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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny Terror View Post
    Curious, are you? O.K. DAWN '04 SUCKED. BAD. One of the worst films I've ever seen. A Complete Fucking travesty. Go watch it again yourselves and honestly try and be convinced that this piece of shit has any Value. I HAAAAATED it back when it came out and despise it even more over time. It's totally gay and everyone knows it. Fuck you guys.
    bravo.



    seriously, yawn 04 is a mammoth, titanic turd. i laugh my ass right off every single time one dickhead or another comes on here and tries to enlighten us as to what a masterpiece this tripe is. twice nothing is still nothing. yawn 04 is nothing but a track meet with yowling zombies in it.

    why is it that the first line of fanboy defense is the uber lame line "you must not get it"? that isn't even uber lame it is just plain fucking stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadkrank View Post
    I liked the remake.I just did not like the mall they used.It was to phony.
    I think it would of been great if they shot it at The Mall of America? If I was to pick a mall to take cover in during a zombie crisis it would be The Mall of America.



    That's one thing that struck me funny. The mall in the original was huge, or atleast it was filmed that way. The mall in the remake was very clausterphobic. The one in the original also felt like one of the characters in the film. That's how intrigal it was to the storyline. The remake could have been filmed anywhere and still would have been virtually the same film.





    Quote Originally Posted by DjfunkmasterG View Post
    Begone? maybe you should begone, newbie.

    While you may hate DAWN 04, many of us like it, or at least enjoy it, and it BLOWS LAND out of the water. Last time I had read a LAND discussion was what 6 months to a year ago, yet DAWN 04 keeps popping up.


    I for one absolutely love dawn 04' and I'm not going to apologize for it. WTF is with this juvinile "if you like dawn 04' then you must suck balls attitude"!?!
    It's like an obsession or mental defect or something.

    You want to rail against a truly sucky film that has disrespected the GAR legacy then look no further than NOTLD 30th anniversary edition. There's plenty of ammo there.

    I for one can't stand LOTD and have only watched it twice yet you don't hear me bringing up how sucky I think it is in every other thread.

    Yes we get it, some think it sucks goat balls. Duely noted. Can we please move on now? It is only your opinion after all which in the big scheme of things, don't mean shit.










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    I don't believe that Dawn '04 could be considered cult. For all the reasons that Minion says - the movie is a mainstream horror cash-in that tries to pat itself on the back for knowing that Romero made a great movie, but fails to realize WHY Romero's movie is great. As DJ says, it's the Transformers of zombie movies. Whether you liked the movie or not is really not the matter at hand. In either case the movie wasn't cult.

    I love Darth's comment about the mall in Dawn '78 being one of the characters. It was the focal point of the story. The decisions they made revolved around the structure, layout, and amenities of the mall.

    Compared with Dawn '04 where the mall could've been a Wal-mart for all that it mattered. In fact, a Wal-mart would've been better social commentary for today's society and Dawn '04s place in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trin View Post
    I love Darth's comment about the mall in Dawn '78 being one of the characters. It was the focal point of the story. The decisions they made revolved around the structure, layout, and amenities of the mall.


    Thnx.



    If you think about it we debate runners/shamblers ad nauseum but one aspect about the two films has escaped us til' this point. Forget which one is "better" what we really should be doing is analyzing how these enemies differ thus changing the circumstances the protagonists in each respective film have to endure.

    The very nature of the enemy to a large degree forced decisions on the respective groups.

    For example, In Dawn 78' they were just riding around looking for a place to go. What does that mean?

    1)They had options !!

    2) It couldn't have been THAT dangerous out there.

    They debated the merits of scavenging the city vs. countryside. They had plans to go to canada, etc.. It was like they were on a sightseeing tour visiting airports, malls and what not.

    This of course is up until they saw virtually every material thing they could ever need in the mall and decided to stay there. This to me is a big part of where the commentary about consumerism comes in. ( As well as other parts of the film of course).


    Now let's take a look at Dawn 04'. The nature of their enemy severly limited their options. They could never have roamed the countyside like the others did. That's suicide, as we saw in the flms final scene. There's no way they could have "survived on the road all through this thing". Or even head out to restock supplies. They were where they were and they were just going to have to make the best out of it.

