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DjfunkmasterG
12-May-2006, 11:42 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/11/nsa.phonerecords/index.html

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush said Thursday the government is "not mining or trolling through the personal lives of millions of innocent Americans" with a reported program to create a massive database of U.S. phone calls.

"The privacy of ordinary Americans is fiercely protected in all our activities," Bush said in a statement he read to reporters at the White House. "Our efforts are focused on links to al Qaeda and their known affiliates." (Transcript of Bush's statement)

Bush's comments followed a USA Today report Thursday that telecommunications giants AT&T, BellSouth and Verizon have provided the National Security Agency with billions of records of domestic phone calls beginning shortly after the attacks of September 11, 2001. (Read what the reporter who broke the story says)

The secretive electronic intelligence agency does not record or listen to the conversations but uses the data -- numbers, times and locations -- to look for patterns that might suggest terrorist activity, the newspaper reported.

Bush would neither confirm nor deny the program's existence, but he told reporters the government "does not listen to domestic phone calls without court approval." (Watch Bush on "what the government is doing" -- 2:24)

Representatives of Verizon and AT&T declined to comment on what they called national security matters, but insisted they are acting in compliance with the law.

Political repercussions
Bush administration officials already have been under fire for allowing the NSA, without a court order, to monitor calls between people in the United States and people overseas suspected of having links to terrorists. (Watch as Democrats call for an investigation and Republicans back Bush -- 2:35)

Lawmakers from both parties said Thursday's report raises new questions about the extent of the administration's surveillance efforts, and some warned it could complicate Bush's nomination of Gen. Michael Hayden, a former NSA director, to replace Porter Goss as head of the CIA.

Republican Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said he would call phone company executives to testify about their involvement.

Specter has complained the administration has been reluctant to provide details of the previously known surveillance program since its disclosure in December.

"We will be calling in ATT, Verizon and BellSouth, as well as others, to see some of the underlying facts when we can't find out from the Department of Justice or other administration officials," he said.

According to the USA Today report, Qwest, a Denver, Colorado-based telecommunications company, refused to cooperate with the program. T-Mobile USA, a wireless operator based in Bellevue, Washington, later said it also does not participate, The Associated Press reported.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, a Tennessee Republican, told reporters he "strongly" agrees with Bush and said, "We'll discuss whether hearings are necessary." Republican Sen. Trent Lott of Mississippi said Specter should back off his call for hearings.

"What are people worried about? What is the problem?" asked Lott, a former majority leader. "Are you doing something you're not supposed to?"

Hayden, now deputy national intelligence director, faces a Senate confirmation hearing for the CIA post May 18. Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, a member of the Judiciary Committee, said Thursday's disclosure presented "a growing impediment" to his nomination.

"I happen to believe we are on our way to a major constitutional confrontation on Fourth Amendment guarantees of unreasonable search and seizure," said Feinstein, who had expressed no reservations about Hayden earlier this week.

White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said the Bush administration would continue to push Hayden's nomination "full steam ahead."

Hayden, who headed the NSA from March 1999 to April 2005 during the time when the surveillance program began, met Thursday with Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican whip, about his nomination.

"All I would want to say is that everything that NSA does is lawful and very carefully done, and that the appropriate members of Congress, the House and Senate, are briefed on all NSA activities," Hayden said after the meeting.

Leahy: 'Shame on us'
Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont, the ranking Democrat on the Judiciary Committee, blasted his colleagues for failing to demand answers from the administration.

"Shame on us for being so willing to rubber-stamp anything this administration does," he said. "The Republican-controlled Congress refuses to ask questions, so we have to pick up the paper to find out what is going on." (Watch Leahy express anger -- 3:56)

Republican Sen. Pat Roberts of Kansas, chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said the government was not eavesdropping on the calls, and he said a subcommittee of seven senators had been briefed on the program.

"People should not be alarmed or surprised that intelligence analysts and law enforcement people use the business records or the telephone records of people -- not the content -- in regards to all sorts of things, whether you are a drug dealer, a child pornographer or a terrorist," Roberts said.

Republican Sen. Jon Kyl of Arizona said the debate is "nuts."

"We are in a war, and we've got to collect intelligence on the enemy, and you can't tell the enemy in advance how you are going to do it," Kyl said. "Discussing all of this in public leads to that."

But House Majority Leader John Boehner, a Ohio Republican, said he is "concerned" by the latest disclosure.

"I don't know enough about the details, except that I'm going to find out, because I am not sure why it would be necessary for us to keep and have that kind of information," he said. Hayden will "have a lot more explaining to do," he said.

