All of this arguing over Rick and Shane, and yet I think Daryl is best equipped to survive all of this. He wouldn't make a good leader at all, but I best relate to Daryl because he could just say screw the group and take off, and survive on his own. I'm not exactly sure why he hasn't.
Yeah, Daryl has the best set of PA survival skills and the mentallity to make it alone in this brave new world out of everybody, no doubt about it, also agree about him not being leader material as well.
Got the impression that he and Rick were getting along well in the last episode though...possibly someone Rick will look at as a right hand man in the future...for a crazy redneck, he seems to be a man of who can be relied upon if asked to do something.
Oblivion gallops closer, favoring the spur, sparing the rein - I think we will be gone soon
Yeah, Daryl has the best set of PA survival skills and the mentallity to make it alone in this brave new world out of everybody, no doubt about it, also agree about him not being leader material as well.
Got the impression that he and Rick were getting along well in the last episode though...possibly someone Rick will look at as a right hand man in the future...for a crazy redneck, he seems to be a man of who can be relied upon if asked to do something.
Agreed, he would clearly be fine on his own in most circumstances. Also Rick is doing well with Daryl as his enforcer, punisher, torturer, and muscle.
@ Wyld I wish you the same brother, life and luck to you and yours.
As to the horde/herd in the woods, perhaps they were brought to the area more and more over time, the sounds of barnageddon, and all the rest. Then the sounds died so they went dormant, but they got closer and closer with each sound or each outburst... in this episode they said the creek was drying up unless I misheard which would mean it was no longer acting as a barrier. That is my theory on that.
No. You heard correctly, nice call...if it dries up, all those harmless lone walkers that Otis used to find stuck in the mud are going to be a problem.
Oblivion gallops closer, favoring the spur, sparing the rein - I think we will be gone soon
No. You heard correctly, nice call...if it dries up, all those harmless lone walkers that Otis used to find stuck in the mud are going to be a problem.
Exactly so what used to stop them in their tracks (literally) no longer does so and they are free to roam about and congregate and form a herd and when Carl fires the gun ('EFFIN CARL!!!) he draws in all of the zombies from the area around the farm that are no longer impeded by the water or mud...
well, shane wasnt totally out of his mind. notice how he tried to give the gun to carl....and he refuses.....but rick offers him the same gun......so they both had the right idea. goes to show the chick drove him crazy but when it came to carl he was just fine
@ babomb - Here is the full transcript of what my mate posted on Facebook WARNING - DO NOT READ THIS UNLESS YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY SURE YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW THE SEASON ENDS, CANT STRESS ENOUGH, MAJOR SPOILERS, IF YOU READ THIS AND RUIN IT FOR YOURSELF, DONT BLAME ME!!!!!!
Shot opens in Atlanta: a group of walkers are feasting on what looks like Rick's horse, or what's left of it, when they're startled by the sound of a helicopter flying overhead. The horde migrates over several days, weeks, a great distance, and eventually comes to a fence. The fence bows and breaks under the relentless forward motion of the walkers. The herd presses on. Wandering aimlessly in the forest, the walkers turn as a gunshot goes off like a beacon, leading them to dinner.
Soon they are closing in on Rick and Carl, as they leave the scene of Shane's murder.
Daryl and Glenn arrive back at the farmhouse. They explain that they heard a gunshot, and share their confounding findings about Randall.
As they walk back to the house, Carl asks Rick about what happened to Shane. Soon after, they notice the walkers bearing down on them, and it's not long before they are overtaken and have to make a run for the barn.
Back at the house, the rest of the survivors are just figuring out that Carl is missing and walkers are approaching. Lori is panicking. Hershel passes out the guns.
The horde is making quick work of the barn. Rick dumps gasoline everywhere, busts open the door to lure the zombies inside, and climbs up to the loft with Carl. Carl drops a lighter into the gasoline-soaked hay, igniting everything in sight.
Meanwhile, the men and Andrea shoot from their cars in a futile attempt to corral the herd and buy time.
Finally, Daryl figures out that Rick and Carl must be in the barn, and instructs Jimmy to drive the RV to the barn to rescue them. Rick and Carl manage to barely escape, while Jimmy is devoured inside the RV. Blood is everywhere, coating the windshield.
