Does anyone else think this is a load of cock?

[MinionZombie]

http://www.melonfarmers.co.uk/awbb.htm#Britishness_is_1

I mean ... Britain Day? *ugh*

Teach kids to be respectful and give them a proper education and job prospects and not tax the sh*t out their arse, and you'll easily find Britishness.

Heck, even in adversity us Brits do it our own way. Us Brits don't run around waving flags all the damn time, we pick and choose certain moments to be very British and pour it all out in one bit glug, then build it up, find another outlet, repeat.

[SymphonicX]

I've always found that kind of inherrent nationalism to be extremely dangerous.

What happens to these kids who are finding it harder to assimilate into British "culture" than natives? They will feel excluded no doubt.

Sticking this kind of moronic crap down kid's throats will make them feel even worse.

Anyway I very much doubt that any psychological study done on kids these days would produce results that basically say "the kid's are bad because they don't feel they can identify with the ground they're walking on" - no, the problems come from bad parenting, a lack of self respect and control, and failing educational standards - this is a white-wash over a very big crack in the wall.

I just don't see any way in which beating our chests and making "ug ug" sounds will somehow make the disaffected youth in this country want to be a productive member of society - this is further evidence of the Americanisation of the UK.

[Danny]

ugh, this is the kinda of idea that should stay over the pond, ameriicans are way mor epatriotic, us brits are "happy as long as the trains moving" type people who will only really celebrate when something worthwhiles happened.

...cant think of an example for right now though.

[SymphonicX]

how about winning the rugby world cup?

Sent us brits effing crazy.

I hate patriotism though - even if it is under the guise of something positive like winning a sport.

[MinionZombie]

The 50 years since the Queen's coronation was a big deal. There were flags waving, street parties, hoardes of people along the road leading to the Palace...and Brown thinks we all need to be more patriotic?

Jesus tap-dancing Christ ... ... COCK-FACE! :eek:

[Neil]

I'd be a whole lot more patriotic if they we're taking so much f***ing money from me and wasting it all!

[MinionZombie]

I'd be a whole lot more patriotic if they we're taking so much f***ing money from me and wasting it all!
Indeed, it's hard to be patriotic when you despise the gubment - and yes, I despise Labour, just so that's extra clear :D - so it really makes it hard to be proud of your own country...but on the other hand, I ain't jumping ship because of those wankers...so I guess that's patriotic in it's own right. :p

[p2501]

Strength through unity, Unity through faith

[Chic Freak]

Strength through unity, Unity through faith

:stunned: F*ck dat sh!t ;)

I have virtually no interest in developing a sense of "unity" with a bunch of strangers just because we happen to inhabit the same patch of dirt. It's never really made much sense to me, other than as a rather boring way of pandering to our pack instincts. And if I want to indulge myself in that, I'll go to a gig and scream along with a bunch of other fans for a couple of hours :D Job done.

[MinionZombie]

What I do hate is this devolution garbage. I'm Scottish (living in England, on the cusp of Wales), but I count myself as British first and foremost.

What with Scotland and Wales having different benefits, systems and so forth, it just creates ill feeling in England towards the other countries, which is all a result of yet more social engineering. It should be the British system, British benefits etc.

Basically it's causing the populace to all pull away from the flag, so-to-speak, meanwhile in America - despite the variety of different opinions and people and politics - it all works towards the one flag.

What with this devolution crap, the Scottish flag, Welsh flag and English flag are all becoming tools of political expression (or even racist expression from some nutters). Instead of all pulling apart, we should all be pulling together - towards the British flag - to make the best Britain for all of us living here, not the best Wales for the Welsh, the best Scotland for the Scottish and England struggling in between it all.

[Neil]

What I do hate is this devolution garbage. I'm Scottish (living in England, on the cusp of Wales), but I count myself as British first and foremost.

What with Scotland and Wales having different benefits, systems and so forth, it just creates ill feeling in England towards the other countries, which is all a result of yet more social engineering. It should be the British system, British benefits etc.

