No Hope

[strayrider]

Is there anyone involved with Obama who doesn't have a criminal record?

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/02/07/obama_hope_poster_artist_arrested_in_boston/

Sounds to me like he was arrested for spray painting on walls. Heck, any dummy with a can of Krylon can do that ... but this guy is an artist!

Favorite quote: "The fact that he is arrested for his art shows that it is meaningful to him and he cares about what he is doing."

Uh, I believe he was arrested for what the rest of call "vandalism". And of course he cares, he's not the one who has to scrub it off.

:lol:

-stray-

[SymphonicX]

Someone care to post some artistic, beautiful graffiti to counter the argument that it's "vandalism"?

When it's done right, it's amazing - when it's just rubbish tagging, then it's vandalism...there is a difference

[krakenslayer]

It's a moral grey area IMO - some people can make great art with a wall and a can of spray paint, but if the owner of the property doesn't want any art on his wall, then does that mean his rights have been impinged? I dunno, probably.

As far as the political side of this thread goes, I have to say a big "so what!?". We've all done something illegal at some point in our lives. Personally, I'd rather the world's leaders were flawed human beings like the best of us, as opposed to obsessive moralists who would undoubtedly want to impose their values on us.

[Tricky]

Some graffiti is extremely artistic & i respect the talent that the artist has,but it still makes an area look rough!The only graffiti artist i really like is banksy,but theres far more political & social punch in his work than just tags & cartoons..

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/12/04/BanksyImage_wideweb__470x368,0.jpg
http://www.dsng.net/uploaded_images/banksy_what_full-769135.jpg
http://www.individualsole.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/banksy-alabama-4.jpg
http://adweek.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/banksy.jpg
http://www.spitalfieldsartmarket.co.uk/prodimages/sniperxlg.jpg

[3pidemiC]

*sigh* We get it.

You hate Obama.

Let it be.

[Marie]

Someone care to post some artistic, beautiful graffiti to counter the argument that it's "vandalism"?

When it's done right, it's amazing - when it's just rubbish tagging, then it's vandalism...there is a difference

When you OWN the wall you can paint it how you like. When it belongs to somebody else and you paint it anyway then it;s probably vandalism no matter how artistic.

M_

[kortick]

Hmm lets see...spraypainting a wall isnt a very
professional thing to do for sure for a cabinet member.

But what about Bush? THE PRESIDENT?
he is the only president elected with a criminal record
he was arrested THREE times.

The first arrest of George W. Bush was for theft at a hotel.
The second arrest was for disorderly conduct at a football game.
The third arrest-- drunk driving.

Plus he was a KNOWN cocaine user.

And lets not leave out Dick Cheney the VICE PRESIDENT
he was arrested twice- for drunk driving.

this is all public record, a simple google search can verify.
its not liberal media propaganda.

no, cabinet members shouldnt spraypaint walls.

But the last administration and those who
praise it should be careful of what they post.
It just might make thier heroes look bad.

And for the record bush and obama can both go eat shit.
but dont play like Bush and Cheney and thier crew were saints.

[blind2d]

Yeah Banksy! I'm a big fan. - 2D
Nobody cares, man. - myself
Shut up! - y'all

[Philly_SWAT]

Is there anyone involved with Obama who doesn't have a criminal record?

Yes, this is indeed a high crime against humanity. We should impeach Obama immediately, and install Chancelor Palin as the Commander in Chief. I am sure that our standing in the world, the respect that the Presidency receives, and all of our financial problems will be immediately improved. I mean hey, intelligence, thoughtfulness and sincere caring are all highly overrated. And of course, everyone should be held accountable for the actions of others, not their own.

[Marie]

Hmm lets see...spraypainting a wall isnt a very
professional thing to do for sure for a cabinet member.

But what about Bush? THE PRESIDENT?
he is the only president elected with a criminal record
he was arrested THREE TIMES.

I thought we were talking about the guy who painted the wall he doesen't own? When do we get to the point where everything isn't Bush's fault and people are responsible for themselves?

M_

[kortick]

Hmm...I dont recall ever saying it was ok for
the guy to spraypaint a wall. hes a shithead.

and isnt the first line of this thread:
"Is there anyone involved with Obama who doesn't have a criminal record?"

That line doesnt mention anything about who owns a wall.

It is an attack on the Obama presidency.

And seeing how both the last President and Vice President
have criminal records, i dont see how anyone would even
be dumb enough to attack CABINET members in an administration
when the EXECUTIVES from the last one
committted worse crimes and more of them.

Pls dont think i am so stupid to beleive this is about who owns a fucking wall.

[strayrider]

Hmm lets see...spraypainting a wall isnt a very
professional thing to do for sure for a cabinet member.

First off, did you even read the article? It is not about one of Obama's cabinet members, it is an article about Shepard Fairey the artist who designed Obama's campaign posters.


Plus he was a KNOWN cocaine user.

So? It seems that two of our recent presidents, and our current prez, were involved in drug use at some point in their lives. Big deal. It was the sign of the times that they (and some of us on this board) grew up in. Heck, Obama even admitted that he "inhaled":lol: and that is one of the few (very few) things I can find to admire about him.