The law covering surveillance
In a lawsuit privacy advocates brought last year against AT&T, a retired technician reported the company allowed the NSA to conduct what his lawyer called "vacuum cleaner surveillance" of e-mail messages and Internet traffic.

In court papers, Mark Klein said the spy agency was allowed to "split" fiber-optic cables, creating an exact copy of the data carried over those lines.

Critics have accused Bush of violating the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act with the program that intercepted calls between a person inside the United States and someone outside.

That 1978 law requires officials seeking to tap phone lines or collect phone records to get the approval of a special court set up to oversee intelligence issues.

The president has argued the congressional resolution that authorized military action after the 9/11 attacks, along with his authority as commander-in-chief of the military, gave him the power to initiate wiretaps without a court order.

The nine Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee issued a statement saying the program reported Thursday also appears to violate the 1978 law and shows that the Bush administration "cannot be trusted to police itself."

Investigation dropped
Four Democratic House members said Thursday they want more details from the Justice Department's Office of Professional Responsibility about the NSA's denial of security clearances to investigate the role of department attorneys in authorizing the agency's domestic surveillance program.

The Justice Department said Wednesday it had been denied security clearances and had dropped its investigation. (Full story)

Reps. Maurice Hinchey of New York, Henry Waxman of California, John Lewis of Georgia and Lynn Woolsey of California asked a Justice Department official to tell them what "agencies or persons did your office seek out for clearance" and "who made the decision not to give you clearance."

The No. 2 Democrat in the Senate, Sen. Richard Durbin of Illinois, called the development "evidence of a cover-up."

"The fact ... that the Department of Justice has abandoned their own investigation of this administration's wrongdoing because there's been a refusal to give investigators security clearances is clear evidence of a cover-up within the administration."

CNN's Ted Barrett, Deirdre Walsh and Kevin Bohn contributed to this report.

Copyright 2006 CNN. All rights reserved.

ORIGINAL ARTICLE

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-11-nsa-reax_x.htm

dmbfanintn
12-May-2006, 01:44 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/11/nsa.phonerecords/index.html

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush said Thursday the government is "not mining or trolling through the personal lives of millions of innocent Americans" with a reported program to create a massive database of U.S. phone calls.

"The privacy of ordinary Americans is fiercely protected in all our activities," Bush said in a statement he read to reporters at the White House. "Our efforts are focused on links to al Qaeda and their known affiliates." (Transcript of Bush's statement)

Bush's comments followed a USA Today report Thursday that telecommunications giants AT&T, BellSouth and Verizon have provided the National Security Agency with billions of records of domestic phone calls beginning shortly after the attacks of September 11, 2001. (Read what the reporter who broke the story says)

The secretive electronic intelligence agency does not record or listen to the conversations but uses the data -- numbers, times and locations -- to look for patterns that might suggest terrorist activity, the newspaper reported.

Bush would neither confirm nor deny the program's existence, but he told reporters the government "does not listen to domestic phone calls without court approval." (Watch Bush on "what the government is doing" -- 2:24)

Representatives of Verizon and AT&T declined to comment on what they called national security matters, but insisted they are acting in compliance with the law.

Political repercussions
Bush administration officials already have been under fire for allowing the NSA, without a court order, to monitor calls between people in the United States and people overseas suspected of having links to terrorists. (Watch as Democrats call for an investigation and Republicans back Bush -- 2:35)

Lawmakers from both parties said Thursday's report raises new questions about the extent of the administration's surveillance efforts, and some warned it could complicate Bush's nomination of Gen. Michael Hayden, a former NSA director, to replace Porter Goss as head of the CIA.

Republican Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said he would call phone company executives to testify about their involvement.

Specter has complained the administration has been reluctant to provide details of the previously known surveillance program since its disclosure in December.

"We will be calling in ATT, Verizon and BellSouth, as well as others, to see some of the underlying facts when we can't find out from the Department of Justice or other administration officials," he said.

According to the USA Today report, Qwest, a Denver, Colorado-based telecommunications company, refused to cooperate with the program. T-Mobile USA, a wireless operator based in Bellevue, Washington, later said it also does not participate, The Associated Press reported.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, a Tennessee Republican, told reporters he "strongly" agrees with Bush and said, "We'll discuss whether hearings are necessary." Republican Sen. Trent Lott of Mississippi said Specter should back off his call for hearings.

"What are people worried about? What is the problem?" asked Lott, a former majority leader. "Are you doing something you're not supposed to?"

