The Dark Knight review thread

[CoinReturn]

I just got back from the 12:01 screening at my local theater, and I'm still in awe. Even at two and a half hours, there wasn't a dull moment, as the production was quality all around. When you guys see it, post your impressions. I'm curious if the universal praise carries over here.

I'm going to see it again Sunday, can't wait! :hyper:

[Danny]

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should be seeing it later today.

[Neil]

A week Tuesday...

[bassman]

"still in awe" covers it for me, as well. As the credits rolled, I literally just sat there with my jaw on the floor.

There were some flaws that I have to be picky about, but I'm going to digest the flick a bit longer and try to write a full review later.

I will say these few things.....everything we've heard about Ledger is true. Dead or alive, he created one of the best on-screen villians of all time. The last third of the film is WAAYYYY better than Batman Begins'. The bat pod and Magic pencil tricks are the coolests thing ever. :lol:

[thxleo]

I went to a midnight showing last night and it truly was fantastic, four stars. I will admit that I was wrong about Heath Ledger being cast as The Joker. His performance was great, I think the Oscar talk is too much, but he was excellent. The real star of this film is Christopher Nolan. He made The Joker character how he should be, insane and really scary. This is like Terminator 2 or Aliens, compared to their original films. An instant classic.
I'm going to see it in IMAX next week.

[capncnut]

should be seeing it later today.
How? Where? It's not out over here 'till next week! :stunned:

[bassman]

This is like Terminator 2 or Aliens, compared to their original films. An instant classic.


I really like Batman Begins, but that comparison is spot on.:thumbsup:

You also have to give Aaron Eckhart some love for Harvey Two Face. I thought he was great.

For those that have seen it, what kind of reaction did your audience give when the joker slams the guys head into the pencil? Was that the perfect set up for the character, or what? In my theater, you could actually feel everyone tense up and then never relax for the rest of the film. Awesome...

[Danny]

How? Where? It's not out over here 'till next week! :stunned:

my cinema WAS advertising it for today, but it pulled it for "undisclosed reasons" so i watched walle instead.

[capncnut]

my cinema WAS advertising it for today, but it pulled it for "undisclosed reasons" so i watched walle instead.
Today I was in Bromley High Street and suddenly...

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"Yoo wan deeveedee?"

...so yeah, I'll letcha know!

Got Wall-E too. :D

[clanglee]

There are certain movies you shouldn't watch the cam versions of. That just takes away from the experience. :(

[capncnut]

There are certain movies you shouldn't watch the cam versions of. That just takes away from the experience. :(
I know, Clang, old chap. I shall still see it at the flicks and buy it on release.

Sometimes I just can't wait...

[Khardis]

Just saw it, Fantastic movie. heath Ledger is my new favorite Joker. Jackie boy was fun in his own way but when i think of the Joker Ledger is it.

[DjfunkmasterG]

My thoughts...

From the get go I was in the pro Ledger as the Joker party. I knew he would be the best to bring the best villian in the batman arsenal to life. After having my own private screening tonight, it is forever cemented in my Brain... Heath is the Joker.

However, I cannot be so kind to the rest of the film. I felt this film could easily lose another 15-20 minutes off the running time, it has a lot of flaws, and slow spots, but overall it is still better than Spidey 3, and some other Superhero films of late. The film felt like it was lacking the main narrative and the pacing was off. I knew this would be a darker version, but I think Batman Begins is still the better film.

The one major disappointment I had was Maggie Gyellenhal as Rachel Dawes. I never liked Katie Holmes in the role, but after seeing Maggie's version... I wanted Katie Back. Aaron Eckhart as Harvey Dent was another great performance, he played him just as psycho as Ledger's Joker.

Overall I fel the film deserves a solid 8 out of 10. Heath and Aaron's performances 10/10

Just out of curiosity...

Did anyone catch the reference to the 1986 Zucker film, Ruthless People? I did and I was laughing my ass off. Kudo's for the nod to a great movie.

[ProfessorChaos]

Saw this last night, and it was pretty good. The disappearing pencil trick was awesome, and Ledger was great as the Joker.

I'll post a more indepth review after a second viewing....couldn't really get that into it last night, my girlfriend of two years and I split up last night, due to mutual reasons....won't bother all of you with the details, but it sure is making things difficult for me lately....including watching the movie I've been waiting to see for months. I ended up watching it by myself....and a theater full of text-messaging teenage morons.

Gonna go back sometime during next week, during mid-day, to have another viddy.

[bassman]

So i've seen it three times now. It get's better every time.

Imo, it's definitely the best comic-to-film adaptation so far and the best Batman film. It's a fun movie, but it's sitting at number 1 at imdb right now. One? That's a bit....off.



"He's the hero that Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now.
So we'll hunt him, because he can take it. Because he's not a hero.
He's a silent guardian...A watchful protector... The Dark Knight."

:cool:

[Minerva_Zombi]

Yeah I've seen it twice now and it is truly just amazing. To me, it puts every other superhero movie to shame. Best Superhero movie ever. Heath was Amazing of course. Bale is without a doubt the best batman/Bruce Wayne. The whole cast was great. Just a brilliant movie all around I think. As close to perfect as a Superhero movie is gonna get for me quite frankly. 10 out of 10

[zombie04]

Since I saw it 3 times this weekend I am just now letting it all sit in my mind and all I can think is I cannot wait to see this again later in the week! This is far and away better than Batman Begins and that was a movie I thought was great! I'd say the Terminator/Aliens comparision is spot on and the pencil trick was a great way to set the tone for the Joker.

I thought the cast was great with the exception of Maggie Gyellenhal. I don't like Katie Holmes, but I thought she was better as the character, plus I hate it when somebody is recast. Bale was great as Bruce Wayne, but I found there was something off with his Batman voice, like he as trying to hard to make it too distinct. Ledger as the Joker was great. I normally don't like his work, but when they announced him in the role for some reason I just thought it sounded right, which happened with Daniel Craig in the 007 role. I thought somebody else would be good for the role but then they choose somebody I totally forgot about and it just works. Eckhart as Dent was perfect and I think it was another reason I wanted Holmes back as Rachel (after Thank You For Smoking). For me though Gary Oldman stole the movie as Gordon since Nolan gives the character respect unlike every other interpretation. I'm glad they allowed him to step up more than his bit in BB and since I like Gary Oldman it was win/win.

DJ, I haven't seen Ruthless People in more than a decade so the reference flew over my head. Which part was it at?

[DjfunkmasterG]

DJ, I haven't seen Ruthless People in more than a decade so the reference flew over my head. Which part was it at?

When the Joker entered the Party Wayne threw for Dent, he started slapping people around, when he gets to the old man and he gives the joker a hard tiume the joker turns to him and says...

