Hiroshima...

[Neil]

A collection of images... Not pleasant viewing of course...

http://fogonazos.blogspot.com/2007/02/hiroshima-pictures-they-didnt-want-us_05.html

[EvilNed]

World War 2 was the single (even though it wasn't single) most important war, event or era in the history of mankind. It's important that we never forget any part of it, and that we do not judge to harshly. There were no saints in that war. We must remember it, however, so that we can make sure it never happens again.

[bassman]

That atomic eye photo is wicked....

[Usumgal]

the people who got super powers from it. Like Sushiman and Bambooguy

[MikePizzoff]

The pictures are very sad/disturbing/chilling. Can you imagine being a victim of the blast? Not at ground zero, but far enough away that you survive and are completely deformed from the flash/blast. Not only do you have to go through probably the most painful thing ever, but you also have to witness murder, and destruction, on an astronomical scale... all in the blink of an eye.

[SymphonicX]

"65% of the dead were children under 9 years old..."

One of the darkest things we've ever done to human beings...and today it continues...just not in a nuclear capacity. Have we learned anything? No. This is the human condition....

[Dillinger]

My old neighbor in rural Missouri was a survivor of the Bataan death march. His son and my father went to school together and remained pretty decent friends and worked at Armco steel together for many years. Herb was his name and his son's name is Jerry. I sat and listend to a few things Jerry told my dad about the stuff his dad went through and some of that stuff will make the hair on the back of your neck stand on end. I've never been in the service and thank the Lord never been put in that kind of situation, but I do have a little knowledge of the toll war can take on a person. My maternal great uncle, my grandma's brother served in Korea, and just a hair over a year after he came home committed suicide. I'm just rambling, but what i'm saying is war is just a Goddamn tragedy and it's really bad when it spills over to civilian centers like when the krauts were bombing London or when the allies were bombing Dresden or when we dropped "two purple bastards on those little yellow bug-eyed mother****ers.*"

Unfortunately, that's how the Japanese were percieved and that's how the people justify nuking two cities with little to no military significance whatsoever. But then again, I look at what happend to Herby and I start justifying Nagasaki and Hiroshima myself. So really I don't know what I think about Hiroshima. One part of me says they were at war with my country, kill 'em all, and another part knows damn good and well that nobody deserves that.

*Kurt Vonnegut

[EvilNed]

Considering Japan had declared itself fighting a "Total War", and that Nagasaki and Hiroshima were great industrial centers, I will say that I percieve them as quite significant military targets.

However, they certainly could have warned the citizens of the city first. Give them a day or two to clear out. Or maybe they would have been forced to stay, like the russian citizens in Stalingrad who were prohibited from leaving the city due to the morale of the troops...

[Khardis]

As sad as it was, the bombs were the most humane thing to do. A land invasion would have cost us and them 10X more deaths than the meager 200-300 thousand that died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Hardly as many as were butchered when the Imperial scum-bag japanese took China and south Asia. IMO they got off light. And I think they should be thankful we did that for them so they could surrender and become our puppets. It worked out well for them in the long run anyway.

[EvilNed]

As sad as it was, the bombs were the most humane thing to do. A land invasion would have cost us and them 10X more deaths than the meager 200-300 thousand that died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Hardly as many as were butchered when the Imperial scum-bag japanese took China and south Asia. IMO they got off light. And I think they should be thankful we did that for them so they could surrender and become our puppets. It worked out well for them in the long run anyway.

Harsh words, but I actually agree with the essence of it. Except for the reasoning that Japan "got of light" or that they "had it coming" due to what they did in SE Asia and China. You don't kill civilians for what their leaders did. Then we should round up and kill millions of Americans right here and now.

No, but the bombs were the most humane, and sensible, thing to do. Less lives lost. It is by no means less of a tragedy. But I can only shiver with horror when thinking about the alternative.