Basically it's causing the populace to all pull away from the flag, so-to-speak, meanwhile in America - despite the variety of different opinions and people and politics - it all works towards the one flag.

What with this devolution crap, the Scottish flag, Welsh flag and English flag are all becoming tools of political expression (or even racist expression from some nutters). Instead of all pulling apart, we should all be pulling together - towards the British flag - to make the best Britain for all of us living here, not the best Wales for the Welsh, the best Scotland for the Scottish and England struggling in between it all.

Amen brother!

[Mike70]

:stunned: F*ck dat sh!t ;)

I have virtually no interest in developing a sense of "unity" with a bunch of strangers just because we happen to inhabit the same patch of dirt. It's never really made much sense to me, other than as a rather boring way of pandering to our pack instincts. And if I want to indulge myself in that, I'll go to a gig and scream along with a bunch of other fans for a couple of hours :D Job done.

amen. amen. amen.

i have absolutely no interest in "unity", "community" or any of the other watch words that folks who organize this kind of grabasstic crap come up with. just because you have moved in next door to me does not under any circumstances mean that i want to hold hands with you and sing kumbyhah (or however the fu*k that stupid song is spelled) with you.

i am not patriotic about america at all-about ohio, hell yes. i am not a flag waver and i do not chant that silly "U S A" chant during the olympics or at any other time for that matter.

nationalism sucks - period. it is the product of people with very small minds and very big agendas.

so these people should put away the flags and the signs and their stupid fu*king slogans and simply live as people without regard to who is #1 or any of that other crap.

[Danny]

Strength through unity, Unity through faith

:hurl:

yeah, i dont feel the need to "unify" with the likes of the BNP.

[MinionZombie]

:hurl:

yeah, i dont feel the need to "unify" with the likes of the BNP.
There's a vast, yawning chasm between the BNP and being British.

[Tricky]

Those who are british know they are british,its something in you that labours cynical PR stunts will never give!as much as im proud to be british,ive had it up to the eyeballs with this country & the direction its going in,my girlfriend has asked me if il move to australia with her next year & apart from friends & family there is absolutely nothing keeping me in this sinking cesspool of socialism,forced diversity & high taxes.If things go to plan im off!

[Chic Freak]

socialism,forced diversity & high taxes.

Lol. We're so different.

I wouldn't say the UK is a socialist state as a whole, but I think the socialist principles we do practise, such as having a national health service and free education, are great. Diversity is a positive thing. It would be sh1tty if everyone was the same. Taxes are annoying in the short-term but I have to admit that I can't think of a better way of doing things. While thing are cheaper when I visit Europe, I do notice that the roads aren't as good and there seem to be more people in more obvious states of poverty.

So, those three things you mentioned are probably some of the only aspects of British culture that could ever really make me feel "proud" to be British :D

[MinionZombie]

Natural diversity happens as-and-when and slowly, and that's fine.

Forced diversity - aka social engineering - as well as 'positive' discrimination (it's still discrimination - I'd rather have someone hired because of their skills or talents, rather than their skin colour, sex or religion) is bad.

I can't be doing with things being forced like that. The cultural make up of a country should change naturally of it's own accord, it shouldn't be fiddled by the gubment. Goes for any country.

High taxes - they could be lower if there wasn't so much waste. Do we honestly need all these tickers and dealers? The tax system itself is an absolutely confused nightmare in itself. My folks are paying extortionate amounts of Council Tax, a ludicrous amount.

Now I wonder why Labour wanted to create a whole load of public sector jobs *taps chin* ... buying votes, much? Yes - we need people to run these things - but we don't need too many. Right now, we've got too many. Red tape and bureaucracy are words we hear all-too-often these days, and it's not good.

One example, from personal experience, the health system is choked by red tape and bureaucracy. My mum battled with it for weeks when my Gran had a fall and was admitted to hospital. An absolute red tape nightmare and we didn't get her out of the system in time. She died and I went to my first funeral.