"You remind me of my father... I hated my father" This was something the bedroom killer in Ruthless People used to say to his victims, but what made me laugh is Heath used the exact same expression, body language and tone when he delivered the line.

[thxleo]

I went to see the film in IMAX yesterday and it was truly amazing. The city shots of Hong Kong and Gotham are just awesome.
As for the film, I agree with Bassman311 that it gets better with each viewing. It is the best film I've seen since "The Departed". It is way beyond just a normal action super hero movie. It's deep and I know this sounds like a cliche, but it works on several different levels. It is a masterpiece. Damn, I want to go see it again! Last night my girlfriend said she could not stop thinking about the movie because she enjoyed it so much.
I also agree with Zombie04 about Gary Oldman. Gordon is my favorite character in the film actually. Oldman is so good that I totally forget it's him playing Gordon. He IS Gordon. Just a wonderful performance, among many wonderful performances in the film.
I can't decide if I want another one from Nolan. This film is so perfect, how could he top it?

[zombie04]

I'm going to try seeing for the fourth time later in the week, but I really want to see it in IMAX so hopefully I'll have time to travel to the closest theater. But right now I'm not worrying about another entry in the series. I'll enjoy this one for what it is and if the Nolan Brothers and David Goyer find it necessary to write another one I'm sure it'll be good and not rushed. All I know is there is definitely going to be a rather long cooling off period after this one so the expectations don't drive them crazy!

[Minerva_Zombi]

Im thinking this will be Nolan's "T2". He'll stop, but some schmuck 10 years down the road will do a part 3. But this is truly a great film. On the level of T2, Godfather 2, Dawn, etc etc.

[Danny]

so i just got back, great movie.

like everyone else i know i agree it was 20 minutes too long but a great movie. heath ledger was great, as expected, but he had been so overhyped i was tired of him by about the last 30 mins, the guy who played harvey dent/ two face on the other hand was brilliant.
still dont like this iteration of batman, he still sounds like a 12 year old trying to put on a "tough big boy voice" but i liked it, i enjoyed hellboy more, but im more of a hellboy fan than a batman fan, still a great movie though, and i loved how every one of the jokers little acts in a crime lead into something exponentially more impressive and crazy, well worth watching in the cinema.

[AcesandEights]

Got back a little while ago. I liked the film, some incredible performances and Ledger was mind bogglingly awesome. The film, however, suffered a little bit in the pacing department, I feel; I've seen longer movies that seemed half as long.



still dont like this iteration of batman, he still sounds like a 12 year old trying to put on a "tough big boy voice"...

I know what you mean with the 'smoker's' voice. A bit over the ol' top.

[Minerva_Zombi]

Got back a little while ago. I liked the film, some incredible performances and Ledger was mind bogglingly awesome. The film, however, suffered a little bit in the pacing department, I feel; I've seen longer movies that seemed half as long.



I know what you mean with the 'smoker's' voice. A bit over the ol' top.

What do you feel they could have taken out? It doesn't feel a minute over 2 hours to me. Every scene is needed to advance the story. I think there are just a lot of impatient people who are just ready for the wham bam thank you ma'am **** without the story these days.

[clanglee]

What do you feel they could have taken out? It doesn't feel a minute over 2 hours to me. Every scene is needed to advance the story. I think there are just a lot of impatient people who are just ready for the wham bam thank you ma'am **** without the story these days.

Actually. . I have to agree with Aces here. . .the pacing was a bit off. Every climax had me expecting the end. . .and at the end of the movie I was actually checking my watch. But all in all. . . a most amazing movie

[MinionZombie]

Just saw it today - F*CKING AWESOME!

Best movie of 2008, best super hero movie ever, so says I.

My in-depth thoughts will come later.

F*ck me swinging it was proper good though, superb stuff!


For those that have seen it, what kind of reaction did your audience give when...

I think it was a shock reaction, I just gasped and thought it was a superb proper entrance for the Joker, if you will.

There was a kid in the cinema when I went today, and when the truck driven by the Joker gets flipped over, the kid just went "WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!!" really loudly, hehe. (It was awesome to be fair.)

[Neil]

Saw it last night...

Without a doubt a solid, great piece of entertainment. Absolutely loads of stuff crammed in there (possibly a bit too much?).

Heath was absolutely great as the Joker - Oscar? Of course not... Aaron Eckhart put out a far better performance for my money...

I would have prefered to have seen Katie Holmes back as Rachel Dawes . She was far more appealling and interesting in the role.

My biggest problem with the film was you just lost the human touch. You didn't particularly care about anyone. Where in the first one you had plenty of moments building on characters feelings & emotions, in this one there was very little of it, and what there was fell somewhat flat. In 'Begins' the shooting of his parents, and the flash backs to his father, gave far more emotional weight to the film, far far more than anything 'Knight' offered.

Did we ever really feel any emotional bind between Bruce and Rachel? Not really... Certainly not as much as we saw in the first on... In 'Begins' time was invested in showing their relationship and the impossible problems it faced...

Even if we look at Michael Caine, Alfred's role in the first film was far more involved, emotional and moving.... In the 'Knight' far far less so...


So all in all, 'Dark Knight' sort of played as an incredibly well crafted action film, but with little concern or investment for the characters involved. Which is a bit of a shame because I ended up not really caring that people were getting killed off or in danger, not really... Because the script didn't give any reason to (unlike Batman Begins).


I guess in summary 'Batman Begins' can be considered to be Bruce Wayne's film, whereas 'Dark Knight' could be considered Batman's film. The first is more human, the second is more brutal and action based...


Things that got on my nerves a bit:-
1) Bruce somehow turning every phone into a 'sonar' - Come on now! Bit unbelievable! Just bugging them all for audio would have been enough!
2) When he went into the final building, PLEASE tell me the sonar system he was using through his vision wasn't from the mobile phones people were carrying... And instead was something just built into his suit?
3) The Joker's plans always just seemed to work just a little too well, no matter how much risk was involved in them, and how many variables...
4) Someone get Bale a throat lossenger - God his voice went strangely raspy/butch whenever he put that mask on...


Now, I'll have to watch the film again, which I will certainly do (on DVD) but at the moment my feelings are:-
Batman Begins - 9
Dark Knight - 8.5 (to 9, dependant upon second viewing)


Does 'Dark Knight' deserve to be #1 at IMDB, of course not...

Is 'Dark Knight' the greatest super hero film ever? For me, I think Spider Man 2 still owns that title... I guess I need that emotional thread through my films...

[clanglee]

I guess in summary 'Batman Begins' can be considered to be Bruce Wayne's film, whereas 'Dark Knight' could be considered Batman's film. The first is more human, the second is more brutal and action based...

[/I]

Actually. . I though The Dark Knight was more Joker's film than anything else. :D

[Neil]

Actually. . I though The Dark Knight was more Joker's film than anything else. :D
Yes... Batman and the Joker as yin & yan...

