'The Hobbit' - Yes! Yes! Yes!

[Neil]

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Guillermo-Del-Toro-Officially-Directing-The-Hobbit-8620.html

[Danny]

frigg yeah dude, if theres anyone who can outdo jacksons take on middle earth its delt oro.

[axlish]

frigg yeah dude, if theres anyone who can outdo jacksons take on middle earth its delt oro.

Tru dat holmeslice, I mean all he's got to do is win an academy award for best film and best director. He can easily surpass that, right?

New Line is just pissed at Jackson because he made them pay what they actually owed him.

[MinionZombie]

Nifty.

Bloody nora, 4 feckin' years in a whole foreign country! :eek:

Aye, Jackson was just getting what he was owed in the contract, if New Line didn't like it, they shouldn't have signed the deal - but they did, they didn't uphold their side, ergo they're in the wrong - even if Jackson had already made a mint, that's not the issue, you sign a contract in order to uphold it...NLC were being dicks.

[axlish]

Aye, Jackson was just getting what he was owed in the contract, if New Line didn't like it, they shouldn't have signed the deal - but they did, they didn't uphold their side, ergo they're in the wrong - even if Jackson had already made a mint, that's not the issue, you sign a contract in order to uphold it...NLC were being dicks.

What is odd, is that you'll actually hear people sypmathising with the studios!

[MinionZombie]

What is odd, is that you'll actually hear people sypmathising with the studios!
lol, I know. The studios made a damn sight more money from the films collectively than Jackson did - even though Jackson made a mint - the point always was though that NLC didn't uphold their contract, which is a naughty-no-no.

I'm kinda confused as to why that whole dispute dragged on so long, surely it's a clean cut case - they violated the contract, pay up New Line, end of.

It's a shame for Jackson though, kinda puts a bitter side salad against the original trilogy having this silliness come afterwards. :(

[Craig]

I should really watch all three LotR films all the way through sometime... To think Peter Jackson started with the likes of Bad Taste :lol:

Just looking on imdb it appears The Hobbit 2 is already announced, I thought The Hobbit was just one story... :confused:

[Danny]

I should really watch all three LotR films all the way through sometime... To think Peter Jackson started with the likes of Bad Taste :lol:

Just looking on imdb it appears The Hobbit 2 is already announced, I thought The Hobbit was just one story... :confused:

it is. but unlike the rings tirlogy theres not a lot of chaff to cut off ,like tom bombadil, to cut down the time, pretty much every line has got to be included, its a pretty tightly constructed novel, and id recommend reading it before you see it, i read it when i was 7 and it still one of my favourites.

Though the "stuck by lightning!!" bit was creepy then and creepier now.

-and dag-nabbit jackson should have included tom bombadil, the ultimate scottish stoner

"hey-ho merry go, hop along me hearties, hobbits ,ponys too, all ar efond of parties.."

now that ya think about it, he was really a middle earth rapper with all them songs, maybe he got killed in a drive by arrowing?

[zombie04]

'The Hobbit' - Yes! Yes! Yes!


I'll have what he's having:p

[MinionZombie]

I'll have what he's having:p
Sex by the sounds of it. :D

[capncnut]

Sex by the sounds of it. :D
With Hobbits! :lol:

[MinionZombie]

With Hobbits! :lol:
HOBBIT SEX?!

...

Count me in...:D

I really must watch the LOTR trilogy through again, I've only seen each film like a couple of times each...I think 2 for the first, 3 for the second, and 3 for the third...something like that...but really must watch them through again some time...I've got the extended cuts on 4-disc DVD as well (3 Xmas' in a row, one for each year, noiiice), so it's about finding the time and to be in the right mood.

[Danny]

With Hobbits! :lol:


And then sam bricks in frodos mouth

*que vomiting nerd*


Tru dat holmeslice,

sherlock holmeslice biznatch,lol.

[zombie04]

HOBBIT SEX?!



I like it with the little people;)

[Neil]

As predicted:-

"I had the most charming meeting with Sir Ian [McKellen], and all bureaucracy pending, he’s on board, as is Andy Serkis. We will continue giving you progress reports as they occur. It is our intention that we will not lose any of the key elements."

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Del-Toro-Reveals-Hobbit-Hopefuls-8646.html

[Danny]

**** yeah, i dont know who else could pull off gandalf as well as ian mckellen does.

[axlish]

Now they just need to lock up Hugo Weaving as Elrond and John Rhys Davies as Gimli's father (was it Glowin? I forget). I guess Arwen could make an appearance. I guess Ian Holm is too old now, but his portrayal of Bilbo was awesome. A young Dudley Moore would have been perfect, as well as a young Michael J. Fox.

[Neil]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7375245.stm

[Mike70]

so if the second movie is going to tell the story of the 60 years between hobbit and fellowship that raises a plethora of possibilities. you could take that in so many directions - the story of aragorn (with a younger actor playing aragorn) and the rangers intertwined with his meeting arwen, along with the story of gandalf, the dissolution of the white council, and sarumans growing obsession with the ring. many, many possibilites.

[axlish]

According to studio New Line, the first film will be an adaptation of The Hobbit and the second will be an original story focusing on the 60 years between the book and the beginning of the Rings trilogy.

AWESOME!

[Neil]

so if the second movie is going to tell the story of the 60 years between hobbit and fellowship that raises a plethora of possibilities. you could take that in so many directions - the story of aragorn (with a younger actor playing aragorn) and the rangers intertwined with his meeting arwen, along with the story of gandalf, the dissolution of the white council, and sarumans growing obsession with the ring. many, many possibilites.

