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    Quote Originally Posted by shootemindehead View Post
    Are we really going to do all this again?



    Look, I thought we all agreed that Night 90 had replaced the 1968 version. Land comes before Day, but ONLY if you watch the 2004 version of Dawn and the 1978 version of Dawn has been relegated to happening on some far away 1970's planet, where disco never died.

    It's fuckin simple folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvilNed View Post
    Steel and Rickles are amazed that the others didn't find any sign of life on their helicopter trip. The privates still live in a bubble where communication with Washington is not a far-fetched idea.
    They do not know what's out there, they only speculate. This is clearly illustrated in the film.
    By the time we see what's going on in Day, they have been incommunicated with the outside for only some amount of time. The soldiers are pressuring McDermott to try to re-establish communications. These guys were certainly not out of touch with at least what was going on as far up north as Washington DC (which is not far from where we see the events in Land take place: it's one of the bordering states.) The fact that they are aware of how bad things have gotten is plainly seen in the fact that Logan can stick it to Rhodes' face that his threats about leaving the bunker are bluff: "Where will you go, captain?" Rhodes' answer to this simple "challenge": **crickets** He knows that things out there have gotten very bad and there is hardly much of any safe place to go to left, that's why he can't answer Logan's sarcastic question and has to swallow his pride in front of everyone (something which Rhodes evidently hates to have to do.) Now, do you seriously think that if such outposts like those we saw in Land, which were even reported by the MEDIA while it was still around (so no need to rely on Washington's feedback regarding their existence), were still around by the time of Day that a loud-mouth major A-HOLE like Rhodes would not have used them as an appropriate answer to the doctor's sarcastic "question"? Methinks that he would not have hesitated for a second: "Where will I go, Frankenstein? How about one of them outposts up north, Frankenstein? I will take my men and go there, and I'll leave you and your highfalutin asshole friends to rot in this stinking sewer! Is that answer enough for you, Frankenstein?"

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    Even if Land was before Day, which it's not, it would take a hell of a lot of doing, at either point in time, to get from that bunker in FL to an outpost in PA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDP View Post
    By the time we see what's going on in Day, they have been incommunicated with the outside for only some amount of time. The soldiers are pressuring McDermott to try to re-establish communications. These guys were certainly not out of touch with at least what was going on as far up north as Washington DC (which is not far from where we see the events in Land take place: it's one of the bordering states.) The fact that they are aware of how bad things have gotten is plainly seen in the fact that Logan can stick it to Rhodes' face that his threats about leaving the bunker are bluff: "Where will you go, captain?" Rhodes' answer to this simple "challenge": **crickets** He knows that things out there have gotten very bad and there is hardly much of any safe place to go to left, that's why he can't answer Logan's sarcastic question and has to swallow his pride in front of everyone (something which Rhodes evidently hates to have to do.) Now, do you seriously think that if such outposts like those we saw in Land, which were even reported by the MEDIA while it was still around (so no need to rely on Washington's feedback regarding their existence), were still around by the time of Day that a loud-mouth major A-HOLE like Rhodes would not have used them as an appropriate answer to the doctor's sarcastic "question"? Methinks that he would not have hesitated for a second: "Where will I go, Frankenstein? How about one of them outposts up north, Frankenstein? I will take my men and go there, and I'll leave you and your highfalutin asshole friends to rot in this stinking sewer! Is that answer enough for you, Frankenstein?"
    As I said, it's clearly shown in the film that they are not aware of the state of things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvilNed View Post
    As I said, it's clearly shown in the film that they are not aware of the state of things.
    And as I pointed out before, it is hardly the case. Communications between them and the outside have not been down for a very long time. The soldiers are still pressuring McDermott to re-establish them. They still have hope of contacting someone again.