Question:-
In the Joker's last video, it looked like Coleman Reese (the guy who'd worked out who batman was)... If so, how did the Joker get him after Bruce Wayne had saved him in the Lambo?

I assume it wasn't actually him?

[MinionZombie]

I don't understand this "no emotional connection" bollocks one bit.

Alfred - still the loveable, dependable, quick-witted man-servant-cum-replacement-father for Bruce Wayne, how can you not like Alfred.

Gordon - stand up guy, a nice attitude about him, he gets sh*t done and he doesn't take bribes.
When you're led to believe he was killed during the attempt on the Mayor's life, I was genuinely shocked and I think not showing his wife up until the dude comes to tell her Gordon's dead drove home the fact that Gordon was never home, always on some rooftop or alleyway somewhere doing his job - then when Gordon turns out to be alive, and returns home, I thought that was a great scene too - efficient but good.

Rachel - come on, she didn't have much to do in Batman Begins! So I think this perceived gap between BB Rachel and TDK Rachel is garbage, there was much more Rachel in TDK, and I thought Maggie was just as good as Holmes in the role - even though the role isn't particularly meaty.

Also - her and Bruce's relationship is already set up in the first movie, why trudge over old ground all over again in the second movie, when there's far more pressing matters to be getting on with?

Her relationship with Dent is the important arc for her character, and it shows her moving away from Bruce - the fact that she can never be with him whilst he is also Batman, but she still cares for BW. It's a heart stretched in two directions, which is deep in its own right.

Then when Dent and Rachel are both tied up in a building full of petrol, and Batman DOESN'T go for Rachel, and Rachel gets BLOWN UP - again, I was shocked. It was like 24-style gloves coming off, you know. Also, it's a good duality with Batman Begins, because in that one he was propelled by the loss of his parents, and here in TDK the loss of Rachel has another great impact upon him - and indeed, the whole thing with the letter (that Alfred ends up burning to protect Bruce, who thought otherwise) was another interesting spin on the love triangle in the movie.

Harvey Dent - you admire him, and for Eckhart to give such a good performance, how can you not feel for the character? How can you not feel connected?

The most interesting stuff with Dent, for me anyway, was his conversion from good to evil. He goes from using his coin as an excuse to justify his own decisions which he's made up in his mind already, and to perhaps deflect some of the seriousness of his decisions, with the flippancy of a coin. But the coin itself is a cheat - a two-headed coin - but the outcome will ALWAYS be what he believes to be right, which often/always IS what is right.

Then he becomes Two Face (with astonishing effect), and the coin is damaged. So there is a clear divide, which both denotes a true 'heads of tails' aspect to his coin toss, but it also shows how he totally places his entire judgement upon the toss of a coin. He actively doesn't kill people if the coin says no, but will if it does - so he can still make right choices, but for the wrong reason, and obviously makes wrong choices too.

That particular aspect had me and Ben talking half-way back home after leaving the cinema (we then went off on a tangent about surveillance culture after the whole sonar thing in the film).

The Joker - such a powerful performance, it hooks you in, so you care about the character. You want to see more, you get sucked in, and at times think he's so cool - in a bad way - but then other times you think he's so messed up.

His explanations regarding his scars were disturbing stories in themselves, but contradicted each other, which was an interesting spin on his origin - you still don't know what the truth is, but you get an idea of something that might have happened in his youth, and it's disturbing all the same.

When he's on screen, he keeps your attention LOCKED.

Bruce Wayne - he's the hero of the movie, he has a strict moral code, and in TDK he is completely consumed by Batman (as shown in the scene where you see his variety of fresh injuries which he just shrugs off), but also the whole 'the hero that gotham needs/deserves' thing throughout the movie, and Gordon's speech at the end, that had me gripped alright.

He makes tough choices, he struggles, and he keeps on going when his route for escape from Batman is blocked by events in the movie.

And he essentially goes on the run, in a way, pursued by those who he is helping, all so the image of Harvey Dent - the hero with a face that Gotham NEEDS in order to survive - is a powerful motif in itself, it's sacrificial, it's almost Christ-like.

I simply don't buy that you can't get connected and drawn into these characters ... and if you don't, well your too bad then.

...

Anyway, max out the score board for me on The Dark Knight, which I'll fully review later once it's all sunk in.

[Neil]

I don't understand this "no emotional connection" bollocks one bit.You really need to stop interpretting my comments so black and white... And picking and choosing what you take from them accordingly.

I didn't suggest none, I suggested less...

DK is a great flick, and I was simply airing my only major issue with it, having less of the emotional thread than the first seemed to have IMHO.

For me, in BB, the flash backs to his parents, the tenderness shown by Alfred, the hardship endured by Bruce, the innability to show Rachel who he really was (and actually make her despise him), offered more of an emotionaly hook (for me at least), that what was in DK. It's my opinion, sorry if you disagree... Sheesh!

It's interesting that this is what I think Jonathan Ross might have been talking about as well?


Anyway, to go through your points...

Rachel - The love triangle seemed to be a bit lost... No one really seemed to care or be in love with anyone.... ie: It came across a tad flat.

Harvey Dent - One of the most enjoyable characters in the film! Probably the best performance in the film for me!

The Joker - Yup! Great character - Utterly confusing anarchic mentalist! Only thing that frustrated me regarding him was his plans, no matter how contrived and difficult, always seemed to work so well...


There's no denying the story had many levels and lot of great aspects! Maybe it tried achieving too much, at the expense of spending a little more time showing characters' underbellies...

Anyway, my comments are not to be taken as a major criticism of the film, because they are a minor point considering the overall strengths of it! AND, it may well be, on a second viewing (at home on DVD) I have a different take on this matter/issue...


I simply don't buy that you can't get connected and drawn into these characters ...Please stop putting words in my mouth... It's getting tiring...

[bassman]

Then when Dent and Rachel are both tied up in a building full of petrol, and Batman DOESN'T go for Rachel, and Rachel gets BLOWN UP - again, I was shocked. It was like 24-style gloves coming off, you know.


Maybe you just didn't mention it, but....

You do know that Joker switched the addresses on Batman, right? Batman thought he was going after Rachel and Gordon was going after Dent.

While on the topic, did you notice that the warehouses were differently lit? Rachels was really dark, while Dent's was really bright. That caught my eye for some reason......

[Neil]

Maybe you just didn't mention it, but....

You do know that Joker switched the addresses on Batman, right? Batman thought he was going after Rachel and Gordon was going after Dent.

While on the topic, did you notice that the warehouses were differently lit? Rachels was really dark, while Dent's was really bright. That caught my eye for some reason......

Yeh! Nice touch wasn't it :)

Anyone able to answer my question?

In the Joker's last video, it looked like Coleman Reese (the guy who'd worked out who batman was)... If so, how did the Joker get him after Bruce Wayne had saved him in the Lambo?