The survivors are starting to run out of ammo. The horde is too large.The women hold hands and make a run for it as Hershel makes a last stand for the farmhouse. They are just about clear when Patricia is attacked from the side and is devoured while Beth is still holding onto her.
Carol is headed off by a few walkers and backed into a corner with nothing but a plank of wood to defend herself. Andrea saves her but is attacked from behind and gets pinned under a walker
T-dog pulls his car around, but quickly has to leave the scene with Beth and Lori before the car is overtaken.
Glenn tells Maggie that the farm is lost; they have to get off the farm, now. Hershel comes to the same realization, almost too late, as a walker sneaks up from behind. Rick saves Herschel and they along with Carl head out in their own direction. Glenn and Maggie take off as well. Daryl finds Carol about to collapse from running, and they speed off together on Daryl's motorcycle.
Andrea is abandoned. The barn collapses into the flames. And we're not even halfway done.
The group is now scattered. Glenn and Maggie switch places in the car as Maggie breaks down and can't continue driving. Glenn says they need to make their way to the highway, but Maggie protests that the herd came from that direction. Glenn finally tells Maggie that he loves her.
Rick, Carl, and Hershel arrive at the highway, where they left the care package for Sophia, hoping that the others will think to rendezvous here. Hershel is ready to part ways, but Rick wants to stick together.
Lori and T-Dog argue over where to drive. T-Dog wants to head to the coast, but Lori threatens to jump out of the car if he doesn't turn around and go back to the highway.
A walker appears on the highway.
A walker appears on the highway. Rick is about to give up on waiting any longer, but… in the nick of time, the other survivors arrive. Time for a head count:
Shane - dead
Andrea - missing
Patricia - taken by the walkers
Jimmy - splattered all over the RV
Meanwhile, Andrea is running for her life in the woods, but the walkers pursue her tirelessly. She can't keep this up for long. Walkers are emerging from the trees in random directions as Andrea shoots to clear a path.
The survivors leave the highway, pushing onward, but soon run out of gas. Several people start to panic and are on the verge of giving up. Rick tries to pull everyone together. The conversation turns to Randall and Shane. Rick has to come clean. He reveals that the secret Jenner whispered to him at the CDC was that everyone is a carrier of the infection. The group is not happy that Rick has kept this from them.
Lori and Rick talk privately. Rick tells her what went down with Shane, and confesses that it wasn't just self-defense… he wanted Shane dead, he was tired of Shane dogging him and acting like Rick stole Lori and Carl from him. Lori freaks out when she finds out Carl's role in Shane's death and withdraws from Rick, refusing to let him touch her.
Andrea is exhausted. This is the end of the line. She can't carry her gun-bag any longer, her pistol is out of ammo -- she bashes in a walker's head with it -- now she's down to knives, another walker practically on top of her… enter Michonne to save Andrea at the last minute, towing two armless walkers in chains, samurai sword in hand.
The rest of the survivors set up camp in the middle of nowhere. They may have found each other again amid the chaos, but the group is still broken.
Many are ready to run off into the dark and leave Rick behind, fend for themselves. They are on the verge of splitting up again, when Rick takes back control... he says they're not going anywhere; he killed his best friend for them. This isn't a democracy anymore.
The camera pans up… in the distance looms a prison facility.
No. You heard correctly, nice call...if it dries up, all those harmless lone walkers that Otis used to find stuck in the mud are going to be a problem.
if its getting cold......the zomibes are gonna have a tough time getting around. also....wouldnt it help to build a moat around the side of the farm where the creek is? something tells me daryl figured out where his gun is
-- -------- Post added at 03:28 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:22 PM ----------
Originally Posted by Tricky
@ babomb - Here is the full transcript of what my mate posted on Facebook WARNING - DO NOT READ THIS UNLESS YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY SURE YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW THE SEASON ENDS, CANT STRESS ENOUGH, MAJOR SPOILERS, IF YOU READ THIS AND RUIN IT FOR YOURSELF, DONT BLAME ME!!!!!!
Shot opens in Atlanta: a group of walkers are feasting on what looks like Rick's horse, or what's left of it, when they're startled by the sound of a helicopter flying overhead. The horde migrates over several days, weeks, a great distance, and eventually comes to a fence. The fence bows and breaks under the relentless forward motion of the walkers. The herd presses on. Wandering aimlessly in the forest, the walkers turn as a gunshot goes off like a beacon, leading them to dinner.
