The Future

[Dead Hoosier]

If you had your choice, would you rather see:

1.) A sequel to Diary with the same characters

2.) A sequel to Diary but jumping characters (like Night, Dawn, Day, Land)

3.) A sequel to Land with the same characters

4.) A sequel to Land with new characters

I've never heard GAR talk about a post-Land story. Has anyone else?
Although it's far from a "classic," I liked Diary and wouldn't mind seeing a continuation of the story.
At this point, are we left to assume that if GAR does make another zombie film that it will be straight to DVD?

[clanglee]

I would like to see the surviving characters from Diary shoot Big Daddy in the head with their "gun of neverending bullets" and then get blown up by the ingenious detonation device that Big Daddy (while travelling back in time through the machine he invented using groans and hand gestures) had previously implanted into their van.

[sandrock74]

Just a movie using standard cameras, no fake documentary stuff anymore. It was ok for one movie, don't do it anymore.

Unless its done my Marty DiBergi, I've had my fill of "documenty" films.

[Yojimbo]

If you had your choice, would you rather see:

1.) A sequel to Diary with the same characters

2.) A sequel to Diary but jumping characters (like Night, Dawn, Day, Land)

3.) A sequel to Land with the same characters

4.) A sequel to Land with new characters

I've never heard GAR talk about a post-Land story. Has anyone else?
Although it's far from a "classic," I liked Diary and wouldn't mind seeing a continuation of the story.
At this point, are we left to assume that if GAR does make another zombie film that it will be straight to DVD?
My choice would be:

5.) A sixth installment of Romero's ghoul films that is not a sequel but an entirely new story with a fresh set of characters.

Honestly, the idea of Diary of the Dead 2 turns me off, and if it is made I kind of doubt that Romero would make it a direct sequel with the same characters.


I would like to see the surviving characters from Diary shoot Big Daddy in the head with their "gun of neverending bullets" and then get blown up by the ingenious detonation device that Big Daddy (while travelling back in time through the machine he invented using groans and hand gestures) had previously implanted into their van.

Now, I'd buy that for a dollar!:lol:

[ProfessorChaos]

i gotta agree with my boy jimbo here and say fug no to diary 2, with or without the same characters. a new movie with new characters and no ghouls with IQ's in the triple digits sounds like a good place to start, with the events unfolding around the same time used during dawn, about a month into the outbreak.

[Redman6565]

Didn't Romero have a larger script for Day? If so maybe build a movie off of what he didn't use. No Diary 2 or POV.

[zombieparanoia]

I'd like to see him make one that was a little lighter on the thudding "symbolism" and social commentary and focussed on making me scared. This is not to say that symbolism and social commentary are a bad thing, just please don't beat me over the head with them.

[acealive1]

Just a movie using standard cameras, no fake documentary stuff anymore. It was ok for one movie, don't do it anymore.

Unless its done my Marty DiBergi, I've had my fill of "documenty" films.



nice post

[Redman6565]

I'd like to see him make one that was a little lighter on the thudding "symbolism" and social commentary and focussed on making me scared. This is not to say that symbolism and social commentary are a bad thing, just please don't beat me over the head with them.

great point

[Dead Hoosier]

The problem is GAR became a victim of his own -- admitted -- accidental creation when it came to the social commentary. Now he's forcing it.

[Trin]

The problem is GAR became a victim of his own -- admitted -- accidental creation when it came to the social commentary. Now he's forcing it.Extremely well said.

I'll never get tired of seeing new takes on how people deal with the zombie problem. I don't care about what time frame it is set in. What keeps the Romero movies fresh is the situation and the characters. A small group in a farmhouse. 4 people in a mall. A group of researchers and military in an underground base. A larger survivor group in a fortified city. Even the college RV crew. It's interesting to see how each situation and group deals with the problem.

What I don't like is a thick paste of commentary clogging the works and confusing the storyline and character's actions. I also don't like new takes on the underlying problem. The zombie threat should stay the same zombie threat.

[Redman6565]

Yea GAR should just tell a story in the world as it exists and just let it happen. All the heavy stuff need not always be said with words either. Take Dawn 2004. The whole gang was sitting in the mall watching things unfold on TV and the main security guard says, "America always works it's $#!+ out". Then the camera goes to Ving who just looks at him. I thought that was powerful and Ving didn't say a word.