Hayden, now deputy national intelligence director, faces a Senate confirmation hearing for the CIA post May 18. Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, a member of the Judiciary Committee, said Thursday's disclosure presented "a growing impediment" to his nomination.

"I happen to believe we are on our way to a major constitutional confrontation on Fourth Amendment guarantees of unreasonable search and seizure," said Feinstein, who had expressed no reservations about Hayden earlier this week.

White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said the Bush administration would continue to push Hayden's nomination "full steam ahead."

Hayden, who headed the NSA from March 1999 to April 2005 during the time when the surveillance program began, met Thursday with Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican whip, about his nomination.

"All I would want to say is that everything that NSA does is lawful and very carefully done, and that the appropriate members of Congress, the House and Senate, are briefed on all NSA activities," Hayden said after the meeting.

Leahy: 'Shame on us'
Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont, the ranking Democrat on the Judiciary Committee, blasted his colleagues for failing to demand answers from the administration.

"Shame on us for being so willing to rubber-stamp anything this administration does," he said. "The Republican-controlled Congress refuses to ask questions, so we have to pick up the paper to find out what is going on." (Watch Leahy express anger -- 3:56)

Republican Sen. Pat Roberts of Kansas, chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said the government was not eavesdropping on the calls, and he said a subcommittee of seven senators had been briefed on the program.

"People should not be alarmed or surprised that intelligence analysts and law enforcement people use the business records or the telephone records of people -- not the content -- in regards to all sorts of things, whether you are a drug dealer, a child pornographer or a terrorist," Roberts said.

Republican Sen. Jon Kyl of Arizona said the debate is "nuts."

"We are in a war, and we've got to collect intelligence on the enemy, and you can't tell the enemy in advance how you are going to do it," Kyl said. "Discussing all of this in public leads to that."

But House Majority Leader John Boehner, a Ohio Republican, said he is "concerned" by the latest disclosure.

"I don't know enough about the details, except that I'm going to find out, because I am not sure why it would be necessary for us to keep and have that kind of information," he said. Hayden will "have a lot more explaining to do," he said.

The law covering surveillance
In a lawsuit privacy advocates brought last year against AT&T, a retired technician reported the company allowed the NSA to conduct what his lawyer called "vacuum cleaner surveillance" of e-mail messages and Internet traffic.

In court papers, Mark Klein said the spy agency was allowed to "split" fiber-optic cables, creating an exact copy of the data carried over those lines.

Critics have accused Bush of violating the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act with the program that intercepted calls between a person inside the United States and someone outside.

That 1978 law requires officials seeking to tap phone lines or collect phone records to get the approval of a special court set up to oversee intelligence issues.

The president has argued the congressional resolution that authorized military action after the 9/11 attacks, along with his authority as commander-in-chief of the military, gave him the power to initiate wiretaps without a court order.

The nine Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee issued a statement saying the program reported Thursday also appears to violate the 1978 law and shows that the Bush administration "cannot be trusted to police itself."

Investigation dropped
Four Democratic House members said Thursday they want more details from the Justice Department's Office of Professional Responsibility about the NSA's denial of security clearances to investigate the role of department attorneys in authorizing the agency's domestic surveillance program.

The Justice Department said Wednesday it had been denied security clearances and had dropped its investigation. (Full story)

Reps. Maurice Hinchey of New York, Henry Waxman of California, John Lewis of Georgia and Lynn Woolsey of California asked a Justice Department official to tell them what "agencies or persons did your office seek out for clearance" and "who made the decision not to give you clearance."

The No. 2 Democrat in the Senate, Sen. Richard Durbin of Illinois, called the development "evidence of a cover-up."

"The fact ... that the Department of Justice has abandoned their own investigation of this administration's wrongdoing because there's been a refusal to give investigators security clearances is clear evidence of a cover-up within the administration."

CNN's Ted Barrett, Deirdre Walsh and Kevin Bohn contributed to this report.

Copyright 2006 CNN. All rights reserved.

ORIGINAL ARTICLE

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-11-nsa-reax_x.htm

No personal comments on this dj?

Honestly, with Dumya's history and track record, does this surprise you?

tju1973
12-May-2006, 03:41 PM
Just do not use the phone for terroristic activities...

or don't be a terrorist...


:)

DjfunkmasterG
12-May-2006, 05:41 PM
No personal comments on this dj?

Honestly, with Dumya's history and track record, does this surprise you?


