Star Wars vs. Star Trek

[EvilNed]

Two gigantic sci-fi franchises which have almost nothing in common except for the word "Star" in their titles. So, pick your favourite. In Soviet Russia there are no grey zones. Only red.

[Danny]

used to lean towards star wars, then saw phantom menace, nuff' said.

[EvilNed]

More or less same here. I used to be a Star Wars fan, but after the debacle that was Episode 3 I've lost complete interest in that franchise. I never ever watch Star Wars anymore, but I've recently discovered the Star Trek films. While the television series are not always that great, the films always deliver entertainment. Solid and interesting Sci-fi films right there.

[darth los]

I like both but voted for Star Trek. I just seems more rooted in reality to me. Can't wait to see what J.J. Abrams does with it. I'll make this bet though. It'll be better than the phantom menace. Not a very high bar to hurdle , I know.

[MaximusIncredulous]

Superficial view but one of the things I always liked about SW over ST was the dirty, worn out look SW had with many of its sets and vehicles. ST always had everything brand spanking new for some reason. I know it's the future and all but come on, throw a little wear and tear in there. Of course this view only applies to the original SW films, not those steaming piles of prequel crap Lucas chucked on the public.

[SymphonicX]

Neither...both exceed my geek quota and annoy the hell out of me.

[p2501]

Trek.

Sorry but Deep Space Nine smokes everything star wars has put out in one go.

after that Babylon 5 then Galactica. Star wars comes in towards the bottom of by top 15 list.

[SRP76]

Trek by far. I never saw anything even close to entertaining in Star Wars. A guy with a black bucket on his head, and a kid who was "the hope of the universe" (wow, that's an original concept). Yawnage.

[darth los]

Trek.

Sorry but Deep Space Nine smokes everything star wars has put out in one go.

after that Babylon 5 then Galactica. Star wars comes in towards the bottom of by top 15 list.



True, if there was a Battlestar Galactica option i would have chosen that one.

:cool:

[capncnut]

I chose Star Wars. A New Hope alone destroys the entire Star Trek franchise IMO.

[Mike70]

star trek easily. hands down. no contest in my book. fu*k a new hope and empire compared to the entire trek universe (tv shows included). star wars appears more trite, childish and moronic to me every year.

i am not a big fan of the trek movies (except for khan & VI) but the tv shows rock.

now given the option, B5 blows them both away...

[p2501]

now given the option, B5 blows them both away...


heh, true but it's an unfair selection. that's like making a high school wrestler fight Kimbo Slice.

[mista_mo]

Thank God, I thought this thread was going to be a "my fictional universe could beat your fictional universe in a fight"

Those are entertaining though :P

I've been a huge star wars fan for years now, and I have always loathed Star Trek...Not so much for the show, but the fans. It has the most childish, overzealous, and ridiculous fans ever. There are a far share of ridiculous star wars fans, of that I have no doubt, but the trekkies are the loudest and most abrasive bunch.

Especially now that both series try to back up their technologies with science (expanded universe for starwars, and regular airplay in any star trek show) the rage has increased 10 fold. The shouting of "nu uhs, the original enterprise captain'd by kirk could destroy planets" answered by- "But that was not a standerdized ship, and the federation makes almost no use of those capabilites, while all Imperial Star Destroyers have that capability." has reached a crescendo, and the wailing voices of millions of nerds shouting and raging for their respective series has reached an alltime high.

I really believe those folk need to be subjected to a good old fashioned exterminatus/purging.

Glory to The Imperium.

[Danny]

Thank God, I thought this thread was going to be a "my fictional universe could beat your fictional universe in a fight"

Those are entertaining though :P

I've been a huge star wars fan for years now, and I have always loathed Star Trek...Not so much for the show, but the fans. It has the most childish, overzealous, and ridiculous fans ever. There are a far share of ridiculous star wars fans, of that I have no doubt, but the trekkies are the loudest and most abrasive bunch.

Especially now that both series try to back up their technologies with science (expanded universe for starwars, and regular airplay in any star trek show) the rage has increased 10 fold. The shouting of "nu uhs, the original enterprise captain'd by kirk could destroy planets" answered by- "But that was not a standerdized ship, and the federation makes almost no use of those capabilites, while all Imperial Star Destroyers have that capability." has reached a crescendo, and the wailing voices of millions of nerds shouting and raging for their respective series has reached an alltime high.

