300 Question

[EvilNed]

Would there be something wrong with me thinking this film preaches nationalism and also seems to glorify nazi ideals of the superior being? I know Zack Snyder SAYS there isn't anything political about the film, but only an idiot would think you could make a film and not having some of your own views rub off on it. All bad guys in the film are either: Disfigured, Middle eastern, black or feminine. All of these are the EXACT same people who were villinized in german propaganda films in the 1940s. As well as obvious creative references to Leni Riefenstahl, I have a hard time seeing this film as anything else than nationalsocialist crap. Albeit with very good action scenes...

[Minerva_Zombi]

I got a question, how come the movie was full of blood flying across the screen but not one drop on the ground. Watch carefully, the bloody disappears into thin air as it falls. Thats pretty lame.

[bassman]

Wait a minute. Are you saying that you actually watched "300", ned?

[EvilNed]

Under forced conditions, I assure you. I came out totally baffled. The film was a piece of ****, idealizing aryan and nazi ideals, but the action scenes were ace. I came to despise it for completly other reasons than I originally did. Btw, after seeing it I can totally see what the iranians are so pissed about.

[Dommm]

Now I have to watch this, you just perked my interest ned, can't slate it till I have watched it.

[bassman]

The action is one of the things that pissed me off about "300". Slow, fast, slow, slow, fast. F*cking annoying. I don't know about the whole historical accuracy thing because the film was never meant to be accurate, but just as a film.....it's just about as bad as "Dawn04". The only thing that pushes it a notch above "Dawn04" are some good visuals(Snyder's only talent, imo).

[Neil]

Under forced conditions, I assure you. I came out totally baffled. The film was a piece of ****, idealizing aryan and nazi ideals, but the action scenes were ace. I came to despise it for completly other reasons than I originally did. Btw, after seeing it I can totally see what the iranians are so pissed about. LOL! I think you could read anything into most films... I suspect you could find the same meaning in Snow White of you looked hard enough ps: I really enjoyed the film

[EvilNed]

Neil, let me present the facts... #A: The constant talk about Sparta this, Sparta that. There is no doubt in anyones mind that the film glorifies and encourages nationalism. #B: The good men in the film are portrayed pretty much the same way the good guys in Nazi ideology was: Strong athletes, Nieztchian "Super men" with blond hair and blue eyes. The spartans ALL have blue eyes. #C: The bad guys in the film are the unwanted, in Nazi ideology. The foreigners, the weak and handicapped and the feminine/homosexuals. Xerxes is portrayed as a feminine character, whereas in reallife he would have boasted one of the longest beards you could ever imagine. The same goes for the Spartan traitor Ephialtes. He's weak because he's disfigured, and also unwanted (which the film pretty much shows that he is! Even Leonidas sees him as unwanted!). Then we have the foreigners. The film goes to extreme length to alienate "them" from "us". To such extremes that they are portayed as orclike creatures underneath their masks. The film is first and foremost extremely racist. Second, and not far behind, comes nazism. I don't think Zack Snyder is a nazi, but he sure **** just churned out one of the most racist/nazi films I've ever seen... And I've seen Triumph of Will, man. As for finding nazi elements in Snow White: Yes, you probably can. But there they would be hidden and covert. In 300 they're in plain sight, and extremely overt! The entire film pretty much revolves around it!

[Khardis]

Would there be something wrong with me thinking this film preaches nationalism and also seems to glorify nazi ideals of the superior being? I know Zack Snyder SAYS there isn't anything political about the film, but only an idiot would think you could make a film and not having some of your own views rub off on it. All bad guys in the film are either: Disfigured, Middle eastern, black or feminine. All of these are the EXACT same people who were villinized in german propaganda films in the 1940s. As well as obvious creative references to Leni Riefenstahl, I have a hard time seeing this film as anything else than nationalsocialist crap. Albeit with very good action scenes... maybe the Nazis were copying the Spartans? The Spartans DID believe in perfection of men, its why they killed weak babies. Neil, let me present the facts... #A: The constant talk about Sparta this, Sparta that. There is no doubt in anyones mind that the film glorifies and encourages nationalism. #B: The good men in the film are portrayed pretty much the same way the good guys in Nazi ideology was: Strong athletes, Nieztchian "Super men" with blond hair and blue eyes. The spartans ALL have blue eyes. #C: The bad guys in the film are the unwanted, in Nazi ideology. The foreigners, the weak and handicapped and the feminine/homosexuals. Xerxes is portrayed as a feminine character, whereas in reallife he would have boasted one of the longest beards you could ever imagine. The same goes for the Spartan traitor Ephialtes. He's weak because he's disfigured, and also unwanted (which the film pretty much shows that he is! Even Leonidas sees him as unwanted!). Then we have the foreigners. The film goes to extreme length to alienate "them" from "us". To such extremes that they are portayed as orclike creatures underneath their masks. The film is first and foremost extremely racist. Second, and not far behind, comes nazism. I don't think Zack Snyder is a nazi, but he sure **** just churned out one of the most racist/nazi films I've ever seen... And I've seen Triumph of Will, man. As for finding nazi elements in Snow White: Yes, you probably can. But there they would be hidden and covert. In 300 they're in plain sight, and extremely overt! The entire film pretty much revolves around it! Nationalism isnt bad. Spartans like most people of that period were very nationalistic because you DID have scummy persians invading. Calling the film racist is absurd. Youre reading far too deeply into it looking for a reason to bash the director.