Everyone knows my feelings on the current administration. I don't think people care to read me bitching and moaning about the jackass now occupying the oval office.

dmbfanintn
12-May-2006, 08:01 PM
I don't think people care to read me bitching and moaning about the jackass now occupying the oval office.


ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE!!!! I look forward to reading your bitching and moaning about the jackass!:D :D :D :D

erisi236
12-May-2006, 08:08 PM
Everyone knows my feelings on the current administration. I don't think people care to read me bitching and moaning about the jackass now occupying the oval office.

you're right :D

Tullaryx
12-May-2006, 08:25 PM
Why are people even acting surprised. This goes beyond Dubya and the urrent administration and all the way back to the Eisenhower days. Didn't any of you people see Enemy of the State? The gubment and the telecomm industry has been in cahoots for the last half century. They've been listening on our phone calls and communications since before any of us were born, man. It's a major conspiracy that goes beyond the idiot in the White House. Conspiracy man!

DjfunkmasterG
12-May-2006, 08:27 PM
Well it is good to know someone wants to hear me ramble.


1st off, does anyone know how communism starts? If you guessed listening into peoples private conversations, or prying into the personal lives of citizens then you guessed correctly. Give yourself a cookie.

Answer me this, what does having a database of every phone call made by every american citizen help to acheive. Please someone tell me because I sit here stump trying to figure out how this database helps fight the war on terror. How does any eaves dropping help the war on terror? What happened to privacy? And did your local official ask you if you were ok with this when they enacted the patriot act?

I don't believe I heard a knock on my door, or my phone ring once about whether or not I was cool with the US gov't eaves dropping on me. It's not my problem that forrest gump didn't read the CIA memo 6 weeks before 9/11 happened. Why should I suffer so some nit wit with the IQ of a bean bag chair can look good to his fellow red state constituents?

Let me ask all you republican conservatives this. Those of you that voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004 still feel he is the man for the job? Cause a lot of your brethern are ready for a lynching party and I have the rope ready to go... Just waiting on that phone call. I find it amazing that 65% of his own party is now turning their backs on him every single day.

Not to beat a dead horse again, but lets talk about big oil for a second. our SELECTED president has said.. "we are gonna catch the gougers" yet gas prices are still over $3.00 a gallon. He said to help ease the pain at the pump lets drill in alasksa, phuck building a new refinery, lets go in there and phuck up the environment more than it already is, and get us some oil. ole DUBYA reminds me of Jed Clampett. You will never see relief from the soaring... ehhh Rocketing gas prices because he is getting a cut. it is all a smokey illusion.

Although I can't really blame DUBYA, he ain't running the country. Karl Rove and Dick Cheney are. Do you know how I know... When 9/11 happened they told you everywhere DUBYA was, but they hid Cheney the news even stated "The whereabouts of the VP are Unknown, but Pres. Bush is flying over Georgia right now." thats how you know who is really running the country. You hide the important guy, and put the dipsh*t out for everyone to aim thier bombs at.

THE WAR ON IRAQ:

There are Weapons of Mass Destruction in IRAQ (2003)

We can't fnd the weapons, but lets stick around and blow more sh*t up (2006).

IRAQ vs Vietnam - Same thing, same outcome WE PHUCKING LOST! When people get it through their thick skulls then we can move on.

I was watching CSPAN today and they asked a panel of 20 congressmen do they feel threatened by IRAN's nuclear capability 75% raised thier hands. When asked should we go to war,less than 30% raised theeir hands... and get this, they looked at their fellow congressman who were actually sitting their adjusting their shirts and ties as if to ignore the question or ask for it to be repeated.

When President Bsh was asked... He said if we need to we will. Bush reminds me of the little kid who likes to play cowboy and indians, and even though his team lost he stays out past suppertime to claim they are the true victors of the battle. Yet he is the only one screaming we won we won. Everyone else went home.

President Bush is great for entertainment, he reminds me of RAINMAN a lot, but I don't blame him I blame the cocaine he snorted in the 70's. I find this funny. We were ready to hang a pot smoker before letting him in the white house, but an admitted crackhead we open our arms and say come on in, and we hug him and pat him on the back when he does something stupid and keep repeating it's ok like he is some special ed student who just got rejected from playing in the SPECIAL OLYMPICS. WAKE THE HELL UP PEOPLE.

Our four fathers are rolling in their graves because America was a country built on the solid myth of mediocre doesn't cut it. Now stupid is accepted as quick as a food stamp in the ghetto. It is official PRES BUSH is proof you CAN lower the bar on acceptance standards.

erisi236
12-May-2006, 08:33 PM
It is official PRES BUSH is proof you CAN lower the bar on acceptance stanards.