[Legion2213]

If Germany or Japan had had a nuclear capability, they would've dropped more than two nukes, these are the people responsible for the holocaust and the rape of Nanking, I refuse to feel "guilty" about Dresden or Hiroshima.

If dropping those bombs saved one allied life than it was worth it IMO.

Sorry to seem so calous, but I always thought the idea of war was to inflict as many casualties on the enemy as you can whilst limiting the casualties among your own people...that's exactly what the US did when nuking Japan, they also (as pointed out by others) most likely saved a few million Japanese lives by not having to invade the Japanese mainland.

[Yojimbo]

Having lost family members in Hiroshima with other family members suffering long term disease from the blast, in addition to having visited the site of the bombing as a child and being deeply affected by what I saw, I find it difficult to be objective about this subject.

Certainly to some degree I understand and accept that the atomic bomb was necessary to end the war. My own grandfather who served in the US Army Air Corp probably would have died in battle had the war not ended as it did. So as an American, I know that the bomb actually may have saved lives. I understand it was a time of war and war is lousy, and the Japanese Army perpetrated some evil junk, but know that my family members who died in the atomic blast had nothing to do with Nanking, or Pearl Harbor, or Battan. So, please forgive me if I am being overly sensitive, but I just don't find any part of it humorous or glorious in any way.

[mista_mo]

So, please forgive me if I am being overly sensitive, but I just don't find any part of it humorous or glorious in any way.


There is nothing more glorious then the slaughter of ones enemies.

[Khardis]

Having lost family members in Hiroshima with other family members suffering long term disease from the blast, in addition to having visited the site of the bombing as a child and being deeply affected by what I saw, I find it difficult to be objective about this subject.

Certainly to some degree I understand and accept that the atomic bomb was necessary to end the war. My own grandfather who served in the US Army Air Corp probably would have died in battle had the war not ended as it did. So as an American, I know that the bomb actually may have saved lives. I understand it was a time of war and war is lousy, and the Japanese Army perpetrated some evil junk, but know that my family members who died in the atomic blast had nothing to do with Nanking, or Pearl Harbor, or Battan. So, please forgive me if I am being overly sensitive, but I just don't find any part of it humorous or glorious in any way.

Not that I am saying your ancestors were guilty of anything in Nanking but SOME people like say Ward CHurchill a rabid america hating communist claims that no one in society is 100% innocent when they go to work and pay their taxes while their government perpetrates wrongs. He even called the people who died on 9/11 "little Eichmanns".

[EvilNed]

If Germany or Japan had had a nuclear capability, they would've dropped more than two nukes, these are the people responsible for the holocaust and the rape of Nanking, I refuse to feel "guilty" about Dresden or Hiroshima.

Ok, so your government goes to war. You are against it. You and your family get bombed and killed because hey, you were living in an area occupied by the government (which you hated in the first place).

Something tells me you didn't think your statement through enough, or that you did and you're simply one of those guys capable of mass-murder.

[Yojimbo]

There is nothing more glorious then the slaughter of ones enemies.

Guess that is supposed to be funny.


Not that I am saying your ancestors were guilty of anything in Nanking but SOME people like say Ward CHurchill a rabid america hating communist claims that no one in society is 100% innocent when they go to work and pay their taxes while their government perpetrates wrongs. He even called the people who died on 9/11 "little Eichmanns".

Khardis, I hear you, brother, and we are cool.

Extremists can exist in any given situation, and frankly they tend to see everything in terms of black and white. Someone like Ward Churchill, I would suppose would find the killing of infants in Hiroshima at the hands of American bombs justifiable on some level.