I think Diary would have been better served making the point of, what does a spoiled society who has everything handed to it do when nothing works. Are we smart enough to fix it are we willing to work hard enough to do so. All the things we take for granted are gone. Then we have all these dead people wanting to eat us on top of that. What happens when you can't turn to your church, the government, your neighbor, you name it. How do we cope? I'd like to watch that unfold.

[sandrock74]

Yea GAR should just tell a story in the world as it exists and just let it happen. All the heavy stuff need not always be said with words either. Take Dawn 2004. The whole gang was sitting in the mall watching things unfold on TV and the main security guard says, "America always works it's $#!+ out". Then the camera goes to Ving who just looks at him. I thought that was powerful and Ving didn't say a word.

I think Diary would have been better served making the point of, what does a spoiled society who has everything handed to it do when nothing works. Are we smart enough to fix it are we willing to work hard enough to do so. All the things we take for granted are gone. Then we have all these dead people wanting to eat us on top of that. What happens when you can't turn to your church, the government, your neighbor, you name it. How do we cope? I'd like to watch that unfold.

I agree. Watching the collapse of everything would be facinating to see.

[Redman6565]

I agree. Watching the collapse of everything would be facinating to see.

Dawn to Day would be a great movie.

[Legion2213]

I agree. Watching the collapse of everything would be facinating to see.

+1

I could watch a 9 hour trilogy of that stuff and still want more.

Collapse of modern society FTW. :cool:

Edit: as for shakycam, it should stay on Battlestar Galactica - Where it works well IMO

Edit2: GAR's "social commentary" - Yeah George, we get the picture mate, leave it alone now, it's tired, just make a good solid, kick-ass zombie flick for us.

[Redman6565]

In the real world you would have major loss of power inside of the first 48 hours. Think about that. Hundreds of thousands of people locked up in their homes with no power. No power to run anything. If it's summer no air to keep you cool and winter to could prove to be just as bad. With in a week I'd bet the clean water that pumps into your home is no longer treated and safe to drink. You also need to get what you need to manually get fule out of the pumps once the electric goes out. Even areas that get power from nuke plants would shut down very quickly.

Isn't it funny how these movies are refered to as 'survival horror' yet there always seems to be creature comforts that really wouldn't be there. Icould seemorepeopledying because they don't know howto live off the land thus not having the energy to deal with all those dead people wanting to eat them. The more ai think about it the more I think things would get bad really fast.

You always hear about these government think tanks that deal with what ifs. Like what if a major astroid hit the earth or what if we did receive a reply to S.E.T.I. from an intelligent life form. When you see movies like 28 Days/Weeks I wonder if their is some type of group that has thought about that. What if people were infected by some biological critter that makes them explode into 'rage' and kill. That could be a cool twist to add to the whole survivor stuff. How would people react if they see that their governments knew this could happen and left so many people to die. We already see this to an extint with 9/11. All those crazy folks who think it was an inside job. Just some more stuff to think about when the 'dead' hits the fan. :D

[jim102016]

+1

I could watch a 9 hour trilogy of that stuff and still want more.

Collapse of modern society FTW. :cool:

Edit: as for shakycam, it should stay on Battlestar Galactica - Where it works well IMO

Edit2: GAR's "social commentary" - Yeah George, we get the picture mate, leave it alone now, it's tired, just make a good solid, kick-ass zombie flick for us.


That sure would be nice, but I don't think he listens to feedback from his fans. Maybe I'm in the minority, but who the hell really wanted Diary? After watching Night, Dawn, and Day (Land is still in debate)...what kind of ****ing idiot would support this newest clump of crap?

I honestly think GAR needs to sit down one night and rewatch his first three films and re-establish the bond he once had with these movies. Words can not express how disappointed I was last Saturday night. Before he makes anymore movies, he needs to get back to basics. Seriously, the man's in bad shape!

[Redman6565]

That sure would be nice, but I don't think he listens to feedback from his fans. Maybe I'm in the minority, but who the hell really wanted Diary? After watching Night, Dawn, and Day (Land is still in debate)...what kind of ****ing idiot would support this newest clump of crap?

I honestly think GAR needs to sit down one night and rewatch his first three films and re-establish the bond he once had with these movies. Words can not express how disappointed I was last Saturday night. Before he makes anymore movies, he needs to get back to basics. Seriously, the man's in bad shape!


