Michael Jackson- Cardiac Arrest

[ProfessorChaos]

the dude was pretty talented and no one can deny that he made a huge impact on the entertainment industry, revolutionized (and you could even argue, created) the concept of the music video, and made some timeless songs that still gets loads of airplay decades later... ...but, even with all the fucked-up aspects of life-long fame and super-stardom, he would have to be a pretty messed up individual to think that it's okay to be nude with children around. so while admit that a handful of his songs are on my ipod and i think it's sad his life turned out the way it did, i can't deny that i had a few lulz about kortick's joke and will most likely be telling that one at work tomorrow.

[Yojimbo]

I don't mean this to sound hostile because it is not, you are always very respectful and I appreicate your posts. I really do. However, what do you mean exactly? What exactly was inappropriate? You sound like Bill Clinton. thxleo, thanks for your kind words. Nothing here that you have written comes off to me as personally hostile- we're cool. I do agree that the term "inappropriate" as I have used it here is rather Clintonesque, so I should have been more clear. Jackson admitted that he liked to sleep with young boys in his personal bed - not appropriate for an adult male to want to sleep in bed with young boys. I think that the evidence presented in the case indicates that Jackson allowed minors in his presence access to pornography or at the very least he allowed them to know where he kept his stash of porno, which I feel is grossly inappropriate. Jackson is an adult, yet he was hosting sleepover parties with young boys staying overnight in his bedroom which to me is inappropriate behavior for an adult. Letting a young boy see your naked adult penis? Most certainly inappropriate!!!! And while I feel that what I have listed above is all inappropriate behavior for an adult, as reprehensible as it might be none of these things prove that he sexually molested that boy, they only prove that Michael Jackson was a total freak. even with all the fucked-up aspects of life-long fame and super-stardom, he would have to be a pretty messed up individual to think that it's okay to be nude with children around. I don't believe that anyone here regardless of where they stand on the issue of Jackson's guilt or innocence would argue with ProfessorChaos' statement above.

[ProfessorChaos]

it's like walter from the big lebowski says: 8 year-olds, dude.

[Yojimbo]

it's like walter from the big lebowski says: 8 year-olds, dude.

[SRP76]

I don't see what the blubbering is about. I hear he's some "greatest musician in the history of the universe", but not one of the hundreds of people I've met in my lifetime owned a single post-Thriller album from Jackson. In other words, other than on the internet (in other words, you guys), I know nobody who even cared the dude was alive for the past 25 years. Now that he's dead, all of a sudden it's an Earth-shattering event.

[ProfessorChaos]

michael jackson has been dead since the mid-1980's. the creepy robot with a strange affection for children has been merely posing as him since he died during his third?fourth?fifth? rhinoplasty surgery.

[Yojimbo]

Now that he's dead, all of a sudden it's an Earth-shattering event. Speaking as a guy who never owned any MJ album and didn't ever really care for his music or his persona even when Jackson was a "normal" little kid singing ABC or appearing as a character on Saturday morning cartoons: Even though I was never a fan the news of Jackson's death is still sad (who can deny that it is sad?) but I wouldn't exactly characterize it as "earth-shattering." I actually would say that even though this dude was relatively young, he had death staring over his shoulder for a long time and this should have been obvious to anyone who heard of his erratic and self-destructive behavior as indicated by his use of drugs, addiction to cosmetic surgery, and the general weirdness he showed anytime he opened his mouth.

[krakenslayer]

Yeah. And OJ didnt kill his wife. Oh wait, he was found not guilty. Silly us for ignoring reality and not a screwed up court system. If the courts said it, then it must be true. Like I said, If you like Jackson then I accept that this is a loss to you. Im not trying to get anyone to hate him. I just am less forgiving of pedophiles. He knew the first case against him he was going to lose, thats why you settle for cash. If he thought he could win, he would have fought it. I mean it was only his entire career and reputation on the line here, nothing serious. Yes as a person he was flawed, as we all are. But this worshipping him is beyond all sense of reality. I'm certainly not worshipping him, I'm not even really a fan of his. I just think this whole "I KNOW HE WAS GUILTY" thing is illogical nonsense. You don't know he did it, you can't know it, you have no connection or understanding of what happened except that you saw something about it on TV or in the papers (same as the rest of us) and made up all of your conclusions from there. There is evidence for, there is evidence against, but we know nothing conclusive either way and no one on this forum is in possession of the full facts of the case. You don't convict someone of a crime based purely on second-hand conjecture. Sure, the judicial system isn't perfect, but it's always gonna be in a better position to assign guilt or innocence than any armchair Joe sitting at home setting the world to rights.

[Yojimbo]

I'm certainly not worshipping him, I'm not even really a fan of his. I just think this whole "I KNOW HE WAS GUILTY" thing is illogical nonsense. You don't know he did it, you can't know it, you have no connection or understanding of what happened except that you saw something about it on TV or in the papers (same as the rest of us) and made up all of your conclusions from there. There is evidence for, there is evidence against, but we know nothing conclusive either way and no one on this forum is in possession of the full facts of the case. You don't convict someone of a crime based purely on second-hand conjecture. Sure, the judicial system isn't perfect, but it's always gonna be in a better position to assign guilt or innocence than any armchair Joe sitting at home setting the world to rights. Well put. And might I add that I find the inference that those who respect the ruling of the court and the concept of "innocent until proven guilty" are guilty of "political correctness" particulary troubling.

[major jay]

Yojimbo & Krakenslayer, you both would have made a great lawyers.

[Eyebiter]

Anyone heard of a Thriller parody song called 'Sizzler' circa 1984? Trying to find either the lyrics or a copy of the MP3 file.

[blind2d]

Nope, sorry. Hey, "Invincible" was a good album. I think his best was "Bad" though. Speed Demon, man. Dancing with a clay rabbit in the desert. Good times.

[zombieparanoia]

I don't see what the blubbering is about. I hear he's some "greatest musician in the history of the universe", but not one of the hundreds of people I've met in my lifetime owned a single post-Thriller album from Jackson. In other words, other than on the internet (in other words, you guys), I know nobody who even cared the dude was alive for the past 25 years. Now that he's dead, all of a sudden it's an Earth-shattering event. Right on, same here. You might as well have told me danny bonaduce died. The last time MJ had any even slight relevance or interest to me or anyone I knew he was black. THAT long ago. But on a side note I hear that since Elton John had already agreed to rerededicate "Candle in the wind" to Farrah Fawcett, Michael would have to get "Don't let your sun go down on me" in addition Wal-mart will be having boys pants half off in honor of Michael. And the cause of death has been revised to state that he in fact asphyxiated while blowing Bubbles.

[Neil]

Did you hear about his father? Seems he's already been working on deals to get the most out of his sons records... Hmmm...

[MaximusIncredulous]

I don't see what the blubbering is about. I hear he's some "greatest musician in the history of the universe", but not one of the hundreds of people I've met in my lifetime owned a single post-Thriller album from Jackson. In other words, other than on the internet (in other words, you guys), I know nobody who even cared the dude was alive for the past 25 years. Now that he's dead, all of a sudden it's an Earth-shattering event. Sheesh, Mozart gets dumped in a hole like a bum and this MJ gets the Jesus Christ treatment. The injustice!