Soon they are closing in on Rick and Carl, as they leave the scene of Shane's murder.
Daryl and Glenn arrive back at the farmhouse. They explain that they heard a gunshot, and share their confounding findings about Randall.
As they walk back to the house, Carl asks Rick about what happened to Shane. Soon after, they notice the walkers bearing down on them, and it's not long before they are overtaken and have to make a run for the barn.
Back at the house, the rest of the survivors are just figuring out that Carl is missing and walkers are approaching. Lori is panicking. Hershel passes out the guns.
The horde is making quick work of the barn. Rick dumps gasoline everywhere, busts open the door to lure the zombies inside, and climbs up to the loft with Carl. Carl drops a lighter into the gasoline-soaked hay, igniting everything in sight.
Meanwhile, the men and Andrea shoot from their cars in a futile attempt to corral the herd and buy time.
Finally, Daryl figures out that Rick and Carl must be in the barn, and instructs Jimmy to drive the RV to the barn to rescue them. Rick and Carl manage to barely escape, while Jimmy is devoured inside the RV. Blood is everywhere, coating the windshield.
The survivors are starting to run out of ammo. The horde is too large.The women hold hands and make a run for it as Hershel makes a last stand for the farmhouse. They are just about clear when Patricia is attacked from the side and is devoured while Beth is still holding onto her.
Carol is headed off by a few walkers and backed into a corner with nothing but a plank of wood to defend herself. Andrea saves her but is attacked from behind and gets pinned under a walker
T-dog pulls his car around, but quickly has to leave the scene with Beth and Lori before the car is overtaken.
Glenn tells Maggie that the farm is lost; they have to get off the farm, now. Hershel comes to the same realization, almost too late, as a walker sneaks up from behind. Rick saves Herschel and they along with Carl head out in their own direction. Glenn and Maggie take off as well. Daryl finds Carol about to collapse from running, and they speed off together on Daryl's motorcycle.
Andrea is abandoned. The barn collapses into the flames. And we're not even halfway done.
The group is now scattered. Glenn and Maggie switch places in the car as Maggie breaks down and can't continue driving. Glenn says they need to make their way to the highway, but Maggie protests that the herd came from that direction. Glenn finally tells Maggie that he loves her.
Rick, Carl, and Hershel arrive at the highway, where they left the care package for Sophia, hoping that the others will think to rendezvous here. Hershel is ready to part ways, but Rick wants to stick together.
Lori and T-Dog argue over where to drive. T-Dog wants to head to the coast, but Lori threatens to jump out of the car if he doesn't turn around and go back to the highway.
A walker appears on the highway.
A walker appears on the highway. Rick is about to give up on waiting any longer, but… in the nick of time, the other survivors arrive. Time for a head count:
Shane - dead
Andrea - missing
Patricia - taken by the walkers
Jimmy - splattered all over the RV
Meanwhile, Andrea is running for her life in the woods, but the walkers pursue her tirelessly. She can't keep this up for long. Walkers are emerging from the trees in random directions as Andrea shoots to clear a path.
The survivors leave the highway, pushing onward, but soon run out of gas. Several people start to panic and are on the verge of giving up. Rick tries to pull everyone together. The conversation turns to Randall and Shane. Rick has to come clean. He reveals that the secret Jenner whispered to him at the CDC was that everyone is a carrier of the infection. The group is not happy that Rick has kept this from them.
Lori and Rick talk privately. Rick tells her what went down with Shane, and confesses that it wasn't just self-defense… he wanted Shane dead, he was tired of Shane dogging him and acting like Rick stole Lori and Carl from him. Lori freaks out when she finds out Carl's role in Shane's death and withdraws from Rick, refusing to let him touch her.
Andrea is exhausted. This is the end of the line. She can't carry her gun-bag any longer, her pistol is out of ammo -- she bashes in a walker's head with it -- now she's down to knives, another walker practically on top of her… enter Michonne to save Andrea at the last minute, towing two armless walkers in chains, samurai sword in hand.
The rest of the survivors set up camp in the middle of nowhere. They may have found each other again amid the chaos, but the group is still broken.
