Fritzl - How sick/evil was this guy!

[Neil]

So not only did he keep his daughter in the cellar/dungeon for 24 years, while continually raping her. You even get stuff like this:-


Josef Fritzl's daughter Elisabeth gave birth to their first child alone in her underground prison with only a self-help pregnancy book, a pair of scissors and some nappies on the bed beside her.

She was left alone with the baby for 10 days before her rapist father bothered to visit her with fresh food and supplies for the baby girl, Kerstin, according to prosecution documents submitted to the court in St Poelten, Austria.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/joseffritzl/4999268/Josef-Fritzl-trial-Elisabeth-gave-birth-alone-and-afraid.html

[MinionZombie]

*shudders*

All kinds of effed up. :eek::(

[AcesandEights]

What can you really to say to that? You know, aside from it's utterly horrible and I hope they execute him. The specifics of his crimes are beyond comprehension for most of us and I fancy that such speaks well of us.

[Yojimbo]

What can you really to say to that? You know, aside from it's utterly horrible and I hope they execute him. The specifics of his crimes are beyond comprehension for most of us and I fancy that such speaks well of us.
Roger that.

This guy is a true monster, and should have his life taken from him on pure principle.

[Marie]

I agree he should be executed, the crime cries out for it, but the fact is, last time I looked there is no death penalty in the EU, and frankly, unless they prove he murdered the baby he'll walk in WAY less time then his daughter spent in the basement.

Welcome to the enlightend legal system:barf:

M_

[krakenslayer]

He'll walk in a minimum of fifteen years. However, I very much doubt (even if he is alive after that time in jail), that he will ever live a peaceful life again. Even if he is freed, he will always be recognised wherever he goes, everyone will know what he has done and he will always be watching his back.

Mark my words - he will end his days in helpless fear and loneliness, just as his victims spent theirs. A far more fitting fate for a power-mad lunatic like Fritzl than thirty seconds in the chair.

[SRP76]

Fuck that. It costs money to keep someone alive. Prove he's worth even one Mexican peso.

If not, crowbar across the head until dead, and body tossed in a dumpster. No cost.

[krakenslayer]

Fine, if his daughters want to take revenge on him then that's their business.

[Chic Freak]

I agree he should be executed, the crime cries out for it, but the fact is, last time I looked there is no death penalty in the EU, and frankly, unless they prove he murdered the baby he'll walk in WAY less time then his daughter spent in the basement.

Welcome to the enlightend legal system:barf:

I'm not down ewith the death penalty but I agree that the punishments for rape in the UK are a joke. It wasn't so long ago that all rapists here got was a slap on the wrist and a fine :eek:

[Yojimbo]

Here in the states, rape or incest alone is not a capital offense either.

Though, from what I have heard, rapists or child molesters are at a great risk of being "regulated" by their fellow inmates when they are incarcerated. Obviously, even hardcore felons find monsters like this guy to be repulsive.

I would not be surprised in the least that even those good folks who are against capital punishment wouldn't mind personally punching Fritzl in the face a couple of times just on principle. I know I certainly would not turn down the chance to kick this dude a few times in the stomach if given the opportunity.

[krakenslayer]

I would not be surprised in the least that even those good folks who are against capital punishment wouldn't mind personally punching Fritzl in the face a couple of times just on principle. I know I certainly would not turn down the chance to kick this dude a few times in the stomach if given the opportunity.

Oh absolutely! I mean, I don't believe in capital punishment, but it's not a matter of me feeling pity for him, it's just that I don't think the State and judicial systems can be trusted with the power over life and death of its citizens. Rest assured, if I was given half the chance I'd kick the living snot out of Fritzl personally.

[Yojimbo]

Oh absolutely! I mean, I don't believe in capital punishment, but it's not a matter of me feeling pity for him, it's just that I don't think the State and judicial systems can be trusted with the power over life and death of its citizens. Rest assured, if I was given half the chance I'd kick the living snot out of Fritzl personally.

I get where you are coming from, especially in light of all those cases recently where new technology and DNA evidence has exonerated folks that were convicted unfairly and spent decades in jail. Even as a proponent of capital punishment, the fact that the judicial system has convicted and imprisoned so many innocent people makes me take pause and is forcing me to reevaluate my position.

But, yeah, everyone - even vegans and buddhist monks - would love take a swing at Frizl if given the chance.

[Neil]

Guilty of other rapes and murders? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/joseffritzl/5013776/Josef-Fritzl-to-be-questioned-over-string-of-unsolved-murders.html

[MinionZombie]

Absolutely insane. Unbelievable.

Also what I still find astonishing, is that he was able to build that underground cellar where he enslaved his daughter and incestual children for 24 years - how on earth did he manage to build all that with nobody knowing?! How did he build it full stop, even. :eek::confused::eek:

[Neil]

Absolutely insane. Unbelievable.

Also what I still find astonishing, is that he was able to build that underground cellar where he enslaved his daughter and incestual children for 24 years - how on earth did he manage to build all that with nobody knowing?! How did he build it full stop, even. :eek::confused::eek:

This article seems to suggest he didn't excavate underground, instead he made use of already existing cellar areas? http://www.nowpublic.com/world/fritzl-may-have-planned-dungeon-1978-say-police

[MinionZombie]

This article seems to suggest he didn't excavate underground, instead he made use of already existing cellar areas? http://www.nowpublic.com/world/fritzl-may-have-planned-dungeon-1978-say-police
Geeeeez, it's like a bloody bunker or something. 8 locked doors, the last 3 requiring keypad codes - what the crap?! :eek:

[Neil]

Geeeeez, it's like a bloody bunker or something. 8 locked doors, the last 3 requiring keypad codes - what the crap?! :eek:

Would be interested to hear:-
1) How strong the actualy structure was? ie: If they'd tried (in the right places) could they have broken out?
2) Did they consider trying to escape when/while he entered?

[capncnut]

See the papers today?

Fritzl: "I'm sorry from bottom of my heart."

I didn't know dog shits had hearts...


How strong the actualy structure was? ie: If they'd tried (in the right places) could they have broken out?
I seem to recall a story where one of the kids escaped for a few minutes until ol' Fritzl caught him/her. It would've been a nigh on impossible mission though.

[MinionZombie]

2) Did they consider trying to escape when/while he entered?

I always wondered if they ever tried capturing him somehow - well, "they", really just her - not exactly great odds for them though. Anyway, capturing him and forcing him to let them go ... but no doubt this scumbag had thought of all such things and kept them all in fear of him.

Utterly ghastly. If it wasn't real, you'd think it was the plot to a horror movie.

[DjfunkmasterG]

The man is scum... Death is too good for him. He should be DRAWN and QUARTERED.

[Chic Freak]

I always wondered if they ever tried capturing him somehow - well, "they", really just her - not exactly great odds for them though. Anyway, capturing him and forcing him to let them go ... but no doubt this scumbag had thought of all such things and kept them all in fear of him.

Indeed... if I was her I'd want everyone to escape at once... I'd be scared to break out and leave my kids behind for any length of time in case he murdered/ cannibalised/ did god knows what else to them while I was away.

I guess it's impossible to really imagine how it feels to be locked in a cellar for years being raped by your father and having seven of his children though, so who knows what she was thinking :(

[MinionZombie]

Indeed, it's beyond comprehension.

I was quite surprised that the news were allowed to show the pictures of the three kids who were adopted by Fritzl "upstairs" - those three are incestual children, and therefore directly involved in this abject slab of horror.

How on earth any of them will be able to live the rest of their lives is beyond me. Absolutely beyond belief. :(