Yea Diary was bad. All over the place never making much sense at all really. He needs to read these posts. There are a lot of good points as to how and why Diary was so bad. I love GAR but Diary was not thought out. Maybe Zack Snyder should remake a trilogy off of his Dawn '04. He seems to get it. Dawn, Day, and Eve of the Dead.

[Philly_SWAT]

I've never heard GAR talk about a post-Land story. Has anyone else?
I have heard him talk about Day of the Dead many times...

[clanglee]

I have heard him talk about Day of the Dead many times...

:rolleyes:

[Mike70]

I honestly think GAR needs to sit down one night and rewatch his first three films and re-establish the bond he once had with these movies. Words can not express how disappointed I was last Saturday night. Before he makes anymore movies, he needs to get back to basics. Seriously, the man's in bad shape!

i think he needs to stop doing zombie films for a bit (or completely). he is on the verge of self-parody at this point and that is not a good thing.

and even though i did like diary (despite its flaws) i would like to see a sequel to diary about as much as i want bamboo stuffed under my toenails.

[Redman6565]

I don't like Diary because of it's many flaws but weather you liked or not what is the point of doing Diary 2? Is GAR doing this because he doesn't have to funds to focus on a zombie movie that deals with a larger scale than Diary? I know a lot of people like the GAR type of zombie but todays youth, I think, lean towards the Dawn '04 style. Kind of the same thing with young kids and baseball. Fewer play it because it's boring to them. They'd rather play non stop action video games or hard hitting sports like football.

Maybe Land killed the chance to get another well funded movie for GAR. I know he claims he doesn't like working that way but his best movie had more cash behind it. GAR's story telling in Diary was pretty bad. Maybe he'd be better off having someone to answer to. Such as, this really makes no sense not to have zombies all over the hospital inside of the first 24 hours. Or, maybe the news lady shouldn't just stand there so the zombie bites her face off. Diary was plain sad to see. :(

[Yojimbo]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but who the hell really wanted Diary? After watching Night, Dawn, and Day (Land is still in debate)...what kind of ****ing idiot would support this newest clump of crap?



Sorry Jim, but I admit that I am that kind of idiot. I wanted Diary (or more succinctly I wanted another GAR film) I enjoyed Diary and feel that Romero was in good form on this one. I understand that there are many who feel differently about the film and, to me, it is perfectly OK that Diary was not universally liked by all. That being said, I would rather have a new ghoul film from Romero than a Diary "sequel" per se.


I know a lot of people like the GAR type of zombie but todays youth, I think, lean towards the Dawn '04 style.

I hear what you are saying about the short attention spans of the youth of today, but let us not fall into a place where we wish that GAR changes his styles to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Personally, I am sick of movies that are put together specifically for the tween audience.


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I know he claims he doesn't like working that way but his best movie had more cash behind it.

What movie are you referring to? As far as I am concerned, MARTIN was Romero's best work and it was done on a budget that was comparable to that of NOLD 68. I know it is a matter of personal opinion and taste, but I am just wondering what film you are referring to when you speak of Romero's best movie having more cash behind it than Diary?


Maybe Zack Snyder should remake a trilogy off of his Dawn '04. He seems to get it. Dawn, Day, and Eve of the Dead.

Nooooooooooo!

[Redman6565]

:rolleyes:

Clanglee, didn't you like Day? Just wondering.


Sorry Jim, but I admit that I am that kind of idiot. I wanted Diary (or more succinctly I wanted another GAR film) I enjoyed Diary and feel that Romero was in good form on this one. I understand that there are many who feel differently about the film and, to me, it is perfectly OK that Diary was not universally liked by all. That being said, I would rather have a new ghoul film from Romero than a Diary "sequel" per se.



I hear what you are saying about the short attention spans of the youth of today, but let us not fall into a place where we wish that GAR changes his styles to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Personally, I am sick of movies that are put together specifically for the tween audience.



What movie are you referring to? As far as I am concerned, MARTIN was Romero's best work and it was done on a budget that was comparable to that of NOLD 68. I know it is a matter of personal opinion and taste, but I am just wondering what film you are referring to when you speak of Romero's best movie having more cash behind it than Diary?



Nooooooooooo!

I don't want GAR to change his style I just want what he does to make sense. Diary had to much throughout that did not make sense at all. An empty hospital that soon in to things going the diretion they were? The black NG guys and not a zombie in site besides the one walking around inside (for pure shock value). Why did the zombies in the pool wait to get out when the other zombies got to the house? These are only a few problems I see and there is no excuse for this kind of lazy story telling. The points I am talking about have nothing to do with personl taste these aremajor flaws in this movie. Diary really was not thought out well by GAR at all.