Many are ready to run off into the dark and leave Rick behind, fend for themselves. They are on the verge of splitting up again, when Rick takes back control... he says they're not going anywhere; he killed his best friend for them. This isn't a democracy anymore.
The camera pans up… in the distance looms a prison facility.
well, shane wasnt totally out of his mind. notice how he tried to give the gun to carl....and he refuses.....but rick offers him the same gun......so they both had the right idea. goes to show the chick drove him crazy but when it came to carl he was just fine
Watching him slap himself in the shed with Randal was deeply troubling, you just knew he was about to do something dark.
Oblivion gallops closer, favoring the spur, sparing the rein - I think we will be gone soon
Watching him slap himself in the shed with Randal was deeply troubling, you just knew he was about to do something dark.
Him trying to give the gun to Carl was wrong, he is not his father... nor his mother. You do not arm a child without that child's permission. UNLESS the zombies are are their way in and you have no choice, in that case that is a decision for Carl's parents.
Him slapping himself and so much else he did through the seasons were clear signs he was losing it. Dating back to the subtle looks in season 1... to him pounding the crap out of Ed in a deserved but over the top fashion given the situation, shaving his head, and so on down the line. Shane has been painted very well by the writers and actor as a man slowly losing himself and "it".
He has been an enjoyable character, and yes the slapping of the head and staring and pointing the gun were brilliantly done signs of the coming explosion.
I loved Jon Bernthal's portrayal of Shane throughout the series and wish him well in the future.
Watching him slap himself in the shed with Randal was deeply troubling, you just knew he was about to do something dark.
well wouldnt u do the same thing to someone like randall?
-- -------- Post added at 04:15 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:14 PM ----------
Originally Posted by Thorn
Him trying to give the gun to Carl was wrong, he is not his father... nor his mother. You do not arm a child without that child's permission. UNLESS the zombies are are their way in and you have no choice, in that case that is a decision for Carl's parents.
Him slapping himself and so much else he did through the seasons were clear signs he was losing it. Dating back to the subtle looks in season 1... to him pounding the crap out of Ed in a deserved but over the top fashion given the situation, shaving his head, and so on down the line. Shane has been painted very well by the writers and actor as a man slowly losing himself and "it".
He has been an enjoyable character, and yes the slapping of the head and staring and pointing the gun were brilliantly done signs of the coming explosion.
I loved Jon Bernthal's portrayal of Shane throughout the series and wish him well in the future.
so who's responsible for him going crazy and being killed? himself or lori?
well wouldnt u do the same thing to someone like randall?[COLOR="Silver"]
Ace, what he did with Randall was try to engineer a situation where he could murder his best friend so he could take his family off him and become the leader (his BS story about Randall taking his gun was so that he could blame Randall for the murder as well).
I would have left Randall on the fence he was impaled on...if I was feeling merciful, I would have put a bullet in his head to save him being eaten alive.
Oblivion gallops closer, favoring the spur, sparing the rein - I think we will be gone soon
@ babomb - Here is the full transcript of what my mate posted on Facebook WARNING - DO NOT READ THIS UNLESS YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY SURE YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW THE SEASON ENDS, CANT STRESS ENOUGH, MAJOR SPOILERS, IF YOU READ THIS AND RUIN IT FOR YOURSELF, DONT BLAME ME!!!!!!
Shot opens in Atlanta: a group of walkers are feasting on what looks like Rick's horse, or what's left of it, when they're startled by the sound of a helicopter flying overhead. The horde migrates over several days, weeks, a great distance, and eventually comes to a fence. The fence bows and breaks under the relentless forward motion of the walkers. The herd presses on. Wandering aimlessly in the forest, the walkers turn as a gunshot goes off like a beacon, leading them to dinner.
Soon they are closing in on Rick and Carl, as they leave the scene of Shane's murder.
Daryl and Glenn arrive back at the farmhouse. They explain that they heard a gunshot, and share their confounding findings about Randall.
As they walk back to the house, Carl asks Rick about what happened to Shane. Soon after, they notice the walkers bearing down on them, and it's not long before they are overtaken and have to make a run for the barn.
Back at the house, the rest of the survivors are just figuring out that Carl is missing and walkers are approaching. Lori is panicking. Hershel passes out the guns.