But the last administration and those who praise it should be careful of what they post. It just might make thier heroes look bad. dont play like Bush and Cheney and thier crew were saints

You are operating under the assumption that anyone who is critical of Obama must be a Bush/Cheney fan.

:D

-stray-

[Philly_SWAT]

kortick, I think something is wrong with your new sig pic. I cant click it :)

[Safari Mike]

Stray Rider, its Crappingbear here finally able to post after....years. But, in the meantime my surival skills haven't lost an edge. :) So, due to registering issues Im now Safari Mike. And yes, I just got back from Safari in the desert southwest. Anyone here still able to hit a double tap and head shot or are they all kids? :)

[strayrider]

Stray Rider, its Crappingbear here finally able to post after....years. But, in the meantime my surival skills haven't lost an edge. :) So, due to registering issues Im now Safari Mike. And yes, I just got back from Safari in the desert southwest. Anyone here still able to hit a double tap and head shot or are they all kids? :)

Hey Bear! Welcome back!

Yes, there are still a few shooters onboard.

:D

-stray-

[3pidemiC]

. We should impeach Obama immediately, and install Chancelor Palin as the Commander in Chief. I am sure that our standing in the world, the respect that the Presidency receives, and all of our financial problems will be immediately improved. I mean hey, intelligence, thoughtfulness and sincere caring are all highly overrated. And of course, everyone should be held accountable for the actions of others, not their own.


:lol:

[DubiousComforts]

Is there anyone involved with Obama who doesn't have a criminal record?
How does painting a piece of art that was eventually adopted by a presidential campaign make this guy "involved" with Obama?

I get it... the self-righteous, patriotic right hates anything "counterculture." However, apparently they can't quite decide if Fairey is counterculture or Totalitarian. Well, here's a clue...

"The artist was arrested at about 9:15 p.m. as he was about to enter a sold-out dance event at the Institute of Contemporary Art on Northern Avenue, known as 'Experiment Night.' The event is geared toward a younger-age crowd, with techno-style music, and more than 750 people were waiting for him, some of whom had bought tickets for the event on Craigslist for as much as $500."

Fairey is a Capitalist, and graffiti art is big business. (In fact, one of the biggest clients at my job is a branded Brooklyn "street artist.") Looks like Fairey and his ilk are actually good for stimulating the economy. He may need to be bailed out of jail, but at least he doesn't need to be fiscally bailed out with the other criminals.

[strayrider]

How does painting a piece of art that was eventually adopted by a presidential campaign make this guy "involved" with Obama?

I meant that in the Biblical sense ... they are "involved" aren't they? No, wait, that was Larry StClare wasn't it?


I get it... the self-righteous, patriotic right hates anything "counterculture."

Critical now equals "self-righteous"?

The boy, as I have since found out, was arrested for "tagging", or defacing private/public property with his "art", probably in an attempt to get his "counter-culture" message out there to us unwashed masses.


Fairey is a Capitalist, and graffiti art is big business. (In fact, one of the biggest clients at my job is a branded Brooklyn "street artist.") Looks like Fairey and his ilk are actually good for stimulating the economy. He may need to be bailed out of jail, but at least he doesn't need to be fiscally bailed out with the other criminals.

I actually like a LOT of his work. He is an inspiration unto me, but he really needs to keep it in the studio, a gallery, on private/public property with permission, or in magazine or even presidential campaign ads. If he makes a fortune in these outlets, power to him! Simply slinking around in the dead of night and pasting his stickers wherever he wants is just plain naughty.

;)

-stray-

ps -- if you're really into this form of art, send me a PM with your home address. I'll stop by sometime and spray paint something special on the side of your house.

[DeadJonas190]

When you OWN the wall you can paint it how you like. When it belongs to somebody else and you paint it anyway then it;s probably vandalism no matter how artistic.

M_

Unfortunately not even that is true. A local artist in my city painted the side of his art studio with pictures of cherubs and the portraits of those who died in the Columbine massacre and the city went after him over it, they claimed that not only did it violate the "No second sign on a building" rule (yet they allow many fast food businesses have second and third and fourth signs) but that it distracted from the beauty of our city. He painted over the mural, but was still involved in a lawsuit with the city. This went back and forth between him and the city, with him repainting the wall with people and simple messages like "hope" as it was within his right to do and finally ended after nearly 10 years with him winning in the state supreme court. The city wasted all the tax payers money because they basically didn't like his art even though at many city council meetings people stood up and spoke out against them going against him. It took a state supreme court ruling for him to have the right to paint his own building with a mural to beautify the city.

It's guys like the one the OP is about that cause these types of problems. Yes graffiti can be considered art, there is plenty of beautiful graffiti out there, but what it comes down to is that vandalism is a crime.

However, there is no need to bring Obama into the situation because they guy painted a picture that was adopted by the campaign. It also doesn't say he was arrested for his art, but that he was arrested for two outstanding warrants and that "police could not describe the nature of the outstanding warrants" so for all we know he could have been arrested for unpaid traffic tickets even though it is probably his art that got him arrested.