Bill "Bubba" Clinton and Jimmy "Peanut" Carter already proved that years ago :D

Tullaryx
12-May-2006, 08:38 PM
Bill "Bubba" Clinton and Jimmy "Peanut" Carter already proved that years ago :D

At least Bubba showed us all how to have fun and the exact meaning of sexual relations. Going by the Book of Bubba, oral sex is not considered sex. :)

MaximusIncredulous
12-May-2006, 08:53 PM
Thanks for the ramble Dj, it's always nice to see that not everyone has their head shoved up their ass like good little boys and girls.

Hawkboy
12-May-2006, 09:00 PM
I'd rather have a President getting a Blow Job from a fat chick then a President who is so in desperate need of a Blow Job he decides to attack a country in the name of defending "Freedom" to get his "release". Those WMD's are going to show up any day now right?

dmbfanintn
12-May-2006, 10:21 PM
Well it is good to know someone wants to hear me ramble.


1st off, does anyone know how communism starts? If you guessed listening into peoples private conversations, or prying into the personal lives of citizens then you guessed correctly. Give yourself a cookie.

Answer me this, what does having a database of every phone call made by every american citizen help to acheive. Please someone tell me because I sit here stump trying to figure out how this database helps fight the war on terror. How does any eaves dropping help the war on terror? What happened to privacy? And did your local official ask you if you were ok with this when they enacted the patriot act?

I don't believe I heard a knock on my door, or my phone ring once about whether or not I was cool with the US gov't eaves dropping on me. It's not my problem that forrest gump didn't read the CIA memo 6 weeks before 9/11 happened. Why should I suffer so some nit wit with the IQ of a bean bag chair can look good to his fellow red state constituents?

Let me ask all you republican conservatives this. Those of you that voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004 still feel he is the man for the job? Cause a lot of your brethern are ready for a lynching party and I have the rope ready to go... Just waiting on that phone call. I find it amazing that 65% of his own party is now turning their backs on him every single day.

Not to beat a dead horse again, but lets talk about big oil for a second. our SELECTED president has said.. "we are gonna catch the gougers" yet gas prices are still over $3.00 a gallon. He said to help ease the pain at the pump lets drill in alasksa, phuck building a new refinery, lets go in there and phuck up the environment more than it already is, and get us some oil. ole DUBYA reminds me of Jed Clampett. You will never see relief from the soaring... ehhh Rocketing gas prices because he is getting a cut. it is all a smokey illusion.

Although I can't really blame DUBYA, he ain't running the country. Karl Rove and Dick Cheney are. Do you know how I know... When 9/11 happened they told you everywhere DUBYA was, but they hid Cheney the news even stated "The whereabouts of the VP are Unknown, but Pres. Bush is flying over Georgia right now." thats how you know who is really running the country. You hide the important guy, and put the dipsh*t out for everyone to aim thier bombs at.

THE WAR ON IRAQ:

There are Weapons of Mass Destruction in IRAQ (2003)

We can't fnd the weapons, but lets stick around and blow more sh*t up (2006).

IRAQ vs Vietnam - Same thing, same outcome WE PHUCKING LOST! When people get it through their thick skulls then we can move on.

I was watching CSPAN today and they asked a panel of 20 congressmen do they feel threatened by IRAN's nuclear capability 75% raised thier hands. When asked should we go to war,less than 30% raised theeir hands... and get this, they looked at their fellow congressman who were actually sitting their adjusting their shirts and ties as if to ignore the question or ask for it to be repeated.

When President Bsh was asked... He said if we need to we will. Bush reminds me of the little kid who likes to play cowboy and indians, and even though his team lost he stays out past suppertime to claim they are the true victors of the battle. Yet he is the only one screaming we won we won. Everyone else went home.

President Bush is great for entertainment, he reminds me of RAINMAN a lot, but I don't blame him I blame the cocaine he snorted in the 70's. I find this funny. We were ready to hang a pot smoker before letting him in the white house, but an admitted crackhead we open our arms and say come on in, and we hug him and pat him on the back when he does something stupid and keep repeating it's ok like he is some special ed student who just got rejected from playing in the SPECIAL OLYMPICS. WAKE THE HELL UP PEOPLE.

Our four fathers are rolling in their graves because America was a country built on the solid myth of mediocre doesn't cut it. Now stupid is accepted as quick as a food stamp in the ghetto. It is official PRES BUSH is proof you CAN lower the bar on acceptance standards.

