TWD 4x16 "A" episode discussion (Season 4 Finale) ... **SPOILERS WITHIN**

[DayoftheZ]

So the earlier version was cut? OMG that's annoying as that's the one I've been recording/watching! I don’t know if it has been the case for previous episodes but this one most certainly was. I sat and fast forwarded through both and there were defiantly the cuts that I described above. When they are repeated I am going to re-record them and skip through to see if I have missed anything else watching the 9pm one.

[MinionZombie]

So the earlier version was cut? OMG that's annoying as that's the one I've been recording/watching! Grrr! I've been stacking them up at the 9pm slot on my Sky+ so I can rewatch them later! Does anyone know when they'll re-show the back-half of season 4 at a 10pm time slot? I don’t know if it has been the case for previous episodes but this one most certainly was. I sat and fast forwarded through both and there were defiantly the cuts that I described above. When they are repeated I am going to re-record them and skip through to see if I have missed anything else watching the 9pm one. There were some cuts to season one on DVD/Blu-Ray for the UK release, but that was by accident. Every episode except for the back half of season 4 has aired at 10pm and uncut on FX/Fox UK (on a Friday, too) ... these last eight episodes however, have been at a new time of 9pm on Mondays. I had wondered if, at 9pm (the beginning of the "watershed") that there might be cuts to violence (in the UK The Walking Dead is rated 18 due to violence and gore ... meanwhile it's rated 14 in America!), and by the sounds of it - there we go. FFS! At least they're showing it uncut at 10pm by the sounds of it, so they must be replacing that particular slot with the uncut version on their "Fox+1" channel ... but why not just show the thing at 10pm and leave it uncut, rather than show it butchered only to show it uncut straight after?! *EDIT* Yeah, just checked for myself on 4x16 - the walker chewing out the guy's eye is completely missing. The cut is slickly made in that particular instance, but I can imagine there'll be some evident cuts throughout the rest of the episodes aired at 9pm. Only repeats of 4x16 over the next week, so I'll have to keep an eye out for repeats of 4x09 through 4x16 at 10pm or later. No way am I re-watching the episodes in some stupid censored form. Finally Fox UK gets around to showing the episodes the following day (that original five day wait was ridiculous for 1x01 through 4x08), but they butcher them for a 9pm slot. Just show them first and uncut at 10pm ffs! And of course, they're not going to tell anyone they're cutting them as people won't like that - well then don't cut them and just show them at 10pm first! /nerdrage

[Neil]

Finally Fox UK gets around to showing the episodes the following day (that original five day wait was ridiculous for 1x01 through 4x08), but they butcher them for a 9pm slot. Just show them first and uncut at 10pm ffs! And of course, they're not going to tell anyone they're cutting them as people won't like that - well then don't cut them and just show them at 10pm first! /nerdrage Especially when there's not a single mention of cuts being made, and an alternative showing being available which isn't cut.

[DayoftheZ]

There were some cuts to season one on DVD/Blu-Ray for the UK release, but that was by accident. So did they ever get put back in MZ? Yeah, just checked for myself on 4x16 - the walker chewing out the guy's eye is completely missing. The cut is slickly made in that particular instance, but I can imagine there'll be some evident cuts throughout the rest of the episodes aired at 9pm. It was a decent cut but having seen the full cut it is quite noticeable and Carl’s reaction seems a little off. For those that haven’t seen it you have to because it is one of the better “walker on human kills” across all four series. The episode is much stronger for having it in. Finally Fox UK gets around to showing the episodes the following day (that original five day wait was ridiculous for 1x01 through 4x08), but they butcher them for a 9pm slot. Just show them first and uncut at 10pm ffs! And of course, they're not going to tell anyone they're cutting them as people won't like that - well then don't cut them and just show them at 10pm first! /nerdrage Strange isn’t it. I mean the main reason I signed up was because I had searched the net to see if it had been spotted by anybody else with no success. I wouldn’t have seen it either if I hadn’t watched the UK version earlier that day. Like you I will have to look out for the repeats to see what else I have missed. At least I have been able to point it out to you all so you can all catch the uncut version. Reply in quote.

