 Originally Posted by JDP
No, you haven't, you keep changing your tune and modifying what "anarchy" supposedly means as it suits you, instead of following accepted definitions of it. That's one of the reasons I stopped responding to your posts. So, no "RIP", it's just that we are starting to plainly see that we are wasting our time here. Kind of talking to a brick-wall. We answer with facts, common sense and logic, and you answer with... dreams, wishful thinking, mistaken statements (Ex: "capitalism invented slavery", Huh? Slavery predates capitalism by a very long time, as I informed you many posts back, but apparently you did not remember it and repeated the same mistaken claim just recently, so now the new tune is "capitalism invented wage slavery"; but people were being paid wages for their work long before "capitalism" as well; for example, ancient and medieval carpenters and other craftsmen living under monarchic or feudal systems earned wages for their work and services, nothing remotely "modern" about this; again, you fail to understand that PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE TO WORK FOR FREE and they want to earn the means by which they can buy the things they like or need, which can easily vary from person to person, thus one of the reasons why you will never get rid of such a convenient, versatile and practical invention as money; it works better than bartering, that's why we started to gradually abandon bartering for money as a means of exchange some 3000 years ago), links written by other people that often do not address the issues being discussed (like how eliminating laws altogether supposedly will "get rid" of crime??? Absolutely ridiculous idea. Even cavemen committed what we understand as "crimes" whenever they took someone else's mate, children, food, belongings, etc., by force, even though there technically were no "laws" around that said such things were "illegal"... that's in fact why "laws" were invented and put into place, to keep such abusive people who do not respect the lives and rights of others in check and punish them for their actions, yet you hilariously think that people will stop doing such things by eliminating the very thing designed to reduce them! If you take the laws out, people will revert to those "cavemen" times: survival of the strongest, kill or be killed, every man/woman for himself/herself! The Law of the Jungle. Again, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure this out...), and when they do it is about theories and speculation of how an anarchy might work, but which when attempted to be put into practice they won't really work well or at all.
As it suits ME? Am I seriously the only anarchist you've ever met in your life? I haven't conjured up anything out of thin air here. Hence my long list of sources. If you hadn't noticed, dictionary definitions do not do most concepts justice, especially things like political ideologies, which are often if not always very nuanced and complex. Wikipedia does much better on it, but still of course doesn't tell the whole story. So you got frustrated with me because I'm not a one-dimensional stereotype? Or what? My thoughts exactly (except I'm the only one here who's NOT a brick wall). Again, wtf is "common sense"? You've yet to define your take on that phrase. Here are some facts: Capitalists are actively destroying the environment of this planet. The oceans, the rain forests, the polar ice caps, etc. Are you saying it's wrong to have any hopes? Any dreams for a better future? Then again, why are any of us still alive? Still doing things? And YOU fail to understand that money is a negative construct that must be abolished if we are to have any kind of future. Why are you still talking if you haven't yet read Marx or Kropotkin? It'd be like me weighing in on a discussion of quantum physics. Meet me at my level, so you don't look like an absolute ignoramus. Do I need to link you to gift economy too? Fucking bootlicker. Yes, eliminating the police and impractical laws (most of the ones on the books currently) would drastically reduce crime, especially in conjunction with equality for all. Which is the goal. A bad goal, would you say? Do you believe that not everyone deserves consideration or care? Laws were invented to restrain the masses and keep us from overthrowing the tyrants in power, and still are to this day. You fool. Has Trump been punished yet, for his many many counts of fraud, and other heinous acts? No. The laws don't work if you have enough money and influence. It's fucking rigged. How can you not see that? Again, you've watched The Purge one too many times, methinks. If everyone behaved as a violent hermit, our species would quickly die out. And hell, would that be so bad? Look what we've done to our own planet. Now I'm not trying to kill anyone here, but you gotta admit... We kinda suck. And capitalism (greed, self-centeredness, exploitation of the weaker, etc) is the greatest offender. Where are your links? Why am I the only one posting links? Am I the only one here who actually reads? Maybe if you didn't repeat meaningless phrases so much, I'd take you more seriously.
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Originally Posted by EvilNed
I'm sorry, but to debate requires both parts to contribute and spar along and around a continuous idea. Unfortunately your method of debating revolves too much around emotional distraction, shifting the goal post, avoiding answering questions and changing your arguments. Basically, what JDP said.
Apology accepted. We're not debating, we're discussing. Ah, more excuses it is. RIP Ned.
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