Now see, I knew you had it in ya!


Bill "Bubba" Clinton and Jimmy "Peanut" Carter already proved that years ago :D

Give me a phucking break!! Dumya is the stupidest occupant the white house EVER seen!

erisi236
12-May-2006, 11:33 PM
Give me a phucking break!! Dumya is the stupidest occupant the white house EVER seen!

If you mean in the last 5 years, then ya sure, I'll agree with you :D

dmbfanintn
13-May-2006, 03:32 AM
If you mean in the last 5 years, then ya sure, I'll agree with you :D

EVER!!! As in ENTIRE history of our country!!

DjfunkmasterG
13-May-2006, 04:24 AM
Now see, I knew you had it in ya!



Thats was just the tip of the Iceberg. The forum has a character limit. I had to edit down to the essentials. it went on for 13,000 characters.

ipotts85
13-May-2006, 04:37 AM
1st off, does anyone know how communism starts? If you guessed listening into peoples private conversations, or prying into the personal lives of citizens then you guessed correctly. Give yourself a cookie.



unfortunately, you may want to google communism and actually learn what it is before you make a comment on it. communism is an economic and social ideology, not a government. it is a reaction to the exploitation of the laborer (the proletariat) by the wealthy class (the bourgeoisie), and has to do with the historic class struggle that characterizes capitalism. karl marx wrote several books and essay on this topic (including das capital, as well as the communist manifesto, with his partner engels).

totalitarian regimes that can develop out of supposed "communist" states (but since communism itself is economic, not a form of government, the methods of it's government are hardly a reflection of karl marx's original ideals) are not what you referred to as "communism". when marx wrote the communist manifesto, it was not a blueprint for a government. these totalitarian regimes are often a complete contradiction to wrote karl marx originally wrote...

there are no pure communist states in existent. many claim to be socialists, but are in reality complete contradictions to this idealogical system.

if you are going to argue AGAINST bush, citing communism is not a valid argument, since its ideals are fundamentally opposed to what a conservative republican stands for.

Danny
13-May-2006, 04:40 AM
somebody took social studies:D

ipotts85
13-May-2006, 04:45 AM
Just do not use the phone for terroristic activities...

or don't be a terrorist...


:)

in america, the constitution's fourth amendment protects from these sorts of privacy infringement. it is considered a basic right.

although i agree if one does not wish to be caught, one should not be engaging in illegal activity, the fact remains that our rights are our rights, and the only thing to protect us from government exploitation. it is a system of checks and balances, and when you strip away at one, it is a blow to ALL the civil liberties that we enjoy and take for granted in this country.

should our rights be compromised for this supposed "protection"?

(ps - where was this "protection" BEFORE september 11th?)


somebody took social studies:D

as a fellow critic of the current administration, i was just trying to help a brutha out...we should all be as educated as possible about it before we make an argument against it...

MKULTRA1138
13-May-2006, 04:49 AM
[


Give me a phucking break!! Dumya is the stupidest occupant the white house EVER seen![/QUOTE]

I definetly believe that this current administration will go down in American history as the worst to ever occupy the White House.

ipotts85
13-May-2006, 04:54 AM
I definately believe that this current administration will go down in American history as the worst to ever occupy the White House.

a recent article in rolling stone actually has an article saying the same thing!

a group of experts was polled and most agreed that this president will quite possibly be remembered as the worst...

erisi236
13-May-2006, 12:06 PM
in america, the constitution's fourth amendment protects from these sorts of privacy infringement. it is considered a basic right.


strange thing tho', on the terms of service you get with cell phones it says right in it that you shouldn't consider your conversations private, thats Verizon or Sprint telling you that, not the Government :eek:

ipotts85
13-May-2006, 03:25 PM
that doesn't make it right, does it?

DjfunkmasterG
13-May-2006, 03:47 PM
strange thing tho', on the terms of service you get with cell phones it says right in it that you shouldn't consider your conversations private, thats Verizon or Sprint telling you that, not the Government :eek:


When that statement was made it wasn't put there to let the customer know...

"Hey we are giving the Gov't everything about You"

It was there because of Cell Phone cloning issues, and the fact that Cell Phones are wave transmitted and anyone with a scanner could possibly pick it up.

This case is the companies blatantly handing over records to the Gov't about you, then the gov't listening in on your convo's. There statement wasn't meant to reflect their illegal practice of sharing your personal information. Hence why they are all now involved in class action lawsuits.