Romero-type zombies and animals

[DrX]

Please help me settle a ridiculous debate. What would happen in a fight between a zombie and crocodile? (I told you it's ridiculous.) We had previously specified that the zombie would be following the "rules" of the standard Romero films. I think, quite obviously, the crocoduile whould be able to tear into the zombie and probably destroy it fairly easily. However, is there any evidence from the films to say if the zombie bite poison will kill an animal? (I think it's pretty safe to say that animals don't become undead in GAR films.)

The only living animal I can recall seeing in a Dead film is the crocodile in the beginning of Day, but I've only seen Land once and have not yet seen Diary. Any help?

(By the way, if you want to see where this insanity is coming from, check out the Creature Arena Fights at Batter Fried Bacon (http://batterfriedbacon.blogspot.com/).)

[Trencher]

Crocodiles love rotting meat and would gobble down a zombie without any trouble at all, if the zombie is poisionous to the crocodile I dont know but I dont think so.

[bassman]

In Romero's world animals don't become zombies. The crocs at the beginning of Day are alive, not dead.



(By the way, if you want to see where this insanity is coming from, check out the Creature Arena Fights at Batter Fried Bacon (http://batterfriedbacon.blogspot.com/).)


Is this post just an attempt to get people to visit your site?:sneaky:

[SymphonicX]

I need to counter this argument.

In NOTLD, the radio guy is specifically talking about an elephant that tries to move it's trunk after it's dead..."it opened it's eyes, and tried to move".

Also Dr Millard Rausch explains that "even animals will adopt the basic use of tools in this manner"

Someone want to clarify this for me? have i got it totally backwards?

[bassman]

I need to counter this argument.

In NOTLD, the radio guy is specifically talking about an elephant that tries to move it's trunk after it's dead..."it opened it's eyes, and tried to move".

Also Dr Millard Rausch explains that "even animals will adopt the basic use of tools in this manner"

Someone want to clarify this for me? have i got it totally backwards?

I don't remember the thing about the elephant, but I think Rausch was just saying that the dead humans are about as smart as a LIVE animal.

[Doc]

In NOTLD, the radio guy is specifically talking about an elephant that tries to move it's trunk after it's dead..."it opened it's eyes, and tried to move".

Actually it was a cadaver.

[Trin]

The crocodile in Day sure looked to be alive. And there were plenty of zombies around. So it stands to reason that either the zombies were never a threat to it or the two had never tussled. Whether or not it was eating them is impossible to tell. I've heard that crocs will eat about anything, but at the same time you didn't see any corpses around that were mutilated like a crocodile would do. The zombies in general don't come off as decayed in the sense of rotting meat. They don't attract flies or maggots, why crocodiles? Hard to tell.

I don't recall the NOTLD reference to the elephant. Is that in the '68 version?

The reference to animals using tools by Rausch in Dawn '78 was not related to zombie animals at all. He was merely pointing out that the zombies were not showing evidence of intelligence higher than that of an animal. Since animals can use tools in the same way as the zombies were using tools.

In Land I believe we did see a live rat in the shed where Mouse was waiting for the money.

The simple lack of evidence also points toward a conclusion - if animals followed the same rules as humans I think the news reports would've mentioned it. "It's not your parent or sibling or hamster anymore."

In the Land script there is a reference to rats being zombie rats. Don't beat me up - I know it's not in the movies so it doesn't count. But it proves that GAR was not opposed to the idea. Frankly, I'm glad he didn't go through with it. It raises too many questions. Just think of the debate it would cause. You'd never have any survivors in a world like Land. Or Day. Or Dawn. The rats alone would multiply in living numbers early on and once they started dying there would never be a safe place again. You're worried about 100,000 humans as zombies? What about 100,000,000 zombie rats?

I think this is also noteworthy from the Land script.
"The rat is now half a rat. Its ass has been blown off. Yet IT’S STILL RUNNING!"

Next topic - Running rats versus shambling rats!!

[Doc]

I don't recall the NOTLD reference to the elephant. Is that in the '68 version?

Yeah it was in the part when the dude which Mr. DubiousComforts has as a avatar is on tv and says something about a cadaver in university that opened its eyes and tried to move.