[ProfessorChaos]

anybody else think that the dude who got his face chewed could have got away? dude had about a ten-foot wide hole to run through in the crowd of walkers, but chose to stand there screaming and dancing around like a total jackass. kinda makes you wonder how he survived almost two years or however long it's been into the walker outbreak....or if he was just thrown into the script to satisfy the gore-porn crowd who bitch if there's not enough walker action each week.

[Neil]

anybody else think that the dude who got his face chewed could have got away? dude had about a ten-foot wide hole to run through in the crowd of walkers, but chose to stand there screaming and dancing around like a total jackass. He reminds me of the guy who Peter shoots on the way out of the Mall in Dawn of the Dead. If you look you can see zombies approaching in from the sides and the rear - none from the front. Yet this is the only direction he's machine gunning

[AcesandEights]

anybody else think that the dude who got his face chewed could have got away? dude had about a ten-foot wide hole to run through in the crowd of walkers, but chose to stand there screaming and dancing around like a total jackass. Yes, I mentioned on the bottom of page 1 that I assumed he had been hurt or was exhausted and that he was a waste of resources as he seemed just tacked on to the script to throw in some gore.

[ProfessorChaos]

^ must've missed that one doug, sorry. there was quite a flurry of activity in this thread within an hour or two after the credits rolled. i just brought it up because they were discussing how some of the gore from that particular bit was cut during the uk broadcast. and neil, yes, it is a very similar situation i suppose. that dude had a gun at least, he could have just offed himself rather than get bit. i think that's what i'd do in a no-way-out situation like that. the dude in TWD had a clear path of escape, though, and instead just made a silly little "nowhere to go" type dance....kinda takes you out of the moment. i think they could have framed that shot in a way that made it much more believable.

[MinionZombie]

DayoftheZ: The accidental cuts to Season One, on the UK release, as far as I'm aware have never been restored. For that reason, plus the fact that a special edition was only released in America with a bunch of awesome extras, I imported season one from America. Now - I looked at my stacked-up episodes on my Sky+ closer and, weirdly, only 4x16 was recorded in a 9pm slot - all of the other seven episodes were recorded at 10pm - so those other seven should, in sound theory at least, be unscathed. I'm not positive, but that would be my assumption. I'm re-recording 4x16 tomorrow morning at 1am (i.e. "tonight" so-to-speak ... 'Thursday 1am') - it's repeated throughout the week in post-10pm slots, so all of those should be uncut. I hadn't particularly paid attention to when the episodes were airing (i.e. 9pm or 10pm), so got a bit confused, but the info on the Sky+ says 4x09 through 4x15 were all recorded in the 10pm slot ... so I reckon those were untouched. But that raises a question - why was 4x16 - the season finale - aired cut at 9pm rather than the usual 10pm slot? Were they trying out something new to see if they could get more people watching? But who the hell wants to watch a censored version of TWD anyway? So - re-record 4x16 and I think we'll be sorted ... unless you're aware of any other cuts to 4x09 through 4x15, DayoftheZ? Either way, I'm glad you signed on to HPOTD to raise this issue. He reminds me of the guy who Peter shoots on the way out of the Mall in Dawn of the Dead. If you look you can see zombies approaching in from the sides and the rear - none from the front. Yet this is the only direction he's machine gunning That bit always bugs me, but I kinda laugh at it too. I suppose practically speaking they couldn't have extras coming from that direction because: 1) They'd probably block the camera. 2) It'd be unsafe to have them that close to blank firing machine gun. 3) No cheap or effective CGI at the time. Yes, I mentioned on the bottom of page 1 that I assumed he had been hurt or was exhausted and that he was a waste of resources as he seemed just tacked on to the script to throw in some gore. I disagree. It was more than just gore, to me. Carl goes running off like a bat out of hell when he hears the scream and Rick has to pull him back into hiding when he sees how swarmed the guy is. Carl wants to help the man, but he's too gung-ho to realise that the odds are totally against him and that, even if he did intervene, he'd be too late anyway (too many walkers, so they guy would get bitten anyway by at least one of them) ... Rick's take on it is that he sees they're seriously outnumbered and they just don't have enough time. It's a harsh choice to make, but it had to be that way - Carl hasn't learned that yet ... and it was important to see him watching this horrific act unfold and their part in it happening. As for the man himself - even though he's lasting this long, we don't know his circumstances - he might have had a cosy old billet where he barely had to lift a finger when it came to the cut throat business of surviving the walkers etc. Think of the sheltered folks of Woodbury behind their walls and fences supping on refridgerated lemonade. Also, backed into a relative corner (not literally, necessarily) his mind might have finally snapped and he just got overwhelmed - and, importantly - wasn't thinking. Similarly, Carl wasn't thinking too clearly either. The man's snap decision was to panic. Carl's snap decision was to help the man without assessing his chances of survival.

