FEAR The Walking Dead - Season 4 discussion...

[Moon Knight]

Alright. You win. Charlie is a monster. The most vile person on television. Off with her head.

[JDP]

He's not in "bonkers" mode now, though. He wavered a smidge at the bridge, fearing he'd only find his new friends dead or worse, but aside from that little wobble his head is screwed on straight - so slaughtering folks isn't in his approach now. He knows full well what relinquishing control of yourself over to the ZA does to a person, so he's now treading a path to fight against the side effects of the ZA itself. There's two "bonkers" modes for Morgan: one is kill everyone who crosses his path, "good" or "bad", it doesn't matter. We haven't seen that one in a while. He might be "cured" from that one. The other one is triggered when someone does something that pisses him off real bad. We have seen that one more regularly, and even as recently as his whole anti-Saviors "kill'em all" rampage. I would say that leaving you surrounded by zombies, with your hands tied up, and no weapon to fight with pretty much qualifies as something that would piss anyone off to no end. You would not very casually "forgive" anyone who purposefully left you in such a situation and who could easily have helped you but 100% willingly did not lift a finger to do so. Something tells me that your strongest instinct after getting out of that one (if you get out of that one, that is) would be to find the persons who did this to you and beat the holy living crap out of them as payback for their potentially deadly little "prank".

[MinionZombie]

Alright. You win. Charlie is a monster. The most vile person on television. Off with her head. If we find ourselves in a zombie apocalypse, we'll know who to turn to for all our 'evil kid' slaying needs. There's two "bonkers" modes for Morgan: one is kill everyone who crosses his path, "good" or "bad", it doesn't matter. We haven't seen that one in a while. He might be "cured" from that one. The other one is triggered when someone does something that pisses him off real bad. We have seen that one more regularly, and even as recently as his whole anti-Saviors "kill'em all" rampage. I would say that leaving you surrounded by zombies, with your hands tied up, and no weapon to fight with pretty much qualifies as something that would piss anyone off to no end. You would not very casually "forgive" anyone who purposefully left you in such a situation and who could easily have helped you but 100% willingly did not lift a finger to do so. Something tells me that your strongest instinct after getting out of that one (if you get out of that one, that is) would be to find the persons who did this to you and beat the holy living crap out of them as payback for their potentially deadly little "prank". Well that's how you might react to that specific scenario, but you're not Morgan and Morgan isn't you. Clearly his threshold for what justifies a rampage is different.

[JDP]

If we find ourselves in a zombie apocalypse, we'll know who to turn to for all our 'evil kid' slaying needs. Well that's how you might react to that specific scenario, but you're not Morgan and Morgan isn't you. Clearly his threshold for what justifies a rampage is different. This goes beyond just a "me" and "you" reacting differently to some trivial situation. This is how most people would react to this very serious situation. You don't casually just forgive people who almost got you killed. It's just the way it is. Just look around our world. People kill or beat each other for quite less. Plus like I said, we have seen Morgan go bonkers for things that pissed him off before. The potentially deadly situation he was unnecessarily put in by those three bozos most certainly qualifies as something that would piss the hell out of anyone.

[MinionZombie]

This is how most people would react to this very serious situation. Most, not all. Morgan's in the fraction who'd react differently. He's on a different path, and previous rampages have been triggered by very different things - the most recent being All Out War, an actual war with an organised bunch of sadistic psychopaths holding numerous communities to ransom, known for bashing people's heads in with a baseball bath, not just a trio of selfish dicks who gave him an option to come along quietly (which he himself chose not to do). Clearly Morgan's approach worked in the end, though - he inspired a better side of these folks to come out, and that's exactly the whole point of his approach. There's full blown reason to Morgan's method. Whether you agree with it or not is up to you, but he's acting how he wants to act.

[JDP]

Most, not all. Morgan's in the fraction who'd react differently. He's on a different path, and previous rampages have been triggered by very different things - the most recent being All Out War, an actual war with an organised bunch of sadistic psychopaths holding numerous communities to ransom, known for bashing people's heads in with a baseball bath, not just a trio of selfish dicks who gave him an option to come along quietly (which he himself chose not to do). Clearly Morgan's approach worked in the end, though - he inspired a better side of these folks to come out, and that's exactly the whole point of his approach. There's full blown reason to Morgan's method. Whether you agree with it or not is up to you, but he's acting how he wants to act. If anything Morgan would react the same way most people would, in fact quite worse than most people. The guy has some very obvious anger-management issues. He not only went berserk on the Saviors, BTW, he even killed a Kingdomer with his bare hands and tried to beat up Jesus. Anyone who does something to piss this guy off is a target for his "bonkers mode". Now, Morgan has very good reasons to withhold important information from these new a-holes. They are NOT trustworthy. He's caught them lying, stealing and kidnapping. Despite that, Morgan was not doing anything against them except not giving them information regarding the location of his group. These three selfish carefree bastards then left him stranded in a deadly situation right after they thought they had gotten the information they needed. Which only further confirms what untrustworthy a-holes they are. Conclusion: most logical course of action for Morgan would be to get back at them really, really bad for the low shit they pulled. Yet he totally unrealistically just casually lets the whole thing go!