I assume it wasn't actually him?

[DjfunkmasterG]

Not him... Looked like him, but not him. This video was floating on You Tube most of the weekend, along with almost the entire film, and I thought the same thing, but its not him.

[bassman]

Anyone able to answer my question?

In the Joker's last video, it looked like Coleman Reese (the guy who'd worked out who batman was)... If so, how did the Joker get him after Bruce Wayne had saved him in the Lambo?

I assume it wasn't actually him?

Are you talking about the video of the guy reading from the card? If so, that was Mike Engel. The news reporter.

That lamborgini scene was hilarious. "I was trying to catch the light." "You weren't trying to protect the Suv?" "Why, who's in it??" and they both look at each other.

[MinionZombie]

It came across a tad flat.

Even when they're telling each other they love one another as they're sitting there about to die, only talking down the phone, and then Dent's sheer pain - not accompanied by any audio - after he realises he survived (horribly scarred) and his fiance died?

Otherwise, calm down dear ... :lol:

I was summarising not only your thoughts on that aspect, but those of other posters who were a bit "meh" about the character connection thing, and cos I loved TDK so much, yes I was a bit short and a tad "you f*ckin' wot?!" :p

But you could argue that you do the same to other people, so calm down dear. :D:p

Don't you know? I'm super passionate about the films that I love! Especially when I think the characterisation and the connection to the characters in the Dark Knight was stronger than you thought, so ... yeah ... :)

Bassman - I didn't quite catch on to that bit, but now you say it - it makes sense. I was just so swept away by it all that I missed that little element. But I did notice the stark contrast in lighting between the two warehouses, noiiice.

[bassman]

Bassman - I didn't quite catch on to that bit, but now you say it - it makes sense. I was just so swept away by it all that I missed that little element. But I did notice the stark contrast in lighting between the two warehouses, noiiice.

Yeah....as batman's leaving the interogation room and hopping on the batpod, Gordon yells "Who are you going for?" and Batman says "Rachel!". But when he arrives...it's actually Dent's location. Joker switched it because he could tell that batman had a soft spot for Rachel and Joker never wanted Dent to die. He wanted him to become another freak criminal like himself.

You know. "Heads you live, tails you die". "NOW we're talking!":)
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[MinionZombie]

Ah mate, it was hilarious when he was in that Nurse's outfit, when he's first revealed to be in it I mean.

Also - like Kevin Smith had said on the Slash Film podcast when they talked (with many spoilers) about TDK - the bit where The Joker replies, in a fantastic bit of delivery, "yeah..." when the crims are asking him about what his plan is exactly - basically to take a load of their cash.

It was around the time of the infamous "magic trick" - which was a great scene, and a real shock as well. There were quite a few shocks in the movie actually, I was never left expecting something to happen, I was either shocked, or things got turned around on me.

Ah mate, and the whole sequence involving the boats and the big decision - DUDE - that had me and Ben talking on the way back home alright, which is sure sign of a superb film right there. :)

[bassman]

Ah mate, and the whole sequence involving the boats and the big decision - DUDE - that had me and Ben talking on the way back home alright, which is sure sign of a superb film right there. :)


Leave it up to Deebo to save the boats.:lol:

The whole hospital scene was just legendary. "Hiiii..." to Harvey with the funny face, the hand cleaner, the bomb not working right. All incredible. I almost pissed myself while watching the way Joker walks out of the hospital. Is that not one of the funniest wakls you've ever seen? That was all real too. Ledger had one take and he did it right there in front of the explosion....

[Danny]

Leave it up to Deebo to save the boats.:lol:

The whole hospital scene was just legendary. "Hiiii..." to Harvey with the funny face, the hand cleaner, the bomb not working right. All incredible. I almost pissed myself while watching the way Joker walks out of the hospital. Is that not one of the funniest wakls you've ever seen? That was all real too. Ledger had one take and he did it right there in front of the explosion....

best scene in the movie that hospital one, top stuff.

[MinionZombie]

best scene in the movie that hospital one, top stuff.
F*ckin' a-right it was.

I didn't think about it before, but damn - one take, and he did all that whilst a building is blowing up?

I cackled with evil glee when the bomb stopped working mid-way through, and he's fussing over the detonator ... one of the best Joker scenes in the movie.

Ah mate, I've gotta see it again! At the very least it's a guaranteed DVD purchase *fingers crossed for a boshty-as-fook R1 release*

[Neil]

Even when they're telling each other they love one another as they're sitting there about to die, only talking down the phone, and then Dent's sheer pain - not accompanied by any audio - after he realises he survived (horribly scarred) and his fiance died?

Otherwise, calm down dear ... :lol:

I was summarising not only your thoughts on that aspect, but those of other posters who were a bit "meh" about the character connection thing, and cos I loved TDK so much, yes I was a bit short and a tad "you f*ckin' wot?!" :p

But you could argue that you do the same to other people, so calm down dear. :D:p

Don't you know? I'm super passionate about the films that I love! Especially when I think the characterisation and the connection to the characters in the Dark Knight was stronger than you thought, so ... yeah ... :)

Bassman - I didn't quite catch on to that bit, but now you say it - it makes sense. I was just so swept away by it all that I missed that little element. But I did notice the stark contrast in lighting between the two warehouses, noiiice.
LIke I said, it all bounced off me a bit... Maybe a second viewing will help :)


Leave it up to Deebo to save the boats.:lol:

The whole hospital scene was just legendary. "Hiiii..." to Harvey with the funny face, the hand cleaner, the bomb not working right. All incredible. I almost pissed myself while watching the way Joker walks out of the hospital. Is that not one of the funniest wakls you've ever seen? That was all real too. Ledger had one take and he did it right there in front of the explosion....

Yes! Was a great set of scenes!



That was all real too. Ledger had one take and he did it right there in front of the explosion....If I recall he did it in front of the smaller pirotechnics? Certainly not the main ones that nuked the entire building (that was a cut away)? But that whole crosswalk came down didn't it in his take/scene?

[MinionZombie]

If I recall he did it in front of the smaller pirotechnics? Certainly not the main ones that nuked the entire building (that was a cut away)? But that whole crosswalk came down didn't it in his take/scene?

The whole thing, EXCEPT for the money shot seen in the trailers from far away of the whole thing collapsing.

If I remember correctly, he comes out of the building as smaller explosions go off, then there's the fuss with the detonator (superb!), then the cross walk goes down, then the bigger explosions go off as he walks towards us then camera right - THEN we cut to the big money shot.

God this movie is so f*ckin' boshty-as-fook! :cool:

[AcesandEights]

LIke I said, it all bounced off me a bit... Maybe a second viewing will help :)

Yeah, I'm thinking a second viewing may help me enjoy it a bit more, as well. Don't get me wrong, I liked the film a lot, it had great pieces to it. I guess I'm just not grooving on it as hardcore as so many other people seem to be.