The horde is making quick work of the barn. Rick dumps gasoline everywhere, busts open the door to lure the zombies inside, and climbs up to the loft with Carl. Carl drops a lighter into the gasoline-soaked hay, igniting everything in sight.
Meanwhile, the men and Andrea shoot from their cars in a futile attempt to corral the herd and buy time.
Finally, Daryl figures out that Rick and Carl must be in the barn, and instructs Jimmy to drive the RV to the barn to rescue them. Rick and Carl manage to barely escape, while Jimmy is devoured inside the RV. Blood is everywhere, coating the windshield.
The survivors are starting to run out of ammo. The horde is too large.The women hold hands and make a run for it as Hershel makes a last stand for the farmhouse. They are just about clear when Patricia is attacked from the side and is devoured while Beth is still holding onto her.
Carol is headed off by a few walkers and backed into a corner with nothing but a plank of wood to defend herself. Andrea saves her but is attacked from behind and gets pinned under a walker
T-dog pulls his car around, but quickly has to leave the scene with Beth and Lori before the car is overtaken.
Glenn tells Maggie that the farm is lost; they have to get off the farm, now. Hershel comes to the same realization, almost too late, as a walker sneaks up from behind. Rick saves Herschel and they along with Carl head out in their own direction. Glenn and Maggie take off as well. Daryl finds Carol about to collapse from running, and they speed off together on Daryl's motorcycle.
Andrea is abandoned. The barn collapses into the flames. And we're not even halfway done.
The group is now scattered. Glenn and Maggie switch places in the car as Maggie breaks down and can't continue driving. Glenn says they need to make their way to the highway, but Maggie protests that the herd came from that direction. Glenn finally tells Maggie that he loves her.
Rick, Carl, and Hershel arrive at the highway, where they left the care package for Sophia, hoping that the others will think to rendezvous here. Hershel is ready to part ways, but Rick wants to stick together.
Lori and T-Dog argue over where to drive. T-Dog wants to head to the coast, but Lori threatens to jump out of the car if he doesn't turn around and go back to the highway.
A walker appears on the highway.
A walker appears on the highway. Rick is about to give up on waiting any longer, but… in the nick of time, the other survivors arrive. Time for a head count:
Shane - dead
Andrea - missing
Patricia - taken by the walkers
Jimmy - splattered all over the RV
Meanwhile, Andrea is running for her life in the woods, but the walkers pursue her tirelessly. She can't keep this up for long. Walkers are emerging from the trees in random directions as Andrea shoots to clear a path.
The survivors leave the highway, pushing onward, but soon run out of gas. Several people start to panic and are on the verge of giving up. Rick tries to pull everyone together. The conversation turns to Randall and Shane. Rick has to come clean. He reveals that the secret Jenner whispered to him at the CDC was that everyone is a carrier of the infection. The group is not happy that Rick has kept this from them.
Lori and Rick talk privately. Rick tells her what went down with Shane, and confesses that it wasn't just self-defense… he wanted Shane dead, he was tired of Shane dogging him and acting like Rick stole Lori and Carl from him. Lori freaks out when she finds out Carl's role in Shane's death and withdraws from Rick, refusing to let him touch her.
Andrea is exhausted. This is the end of the line. She can't carry her gun-bag any longer, her pistol is out of ammo -- she bashes in a walker's head with it -- now she's down to knives, another walker practically on top of her… enter Michonne to save Andrea at the last minute, towing two armless walkers in chains, samurai sword in hand.
The rest of the survivors set up camp in the middle of nowhere. They may have found each other again amid the chaos, but the group is still broken.
Many are ready to run off into the dark and leave Rick behind, fend for themselves. They are on the verge of splitting up again, when Rick takes back control... he says they're not going anywhere; he killed his best friend for them. This isn't a democracy anymore.
The camera pans up… in the distance looms a prison facility.
Fuckin awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for that Tricky!! Man, if all that's actually true(which I don't really doubt, but ya never know), I'd consider parting with a body part(not that one) to have season 3 here right now! Damn!!!
-- -------- Post added at 10:34 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:32 PM ----------
Originally Posted by Wyldwraith
Every single viewer knew and understood that this was where Shane died.
**ummm hand up** I didn't!
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