    Also, do you seriously expect anyone to believe that out of 18 people in that bunker NONE ever heard the news reports about the outposts? Do you also seriously expect anyone to believe that thriving cities with THOUSANDS of survivors somehow went unnoticed by the people right next door in Washington? So, these folks in the US government are interested in knowing what's happening all the way down in Florida and constantly communicate with the people they sent down there, but they do not show the slightest interest in what's happening right at their doorstep??? It takes a gigantic leap of faith to expect that the people of Day somehow could not have known about such outposts that even the media itself had already reported on. Anyone wanting to see Land as happening after Day will keep on butting-heads with this bunch of contradictions and discrepancies. If Romero's intention was to indeed make Land happen after Day, he totally messed up. He should have thought about these plot details more carefully before introducing a movie that would clash with the previous installments. Not surprising that many hard-core fans disown Land (and let me say again, that technically it is not a bad movie; my main beef with it is regarding plot contradictions with the previous movies more than anything else.)

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    Even if Land was before Day, which it's not, it would take a hell of a lot of doing, at either point in time, to get from that bunker in FL to an outpost in PA.
    From the perspective of the soldiers, it sure beats the hell out of being besieged by increasing hordes of zombies! The soldiers in the bunker are progressively getting to the point that they do not care anymore, they want out, no matter what the risks are outside and how long they have to go to find a safe place. They just don't want to stay in that bunker any longer.

    Plus one guy in Land actually wants to have a nice trip by car (!) all the way up to Canada, just to see if maybe, just maybe, he can make it up there on his own... Can you imagine such a scenario in the obviously more devastated and zombie-infested (roughly 400,000 zombies per every human!) world of Day, where even travelling by chopper can be risky? Keep on beating the imaginary "dead horse" It won't make the bunch of pesky contradictions and discrepancies between both movies to magically "vanish". But one day you might realize that most of them do in fact "vanish" by simply considering the Land ----> Day order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDP View Post
    And as I pointed out before, it is hardly the case.
    It is the case.

    The soldiers are still pressuring McDermott to re-establish them. They still have hope of contacting someone again.
    Exactly my point. They're unaware of what deep shit they're in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvilNed View Post
    It is the case.
    Aye, the theme of not knowing is throughout the film. From Logan's experiments doing nothing to prove anything new, to Sarah & Co's frustration with not being able to advance their research, to everyone not knowing what's really going on out there due to communication troubles and so forth.

    Plus, their chopper only has a range of what, a couple hundred miles? So you can only go out so far while keeping enough fuel in the tank for the trip back. Your radius, compared to the rest of the nation, is going to be limited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvilNed View Post
    It is the case.



    Exactly my point. They're unaware of what deep shit they're in.
    But that contradicts your point of view, not mine! According to the point of view of the Day ----> Land order, there actually are a whole bunch of people still left around on the surface, and not very far from Washington DC itself in fact. Why then should the guys in the government bunker down in Florida not entertain hopes of contacting someone again??? They would have plenty of reasons to.

    Leaving aside Land and the problems it (unwittingly?) introduced into the series, the people in Day already have good reason to still be hopeful that someone else is still out there somewhere, despite how bad things have gotten, because not too long ago they were still communicating with others. Sarah says that the government people in Washington are holing up in shelters as well. So these guys have a good excuse to keep on trying to contact somebody again, no matter how bad things have gotten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinionZombie View Post
    Aye, the theme of not knowing is throughout the film. From Logan's experiments doing nothing to prove anything new, to Sarah & Co's frustration with not being able to advance their research,
    Logan did prove something "new": that some zombies can be "domesticated". It wasn't very useful to solve the problem, but he did prove the point.

    to everyone not knowing what's really going on out there due to communication troubles and so forth.
    Their communication troubles are only relatively recent. The soldiers are still surprised that no one seems to be "out there" and they are still putting pressure on their radio man to try to re-establish contact with the outside.

    Plus, their chopper only has a range of what, a couple hundred miles? So you can only go out so far while keeping enough fuel in the tank for the trip back. Your radius, compared to the rest of the nation, is going to be limited.
    That did not stop the survivors in Dawn to try to make it to Canada in the exact same way. You simply stop for refueling, as many times as it takes. Yes, it's risky, but desperate people will try it before allowing themselves to be besieged by increasing hordes of zombies. Plus in Land we have something that is even more dangerous: here we have a dude who wants to make the trip into the Canadian wilderness by car!!!

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