences he learns from and improves thereby as both a leader and a survivor, or he begins to crumble under the pressure and becomes more and more of a liability rather than an asset. Yes, realistically most people would fall somewhere between these two opposite poles, but Rick swings wildly between the 2 poles in a way that isn't explained by pressure, anxiety or stress. One minute he's Uber Leader, the Man With the Plan...and the next his actions (and inaction) silently communicates to the others "Meh, just do....whatever. It'll all work out, somehow."

    I just haven't gotten the feeling from either Rick OR Shane that, despite how much Shane talks about his training as multifaceted all-purpose justification, these men are the experienced police officers what we're shown is supposed to convince us they are. Most of the time they simply come across as alpha-male rednecks that happen to be good with guns. There's no use of manpower to systematically secure whatever area they've stopped in. No acquiring of all reasonably available information or attempts to use the manpower at their disposal to form plans that allow for the possible occurrence of unexpected contingencies. No effort to pass on even the most elementary (and extremely useful) elements of their training. Bottom line? For me at least, it doesn't FEEL like the group has the benefit of two cops being part of their efforts to survive. On the contrary, Daryl of all people feels like a man utilizing his expertise in every way he can think to apply it. Rick and Shane are SUPPOSED to have skill-sets that should be a treasure trove for the group. Where are those skill-sets?

    Could go on, but I think I've conveyed my point. Rather than flog the deceased equine some more, I'll wait and see what others have to say about these elements of characterization, and the common sense deficits others have pointed out.

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    I would point out that Rick and Shane are (were) sheriff's deputies, not regular policemen. They're likely used to a more laid back rural setting than say city cops or state troopers; serving court papers, getting kittens out of trees, recovering lost bicycles, escorting prisoners, etc. We could see how they dropped the ball in the flashback where Rick gets shot in season one. The chatter among the four deputies waiting with weapons drawn for the bad guys is sort of a tip that they were all only marginally trained imo. I think one of the deputies had his weapon's safety switch on until Rick mentioned it.

    It's difficult to say how anyone would act in an apocalyptic situation like TWD, although Rick's thoughts and actions do seem to be conflicting at times. I'm still enjoying the show at any rate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpokera View Post
    I noticed this as well, my comment to my wife was "Why the Hell was she so far away from the rest?" And if it was because she tripped momentarily or something why would they have just gone on and not waited for her? Its another example of them acting like the zombies arent a regular threat. They should be walking in defensive formations and watching all around them at all times. I love the show but I think this was a bit of lazy writing, they obviously wanted to intro Maggie to us as a BAMF and likely to have Andrea imperiled as a way of moving along her conflict with Dale. I understand all that but I find it hard to believe an unarmed woman (or man for that matter) would let themselves get that far from the group when it has been established that there are indeed zombies in the area.

    Same here, and sadly because of the previews I think we all knew she was going to be attacked. I was watching her move farther from the group in editing and going 'here it comes" which sucks it ruined the shock value for me.

    As for realistic actions in an unrealistic world, I do think we have been over this before but to just state my opinion again I don't want REAL I was REALISTIC. We can accept the zombies are walking, this is not realistic so everything else around that should be more real to ground it and make it something I can relate to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyldwraith View Post
    About the lack of common sense decision-making among the members of the TWD group that many have commented on,
    I agree that it's getting to be more than a bit much. Whoever said that the group acts like zombies don't exist unless they're looking right at one or more Walkers hit the nail on its damned head.
    Thanks Wraith, at least we agree on something!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorn View Post
    As for realistic actions in an unrealistic world, I do think we have been over this before but to just state my opinion again I don't want REAL I was REALISTIC. We can accept the zombies are walking, this is not realistic so everything else around that should be more real to ground it and make it something I can relate to.
    Yes! Obviously this is an unrealistic situation, we all know zombies dont really exist (yet) lol, but anyway the point is that we are accepting the zombies in the shows world 'suspending our disbelief' is the actual literary term, but we still want the people in the situation to react in real ways, i.e. ways in which we believe that these types of people would react if they were actually in this situation. When they dont, it takes us out of the illusion. Ironically, Rick might actually be the least qualified to lead in some respects, he missed the whole apocalypse sleeping in his hospital bed. The others watched society fall and the vast majority of the world die. Which is why you would think they would be a lot more security conscious at all times, not just when they can actually see a zombie.

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    I noticed that weird distance/time thing with Andrea's attack too (posted on previous page). The writers just needed her to be far enough away from the rest of the group so that they (the group) would not be able to rescue Andrea right away, but the woman on horseback could.

    The other thing in that episode that bugged me was when Shane and the hunter dude were so stealthy going INTO the medical trailer, yet so not coming out again. Realistically, they would have peeked out of the door before leaving (they already knew there were a billion walkers outside), not just BLAMO swinging the door wide open like they did.
    I wish the TWD writers were open to comments from the viewers/fans. But then again, they already wrote the season before we the viewers get to see it.
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    Is anyone else having a problem with Lincoln as Rick? I don't have any preconceived ideas about how Rick should be nor do i have an issue with his accent but his outbursts seem to be way way over the top. Its almost as if he puts too much passion into it.
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    I have no problem with him, whatsoever, KG. He sometimes puts on a stoic, determined face and sometimes flips the switch and puts a lot of passion on when things get tense, but he should be freaking out, in my mind. Freaking waaaaaay out, at times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AcesandEights View Post
    I have no problem with him, whatsoever, KG. He sometimes puts on a stoic, determined face and sometimes flips the switch and puts a lot of passion on when things get tense, but he should be freaking out, in my mind. Freaking waaaaaay out, at times.
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    He's supposed to be a pretty normal person seeing his family in mortal danger. I see people scream like that when they drop their iphone.

    Even better: have you ever been on scene after a bad automobile accident? People scream when they don't know if they're loved ones are hurt in a way that could be more than superficial.

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    I dont have any problem with Grimes as Rick, I think he (and the writers mostly) are doing a pretty good job of portraying a basically decent man in an impossible situation. He is constantly forced to make some impossible choices. I agree that sometimes the dialogue is a little forced but that is always going to happen as no writer is perfect. And I loved some of his tortured acting from S202, especially the part where he kept repeating 'a little girl gets lost, you look for her, I mean thats what you do right? a little girl gets lost you look for her" as he starts to realize even more that in the world they live in, maybe you dont because you cant afford to jeopardize everyone else.

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    Rick's little outbursts seem very real to me. Particularly the scene where he's calling out to Lori and Carl in their house in Episode 101 and the scene when he thinks Carl is dying in 202. Lincoln portrays it much in the same way I imagine I would. Great actor and i've got no problem with him as Rick. Great writing, as well. Perfect, actually.
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    I think the brit playing Rick is a great actor quite honestly. It always blows my mind when a brit can do such a convincing yank, and also with a southern accent. I thought his best scene so far was in the first episode of season 1, when he staggered into his house looking for his wife and son. Really well done imo.
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    Yep, good episode. Just watched it today. Skyflowers, indeed. Also, that's how you do horses and zombies, Romero. Take notes.

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    Is T Dog gonna turn or what? Im getting that feelin' bout that...better watch him.
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