TWD 2x13 "Beside The Dying Fire" episode discussion... **SPOILERS WITHIN**

[Moon Knight]

Yeah, I don't know about those statics you got there. I've barely had any formal training except maybe two hours from a police officer relative and i'm a pretty good shot with handguns, rifles, and shotguns. It's not exactly rocket science.... Besides, at the end of the day it's still just a tv show... Exactly. In a world where zombies exist things like that don't bother me as long as its still well made.

[MinionZombie]

As I remember it, he never actually shot at the swamp zombie. He was getting all gangster around it, goading it, and then it slipped out of the mud and Carl scarpered. Plus there is that thing of kids suddenly taking on super strength to lift a car off their parent or whatever, you know those crazy stories you hear about kids doing incredible things in moments of chaos ... plus Carl had training and was proving to be a pretty good shot much earlier in season two.

[MagicMoonMonkey]

I remember conversations held within the old forums about how great it would be if someone created a zombie tv series. Who would ever have imagined that when the The Walking Dead comic was released almost 8 years ago that it would birth the most epic zombie movie that will ever be created. Nothing will ever surpass this. And there is so much more to come. Can it get any better than this? Most of us know what goes on at the Prison due to the comic books, and how it will no doubt differ in many ways, but I have had an idea for season 4... AMC... Just do a variation the the original Day of the Dead script. Don't have Bub, or any other gunweilding zombies, have the idea of fighting fire with fire being theorised and tested. Get a season long military heavy season and... Bang... Epic Zombie Movie Utopia. Anyways, back on track... That episode was nothing short of fantastic and I can not wait to see what Season 3 has in store for us all.

[Ragnarr]

To the comic book fans, I must apologize beforehand for my ignorance. Who exactly IS the chick with the katana, but more importantly why does she walk about with two zombies on chains? Are they trophies or are they more like those foo-foo dogs obese ladies take for walkies up & down the street? "C'mon Zombo! C'mon Shambler! Time for walkies! Aw, you're such GOOD zombies, aren't you! Yes you ARE! Yes you ARE!" (lmao) I mean, wouldn't it be a real bugger if she had to hurry up in some situation, but her two "pets" were slowing her down to a stagger? Oh crap, what if they got their chains tangled around her at the worst possible moment? Hmm... I wonder if zombies can have fleas.

[Andy]

To the comic book fans, I must apologize beforehand for my ignorance. Who exactly IS the chick with the katana, but more importantly why does she walk about with two zombies on chains? Are they trophies or are they more like those foo-foo dogs obese ladies take for walkies up & down the street? "C'mon Zombo! C'mon Shambler! Time for walkies! Aw, you're such GOOD zombies, aren't you! Yes you ARE! Yes you ARE!" (lmao) I mean, wouldn't it be a real bugger if she had to hurry up in some situation, but her two "pets" were slowing her down to a stagger? Oh crap, what if they got their chains tangled around her at the worst possible moment? Hmm...   Her name is michonne and she was a fencing champion and attourney pre-zompocalypse, the 2 zombies that accompany her are her former boyfriend and brother (i think) who she was able to restrain and control. She cut their arms and lower jaws off to make it impossible for them to attack her and she spends months training the aggression out of them. She walks around with them as they keep other zombies from paying too much attention to her, kinda like the thing rick and glenn did with zombie guts but without getting messy.. as soon as she joins up with the group though she no longer needs them and kills them both straight away. Its been a long time since i read her introduction which was volume 3 or 4 of the comics but i think thats pretty accurate. Feel free to correct me if it isnt anyone.

[Sammich]

Few people can naturally shoot a firearm. Training and repetition until the movements become gross motor skills requires up to 500 hours of training, dry fire drills and 1000s of rounds downrange under the supervision of trained instructors per individual weapon. I would tend to believe an actual zombie uprising than the Navy SEAL headshot accuracy of Lori from the porch with a double action .38 Chief's Special snub nose. I completely agree with you. I worked many years at an indoor range and saw more armchair video warriors that I could count get a wakeup to the reality that shooting an actual firearm isn't point, click, boom headshot. Usually after the first round these guys would be flinching so much hardly anything would stay on the paper, especially when they insisted on shooting a .44 mag for the first time. Shooting an actual rifle or shotgun is definitely not the same as a no recoil no muzzleblast air gun either. Also, shooting at static targets while in a non-stress stationary relaxed position is completely different that trying to shoot at a moving target (especially a small target like a head) is also threatening to kill you. During a high stress situation co-ordination skill degrage significantly, which is why there is a thing called "muscle memory" that many of the firearms defense instructors stress through repetition of actions. Repeated drawing and dry firing is one of the basics. As for police, the only time we would see many of them at the range was right before their yearly qualifications and they were some of the worst shots and violators of the range rules. After that, it came to no surprise of hearing of cops letting loose with 60+ rounds and only hitting a suspect 3 times if at all.

[bassman]

Its been a long time since i read her introduction which was volume 3 or 4 of the comics but i think thats pretty accurate. Feel free to correct me if it isnt anyone. That sounds about right to me. Although I too haven't read those issues in a while.... For more about Michonne's origins, Kirkman just released a small comic within the latest issue of Playboy that shows where she was when the ZA began.

[rongravy]

How can/do you train the aggression out of zombies? I was wondering why her chained pets didn't still try to get all up in that, regardless of being able to "seal the deal", so to speak. It did look supercool, though. I can't wait to see more of her.

[Legion2213]

Dear sweet jeebus! Just finished watching it - Incredible. TV this good is probably breaking several laws of nature, the first 20 minutes was insane action, the last 20 minutes insane drama. I'm still reeling from the awesome of it all. My "Lori hatered-o-meter" went completely off the scale tonight as well...she needs to be murdered, what a horrible shitty little character she is. Oh, did anybody whisper "like a boss" when we had the shot of Daryl just sitting there on his chopper taking in the scenes as everything burned and died? -- -------- Post added at 03:34 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:29 AM ---------- Time to finally start reading my first 4 hardback volumes of the comic that have been sitting around for many, many months now...tide me over until season 3.

[darth los]

You know, regarding the suspension of disbelief thing, I find it infinitely hilarious that the most of the people who say things like " if you can believe that the dead can rise than why is eveyone being a crack shot suddenly bothering you?" are normally the first ones to say " OMG running zombies!?! How dumb is that? Everyone knows zombies don't run." LMFAO!

[Neil]

You know, regarding the suspension of disbelief thing, I find it infinitely hilarious that the most of the people who say things like " if you can believe that the dead can rise than why is eveyone being a crack shot suddenly bothering you?" In short, one is necessary, the other is not. To have a drama set in a zombie infested world, we need to make the leap of faith of zombies existing. We don't need to give everyone super human shooting abilities I must admit everyone being super crack shots from moving/bouncing vehicles annoyed me a bit!

[MinionZombie]

Oh, did anybody whisper "like a boss" when we had the shot of Daryl just sitting there on his chopper taking in the scenes as everything burned and died? hahaha! Yep, I certainly did. *like a boss...*

[LouCipherr]

Oh, did anybody whisper "like a boss" when we had the shot of Daryl just sitting there on his chopper taking in the scenes as everything burned and died? hahaha! Yep, I certainly did. *like a boss...* Guilty as charged. Am I the only one who's bummed that there's humans still wandering around? Is that wrong?

[MinionZombie]

Am I the only one who's bummed that there's humans still wandering around? Is that wrong? Yes ... because you are weird ... that is all.

[LouCipherr]

Yes ... because you are weird ... that is all. I wear that badge proudly, my friend.