Didn't Dawn have a larger budget than Diary?

As for both Dawn movies they both were action movies. One had all thezombies running and the other had only the kid zombies run (which makes no sense). Zack Snyder was great on Dawn '04.

[Yojimbo]

Clanglee, didn't you like Day? Just wondering.



I don't want GAR to change his style I just want what he does to make sense. Diary had to much throughout that did not make sense at all. An empty hospital that soon in to things going the diretion they were? The black NG guys and not a zombie in site besides the one walking around inside (for pure shock value). Why did the zombies in the pool wait to get out when the other zombies got to the house? These are only a few problems I see and there is no excuse for this kind of lazy story telling. The points I am talking about have nothing to do with personl taste these aremajor flaws in this movie. Diary really was not thought out well by GAR at all.

Didn't Dawn have a larger budget than Diary?

As for both Dawn movies they both were action movies. One had all thezombies running and the other had only the kid zombies run (which makes no sense). Zack Snyder was great on Dawn '04.

I guess it is a matter of your point of view, but I don't really see the gaps in logic in diary that you see. You have argued that there are major flaws in Diary, and I counter that I do not see those items that you have pointed out as being flawed in any way, so in that sense it is indeed a matter of personal taste and not a matter of fact that these issues are or are not flaws.

Here are my views on what you have deemed gaps in logic:

The hospital being empty: Everyone ran away!

The lack of zombies around the millita: the millita and the townies exterminated them.

The zombies in the pool: They did not think to get out until they saw the other zombies shambling towards the house.

I do not mean that the above statements, speculative as they are, in any way refutes the points you have brought up. But you have declared Romero of being guilty of lazy story telling and then you state that this is not a matter of opinion or taste but actual evidence of directorial and storytelling flaws. I mean only to point out that your statements are based on taste and opinion, and while you are certainly entitled to them, they are not indisputable fact.

Again (this too, a matter of taste & opinion) while I agree that Snyder did a tremendous job on the first 20 minutes of Dawn 04, I think that the rest of the movie was predictable, formulaic, made for MTV tweens, and not worthy to carry the title of the classic. The character development was trash, the characters themselves were sterotypical and flat, and there are gaps in logic presented in DAWN 04 which confound me.

I am not sure what the actual budget of Diary was, but I am guessing that it was probably along the lines of what DAWN 78 was done, not factoring for inflation. One thing to keep in mind is the indie environment that DAWN 78 was made -- it was a non-union gig so they did not have to pay workers and actors union scale and were able to handle issues without the oversight of the teamsters and other union groups, they got the location virtually free of charge, extras were paid minimally, like a sandwich and a dollar in some cases for showing up for the whole evening. Cops and Firemen, and National Guard troops volunteer to show up for scenes for free. So these elements, among others, helped the film to stay low cost. Diary, in spite of the guerilla style of filmaking, did not enjoy the same production benefits that DAWN 78 had.

EDIT: On the subject of the fast kids in Dawn, I argue that they were not really running, but moving quickly. We did not actually see the two little kids sprinting around like track and field athletes - as Zack the Hack portrayed the recently dead doing in his ultra misnamed film - but rather we saw them close a distance of a few paces quickly. Other zombies in the Dawn also moved at this speed. The elevator zombies, for example. also burst in rather quickly, and I argue that they moved at the same speed as the two little kids at the airport. Screwdriver zombie grabbed a running Roger rather quickly, and while he did not move his feet very far to do so, he did grab Roger at a nice speed. There was also one of those zombies in the hallway leading to the hideout that grappled with Stephen pretty quickly and efficiently while Peter yelled at him to "Run this way!" At least as far as I am concerned the two fast kids - and I admit that they were quick - were in this regard not too out of the ordinary for the film.

[clanglee]

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Clanglee, didn't you like Day? Just wondering.



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I was rolling my eyes at Philly's timeline statement. :D We all know how he feels about the timeline of the movies.


But no, I wasn't exactly impressed with the movie. I didn't hate it, but I didn't really like it either. It was. . meh. :|

[ipotts85]

in response to the social commentary question, i'd have to say at least romero is attempting to elevate the genre...i think that zombie movies just for the sake of zombies ripping out people's guts is what has become a parody, and stripping romero's films of their subtext (which has always been a strong point of the films, even if it has at times come off heavy-handed) would make them like every other low rent zombie movie.

