Curing gay people of gay-ness... wtf

[Chic Freak]

What's that you say? Homosexuality was removed from the Diagnostic & Statistical Manual over a decade ago? Well, why allow little things like scientific research, experimental evidence or indeed respect for your clients/ patients get in the way of imposing your prejudiced morals on vulnerable people who trust you?

*seethe*


Nearly a fifth of therapists admit having tried to 'cure' gay patients of their sexual orientation – even though there is no evidence their 'treatments' have any effect and despite the ethical questions posed.

The mental health professionals – most of whom work for the NHS – said they had gone further than simply counselling a young person on how to cope with homosexual feelings.

... Three-quarters of these workers said a medical service should be set up to carry out the 'treatment'.

One therapist told the researchers: 'Although homosexual feelings are usual in people, their physical expression and being a person's only way of having sexual relations is problematic.

'The physical act for male homosexuals is physically damaging and is the main reason in this country for AIDS/HIV. It is also perverse.'

Many of the therapists told researchers they had treated clients who felt they would 'lose God' or had been ostracised by their communities.

Prof Michael King, who led the study, said: 'There is very little evidence to show that attempting to treat a person's homosexual feelings is effective and, in fact, it can actually be harmful. So it is surprising that a significant minority of practitioners still offer this help to their clients.'

The Department of Health added: 'Homosexuality is not a mental disorder and does not need treatment.'

Link to full article (http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?Experts_still_try_%91cures%92_for_gay s&in_article_id=597433&in_page_id=34)- it was in the Metro.

[MikePizzoff]

What the fuck? FUBAR.

[Marie]

Two things are for sure in my experence, you can't "cure" homosexiality. and you can't pick it up if you aren't predisposed, no matter how much your significant other wants to watch you do it:p

M_

[strayrider]

These health care professionals need to do a better job of treating their patients needs, not passing this kind of judgment.

-stray-

[kortick]

some people are born gay

the rest are sucked into it.

[krakenslayer]

some people are born gay

the rest are sucked into it.

Is that a pun? If so, that's pretty funny. :lol:

[major jay]

and you can't pick it up if you aren't predisposed, no matter how much your significant other wants to watch you do it:p

M_

Everybody's got their price.

[Tricky]

People are indeed born gay,in order to cure it you'd have to rewrite their genetic code!and why would people want to be cured of it anyway?one of my best friends is gay & its just who he is,as far as im concerned he's just one of the lads regardless of his orientation!he doesnt make an issue of it either,he's not one of those who feels he has to bring it up in every conversation like some do which can get annoying

[AcesandEights]

and you can't pick it up if you aren't predisposed, no matter how much your significant other wants to watch you do it:p

M_

:lol: Gave me a good chuckle.

[blind2d]

Therapy for gays? What's next? Therapy for straights? What does sexual orientation have to do with how stable a person is? I don't get these people...

[krakenslayer]

One therapist told the researchers: 'Although homosexual feelings are usual in people, their physical expression and being a person's only way of having sexual relations is problematic.

'The physical act for male homosexuals is physically damaging and is the main reason in this country for AIDS/HIV. It is also perverse.'

If that mysterious, unnamed therapist actually exists, he or she is in the wrong profession.

[strayrider]

Therapy for gays? What's next? Therapy for straights? What does sexual orientation have to do with how stable a person is? I don't get these people...

Read the article again. The persons in question voluntarily sought therapy, it is the way they were treated that is at issue.

-stray-

[mista_mo]

dude, you forgot your smiley face. :(

[AcesandEights]

dude, you forgot your smiley face. :(

Yeah, Stray. Why so serious?

Wisdom with a smile, please :D

[darth los]

Therapy for gays? What's next? Therapy for straights? What does sexual orientation have to do with how stable a person is? I don't get these people...


These people not only sought help on their own, but I'm curious as to what was the original issue they went to get treated for in the first place?

Wouldn't it be crazy if the shrink just side tracked the whole session when they learned the patient was gay in order to treat it?

Shrink: So, how did scruffy dying when you were 8 make you feel?

patient: I haven't thought about it that much lately. My boyfriend consoles me when it does come up though.

Shrink: WTF, you're gay dude!?! :stunned: CODE BLUE DAMMIT !!



I can only imagine being socially ostracized just because of who I'm Attracted to. What a way to go through life , huh?





:cool:

[AcesandEights]

Shrink: WTF, you're gay dude!?! :stunned: CODE BLUE DAMMIT !!




:lol: To be fair, some gays and lesbians seek out therapy specifically to be 'cured', as odd as that may sound to some. It happens all the time and the church groups, the various mental health practitioners and the like that make people aware of such a path are not at all scant, not to mention family members who advise such an action.

It all comes down to one's own personal feelings on the matter, of course, and where the line is that people draw within themselves with regards to what thoughts and resultant behaviors they can live with. I would think a behavior that doesn't truly hurt others or one's self, would be something that people should try and come to terms with, as opposed to locking it away or trying to expunge it.

Surely a general tendency in society with suppressing behavior not dangerous to one's self or others is, in and of itself, rather dangerous, no?