[Mike70]

Not that I am saying your ancestors were guilty of anything in Nanking but SOME people like say Ward CHurchill a rabid america hating communist claims that no one in society is 100% innocent when they go to work and pay their taxes while their government perpetrates wrongs. He even called the people who died on 9/11 "little Eichmanns".

ward churchill is a wart on the ass of good academia. the man is fuc*ing embarrassment to his profession, his country and himself. let me lay out a blanket over this idiot and his "theories" - anyone that likes what this guy has to say is a sonofabitch and needs a swift kick in the dangly parts.

as for hiroshima -

with all the trouble in the world that we live in, i find it rather odd that people continue to get bent out of shape over something that happened 63 years ago. there have been far, far worse things perpetrated by people than hiroshima.

sure my family fought in WWII against the germans and the japanese. that doesn't mean by any stretch of the imagination that i should have any personal involvement in events that happened 25+ years before i was born. we have to live in the here and now.

i also don't believe in generational guilt. we are not responsible for the actions of others and certainly not responsible for actions that happened before we were born.

whose ancestors did what to whom is of absolutely no concern to me. the only thing that matters is how we treat each other in the here and now.

[Legion2213]

Ok, so your government goes to war. You are against it. You and your family get bombed and killed because hey, you were living in an area occupied by the government (which you hated in the first place).

Something tells me you didn't think your statement through enough, or that you did and you're simply one of those guys capable of mass-murder.

Yeah that's right, I am a mass murderer. :rolleyes:

Idiot.

[SRP76]

Yeah that's right, I am a mass murderer.

Holy crap! Everyone hide!

[Yojimbo]

i also don't believe in generational guilt. we are not responsible for the actions of others and certainly not responsible for actions that happened before we were born.

whose ancestors did what to whom is of absolutely no concern to me. the only thing that matters is how we treat each other in the here and now.

I understand what you are saying Scipio, and agree that it is far more important to live in the present. Certainly there are many issues that are of great importance today that we can lose our cool over.

But it is important to remember what has happened in the past -- what worked, what did not work, what could have been done differently -- or like the cliche goes: we will be doomed to repeat the mistakes of our past.

Which is to say that I don't feel that folks should feel guilt over the decisions made by the preceeding generations and I am in total agreement that, as you pointed out, what matters most is how we treat each other in the here and now.

So if I appear to be bent out of shape over this issue, please forgive me for this was not my intention.

[Legion2213]

Holy crap! Everyone hide!

It's true, Evil Ned sez so!

That'll be because I don't cry crocodile tears about a city that was bombed decades before I was born...apparently.

[SRP76]

Things happen in wars. If your country is at war (especially on this scale, with the enitre planet caught up in it), you're at risk. Japan had been invading and attacking people for at least 9 years at that point. By that time, anyone that didn't realize they stood a chance at being obliterated was lying to himself. And any civilian that didn't know he was part of Japan was also lying to himself.

[Mike70]

Yeah that's right, I am a mass murderer.

laws no! everyone head for the hills legion's done come off'n his chain!


I understand what you are saying Scipio, and agree that it is far more important to live in the present. Certainly there are many issues that are of great importance today that we can lose our cool over.


yes it is important to stay mindful of the past but not to the point that you become wrapped up in it.

[Yojimbo]

Things happen in wars. If your country is at war (especially on this scale, with the enitre planet caught up in it), you're at risk. Japan had been invading and attacking people for at least 9 years at that point. By that time, anyone that didn't realize they stood a chance at being obliterated was lying to himself. And any civilian that didn't know he was part of Japan was also lying to himself.

Fair enough. It is true that the civilians all realized that they stood a chance at obliteration, but realistically, I do not know what they could have done to prevent this even if they disagreed with the regime. It certainly was not their fault that their government was bent on world domination, and I can say that my family in Hiroshima were not connected with the government any more than being simple subjects of the emperor. And yet they died, some may feel that it was justified, others less so and in the end they still are dead.


People: I am neither blaming anyone here for the bomb, nor do I desire anyone to feel guilt about the bomb -- please keep that in mind folks. I just feel that the entire thing was very tragic for those who died. Soldiers dying - well, that is par for the course in any war. Civilians dying - to me that is ultimately tragic, whether it be in Somalia, or Dachau or Batann, or the twin towers in New York -- and this is my only point. To revel in the destruction that occured, or to be gleeful in the face of countless dead just makes me sad.



yes it is important to stay mindful of the past but not to the point that you become wrapped up in it.