[Neil]

Yeah, I'm thinking a second viewing may help me enjoy it a bit more, as well. Don't get me wrong, I liked the film a lot, it had great pieces to it. I guess I'm just not grooving on it as hardcore as so many other people seem to be.

No way is it justified as #1 at IMDB!!!

[mista_mo]

No way is it justified as #1 at IMDB!!!

he's the goddamn batman

[bassman]

If I recall he did it in front of the smaller pirotechnics? Certainly not the main ones that nuked the entire building (that was a cut away)? But that whole crosswalk came down didn't it in his take/scene?


Nope....he did the entire thing. By the time the "money shot" went off, the bus he was in was just within a "safe distance". The building that stood in for the hospital was actually an old candy factory in Chicago. All the chicago news crews were there filming the explosion and you can see ledger(from a distance of course) walk out, stand there for a minute, hop in the bus and as it's driving off.... boom.

The reason it cuts to the "money shot" is because the film crew obviously had many cameras in many different angles for the single explosion. But I've seen home videos and news videos.....it was all done in one go. I'll see if I can find one of them.

EDIT: Here's one. You'll see a small figure walking away from the building on the left side of the screen as the smaller explosions are going off. Then as the big explosion happens....that bus driving in front of it? That's the one the Joker got into.

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There are better and clearer videos out there...but this is the only one I can seem to find right now.

[Neil]

So it was all done in one take??? Holy **** on a stick!

But why!!!!

[bassman]

So it was all done in one take??? Holy **** on a stick!

But why!!!!

From what I read, apparently Ledger wanted to do it himself. Same with Bale, actually. Bale was the one standing on top of the Sears tower and that tower in Hong Kong. No CGI. I guess Nolan likes to let his actors play around a bit.

I bet their insurance companies were freaking out. :eek:

[AcesandEights]

From what I read, apparently Ledger wanted to do it himself. Same with Bale, actually. Bale was the one standing on top of the Sears tower and that tower in Hong Kong. No CGI. I guess Nolan likes to let his actors play around a bit.

Well, that's pretty frikkin' cool!

[MinionZombie]

Well, that's pretty frikkin' cool!
You're damn straight! Another reason why The Dark Knight is super f*ckin' awesome! :)

I hope there's a featurette on the DVD all about that explosion, surely there will be, cos I'd really love to see how they did it all, because that whole bit was superb, especially The Joker fussing over the detonator, that just cracked me up.

I guess we're so used to CGI fakery, that when something is done for real properly - like this sequence - it's more of a "woah" factor, although even though - it's STILL a "woah" sequence regardless. I mean really woah.

[Neil]

especially The Joker fussing over the detonator, that just cracked me up.

Would be great to find out the explosions were actually no working properly (timing wise), and Heath was basically just making the best of a bad situation by improvising!

[MinionZombie]

Would be great to find out the explosions were actually no working properly (timing wise), and Heath was basically just making the best of a bad situation by improvising!

Ah man, that would have been crazy mad if that had been the case. But even so, he was so locked into that moment, nailing it in one take (although they'll have done rehearsals of course), but still, it's a one take deal and you're surrounded by explosives and so on - even emerging from a building which is ready to blow any minute ... kinda scary when you think about it like that.

The amount of pressure on him at that moment to nail that take must have been huge, but he knocked it out of the park, pulling off one of the best Joker moments in the movie.

Man alive I have to see this flick again.

[bassman]

I've seen the film several times now, but this is one thing that really bothers me about it...

When Joker pushes Rachel out the window of Wayne's penthouse, batman jumps to save her. They fall many stories and slam into the hood of a car. Maybe i'm missing it, but does batman deploy his cape into a parachute or shoot is grapling gun or something? There's no way they could survive that fall.

And then Batman does it again at the end. After he saves Gordon's kid, he falls to the ground next to Harvey. The same fall that killed Harvey, didn't kill Batman. I know his suit is supposed to be strong, but I don't think it's THAT strong.

Minor gripes, really. I still love the movie.

The Hospital scene is a great part of the movie, but I'm now thinking my favorite scene has to go to the interrogation room scenes? That was incredible. Everytime I see it, I pick up on something that I didn't notice the times before.

"I don't wanna kill you! Where would I be without you?!? You see...you complete me."

How is it that line didn't come across cheesy?:rockbrow:

[Neil]

Ah man, that would have been crazy mad if that had been the case. But even so, he was so locked into that moment, nailing it in one take (although they'll have done rehearsals of course), but still, it's a one take deal and you're surrounded by explosives and so on - even emerging from a building which is ready to blow any minute ... kinda scary when you think about it like that.

The amount of pressure on him at that moment to nail that take must have been huge, but he knocked it out of the park, pulling off one of the best Joker moments in the movie.

Man alive I have to see this flick again.

I look forward to seeing that scene again now...

I suspect given his level of dedication, he even had a wax when he went nursey!

[MinionZombie]

Ah man, the Joker in nurse uniform was fantastic, and when he says "hi" to Dent - f*ckin' hilarious. :D

Anyway - MY ACTUAL REVIEW IS BELOW:

http://deadshed.blogspot.com/2008/07/dark-knight.html

Well, more my thoughts, rather than a review...it is a blog after all, not Total Film or something official and awesome.

[Neil]

I've seen the film several times now, but this is one thing that really bothers me about it...

When Joker pushes Rachel out the window of Wayne's penthouse, batman jumps to save her. They fall many stories and slam into the hood of a car. Maybe i'm missing it, but does batman deploy his cape into a parachute or shoot is grapling gun or something? There's no way they could survive that fall.

And then Batman does it again at the end. After he saves Gordon's kid, he falls to the ground next to Harvey. The same fall that killed Harvey, didn't kill Batman. I know his suit is supposed to be strong, but I don't think it's THAT strong.

Minor gripes, really. I still love the movie.

The Hospital scene is a great part of the movie, but I'm now thinking my favorite scene has to go to the interrogation room scenes? That was incredible. Everytime I see it, I pick up on something that I didn't notice the times before.

"I don't wanna kill you! Where would I be without you?!? You see...you complete me."

How is it that line didn't come across cheesy?:rockbrow:

Yes, his cape partly deploys, slowing them down...

My mani issues were (as listed before);-
1) Bruce somehow turning every phone into a 'sonar' - Come on now! Bit unbelievable! Just bugging them all for audio would have been enough!
2) When he went into the final building, PLEASE tell me the sonar system he was using through his vision wasn't from the mobile phones people were carrying... And instead was something just built into his suit?
3) The Joker's plans always just seemed to work just a little too well, no matter how much risk was involved in them, and how many variables...
4) Someone get Bale a throat lossenger - God his voice went strangely raspy/butch whenever he put that mask on...