    They were just content to find refuge from the madness outside and it just happened to be in a mall, because as has already been pointed out, the film could have been filmed virtually anywhere.






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    Quote Originally Posted by darth los View Post
    That's one thing that struck me funny. The mall in the original was huge, or atleast it was filmed that way. The mall in the remake was very clausterphobic. The one in the original also felt like one of the characters in the film. That's how intrigal it was to the storyline. The remake could have been filmed anywhere and still would have been virtually the same film.

    Funny you should say that. The mall in the remake was actually very small, infact it was pretty old and they ended up gutting it and refurbishing it for the movie. Now its just a home to condos and townhouses.

    What looked like two floors was really only one floor. The elevator doors were actually a facade that led to the outside parking lot. The mall is really tiny and they only used half of it. the other half was sort of in use by a grocery store and a drug store.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DjfunkmasterG View Post
    Funny you should say that. The mall in the remake was actually very small, infact it was pretty old and they ended up gutting it and refurbishing it for the movie. Now its just a home to condos and townhouses.

    What looked like two floors was really only one floor. The elevator doors were actually a facade that led to the outside parking lot. The mall is really tiny and they only used half of it. the other half was sort of in use by a grocery store and a drug store.


    You've enlightened me sir.


    I knew there was something off about it the first time I saw it in theater. I don't know what techniques were used in order to try and pull off an area being bigger than it really is but they didn't do it very well.







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    Quote Originally Posted by darth los View Post
    I knew there was something off about it the first time I saw it in theater. I don't know what techniques were used in order to try and pull off an area being bigger than it really is but they didn't do it very well.
    Really? Seemed like a small galleria-type of mall to me. Though I do think some sweeping interior shots from an above floor to a lower and likewise could have established a more panoramic sense of the interior.

    Then again, I think GAR purposefully used such shots to establish the large interior world of the shopping mecca, full of almost limitless goods and products--a world unto itself and a tempting trap, of sorts. While the more simplistic Dawn 04 used the mall as an isolated interior, turned prison, without much of the nuance of the original film (of course ).
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    Quote Originally Posted by AcesandEights View Post
    Really? Seemed like a small galleria-type of mall to me. Though I do think some sweeping interior shots from an above floor to a lower and likewise could have established a more panoramic sense of the interior.

    Then again, I think GAR purposefully used such shots to establish the large interior world of the shopping mecca, full of almost limitless goods and products--a world unto itself and a tempting trap, of sorts. While the more simplistic Dawn 04 used the mall as an isolated interior, turned prison, without much of the nuance of the original film (of course ).

    I'm a big dawn 04' fan but even though you're pro-whatever you have to call them out when something is done wrong. The moment you cease to do that you become a hypocrite, lose all credibility and everything you say has to be taken with a grain of salt.


    With that said, That's why GAr is truly a master he was able to create that wide open atmosphere he wanted as well as many other things in that film on what is relatively speaking a shoestring budget compared to what snyder had to work with.


    Which is evidence that technology makes people lazy. Why be creative and innovative? Most times it's because you're forced to. The moment you have a 100,000,000 dollar budget and cgi in your arsenal it seems as if all imagination goes out the window. And that goes For snyder as well as most everybody else.








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    Quote Originally Posted by darth los View Post
    I'm a big dawn 04' fan but even though you're pro-whatever you have to call them out when something is done wrong. The moment you cease to do that you become a hypocrite, lose all credibility and everything you say has to be taken with a grain of salt.


    With that said, That's why GAr is truly a master he was able to create that wide open atmosphere he wanted as well as many other things in that film on what is relatively speaking a shoestring budget compared to what snyder had to work with.


    Which is evidence that technology makes people lazy. Why be creative and innovative? Most times it's because you're forced to. The moment you have a 100,000,000 dollar budget and cgi in your arsenal it seems as if all imagination goes out the window. And that goes For snyder as well as most everybody else.