Well said, scipio. I agree.

[Danny]

Fair enough. It is true that the civilians all realized that they stood a chance at obliteration, but realistically, I do not know what they could have done to prevent this even if they disagreed with the regime. It certainly was not their fault that their government was bent on world domination, and I can say that my family in Hiroshima were not connected with the government any more than being simple subjects of the emperor. And yet they died, some may feel that it was justified, others less so and in the end they still are dead.


People: I am neither blaming anyone here for the bomb, nor do I desire anyone to feel guilt about the bomb -- please keep that in mind folks. I just feel that the entire thing was very tragic for those who died. Soldiers dying - well, that is par for the course in any war. Civilians dying - to me that is ultimately tragic, whether it be in Somalia, or Dachau or Batann, or the twin towers in New York -- and this is my only point. To revel in the destruction that occured, or to be gleeful in the face of countless dead just makes me sad.



Well said, scipio. I agree.


well thats good then, we can cross everyone here off the list of people who may have nuked places then :D

seriously though it was a horrible thing to happen, i dont just mean for the people though, people always focus on people in war, not the ramifications, nukes mean radiation, theres like half a dozen spots at least on this planet that are radioactive now because of one species out of millions.
I hate the notion of war, political borders at the end of the day are just invisible lines over continents, its people that cuase them, not countries, but its foolish to think a race like ours can change like that, id just much rather see armies not use weapons that can actually damage the planet itself in such a way yknow?, hell there could be aworld war 3 and instead of just wiping our own collective asses out we could probably turn the planet into an irradiated rotten applecore and poison everything else long after were gone.

as for the generation thing, i dont go up to a japanese person and blame them for pearl harbour, i dont go up to german people and blame them for the holocaust.

only letting uwe boll out.

[SRP76]

well thats good then, we can cross everyone here off the list of people who may have nuked places then :D



Well, there was this one unfortunate night in Peru with a hooker, a midget, a gallon of wine and some uranium.....

[EvilNed]

Yeah that's right, I am a mass murderer. :rolleyes:

Idiot.

I never said you were. I simply equated your morals to one (if you meant what you said). Personally, I find it distasteful. But I've come to realize there are some people who simply don't value human life. Sadly.

And no, it's not because you don't cry crocodile tears. Grow up.

[SRP76]

But I've come to realize there are some people who simply don't value human life.

I do: my own. Just like everyone else. You're not going to end something like World War II without plenty of death. It's just a matter of who will do the dying: you, or the other group. That's an easy choice. Nobody's going to allow themselves to be killed just so people decades later can give them a stamp of approval.

[EvilNed]

I do: my own. Just like everyone else. You're not going to end something like World War II without plenty of death. It's just a matter of who will do the dying: you, or the other group. That's an easy choice. Nobody's going to allow themselves to be killed just so people decades later can give them a stamp of approval.

No, you're not going to end something like WW2 without ending lots of lives. However, this is NOT an excuse for you not to have any sympathy or not to recognize a tragedy when you see one. Perhaps it's just todays peoplem. They're used to seeing war from behind a television screen.

Let me quote Harry Patch, one of the last living survivors of WW1:

"I fell in a trench. There was a fella there. He must have been about our age. He was ripped shoulder to waist with shrapnel. I held his hand for the last 60 seconds of his life. He only said one word: 'Mother'. I didn't see her, but she was there. No doubt about it. He passed from this life into the next, and it felt as if I was in God's presence. I've never got over it. You never forget it. Never."

This is just a short paragraph, but it still strikes me as something very sad and I, at least, value that human life. I value all human life. Especially when you're familiar with the horror and injustice that normal people are confronted with in times of war, just because their leaders are assholes.