Ah man, the Joker in nurse uniform was fantastic, and when he says "hi" to Dent - f*ckin' hilarious. :D

I laughed out loud in the cinema to that, and then realised no one else really was... :o

[MinionZombie]

Damn you Neil, stop focussing on the negatives (your negatives anyway :p) and just enjoy the over all f*ckin' hard-rockin' awesomeness of it all! :)


Anyway - MY ACTUAL REVIEW IS BELOW:

http://deadshed.blogspot.com/2008/07/dark-knight.html

Well, more my thoughts, rather than a review...it is a blog after all, not Total Film or something official and awesome.

[Neil]

Damn you Neil, stop focussing on the negatives (your negatives anyway :p) and just enjoy the over all f*ckin' hard-rockin' awesomeness of it all! :)

To put things into context, which I have to do with you over and over (and over and over and over.... and over), if those are the only major issues I have with the flick, then what does that tell you!? Maybe that's why I rated it so highly...

Now, give me a break because it's starting to feel like I can't make any sort questioning comment about this film without you trying to hump it :(

ps: Do you not think any of those comments had a leg to stand on?

[MinionZombie]

And I'll say again, calm down dear (or I'll tell you I think 300 "sucks"). :D

My point really is, you seem to focus a lot more on the negatives which seem to niggle you a fair bit, more than focus on the positives ... I personally find that odd when you then say how much you liked the movie and scoring it so high ... to me, that's a bit confusing.

To me, it never seems that your gripes are all that in context, because to me, it seems like you fixate on your issues with the film so much ... like your whole beef with Wanted, and you'd never even seen it! :p That's what I'm getting at, not saying you can't have an opinion, it's just to ME anyway, I'd think you're fixating on your downsides of a movie too closely/repeatedly ... because you do repeat your lists of negatives quite frequently, you have to admit. :D Not trying to piss you off ... ... or hump anything ... ya doirty basturd. :sneaky::lol::p

And, you could say you take my japes too seriously/out of context ... so right backatcha. :moon:

Otherwise, the points you listed ... nope, none of those bothered me.

I mean, I noticed how Batman's voice was proper growly, but then again he couldn't just talk normal - cos someone would just go "hey, you sound like Bruce Wayne" - who is so famous 'you'd have to go a thousand miles to find someone who didn't know his name' ... also, it fits his dark, scary image, and I reckon it works well when he's proper pissed off asking "WHERE????!!!!" someone is. I dig it.

At first, in Batman Begins, I was a bit "eh?" with his voice, but it ultimately didn't bother me anywhere near enough to continue pursuing my "eh?" vibe about it, so now I just dig it.

I don't know what the statistics are on people buying new phones, but I assume a lot get bought all the time, and no doubt he was putting them in the new phones - it's Wayne Enterprises, if they can make a Tumbler, or a batsuit, then they can bug new phones before they leave the factory - in fact, it was a good element because it really raised the question about database culture, and essentially CCTV abuse - I thought Lucius' stance against it (even though he had to use it once) was really interesting too.

Interestingly, with the sonar thing in his Bat-cowl, my initial observation was "damn, that wouldn't half gimme a headache"...all that flashing and pulsing and such.

As for The Joker's plans, nope, again it didn't bother me one bit. If Batman can disappear and appear silently when someone's on a rooftop, or putting out the trash, or he can drive across rooftops in a multi-tonne, super-wide Tumbler, as well as control the Bat-cycle, then the Joker can pull off his hair-brained schemes - he's a villain for crying out loud, if he failed at stuff he'd be rubbish! He's the frickin' Joker! He's a formiddable opponent.

Those comments, to me don't have a strong enough leg to stand on, especially as they're self-appointed "minor" gripes (which confuses me as to why you appear to fixate on them ... or at least, fixate on them more than I would with "minor" gripes).

Then again, I'm the sort of person who'd rather focus on the awesome/good rather than the bad/hmmm ... unless something is (to me) completely sh*t, then anytime I do happen to talk about it, it'll be a long-winded list of bitching. :D

...

That's all I'm saying ... calm down. :rolleyes:

Anyway - read my review, all your chat keeps bumping it out of view, ya schemer. :p

[bassman]

Yes, his cape partly deploys, slowing them down...

My mani issues were (as listed before);-
1) Bruce somehow turning every phone into a 'sonar' - Come on now! Bit unbelievable! Just bugging them all for audio would have been enough!
2) When he went into the final building, PLEASE tell me the sonar system he was using through his vision wasn't from the mobile phones people were carrying... And instead was something just built into his suit?
3) The Joker's plans always just seemed to work just a little too well, no matter how much risk was involved in them, and how many variables...
4) Someone get Bale a throat lossenger - God his voice went strangely raspy/butch whenever he put that mask on...




1) True, it can be unbelievable to an extent, but this is what Chris Nolan calls "hyper-reality". It's as grounded as possible to reality, but it still has several outlandish things. Remember the water vaporizer in Batman Begins? Yeah...

And I guess they were probably relying on the audience to, at this point, know that Wayne is one of the richest people on the planet and his company's technology is a bit beyond what we see in everday life.

2) Earlier in the film Fox questions Wayne about the company's spendings, in which Bruce says that he put it under Military cellular technology(or something like that). Fox expresses a bit of discontent with this idea and Bruce says "I'm playing this one close to the chest". I assumed this means it's something Bruce was working on for awhile. After Fox first showed him the device in Hong Kong, that is.

Again, I think this one should fall into the "hyper-reality" section. It's a realistic film, but it's still a comic book film.

3)My thoughts on this: We're told of Joker's existence in Gotham at the end of Batman Begins. If I'm not mistaken, it's mentioned in TDK that it's been roughly six months since the events in BB. I took this to mean that he was slowly planning and setting all of this up and he started excecuting this plan when he meets with the mob bosses near the beginning of the film. The bank heist was a hint to what he's been doing between films...

4) I can agree with this in some cases. I think he should relax a bit on the voice when talking to Gordon and Dent. When he's talking to criminals, he's trying to scare them. So it works in those areas. Remember the scene in BB? -

Flass: "I swear to god!"
Batman: "SWEAR TO ME!!!!"

That was a great use of the voice.


MZ - Great review. You seem like a guy that would be perfect to go to see a flick with. We could've talked for hours about this flick.:lol:

[Neil]

1) True, it can be unbelievable to an extent, but this is what Chris Nolan calls "hyper-reality". It's as grounded as possible to reality, but it still has several outlandish things. Remember the water vaporizer in Batman Begins? Yeah...

And I guess they were probably relying on the audience to, at this point, know that Wayne is one of the richest people on the planet and his company's technology is a bit beyond what we see in everday life.