[EvilNed]

maybe the Nazis were copying the Spartans? The Spartans DID believe in perfection of men, its why they killed weak babies. Which is glorified in the film. Nationalism isnt bad. Only good things come from nationalism, it's true. Oh, and the First World War too. Let's not forget, that was caused by nationalism as well. Spartans like most people of that period were very nationalistic because you DID have scummy persians invading. Calling the film racist is absurd. Youre reading far too deeply into it looking for a reason to bash the director. Actually, I think Zack Snyder unintentionally added all this stuff. But that doesn't change the fact that this film IS racist on a very high degree. Anyone who says it isn't is either blind or lying. Spartans had scummy persians invading as much as THEY THEMSELVES invaded other Greek city states and enslaved them. Ever hear of Helots? There were seven slaves to every Spartan citizen in Sparta. Not seeing the racism and unintentional neo-nazi thrife in this film is just shutting your eyes. Not saying the film is bad, that's up to you to decide. But the film IS racist. Depicting the persians weak, disfigured or feminine is pretty much evidence of that.

[Terran]

LOL! I think you could read anything into most films... I suspect you could find the same meaning in Snow White of you looked hard enough Or Bladerunner....look at how Roy Batty appears....perfect in everyway? Blonde hair....blue....or green eyes....I dunno....not brown eyes.....

[Exatreides]

ARGGG!!! haha Wait, so Synder went from having no ability for depth in Dawn 04, to loads of social intrigue and racism in his next movie? You obviously missed the Marixism of dawn 04 then. The movie begins with the capitalists running around about their normal lives. Screwing the poor, and enriching themselves. Then... The long awaited peoples revolution comes! Captalism is delt a death blow, the surviving burgiouse flee into the last sanctum of capalism. The shopping mall. Here they baricade themselves in, and lavish in their own decadence while the people claw at the walls to get in. Oh to convert those capatlists, oh to get them to join the people! The perfect community of human beings! Of course Andy is a reference to the Swiss, A fortress island sorounded by hoards (Nazi's Communists, French) He too falls however. The capatlists flee their last strong hold, and one by one the peoples undead liberation army (PULA) re-educates them. Well if thats the case then, Yea I can see how 300 is racist

[Khardis]

Which is glorified in the film. Only good things come from nationalism, it's true. Oh, and the First World War too. Let's not forget, that was caused by nationalism as well. Actually, I think Zack Snyder unintentionally added all this stuff. But that doesn't change the fact that this film IS racist on a very high degree. Anyone who says it isn't is either blind or lying. Spartans had scummy persians invading as much as THEY THEMSELVES invaded other Greek city states and enslaved them. Ever hear of Helots? There were seven slaves to every Spartan citizen in Sparta. Not seeing the racism and unintentional neo-nazi thrife in this film is just shutting your eyes. Not saying the film is bad, that's up to you to decide. But the film IS racist. Depicting the persians weak, disfigured or feminine is pretty much evidence of that. lol nice leap of logic. Nationalism - nazis because nazis were nationalistic? Thats like saying Atheism creates stalinist butchers who massacre millions. or wait, maybe carbon makes nazis... right? I mean the nazis were made up of carbon atoms... By the way if the 3rd reich was nationalistic, what were the Brits at the time? Multicultural globalists? LOL. Youre just trying to find any way to stick it to Snyder. Usually the racism and bigotry is in the eye of the beholder. And WW1 was started because of secret alliances.

[Exatreides]

That and Gavario Princip.

[Moon Knight]

Ughh....it's based off a Frank Miller Graphic Novel....Snyder didn't create these characters.