I find it sad that you say that you do not value human life. Perhaps that's the difference between a capitalist and a communist, eh?

[SRP76]

It happens. It was a war. This isn't a fantasy world; people die, and always will. Getting worked up about it is useless. Especially when they have no love for you, either.

[Terran]

I wish there was more pictures on that site.

[EvilNed]

It happens. It was a war. This isn't a fantasy world; people die, and always will. Getting worked up about it is useless. Especially when they have no love for you, either.

As I said:


No, you're not going to end something like WW2 without ending lots of lives. However, this is NOT an excuse for you not to have any sympathy or not to recognize a tragedy when you see one. Perhaps it's just todays people. They're used to seeing war from behind a television screen.

I thought we washed away with your kind of mentality during the 40's. Apparently not. I guess then, as a species, we learned nothing.

[Terran]

As I said:



I thought we washed away with your kind of mentality during the 40's. Apparently not. I guess then, as a species, we learned nothing.

Well it says he is from florida....maybe hes in his 80's ....:D


Ooooh big burn, Florida Seniors! :clown:

[MikePizzoff]

I'm not pointing any fingers, but I find it slightly amusing, in the ironic sense, that some people will be like "Hiroshima? Who cares. It was so long ago. People die all the time." but will also be all "9/11! NEVER FORGET!" ... I know one was done IN a war and one STARTED a war... but it doesn't change the fact that both incidents involved many innocent people.

[Tricky]

What was the solution to the war in the pacific then?its ok arguing that they shouldnt have dropped the bombs but im not seeing any suggestions as to how else would they have brought an end to the war?should they have gone ahead with the land invasion of mainland japan?levelled the country with more conventional bombs?diplomacy clearly wasnt going to work...

[SymphonicX]

This thread has descended into a farce. We shouldn't all be bitching about this.

Here's some bottom lines for you all:

Hiroshima was a dark patch on humanity, as was WW2.
Many innocent people died and regardless of the reason, we should be mindful of that.
There is no trivialising anyone's involvement in WW2.
And this situation has never had anything to do with 9/11 so comparisons should end.
The 2nd World War is over and so are the events of 9/11, time to progress.

[Yojimbo]

What was the solution to the war in the pacific then?its ok arguing that they shouldnt have dropped the bombs but im not seeing any suggestions as to how else would they have brought an end to the war?should they have gone ahead with the land invasion of mainland japan?levelled the country with more conventional bombs?diplomacy clearly wasnt going to work...

You make some very good points and certainly I do not have a better solution to ending the conflict than the one that was executed. As I have previously stated, my own grandfather was slated to go into combat with the United States Army Air Corp and probably would have died if the bomb had not been dropped.

I do think, however, that some compassion is due for what had happened to the innocent civilians who were bombed in Hiroshima, in spite of their enemy status at the time of the bombing. I do not feel that the two - that is, belief that the war could not have been ended otherwise, and the feeling of compassion for the civilians who ended up becoming the victims of this solution -- are mutually exclusive. I do not equate compassion for suffering with feelings of guilt. By way of example, I feel no personal guilt for what occured at Dachau and Treblinka, however do feel a great amount of sadness for the suffering that the victims of the concentration camps went through. Similiarly, I feel compassion for those who were killed by the Chinese government at Tianamen Square, yet no guilt for their deaths. My heart goes out to the villagers at My Lai for their suffering, yet I personally am not guilty for what occured there.

Again, I am not attempting to make anyone feel guilty about the atrocities of a war which occured before they were born, a war which they themselves had no involvement in. Yes, indeed, we should not live in the past, but it is not necessary to live in the past to feel compassion for the suffering of people, be they our contemporaries or our predecessors.

Yes, there is not that much in common between 9/11 and Hiroshima. But in both circumstances people who did not deserve to die were killed. Can we not be saddened by wholescale loss of life without political sentiments entering into the equation?

[Usumgal]

You've all really been that badly brainwashed haven't you.