It starts to get scary though! We might end up with a contrived mess like the new Star Wars films - desperately trying to try the threads together between two fabrics, one new and one old...

[axlish]

It starts to get scary though! We might end up with a contrived mess like the new Star Wars films - desperately trying to try the threads together between two fabrics, one new and one old...

Hopefully there is enough written word to flesh out the years. I'm not sure what exists though, and hell, what would be the climax to part 2?

[Danny]

oh then they gotta have tom bombadil in it:cool:

[Mike70]

Hopefully there is enough written word to flesh out the years. I'm not sure what exists though, and hell, what would be the climax to part 2?

most of the stuff that would comprise part 2 would be from the timelines in the appendices to return of the king or from the "tale of aragorn and arwen" also included in the appendices of return of the king.

personally, i'd love to see a movie (or series of movies or mini-series) about the second age that specifically focuses on numenor, culminating in the founding of gondor and arnor and the struggle against sauron that took place in the second age. the numenoreans are by far (in my humble opinion) some of the most interesting people in the whole middle earth cycle.

[Neil]

Viggo Mortensen in The Hobbit!? Well the second film thing they're talking about which isn't actually the Hobbit, but is part of the Hobbit production... Oh I'm confused!

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Viggo-Mortensen-In-The-Hobbit-8896.html

[clanglee]

Bah!! Not excited about that second movie. Seems like it will be all the parts I fast foward through in the current trilogy. Every flashback to Aragorn and Arwen, just makes me cringe. :barf:

[Neil]

Bah!! Not excited about that second movie. Seems like it will be all the parts I fast foward through in the current trilogy. Every flashback to Aragorn and Arwen, just makes me cringe. :barf:

Yeh, those plot bits can get a bit difficult to follow and all :rolleyes::)

[clanglee]

Plot hell!!!

There is a reason those bits were thrown into the apendixes in the novel. Boring and sappy. Bleh.

[Neil]

Plot hell!!!

There is a reason those bits were thrown into the apendixes in the novel. Boring and sappy. Bleh.

I enjoyed it... Without that, other elements of the film wouldn't have stood so well. For example when Elrond was trying to diswade Arwen from her relationship with Aragorn (due to his mortality etc) - You had to see a reason for her to throw away so much. ie: Their feelings for each other.

Now, if this had been a Hollywood film they would have simply cut the scenes you're refering to, and thrown in a single scene with the couple having sex to show the depth of their love for each other. Remember the beginning of Dawn 04? (That sort of cheep writing/scripting!)

Now given cheep Hollywood approach, or some decent writing/scripting and plot (as we saw in LOTRs), I'd prefer the latter personally...

[clanglee]

Don't get me wrong, I understand why it was in the movie. I just can't stand those particular scenes. Boring and sappy, as I said.

Now how exactly was LOTR not a hollywood movie?:rockbrow:

[Neil]

Now how exactly was LOTR not a hollywood movie?:rockbrow:

It was made by Peter Jackson (a self made director), with his own group of people, with his own effects house, 15 billion miles away from Hollywood :)

So many people contributed pationately, in so many ways to those films, at just so many levels, its just not what you'd typically get in Hollywood...

[clanglee]

Funded by a major Hollywood studio, Involving many hollywood executives and actorsand staff. I'm sorry. . I understand what you are trying to say when you say "Hollywood Movie" , maybe I get tied up in the semantics of it, but LOTR was a WELL DONE big budget Hollywood movie.

I don't know, looking at it again, I can see where you are coming from. I have that american thinking type tho "we paid for it, we own it" If that makes me a prick, well so be it. But while it was creatively a New Zeland Movie, LOTR was a funded and marketed American movie.

[Neil]

Funded by a major Hollywood studio, Involving many hollywood executives and actorsand staff. I'm sorry. . I understand what you are trying to say when you say "Hollywood Movie" , maybe I get tied up in the semantics of it, but LOTR was a WELL DONE big budget Hollywood movie.

I don't know, looking at it again, I can see where you are coming from. I have that american thinking type tho "we paid for it, we own it" If that makes me a prick, well so be it. But while it was creatively a New Zeland Movie, LOTR was a funded and marketed American movie.

When I say 'Hollywood' I mean the style and ethos behind it. Yes, Hollywood money funded it, but the creative team behind the trilogy, and most importantly the resultant films, were not what I'd describe as 'Hollywood' :)

Imagine for example if Michael Bay had done them... :eek:

[clanglee]

Imagine for example if Michael Bay had done them... :eek:

Good Point :eek:

[Mike70]

Imagine for example if Michael Bay had done them... :eek:

:eek::stunned:

dear god that would've been a travesty.

interesting thing about the LOTR - having read all of tolkien's letters, it is amazing to find out just how much of it was "off the cuff", made up as he went along and not thought out under some grand plan. the things made up on the fly include major points like aragorn, lothlorien, fangorn, the stewards of gondor and saruman.

from a letter to w.h. auden 7 Jun 1955

"...but i met a lot of things on the way that astonished me. tom bombadil i knew already; but i had never been to bree. strider sitting in the corner at the inn was a shock, and i had no more idea who he was than frodo. the mines of moria had been a mere name; and of lothlorien no word reached my mortal ears till i came there. far away i knew there were horse-lords on the confines of an ancient kingdom of men, but fangorn forest was an unforeseen adventure. i had never heard of the house of eorl nor of the stewards of gondor. most disquieting of all, saruman had never been revealed to me, and i was as mystified as frodo at gandalf's failure to appear on september 22." from "the letters of J.R.R. Tolkien" pages 216-217.