Next we should debate running dog zombies versus shambling dog zombies!! :eek:

:lol::shifty:

[Mike70]

Yeah it was in the part when the dude which Mr. DubiousComforts has as a avatar is on tv and says something about a cadaver in university that opened its eyes and tried to move.


doc is dead on here folks.

it was a cadaver from which all the limbs had been removed. the trunk referred to in the news report was in reference to that.

[SymphonicX]

Yeah it was in the part when the dude which Mr. DubiousComforts has as a avatar is on tv and says something about a cadaver in university that opened its eyes and tried to move.






:lol::shifty:

But I specifically remember the word "trunk"...was it in a car or something?!


doc is dead on here folks.

it was a cadaver from which all the limbs had been removed. the trunk referred to in the news report was in reference to that.

Ehhh?


I don't remember the thing about the elephant, but I think Rausch was just saying that the dead humans are about as smart as a LIVE animal.

Name me an animal live or dead that uses tools?!

hahaha

[SRP76]

Trunk = your body. Without limbs. Just like a tree.

And the mongoose uses rocks to beat cobras to death. The mongoose snaps it like a football, beaning the snake. Looks ridiculous, but it works. That goes under "using external articles as bludgeons".

[Mike70]

Name me an animal live or dead that uses tools?!

hahaha

chimps use sticks to fish for termites. they also use rocks to bust open nuts and occasionally have been known to use sticks as weapons.

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[DrX]

In Romero's world animals don't become zombies. The crocs at the beginning of Day are alive, not dead.

Is this post just an attempt to get people to visit your site?:sneaky:

Yeah, as I said, I'm fairly certain there are no undead animals. The (probably unanswerable) questions are:

-- Are zombies toxic to animals, or just to people? I can't remember if there are any gross-out scenes of zombies with bugs or maggots eating them.... that might help.

-- Do zombies eat animals? Again, can't recall an animal being eaten in a GAR film... though animals are also very rarely seen.

And I could care less if you visit our site. Just trying to settle a debate. :D

[Bub666]

Yeah, the crocodile would eat the zombie.

[bassman]

Name me an animal live or dead that uses tools?!

hahaha

What scip said. I guess you don't watch too many documentaries on certain animals...

[sandrock74]

It was mentioned in passing in DAWN (the original) on one of the newscasts that ONLY humans and higher order primates were affected by the zombie virus (or whatever it was). Obviously that would be due to humans and higher order primates being so close genetically.

Besides, your average animal would have little to worry from a shambling zombie. Remember, animals sense of smell is far superior to that of a human, not to mention hearing AND some animals can see in the dark! Most animals would know a zombie was approaching long before it got to them.

[Bub666]

It was mentioned in passing in DAWN (the original) on one of the newscasts that ONLY humans and higher order primates were affected by the zombie virus


I must of missed that.Where in the movie was that?

[Griff]

In NOTLD, the radio guy is specifically talking about an elephant that tries to move it's trunk after it's dead..."it opened it's eyes, and tried to move".

Ha ha. And I thought you were kidding...

[Doc]

-- Do zombies eat animals? Again, can't recall an animal being eaten in a GAR film... though animals are also very rarely seen.



Well there was one zed who devoured a bug in Night.

[Mike70]

Well there was one zed who devoured a bug in Night.

then there were the zombies that were eating/fighting over the mouse in night90.

[slickwilly13]

Did a zombie catch a snake in NOTLD '68?

[Legion2213]

Any zombie going up against a croc is lunch.

There is a cracking little story about a Croc V's Zombie encounter in the fiction section, can't remember what it's called, I will post the title later, it's well worth the few minutes it takes to read.

Edit: It's called "Predatory Species", it can be found on page 19 of the fiction section.

[Doc]

Did a zombie catch a snake in NOTLD '68?

Nope. I pretty sure it was just some of the remains of Tom and Judy.

[Bub666]

Nope. I pretty sure it was just some of the remains of Tom and Judy.

Yeah,I think it was their intestines.

[slickwilly13]

I am certain it was before the feeding scene. I remember the intestines fight. I'll watch the movie again one day and see if I can spot it.

[Bub666]

I'am going to have to watch NOTLD '68 this weekend,I don't remember a snake in that movie.