[MinionZombie]

4x12 "Weak" Directed by: Colman Domingo Written by: Kalinda Vazquez Episode 4x11's live viewing figures saw another small drop down to 1.83m.

[Buzzbomb]

4x11 was better... at least I thought so until towards the end when I got the feeling it could have just been a discarded TWD script. Then I got to thinking that the storyline was out of place time-wise. 3-4-5 years in from the ZA there wouldn't be enough diesel to run a HGV truck and no way that a guy could hold out in his producing his craft beer... 4x12 = the title (sadly) says it all.

[MinionZombie]

I think we'll be something like 3 years into the ZA with the upcoming time jump in TWD, and I think it's about the same for FearTWD.

[MinionZombie]

4x13 "Blackjack" Directed by: Sharat Raju Written by: Ian Goldberg & Richard Naing Episode 4x12 saw another drop in live viewing figures, setting a new low for the show: 1.52m ... not sure what the time shift viewing figures are, anyone know where to find them? Too many damn episodes, too much content being consumed/recycled/dragged out - AMC, for the love of Grimes, reduce the episode count to 12 max or better yet 10 ... or hell, even 8.

[Moon Knight]

4x13 "Blackjack" Directed by: Sharat Raju Written by: Ian Goldberg & Richard Naing Episode 4x12 saw another drop in live viewing figures, setting a new low for the show: 1.52m ... not sure what the time shift viewing figures are, anyone know where to find them? Too many damn episodes, too much content being consumed/recycled/dragged out - AMC, for the love of Grimes, reduce the episode count to 12 max or better yet 10 ... or hell, even 8. As long as that ad revenue keeps on trucking no chance of that happening anytime soon. And I agree with you. The damn structure doesn’t help either. I really hope season 9 isn’t like this.

[MinionZombie]

Ad revenue, sure ... but surely if the figures keep sliding then advertisers aren't going to be keen to stump up the same cash 'cos they're not reaching as many viewers? While fewer episodes would mean less ad revenue, they'd also not need to spend as much making it ... now, yes, there's the profit margin of ad revenue over production costs etc, but it really would be the best thing for the show itself for quality of product and sustainability. It feels all too often that AMC are now just milking the TWD cow, demanding too much of it, sucking the life out of it.

[Moon Knight]

Ad revenue, sure ... but surely if the figures keep sliding then advertisers aren't going to be keen to stump up the same cash 'cos they're not reaching as many viewers? While fewer episodes would mean less ad revenue, they'd also not need to spend as much making it ... now, yes, there's the profit margin of ad revenue over production costs etc, but it really would be the best thing for the show itself for quality of product and sustainability. It feels all too often that AMC are now just milking the TWD cow, demanding too much of it, sucking the life out of it. FTWD still gets more views and social media buzz than anything else AMC would air at that time instead. I just wish it never existed to begin with. TWD’s ratings decline started with season 6, right after the first season of FTWD aired. As long as the TWD’s name is attached AMC ain’t budging. Hell, they making a third spin off lol. The price the fans pay for enjoying something too much.

[MinionZombie]

The price the fans pay for enjoying something too much. Ridiculous, isn't it? If AMC try to have three zombies on at the same time (i.e. within each broadcast year), then WTF. End Fear, take the best remnants (e.g. Morgan and John Dorie) and insert them into TWD, then do a new spin off if you must insist, AMC. I guess they don't really give a shit about "sustainability" and "audiece fatigue", nor chomping through story at a rate of knots. If this new spin off is just yet another bunch of civilian survivors going through the same motions and plotlines we've already seen on TWD and then repeated on FearTWD I'm gonna be pissed. This whole thing is a shame, too, because Fear started off with a purpose - to show the beginning of the ZA - but it botched that completely. Then it had another chance with the superb 4x01 rebooting things, but yet again because of so many damn episodes to fill and this insistence on splitting up the cast and scattering them to the wind, we've seen yet another decline over the course of this season.

[JDP]

The strange sudden ineptitude of some characters is also reaching hard to "digest" (pun fully intended) levels. Did Strand really need to risk getting bit just to get that bottle of booze inside the pick-up truck? Please! All he had to do is borrow Dorie's revolver and shoot the trapped zombie in the head. Presto. Getting rid of a zombie in your way is not that difficult when you actually have a gun and ammo readily available.