[kidgloves]

Yep, its definitely been cut. What a crock

[DayoftheZ]

DayoftheZ: But that raises a question - why was 4x16 - the season finale - aired cut at 9pm rather than the usual 10pm slot? Were they trying out something new to see if they could get more people watching? But who the hell wants to watch a censored version of TWD anyway? So - re-record 4x16 and I think we'll be sorted ... unless you're aware of any other cuts to 4x09 through 4x15, DayoftheZ? Either way, I'm glad you signed on to HPOTD to raise this issue. 4x9 to 4x15 were recorded at 9pm for me so sadly I need to make sure I fill those gaps in when they repeat. I re-recorded 4x16 minus the cuts last night so I am good on that one. I didn't see the American pace version of those episodes so am not aware of any cuts, but it stands to reason that there must be based on this being cut. It seems to be mainly violence against humans being tampered with so there is plenty that could have been messed with. I might just have to get round to buying the first four series on DVD.

[kidgloves]

AMC have released a photo of a deleted scene from the finale which puts a different spin on what some of us comic readers think Terminus is in relation to the human remains Thoughts?

[Moon Knight]

AMC have released a photo of a deleted scene from the finale which puts a different spin on what some of us comic readers think Terminus is in relation to the human remains Thoughts?     Hmmm, were they trying to imply that walkers ate the meat off them bones? Edit: added the spoiler tags.

[MoonSylver]

anybody else think that the dude who got his face chewed could have got away? dude had about a ten-foot wide hole to run through in the crowd of walkers, but chose to stand there screaming and dancing around like a total jackass. kinda makes you wonder how he survived almost two years or however long it's been into the walker outbreak....or if he was just thrown into the script to satisfy the gore-porn crowd who bitch if there's not enough walker action each week. Yeah, that was my only gripe w/ the episode TBH. I'm usually pretty laid back on the nit pickery for the show. It is what it is & all, but that scene was pretty . But, meh. One little faux pas now & again I can live with.

[Legion2213]

Yeah, that was my only gripe w/ the episode TBH. I'm usually pretty laid back on the nit pickery for the show. It is what it is & all, but that scene was pretty . But, meh. One little faux pas now & again I can live with. scene would have been better if it had just been played a bit differently... group spot a capable looking guy taking out a dozen walkers with melee weapon, struggling a bit but seemingly holding his ground (maybe with a bit of heavy wrapping around his knee to explain how he got caught in the open by a group of biters), they are about to pitch in and help when another group of 20 or so walkers come surging from the bushes, guy is overwhelmed as the group are making their way towards him... Play the rest of the scene as it was, guy goes under, a few walkers spot the group, the group takes off. We still get our gore and sense of hoplessness or whatever.