2) Earlier in the film Fox questions Wayne about the company's spendings, in which Bruce says that he put it under Military cellular technology(or something like that). Fox expresses a bit of discontent with this idea and Bruce says "I'm playing this one close to the chest". I assumed this means it's something Bruce was working on for awhile. After Fox first showed him the device in Hong Kong, that is.

Again, I think this one should fall into the "hyper-reality" section. It's a realistic film, but it's still a comic book film.

3)My thoughts on this: We're told of Joker's existence in Gotham at the end of Batman Begins. If I'm not mistaken, it's mentioned in TDK that it's been roughly six months since the events in BB. I took this to mean that he was slowly planning and setting all of this up and he started excecuting this plan when he meets with the mob bosses near the beginning of the film. The bank heist was a hint to what he's been doing between films...

4) I can agree with this in some cases. I think he should relax a bit on the voice when talking to Gordon and Dent. When he's talking to criminals, he's trying to scare them. So it works in those areas. Remember the scene in BB? -

Flass: "I swear to god!"
Batman: "SWEAR TO ME!!!!"

That was a great use of the voice.


MZ - Great review. You seem like a guy that would be perfect to go to see a flick with. We could've talked for hours about this flick.:lol:

(1) Yeh, but if he'd just used the cell phones as bugging/listening devices to then triangulate the Joker that would have been better I think... No need for all the silly sonar nonsense which was just pushing the believability envelope a bit too far :)...
(2) So was your take with his sonar vision (in the final building), that it was an autonomous sonar device built into the suit, or were mobile phones somehow still at play? Because Fox somehow seemed to still be involved with this system didn't he back at Wayne HQ? And that was all the mobile phone stuff going on? I was a bit confused TBH...

[clanglee]

4) Someone get Bale a throat lossenger - God his voice went strangely raspy/butch whenever he put that mask on...



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Correct me If I'm wrong, but Batman's suit comes equipped with a voice scrambler. It's part of his disguise and it adds an element to the whole "striking fear" aspect.

[Neil]

Correct me If I'm wrong, but Batman's suit comes equipped with a voice scrambler. It's part of his disguise and it adds an element to the whole "striking fear" aspect.
That could well explain the 'lossenger effect' :). This hasn't been mentioned in either film though, has it?

[bassman]

That could well explain the 'lossenger effect' :). This hasn't been mentioned in either film though, has it?

No. It's never been covered.

About the bat suit sonar: It was connected to that huge device Fox was using. So basically it was a monitor for him to see the phone signals that the machine was picking up.

[Neil]

No. It's never been covered.

About the bat suit sonar: It was connected to that huge device Fox was using. So basically it was a monitor for him to see the phone signals that the machine was picking up.

(a) Cell phones just cannot do sonar... OK Fox's special one could, it had been designed to, but not regular ones... As regards trying to find the Joker, only audio was required, no sonar, so they could have stuck with just that premise, (b) There were Cell phones in every part of the building, everywhere, absolutely everywhere, to do the sonar? Hmmm... :)

I didn't buy those two aspects... Pushing it a bit too far for me... :rockbrow: :)

[bassman]

(a) Cell phones just cannot do sonar... OK Fox's special one could, it had been designed to, but not regular ones... As regards trying to find the Joker, only audio was required, no sonar, so they could have stuck with just that premise, (b) There were Cell phones in every part of the building, everywhere, absolutely everywhere, to do the sonar? Hmmm... :)

I didn't buy those two aspects... Pushing it a bit too far for me... :rockbrow: :)

You have a valid point. That element of hyper reality is certainly there. Maybe they weren't using particular cell phones but the cell phone waves that populate the area. The signal from a cell phone has to shoot around, eventually get to the satelite, and then back down to the other phone lines I think...right?:rockbrow:

So maybe they somehow used the breaks within those waves and turned them into Sonar? I dunno...

I thought it was funny when Fox first showed Wayne the phone:

"It's sonar"
"Like a b...."
"YES, Mr Wayne like a submarine:"

:lol:

Wayne was going to say bat and Fox stopped him. Nice little touch...

[MinionZombie]

MZ - Great review. You seem like a guy that would be perfect to go to see a flick with. We could've talked for hours about this flick.

Cheers dude.

Indeed, I'm obsessed with film and filmmaking, and just like to let a movie sweep me away. Usually when I'm out with the lads to see a flick, the ride home in the car tends to end up in some filthy-minded depths relating to the movie (or a trailer).

For example, when me and a couple of mates went to see Doomsday, the trailer for Teeth was played ... after that, I turned to one and said "you know how you solve that problem don't you? ... Butt sex!", and he cracked up ... then it took on a life of it's own on the ride home, hehe.

On the ride home from TDK though, me and Ben got into some really deep discussions on the likes of Harvey Dent - before and after his deforming, and the whole coin toss motif.

As well as a discussion about the whole two boats thing, we got deep into the ethical rammifications of it all, and realised just how frickin' deep Nolan & Co got in the script - superb stuff.

Then we ended up in a whole tangent, originating from the whole sonar database (yeah, NORMAL phones can't do it, but phones with special tech put in them deliberately by Wayne Enterprises CAN do it in a COMIC BOOK film :p) ... about database/surveillance culture, which was deep in itself.

Now, I vote Tory - the Conservative Party - but I'm totally against surveillance society, and meanwhile Ben votes Labour (who are traditionally left wing ... but not anymore ... they might as well rename 2008 as 1984 these days), and he was totally in favour of CCTV everywhere ... so we got into this epic debate about CCTV and suchlike, but had to stop cos I just got too irate, lol.

Back to movies though, yeah I just enjoy having a good time at the flicks and love to get into passionate discussions about them on the way back, such as coming back from Indy 4 pointing out all the far-fetched stuff from 1 through 3 when two of the lads bitched about the alien stuff. :lol:

[mista_mo]

I thought that the voice he did was great....Mainly because he (Bruce Wayne) literally becomes a whole other person when he puts on the bat suit- it is his escape from his other life, and he ceases to be Bruce Wayne.


I hope the next film touches on Bruces inability to ever let go of being batman, as fighting crime is a never ending business, and while he cannot bring himself to kill the criminals, he can't let go of the persona he has adopted either.

That, as far as i am concerned, is the best aspect of Batman and Bruce Wayne; He fights a never ending war against criminals, and has to have enough willpower to keep himself from going over the edge and give into the darkness. He essentially is always walking that thin line.

[MinionZombie]

Just watched the hospital scene again, f*ck me it's soooooo good. "Hiiiiii..." :D

Plus the whole walk out/explosion which was just awesome.

I'd definitely watch a third film, as long as it was Bale and Nolan behind it - but I wouldn't want it until they've had plenty of time to digest The Dark Knight (and time for we the viewers to digest TDK, which was so bloody mind-blowing as is), and then come up with something really good to do, in true Bale/Nolan style.