The japs sucker punch us at Pearl!

The entire japanese populace was being trained so that in case of an invasion, the only other option, every single man woman and child would be a threat!

And you wanna talk about how sick all of this is? Ask any chinese person about what the japs used to do to their POWs. The sick experimants that were even too sick for the nazis!

Imagine being a chinese POW in -30 degree weather, and having you arm dipped in warm water just so a japanese "scientist" could pull your skin off like a glove just to see what would happen! Thats the people you're mourning! A culture that not only attacked us and SIDED WITH NAZI GERMANY but did that type of sick crap?:mad:

Yeah. Poor them.

[Yojimbo]

You've all really been that badly brainwashed haven't you.

The japs sucker punch us at Pearl!

The entire japanese populace was being trained so that in case of an invasion, the only other option, every single man woman and child would be a threat!

And you wanna talk about how sick all of this is? Ask any chinese person about what the japs used to do to their POWs. The sick experimants that were even too sick for the nazis!

Imagine being a chinese POW in -30 degree weather, and having you arm dipped in warm water just so a japanese "scientist" could pull your skin off like a glove just to see what would happen! Thats the people you're mourning! A culture that not only attacked us and SIDED WITH NAZI GERMANY but did that type of sick crap?:mad:

Yeah. Poor them.



By stating that I feel compassion for those who suffered in Hiroshima, I am not excusing the atrocities committed by the Japanese war criminals during world war II. Certainly they did many horrible things that are inexcusable.
To feel compassion for people who have suffered, in any event does not immediately mean that I have been brainwashed.

While you are entitled to your opinions, I take exception to your use of racial pejoratives and find the use of the term "Jap" personally offensive and request that you refrain from such terms of hatred in the future. There is no need to racially insult people here.

Can we not discuss our differences in opinion without degenerating into this sort of silliness? It is exactly rhetoric such as yours which will end up getting this thread locked down, and it is hatred, in the end, that will cut off constructive dialogue.

[EvilNed]

You've all really been that badly brainwashed haven't you.

The japs sucker punch us at Pearl!

The entire japanese populace was being trained so that in case of an invasion, the only other option, every single man woman and child would be a threat!

And you wanna talk about how sick all of this is? Ask any chinese person about what the japs used to do to their POWs. The sick experimants that were even too sick for the nazis!

Imagine being a chinese POW in -30 degree weather, and having you arm dipped in warm water just so a japanese "scientist" could pull your skin off like a glove just to see what would happen! Thats the people you're mourning! A culture that not only attacked us and SIDED WITH NAZI GERMANY but did that type of sick crap?:mad:

Yeah. Poor them.

You're judging an entire society for what a few of them did. Now, hmm. Where else have I heard that?

Oh yeah, the nazis did exactly that. Again. Have we learned nothing...

And Tricky, I'm not saying that the bombs shouldn't have been dropped. I'm just saying it was a huge loss of human life and a severe tragedy. They could have warned the citizens, of course. They could have blockaded Japan.

But then again, blockading Japan wouldn't work because Russia was already ready to invade. Infact, Russias invasion plans were already close to being commenced. Had the war dragged on for another month, the red army would have stepped ashore in Japan and I guess the US would have little choice but to follow suit.

Ahk. Yojimbo said it best. There's no need to feel the guilt. But at least value human life.

[Khardis]

You're judging an entire society for what a few of them did. Now, hmm. Where else have I heard that?

Oh yeah, the nazis did exactly that. Again. Have we learned nothing...

And Tricky, I'm not saying that the bombs shouldn't have been dropped. I'm just saying it was a huge loss of human life and a severe tragedy. They could have warned the citizens, of course. They could have blockaded Japan.

But then again, blockading Japan wouldn't work because Russia was already ready to invade. Infact, Russias invasion plans were already close to being commenced. Had the war dragged on for another month, the red army would have stepped ashore in Japan and I guess the US would have little choice but to follow suit.