[SymphonicX]

Haven't seen Diary but I really don't want another POV movie from George, he's made his mark on that genre, time to move on. I don't like direct sequels to the Dead universe, I think it's a bit of a cop-out. There are many interesting characters we could hear about, so let's get 'em on the screen.

What I want to see is Land of the Dead with 20 or 30 minutes of character, town raids, human munching, back story, LOGIC (like why is there money, power etc, how was FG built?) and much, much, much less of Big Daddy.


in response to the social commentary question, i'd have to say at least romero is attempting to elevate the genre...i think that zombie movies just for the sake of zombies ripping out people's guts is what has become a parody, and stripping romero's films of their subtext (which has always been a strong point of the films, even if it has at times come off heavy-handed) would make them like every other low rent zombie movie.

perfectly, eloquently said :)

[Danny]

id love to see the land t v series idea come to fruition, like a zombie road movie yknow? as they travel north, kinda like the early issues of the walking dead, only in romeros universe with riley, Pillsbury and the bitches whos names i cant remember.

[Lord_Galvatron]

I wonder if people realize... what makes George Romero's zombie movies what they are IS the social commentary. Take that off and we have a brainless film.

I'm looking forward to see what Romero will say in his next movie.

[Carrie]

I just finished a book by Max Brooks called "World War Z". First zombie book I've read and I love it as much as the zombie movies. The first thing I thought when I finished it was "I wish GAR would make this into a movie!" It is a collection of interviews with survivors. After watching Diary, which I enjoyed, I think he'd do a great job of bringing this book to film.

[Dillinger]

I'd rather see Romero make the original script for Day of the Dead. If I was him, i'd write Land and Diary off as losses and lock them in a vault somewhere far, far away. I didn't give a damn about any character in Land or Diary. In fact, I disliked the characters so much I wanted them all to suffer horrible, bloody deaths.

I would like to see Day (still my favorite) done right or something altogether new, but still a continuation of the Night, Dawn, Day universe. If those two things are impossible, i'd like Romero do another film like The Crazies.

EDIT: A remake of Martin (with an actual budget this time) would be kind of cool too.

[Dead Hoosier]

World War Z is coming to life, but via Brad Pitt's Plan B Entertainment company. Should be a winner.

[clanglee]

Alright, this is twice that I've heard the whole "the subtext is what makes romero zombie movies great" thing. I must respectfully disagree. The subtext in Night was completely accidental, and the subtext in Dawn was obvious but not overpowering and largely secondary to the story. The message in Day was well done, told through the story, and once again, not overpowering, just kinda there if you want to look a bit deeper. But in all these films, the subtext is largely put on the movie by the audience, and not George himself.

Then we come to Bland. George has been told by all his fans "Oh George, please make another zombie movie. We love your social comentary and how very deep your movies are. . . " So George finally gives us another zombie movie. . . . and proceeds to beat us about the head and ears with obvious and singular "social comentary" and fails to deliver the zombies.

So he tried the making a movie for the social commentary thing, and it fails(IMO). So does he go back to basics? Put zombies first and message second?

No

Diary comes out and this time he shoves the message at us from all angles. Uncle George is like. . "here comes the subtext choo-choo!! open wide!!" I am not an infant or an idiot. I don't need my messages spoonfed. And while I do admit that George's STORIES are what makes his films great. He used to better at working his message into a GOOD story.

The main reason I like zombie films is zombies. I like to see how people react to the situation and what they will do. I like the stories. Not the social comentary.




Ummmm. . .so sorry about that. . . went off on a bit of a rant there. No more tequila for me tonight.

[capncnut]

I just finished a book by Max Brooks called "World War Z". First zombie book I've read and I love it as much as the zombie movies. The first thing I thought when I finished it was "I wish GAR would make this into a movie!"
WWZ is currently in the process of being scripted for a movie with a projected release date of 2009/10. A lot of people here are excited about it.

[Trin]

Alright, this is twice that I've heard the whole "the subtext is what makes romero zombie movies great" thing. I must respectfully disagree. The subtext in Night was completely accidental, and the subtext in Dawn was obvious but not overpowering and largely secondary to the story. The message in Day was well done, told through the story, and once again, not overpowering, just kinda there if you want to look a bit deeper. But in all these films, the subtext is largely put on the movie by the audience, and not George himself.