That's ALL I'd want out of a third film, otherwise if it was just left with The Dark Knight, I would be happy still, because TDK is so absolute, so complete and just so awesome, it'd be insanely hard to top - or indeed, to sequelise anyway, WHERE do you go from there?

Indeed, Mo raises a good point in terms of the Wayne/Batman dynamic, which is really only where it can go from here.

Ah mate, I hope they bring out a boshty-as-fook double disc DVD straight off the bat, none of that "vanilla release now, proper one three months later".

*sigh*

Anyway, man I love TDK! :)

[clanglee]

That could well explain the 'lossenger effect' :). This hasn't been mentioned in either film though, has it?

No, I don't think they ever covered it in the movies. . but it is so in the comics. . so I use it as a nice explination for the growly grrr voice.:D

[MinionZombie]

No, I don't think they ever covered it in the movies. . but it is so in the comics. . so I use it as a nice explination for the growly grrr voice.:D
And it's a damn sight better than him coming out of the shadows and going "ooh, you are awful ... but I like you" then bopping them on the head ... ... or talking in mockney lingo or something.

"WHERE???!!!" - who doesn't love that?

[bassman]

There's only one thing that could have made TDK better. The old hit graphics...








http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd169/lizreitz/kapow2b.jpg

[MinionZombie]

There's only one thing that could have made TDK better. The old hit graphics...








http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd169/lizreitz/kapow2b.jpg
Err ... no. :p

It does annoy me when columnists or whatever go on about TDK being so "dark", and comparing it to how the "original" Batman (i.e. circa the TV show) was so light and fluffy - err, the original comics were pretty dark, the roots of Batman lie in darkness. The TV show took it into a whole other direction that was never originally intended.

Annnnnnnnyway ... did I happen to say recently that The Dark Knight was f*ckin' awesome? :)

[Neil]

Err ... no. :p

It does annoy me when columnists or whatever go on about TDK being so "dark", and comparing it to how the "original" Batman (i.e. circa the TV show) was so light and fluffy - err, the original comics were pretty dark, the roots of Batman lie in darkness. The TV show took it into a whole other direction that was never originally intended.

Annnnnnnnyway ... did I happen to say recently that The Dark Knight was f*ckin' awesome? :)

I like the fact the last two films have been back to basics, more genuine and more brutal... That's why they are the best Batman films made IMHO...

[MinionZombie]

I like the fact the last two films have been back to basics, more genuine and more brutal... That's why they are the best Batman films made IMHO...
Deffo.

Plus they've been treated as more than they would have otherwise been in other hands. They're not "just comic book films", they're full on films packed with real drama and tragedy and power.

[Danny]

*slams head on desk*

BUT HES MEANT TO BE THE WORLDS GREATEST DETECTIVE?!?!:lol:

[clanglee]

He finally did some detective work in this one though. I was quite happy to see that.:D

[MinionZombie]

But even still, being dressed up as a bat and flying from rooftops and driving around in that car isn't very detectivy...:D

Where's his rain coat, his hat, his magnifying glass, his pipe, his Watson? :p

[mista_mo]

batman is also pretty much the pinnacle of human physical perfection. Greatest detective in the world, and greatest human martial artist in the world...pretty hardcore stuff.

[AcesandEights]

Greatest detective in the world, and greatest human martial artist in the world...pretty hardcore stuff.

Yes, greatest human martial artist. But I wonder...





http://www.johnrozum.com/images/hongkongphooey.jpg

[mista_mo]

what the hell is that

[AcesandEights]

what the hell is that

:|

Um. That, good, young sir, is Hong Kong Phooey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_Phooey), "Number one Super Guy", and he is the greatest canine martial artist in the world.

Kids today, I swear.

[mista_mo]

better keep him away from any cats, otherwise he'll go in and start eating their s*it. Every superhero has it's weakness, and his would be the enticing aroma of freshly lain cat crap.

And Howard the Duck would kill him in close combat.

Oh, and The series ended 12 years before I was born, so forgive me if i don't posses the memroy of my parents, or a device capable of travelling into the past....Yet....

Old basturds these days, I swear...

[AcesandEights]

The series ended 12 years before I was born

Wow, I was just starting High School when you were born. **** :eek:

[mista_mo]

yea, it's crazy. And too think I am pretty much a perfect example of a human, even after just 20 years of life.

That's right, even Batman envies me.

[Danny]

geezus mo, were the same age and i know him, he-hes the number one super guy!


some say even quicker than the human eye.

[bassman]

Just got a call from a buddy of mine. Apparently I'll be able to experience TDK in the comfort of my own home tonight. Good quality, too.:D

[DjfunkmasterG]

forgive me if i don't posses the memroy of my parents, or a device capable of travelling into the past....Yet....

But you do have this device... it is called the TV set and CARTOON network. :D

[clanglee]

Yeah Mo. . by all means you must brush up on your Hanna Barbara. Next you'll not know who Jabberjaws or Fang Face are. :rolleyes:

[EvilNed]

Saw it yesterday. Good film! I'd give it a 7/10, or strong 3 out of 5. It was engaging and very suspensfull, but I felt the script was a bit overly confusing from time to time.

[CoinReturn]

Saw it yesterday. Good film! I'd give it a 7/10, or strong 3 out of 5. It was engaging and very suspensfull, but I felt the script was a bit overly confusing from time to time.

What exactly were you confused about?

[bassman]

I've heard alot of people say they were confused by some things. I wasn't really confused, but I notice something new each time I watch it.

For instance, just last night I noticed that when Joker is brought into Gamble's house as if he's dead and then he jumps out of the trash bags.....he slices the guts of two of Gamble's men that are beside the pool table as he's rising up! I didn't notice it in theater, but thought it was a nice little touch.

[EvilNed]

What exactly were you confused about?

Well, there was nothing really about the plot that confused me. It was just that some subplots were technically not needed. Such as the Hong Kong visit. I could have done without it, and it served no purpose. There could have been some other, easier way to work around the Lau part. And I also didn't buy several motivations in the film, such as why Harvey Dent turned against Gordon soooo fast. That was pretty lame.

However, the car chase was very confusing. Not because of the script, obviously, but I had no idea of where the cars were in relation to each other.

But still a good film.

[bassman]

However, the car chase was very confusing. Not because of the script, obviously, but I had no idea of where the cars were in relation to each other.



Really? I was able to tell what was going on MUCH easier than the police chase in Batman Begins. I thought this chase in TDK was planned out perfectly...

[EvilNed]

Really? I was able to tell what was going on MUCH easier than the police chase in Batman Begins. I thought this chase in TDK was planned out perfectly...

Not me. As soon as the batmobile entered the fray, it was just "uh, where the hell is everyone?" and they broke the axel constantly, which made it ever more confusing. I definetly don't think it was planned out perfectly, far from it. It started out good, tho.