I really believe those folk need to be subjected to a good old fashioned exterminatus/purging.

Glory to The Imperium.

storm trooper elvis springs to mind :lol:

[darth los]

LOL. It's true. The fervor exhibited by fans of these respective franchises reaches a level of almost religious fervor. Suicide bomber siths? Who knows? Hey, what were those things strapped to chewy's chest anyway? Makes ya wonder? :confused:

[kidgloves]

I was never really into Star Wars as a kid. Another BSG childhood here. While good, i find the series of movies quite bland although i agree that A New Hope is excellent.
TNG on the other hand is superb. I got into it when i was a student and they used to show it at 5pm on sky in the early days. I love the science of Star Trek - very believable and well thought out. I've recently bought the original series on HD-DVD and if anyones in any doubt about the benefits of HD, watch this and be blown away, seriously. Its something to behold but thats another argument :D

Can anyone convince me to watch DS9 as it kind of passed me by.

[clanglee]

Wow, 50/50 split here. Interesting. I voted Star Wars. I am able to do so because to me, The prequels don't exist. :D



Can anyone convince me to watch DS9 as it kind of passed me by.


http://www.hector-macpherson.co.uk/trek/pictures/dax%20publicity.jpg

or better yet

http://jadzia.co.uk/images/TerryFarrell_Main.jpg

[bassman]

I like the Trek films, but Star Wars has always been my favorite. The original trilogy, that is. The prequels can be tolerated by themselves, but I don't consider them to be a necessary addition to the franchise.

[Mike70]

in honor of this thread i simply have to break this out.

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[bassman]

And in honor of this thread, I have to ask the ultimate question of who shot first...han or greedo?

http://www.whiterose.org/pete/blog/images/greedo.jpeg

[Mike70]

And in honor of this thread, I have to ask the ultimate question of who shot first...han or greedo?

http://www.whiterose.org/pete/blog/images/greedo.jpeg

as i am sure everyone knows, han shot first in the original prints of the movie. that has to be one the most idiotic retro changes to a movie ever.

in fact, here is the original version of that scene.

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[capncnut]

I like the Trek films, but Star Wars has always been my favorite. The original trilogy, that is. The prequels can be tolerated by themselves, but I don't consider them to be a necessary addition to the franchise.
Infact I don't regard Return as a sequel, just New Hope and Empire for me.

I saw the first Star Trek movie at the cinema and holy s**t, I fell asleep halfway through - talk about boring. I actually remember the reviews over here at the time of release and it was hailed as the 'dullest sci-fi movie ever made' by more than a few tabloids.


Oh and the Millenium Falcon s**ts on the Enterprise. :rolleyes:

[Danny]

Infact I don't regard Return as a sequel, just New Hope and Empire for me.

I saw the first Star Trek movie at the cinema and holy s**t, I fell asleep halfway through - talk about boring. I actually remember the reviews over here at the time of release and it was hailed as the 'dullest sci-fi movie ever made' by more than a few tabloids.


Oh and the Millenium Falcon s**ts on the Enterprise. :rolleyes:

but not the borg cube, never the borg cube.

[Mike70]

I saw the first Star Trek movie at the cinema and holy s**t, I fell asleep halfway through - talk about boring.

the first star trek movie has to be watched tripping on something - mushrooms, acid,etc. to be appreciated. it is a whole different and much more interesting movie under those circumstances.

as for the franchises - i think that star wars is mostly greasy kids stuff and appears more trite to me with every year that goes by.

[capncnut]

but not the borg cube, never the borg cube.
http://www.theokra.org/images/Borg_cube.jpg

You are joking, I presume. :rolleyes:

[Danny]

hello dude, the mf looks like a kitchen utensil from dimension X, borg cubes are the terminator pimp mobiles.

[p2501]

as for the franchises - i think that star wars is mostly greasy kids stuff and appears more trite to me with every year that goes by.

I dunno i still enjoy the first three films in their original cut. and when viewed alone from the prequells they're still stand as very capable movies.