Then we come to Bland. George has been told by all his fans "Oh George, please make another zombie movie. We love your social comentary and how very deep your movies are. . . " So George finally gives us another zombie movie. . . . and proceeds to beat us about the head and ears with obvious and singular "social comentary" and fails to deliver the zombies.

So he tried the making a movie for the social commentary thing, and it fails(IMO). So does he go back to basics? Put zombies first and message second?

No

Diary comes out and this time he shoves the message at us from all angles. Uncle George is like. . "here comes the subtext choo-choo!! open wide!!" I am not an infant or an idiot. I don't need my messages spoonfed. And while I do admit that George's STORIES are what makes his films great. He used to better at working his message into a GOOD story.

The main reason I like zombie films is zombies. I like to see how people react to the situation and what they will do. I like the stories. Not the social comentary.




Ummmm. . .so sorry about that. . . went off on a bit of a rant there. No more tequila for me tonight.This post about sums up all my thoughts and frustrations with GAR's commentary. I particulary like how you've noted the change in perception his commentary has undergone through the years. Few people really get how little the commentary was discussed back when the movies were released. And how GAR refuted any notion that the commentary was intentional. Oh how the story has changed. And woe is all of us GAR zombie fans for that change.

So I'll raise my shot of tequila to you. Well said clang!! Well said!!

[Redman6565]

I think GAR has taken this stuff way to serious. Come on, it's zombie movies. Lighten up. :) Some fans are the problem behind this. They put so much thought into this nonsense it ruins the movies. The reason I like both Dawn's is the fact that they threw the problem in your face and had a deal with it attitude. I couldn't care less about any social babble that may or may not be there.

[EvilNed]

Alright, this is twice that I've heard the whole "the subtext is what makes romero zombie movies great" thing. I must respectfully disagree. The subtext in Night was completely accidental, and the subtext in Dawn was obvious but not overpowering and largely secondary to the story. The message in Day was well done, told through the story, and once again, not overpowering, just kinda there if you want to look a bit deeper. But in all these films, the subtext is largely put on the movie by the audience, and not George himself.

As it is with ALL movies, and is exactly why art is subjective. You cannot say that the subtext isn't there, and isn't important. Because to some it is vastly important. To others it is not. Wether the artist intended it or not, films will always, always reflect the mind of the director. Wether he is aware of it or not. And thus it opens up for endless discussion.

Wether the subtext was intended or not doesn't really matter. It's still there.

[clanglee]

As it is with ALL movies, and is exactly why art is subjective. You cannot say that the subtext isn't there, and isn't important. Because to some it is vastly important. To others it is not. Wether the artist intended it or not, films will always, always reflect the mind of the director. Wether he is aware of it or not. And thus it opens up for endless discussion.

Wether the subtext was intended or not doesn't really matter. It's still there.

But to make movies now, focusing on the message, just because the audience says that the subtext is what was great about your movies in the first place, causes the movies to suffer. And to say that without the social commentary, GAR's movies would just be another stupid zombie movie is ill informed and bandwagony.(new word) Zombie movies can be great, as long as the story is good. The story doesn't have to be ABOUT the social commentary though. When you do that, the movie becomes obviously preachy and . . well. . . less enjoyable.

[EvilNed]

But to make movies now, focusing on the message, just because the audience says that the subtext is what was great about your movies in the first place, causes the movies to suffer.

True. I always enjoyed the psychological aspects of the films more. But the last film used complete stereotype characters.

[clanglee]

True. I always enjoyed the psychological aspects of the films more. But the last film used complete stereotype characters.

Very much so.

[Trin]

I like the whole "movies are art and the audience gets from it what they will" argument. That was true for Night, Dawn, and Day. But GAR was a storyteller back then. Recent GAR movies don't work so well with that argument because the commentary IS the story. It's no longer a subtext. It's no longer a reflection of the events and times.

Let's face it - looking for meaning in a GAR movie these days is like fishing a pay lake. You know you're going to catch something before you ever bait your line because they stock the damn thing so full you can't cast and NOT catch something.

[clanglee]

Excellent analogy Trin!

[jim102016]

WWZ is currently in the process of being scripted for a movie with a projected release date of 2009/10. A lot of people here are excited about it.

WWZ does sound interesting. I just hope it isn't overshadowed by some pro-Hollywood message.