So you could say I've got a personal beef with red tape & bureaucracy. :(

...anyway...not to get too side-lined...

Socialism - part good, part evil.

I think a National Health Service is just that - a public service. It affects everybody - health that is - so it should be a public service. Education being free also makes sense - although people pay their taxes, it all goes into one big gubment pot, and that goes to schools ... so ultimately it's being paid for, like the NHS, through all our pockets ... but ideologically it's free ... if that makes sense...trying to explain myself as best I can here.

But I do not believe in top-down governing, and it's no secret that the way Labour has been going about it's time in control sickens me. Personal opinion thanks, so please don't bitch about it, I can't be arsed to get into another wall VS wall 'thing' over that. :sneaky::D

I'm very much of a common sense mode of thinking. All the way right is bad. All the way left is bad.

Some issues need to be dealt with in a more right-end way. Some issues need to be dealt with in a more left-end way. Other issues need to be dealt with in the simplest and most common sense way there is.

I personally don't see a lot of that going on today...in many countries. :(

[triste realtà]

:stunned: F*ck dat sh!t ;)

I have virtually no interest in developing a sense of "unity" with a bunch of strangers just because we happen to inhabit the same patch of dirt. It's never really made much sense to me, other than as a rather boring way of pandering to our pack instincts. And if I want to indulge myself in that, I'll go to a gig and scream along with a bunch of other fans for a couple of hours :D Job done.


Of course, mother's gonna help build the wall:lol:

It's about race. Individual, family, country/race, continent, hemisphere, planet. That's the order and nature is beyond genius. America is the antithesis. This is just like something I read in another girl's blog. She said "what the **** is a year but an arbitrary unit of time". WTF indeed :annoyed: A year is the time it takes the earth to go around the sun, four seasons, twelve lunar cycles. Again, hail nature.:cool:

Anyway, this day isn't for native Brits. It's for your imported society to try to include them where they won't ever fit in. Do you guys have Muslim ghettos where the police can't go like in France? I hear all the natives are leaving Amsterdam because of the imported peoples. I'm gonna go read some articles because I haven't read anything about it all yet. We have ghettos where the police can't go in America, but it's blacks and latinos I think. I'll have to look that up too. There's a ****load of gang members in LA and they have gun battles regularly and some members have been shot up to 30 times and are still doing it.:stunned:

[SymphonicX]

:stunned: F*ck dat sh!t ;)

I have virtually no interest in developing a sense of "unity" with a bunch of strangers just because we happen to inhabit the same patch of dirt. It's never really made much sense to me, other than as a rather boring way of pandering to our pack instincts. And if I want to indulge myself in that, I'll go to a gig and scream along with a bunch of other fans for a couple of hours :D Job done.

Totally....


Of course, mother's gonna help build the wall:lol:

It's about race. Individual, family, country/race, hemisphere, planet. That's the order and nature is beyond genius. America is the antithesis. This is just like something I read in another girl's blog. She said "what the **** is a year but an arbitrary unit of time". WTF indeed :annoyed: A year is the time it takes the earth to go around the sun, four seasons, twelve lunar cycles. Again, hail nature.:cool:

Anyway, this day isn't for native Brits. It's for your imported society to try to include them where they won't ever fit in. Do you guys have Muslim ghettos where the police can't go like in France? I hear all the natives are leaving Amsterdam because of the imported peoples. I'm gonna go read some articles because I haven't read anything about it all yet. We have ghettos where the police can't go in America, but it's blacks and latinos I think. I'll have to look that up too. There's a ****load of gang members in LA and they have gun battles regularly and some members have been shot up to 30 times and are still doing it.:stunned:

Having lived in some of the worst areas in London - I can safely say that nowhere is really a "no go" area - especially for the police. I mean it can get a bit dodgy....

Dunno what its like further up north though, it gets worse the further out you get.