[slickwilly13]

Unfortunately, I have the infamous version and I am not sitting through that again. I do have some award pts at Best Buy. I could probably get the newest edition for free.

[sandrock74]

There is no snake in either version of NIGHT. You must be thinking of something else.

[Griff]

Have we learnt nothing from shark vs zombie?

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[Bub666]

Have we learnt nothing from shark vs zombie?

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I love that scene.

[Trencher]

In night a zombie eats a catapillar that she picks up from a branch.
Zombies are seen to eat what they get their hands on humans are just the easiest prey for them. In any case one thing I allways have wondered about is why no zombies attacked the alligator in Day but Romero answerd that by showing us that they actually learn.

[Neil]

In night a zombie eats a catapillar that she picks up from a branch.
Zombies are seen to eat what they get their hands on humans are just the easiest prey for them. In any case one thing I allways have wondered about is why no zombies attacked the alligator in Day but Romero answerd that by showing us that they actually learn.

I think in 'Night' Romero was a little unsure of his rules... We see zombies almost running at times, showing clear intelligence (picking up stones to break windows and tools to stab people), eating non-human flesh, ie: insects and mice...

The rules seems to bed down at times in Night, and definately for his latter living dead films...

[Trencher]

The rules seems to bed down at times in Night, and definately for his latter living dead films...
I did not like the fact that the zombies could learn and have distinct personalites, but I did like the unpredictability of the zombies in night. It makes them more scary as enemies and places the focus on the humans in the house where it belong.

[carpetbeggar]

I think in 'Night' Romero was a little unsure of his rules... We see zombies almost running at times, showing clear intelligence (picking up stones to break windows and tools to stab people), eating non-human flesh, ie: insects and mice...

The rules seems to bed down at times in Night, and definately for his latter living dead films...

Great post Neil, I totally agree with you here.

[darth los]

I love that scene.

After the hot chick in the g-string appears i can't keep my mind on anything else.


I think in 'Night' Romero was a little unsure of his rules... We see zombies almost running at times, showing clear intelligence (picking up stones to break windows and tools to stab people), eating non-human flesh, ie: insects and mice...

The rules seems to bed down at times in Night, and definately for his latter living dead films...


I could swear that there was an interview or commentary i saw somewhere saying something to that affect. However, i can't pinpoint where right now.

[Neil]

I could swear that there was an interview or commentary i saw somewhere saying something to that affect. However, i can't pinpoint where right now.

See! I told you I was a genius!

[darth los]

See! I told you I was a genius!

It's obvious to anyone who has watched the series that he didn't have his rules written in stone at that point. Jogging ghouls, ghouls that eat bugs and what seems like the containment of the problem ( it's certainly implied ) by the end of the film suggests that he didn't give much thought to future installments of the series. He was just an independent film maker trying to break into the business. It's funny how nowday sequels are almost a given. There was a different mentality back then when it came to movie making.

[jim102016]

An elephant? ****, I guess that part of the movie puts me to sleep. Don't remember anything about animals. Have to watch it again soon.

[sandrock74]

There was NO elephant featured OR mentioned in NIGHT! None, zero, ziltch, nada. The "trunk" that was referred to was the torso (a body) of a corpse that had its limbs surgically removed and the corpse still reanimated and tried to move about.

Its been explained already in this very thread but I guess some people still don't understand what was meant in the news report.

[Yojimbo]

Yeah, no zombie elephants for sure. That was a misunderstanding of the use of the word "Trunk" as related to a cadaver that had it's arms and legs amputated but tried to move.

And on the subject of Romero's rules varying from Night to later installments: while I agree that Romero had not solidified the rules per se when he made night, I do remember seeing a zombie in Dawn using a tire iron to break open a window. And while in Dawn we did not see any zombies eating anything but human flesh, we did see a pair of fairly quick-footed children zombies converging on Peter. While they were not really running, ala DAWN 04, they were moving pretty quick. So there is, at least, some consistenency between the ghouls in Night andthe ghouls in Dawn.

[JasonEdw]

I swear I posted a reply twice, but oh well, here goes a third try...
This topic reminded me of something I seen on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSPG9QQg4C0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSPG9QQg4C0