    I agree with most of what has been said, but I think the overall imagery of the mall was to lend to the main theme for the movie itself...cosumerism. Why do we need a mall this big...why do we covet these items/products...etc...etc... I agree that the mall itself was a castmember of the 78 version...and it was not pivotal in the 04 version, however modern movies (and 04 does fall into this realm) are strictly for entertainment purposes (for the most part...and don't start whining about small art films)...what is the major theme of the torture porn movies??? anyone...anyone??? Dawn 04 should have been titled differently and then this discussion would be about how it was great...don't rip off the master and no harm will come to you. Although imitation is the truest form of flattery..right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skippy911sc View Post
    Dawn 04 should have been titled differently and then this discussion would be about how it was great...don't rip off the master and no harm will come to you. Although imitation is the truest form of flattery..right?


    Truer words were never spoken.


    Also, we've been saying that for a while now. Dawn, 04' is really a quality film (how many zombie film can you honestly say that about?) yet most here can't get past the name which is a shame.







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    Quote Originally Posted by Skippy911sc View Post
    I agree with most of what has been said, but I think the overall imagery of the mall was to lend to the main theme for the movie itself...cosumerism. Why do we need a mall this big...why do we covet these items/products...etc...etc... I agree that the mall itself was a castmember of the 78 version...and it was not pivotal in the 04 version, however modern movies (and 04 does fall into this realm) are strictly for entertainment purposes (for the most part...and don't start whining about small art films)...what is the major theme of the torture porn movies??? anyone...anyone??? Dawn 04 should have been titled differently and then this discussion would be about how it was great...don't rip off the master and no harm will come to you. Although imitation is the truest form of flattery..right?
    Dawn 04 is not a rip off, even in name, you guys put way too much stock into a title, if you just look at it as another chapter in a book called DAWN of the DEAD then you won't get so antsy about it.

    Its not like Zack set out to rip anything off, infact he did try to pay a few nice homages in the film, but its not like he or the writers sat there and said we're going to rip off the first film, because they didn't the stories are completely different.

    Remember titles are not copyright protected. Also if you are wanna cry rip off on DAWN remake you better also call it on DEAD RISING the game. Don't even stoop to, well its a game, ahhhh, no matter what, tis set in a mall, and clearly references DAWN of the DEAD, hence why Rubinstein is suing for copyright infringement. Hell Dead Rising rips off DAWN more than the 04 rehash does, and the 04 version is really neither a remake or rehash.

    None of the original Characters, even by name come back. Location and story are completely different, the only common factors are zombies and a Mall.

    Much hypocrisy arises out of the debate about DAWN 04, but no matter how you slice it, dice it mince it and mash it, DAWN 04 is basically a stand alone film.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DjfunkmasterG View Post
    Dawn 04 is not a rip off, even in name, you guys put way too much stock into a title, if you just look at it as another chapter in a book called DAWN of the DEAD then you won't get so antsy about it.

    Its not like Zack set out to rip anything off, infact he did try to pay a few nice homages in the film, but its not like he or the writers sat there and said we're going to rip off the first film, because they didn't the stories are completely different.

    Remember titles are not copyright protected. Also if you are wanna cry rip off on DAWN remake you better also call it on DEAD RISING the game. Don't even stoop to, well its a game, ahhhh, no matter what, tis set in a mall, and clearly references DAWN of the DEAD, hence why Rubinstein is suing for copyright infringement. Hell Dead Rising rips off DAWN more than the 04 rehash does, and the 04 version is really neither a remake or rehash.

    None of the original Characters, even by name come back. Location and story are completely different, the only common factors are zombies and a Mall.

    Much hypocrisy arises out of the debate about DAWN 04, but no matter how you slice it, dice it mince it and mash it, DAWN 04 is basically a stand alone film.


    Great points deej, I agree with all of it and I'll also add that, although not a direct rip-off, doesn't the title Dead Rising" sound just a little too similar to "Dead Reckoning"?


    But you're right the hypocracy most haters have for this film is rediculous.

    And don't get me wrong anyone can hate anything they please, that's not the point. It's the reasons they give for hating it, some of which you pointed out, that fall like a house of cards upon scrutiny.







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    Quote Originally Posted by darth los View Post
    Great pints deej, I agree with all of it and I'll also add that, although not a direct rip-off, doesn't the title Dead Rising" sound just a little too similar to "Dead Reckoning"?


    But you're right the hypocracy most haters have for this film is rediculous.

    And don't get me wrong anyone can hate anything they please, that's not the point. It's the reasons they give for hating it, some of which you pointed out, that fall like a house of cards upon scrutiny.







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