Ahk. Yojimbo said it best. There's no need to feel the guilt. But at least value human life.

Wow i never considered that... so the nukes ended somehting like 300,000 lives whereas a land assault and an invasion would have given us 1 million American deaths on top of 1 or more millions of Japanese deaths which would have been followed up by an invasion of the USSR which would have massacred Japanese on the scale that japanese murdered Chinese and South asians or the Nazis massacred Jews, homosexuals, retards, catholics, and other threats to the Aryan nation.

the Nukes were the best option indeed, it spared Japan Russias invasion.

[EvilNed]

Wow i never considered that... so the nukes ended somehting like 300,000 lives whereas a land assault and an invasion would have given us 1 million American deaths on top of 1 or more millions of Japanese deaths which would have been followed up by an invasion of the USSR which would have massacred Japanese on the scale that japanese murdered Chinese and South asians or the Nazis massacred Jews, homosexuals, retards, catholics, and other threats to the Aryan nation.

the Nukes were the best option indeed, it spared Japan Russias invasion.

It also spared Japan of becoming a north/south scenario ala Korea and Germany.

[Neil]

Please play nice folks...

We're talking about a pair of the most horrific events in history. For what ever reason they occurred, right or wrong, they were truly horrible events which I don't think any of us can begin to imagine...

People views will differ as to how justified they were etc - fair enough.

Please don't force this thread to be closed...

[mista_mo]

I was just joking with my prior comment Yojimbo..at least in the context of the present discussion anyway :P

I was actually in a discussion with some friends the other day about this. One is in the mind set that civilian losses are a necessary by product of war- basically, **** happens.

It's a hard thing to grasp though, 300,000 dead is a large number, and the majority of them were civilians, but the targets were military centers; bases and manufacturing areas. It wasn't an attack taken lightly by the administration either, they had to weigh so many things before they dropped it, but the prospect of invading japan was daunting. estimated casualties 1,000,000 plus (not just American though, i kinda get the sense that people are forgetting the other allied nations here) just for the allied side.

In this case, as has been said before, using the weapons was necessary, as they weren't going to surrender. But you all know that.


And too Usumgal:
Those experiments weren't known until after the war, and the general population was unaware of their happenings. Sure, the Japanese were royal cocks (and when I say Japanese, i mean the military/government that endorsed such extreme measures) but the general population is not to blame for this. Propaganda played a hell of a part in this war, and they were subject to it just as much as everyone else.

[Usumgal]

NIP, since they used to be Nipaneese and they even called themselves NIP. Look at Pat Morrita, The Hip NIP.

So NIP it is.

For you people to compare 9/11 with These two wartime bombings?!:mad:

9/11- we were at peace going about our daily lives when Rashid and his buddies decided to hijack planes and without warning slam them into us!

Nagasaki and Hiroshima - We were at war with Japan. ALL of Japan. They knew this. They caused this!

You think the people that died at pearl suffered any less?! Were their deaths any less permanent?!

You know how many young americans lost their lives because of them?

Their whole culture at the time was re-immersing itself in the samurai honor system ( thus the success of the kamikaze ). Their emperor did this on pupose, fed the old samurai tales to the youth years in advance so when they decided to attack us they would have those tales in their mind, be longing for honorable deaths. So honorable that they sucker punched us!

They planned on this for decades because we forced them into the modern world most of a century before. So they brainwashed their civilians so when those civilians became soldiers they would stop at nothing.

So we stopped at nothing. Heroes like General Patton would be disgusted to read things like this. Sympathising with an enemy over their casualties!

You've gotta be joking

[Neil]

Opinions are not black and white. It's very hard on the internet to truly explain your opinion.

Many people here I suspect, although they question the bombs to some degree, realise it was a time of utter war, and in someways at least they were justifyable.


However, when people start picking fault with someone for showing compassion for those who suffered in these truly terrible events (60+ yrs on) is hard to condone!

No compassion is due?
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