It's when you factor in the new abominations, the recuts, and all of that cannon bull**** that it degrades the whole mess down to something that's migraine inducing.

the real bitch of it is. star wars really is an excellent medium for storytelling. and there are a few really great examples of it out there. but it when you come back to Lucas driven stuff that it seems kinda pointless.

[capncnut]

hello dude, the mf looks like a kitchen utensil from dimension X, borg cubes are the terminator pimp mobiles.
Yeah, but can it make a Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs? :D

[Rottedfreak]

Treks just gone to ****, TOS was sci fi gold for it's ideas and characters, TNG was a worthy sequal though it fell victim to comparison and would never win against TOS, TOS fans refused to aknowledge it's strengths but now TNG is fondly remembered. DS9 also got the same reaction TNG did but its built it's own cult and following among Trekkers due to it's challenging Roddenberrys ideas and it's own storytelling, arcs and characters. the last two were a complete and utter joke abandoning their premise and squandering their potential (both character and stories) for some cheap SFX sequences.

[Legion2213]

The federation of commie socialists who are perfect and don't use money or violence and can't wait to tell new species how "holier than thou" they are whilst looking like total dicks in their crappy one piece outfits....

...Or Palpatines Galactic Empire that regularly "base delta zero's" uncooperative planets (unless they totally frag them with the mighty Death Star space station) and rolls out millions of these mutha funkers and sends them to dominate all and sundry....

http://sheckil.com/Documents/Star%20Destroyer.jpg

Legion2213 - Warsie until I die. :cool:

[mista_mo]

there were only 25,000 or so isds built during palpatines reign. Tie fighters were swarm craft, being individually inferior in almost every way to other craft, and storm troopers (the elite of the emperors military I may add) were hideuosly ineffective verses most anything. (The Movies count as teir 1 canon btw, so it pretty much over-rides the EU stuff. I hate to admit it...).

I'm a fan of star wars, but i'll stick to my imperium thanks :P

[C5NOTLD]

I grew up watching the original star trek reruns on tv and loved it.

But once Star Wars was released that did it for me.

Star Wars.

[EvilNed]

The federation of commie socialists who are perfect and don't use money or violence and can't wait to tell new species how "holier than thou" they are whilst looking like total dicks in their crappy one piece outfits....

...Or Palpatines Galactic Empire that regularly "base delta zero's" uncooperative planets (unless they totally frag them with the mighty Death Star space station) and rolls out millions of these mutha funkers and sends them to dominate all and sundry....

Or, put it another way:

Those "mutha funkers"... Are they Ewok proof? Wow, that's one kick ass empire. :p

Star Trek all the way!

[Danny]

Or, put it another way:

Those "mutha funkers"... Are they Ewok proof? Wow, that's one kick ass empire. :p

Star Trek all the way!


damn straight comrade! :lol:

[mista_mo]

Or, put it another way:

Those "mutha funkers"... Are they Ewok proof? Wow, that's one kick ass empire. :p

Star Trek all the way!

It's pretty funny you mention that though. In the expanded universe, There is a bit on Storm trooper armour being near immune to most melee weapons/ballistics. I cannot remember what book it was from, but basically, a storm trooper was having his armours resiliance to a thrown spear tested. They had a battle droid of some sort throw the spear, with a force of something like 400x as powerful as any living creature could throw one, and the trooper was hurled back a good 20 feet from the impact the spear made. The only damage was a tiny nick in the armours breast section and the trooper was unhurt.

If I can find the source i'll post it, but it gives a good indication of how the strength of the armour was retconned to be well, usefull.

but yes, the ewoks killed an entire legion of storm troopers and at-sts, with rocks and sticks and spears.

[EvilNed]

If I can find the source i'll post it, but it gives a good indication of how the strength of the armour was retconned to be well, usefull.

I don't really view that as retconning, as a fanboy (the author) desperatly trying to make up for past SW mistakes.

[bassman]

I don't see it as a mistake because I only like the films. If one were to enjoy the films but not read the books, the books mean nothing.

I really had no problem with the ewoks taking the storm troopers. The troopers were out numbered, anyway.