[bassman]

Next thing you know they'll be trying a "clockwork orange" on them and making them watch straight porn.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/cultureshock/flashpoints/theater/images/clockwork_big.jpg

Then after they're rehabilitated they will throw up at the thought or sight of gay actions.:p

[darth los]

:lol: To be fair, some gays and lesbians seek out therapy specifically to be 'cured', as odd as that may sound to some. It happens all the time and the church groups, the various mental health practitioners and the like that make people aware of such a path are not at all scant, not to mention family members who advise such an action.

It all comes down to one's own personal feelings on the matter, of course, and where the line is that people draw within themselves with regards to what thoughts and resultant behaviors they can live with. I would think a behavior that doesn't truly hurt others or one's self, would be something that people should try and come to terms with, as opposed to locking it away or trying to expunge it.

Surely a general tendency in society with suppressing behavior not dangerous to one's self or others is, in and of itself, rather dangerous, no?


So, true.

My bigger point was that what must they be going through mentally in order to determine that this is such a severe ailment that they must seek help in "curing" it.

And let me tell you this, when entire groups of people are denied constitutionally protected rights as they are it's society that needs therapy, not them.

Unfortunately, virtually every group that are not caucasian males have had to struggle for equality in this country including women and minorities which still continue until this very day.





:cool:

[krakenslayer]

Next thing you know they'll be trying a "clockwork orange" on them and making them watch straight porn.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/cultureshock/flashpoints/theater/images/clockwork_big.jpg

Then after they're rehabilitated they will throw up at the thought or sight of gay actions.:p

Or make them watch gay porn while drip-feeding them nausea-inducing drugs. :confused:

[bassman]

Or make them watch gay porn while drip-feeding them nausea-inducing drugs. :confused:

:annoyed:

You are right, sir. That was before my coffee and I got it all backwards.:D

[krakenslayer]

:annoyed:

You are right, sir. That was before my coffee and I got it all backwards.:D

Or make them watch straight porn and drip-feed them viagara... :thumbsup:

[Chic Freak]

It's certainly not unheard of- at all- for gay people to employ a therapist to "straightify" themselves (or whatever the technical term is. Ha!) but it is the therapist's responisbility to tell them, at least, the technically accurate truth: that homosexuality is not recognised as an illness and therefore cannot be treated with medicine, surgery, talking cures or a combination thereof.

And it is indeed a poor reflection on society as a whole that apparently such a large number of people are so miserable about being gay that they would consider doing this.

[blind2d]

I feel very guilty sometimes being a male caucasian hetero living in the States... but I realize this was how God wanted me to be, so I just do my best to be supportive and kind towards others, no matter their persuasions or ideologies. It's the Christian way. That said, this is merely one of the many things that make life so complicated, interesting, and sad. Sorry about my first post, also. I don't feel that it added anything or even made sense. I was half-asleep, you see. Now where's my rabbit puppet?

[clanglee]

Why bother with therapists, all they have to do is "pray the gay away!"

:rolleyes:

[AcesandEights]

Why bother with therapists, all they have to do is "pray the gay away!"

:rolleyes:

Good point, Clang. Praying did help me get that Death Star playset (http://photos.sirstevesguide.com/showphoto.php?photo=8976&cat=3383) that Christmas back in '78.

Damn, maybe I should pray for some more boss stuff. :)

[clanglee]

Good point, Clang. Praying did help me get that Death Star playset (http://photos.sirstevesguide.com/showphoto.php?photo=8976&cat=3383) that Christmas back in '78.

Damn, maybe I should pray for some more boss stuff. :)

:lol:

Put a prayer or two in for me as well. It's hard to ask God for stuff when you are a fallen Catholic semi agnostic.

[MoonSylver]

:lol:

Put a prayer or two in for me as well. It's hard to ask God for stuff when you are a fallen Catholic semi agnostic.

Depends on which one you pray to.....:lol:

*EDIT*

For example, take this guy for example:

https://www.tropicaltikis.com/catalog/images/40099_l.jpg

He's a tikki of the Hawaiian god of money. Get this lil' bugger on your side & is fat city bra! (Unless your name is Bobby Brady, then yer fooked) ;)

[AcesandEights]

Depends on which one you pray to.....:lol:

*EDIT*

For example, take this guy for example:

https://www.tropicaltikis.com/catalog/images/40099_l.jpg

He's a tikki of the Hawaiian god of money. Get this lil' bugger on your side & is fat city bra! (Unless your name is Bobby Brady, then yer fooked) ;)

Sure, but a lot of the tikkis look alike and if you get the wrong one you're hitting your head on the reef and losing that surfing competition. ;)

[SymphonicX]

Two things are for sure in my experence, you can't "cure" homosexiality. and you can't pick it up if you aren't predisposed, no matter how much your significant other wants to watch you do it:p

M_

lol...I been beating that horse for years, now I know why!

hahaha

[kortick]

well a lot of gay people go to therapy
to help them deal with the way
they are treated by some for being gay.
suicide in gay teens is high. plus a
kid i know got thrown out
of his house by his parents when
they found he was gay and
was living in his car until some
friends went and found him and
gave him a place to stay.

I dont beleive homosexuality belongs in the DSM.
It is a hardwired
thing just like your eye color and hair color.
Same as being heterosexual.

What annoys me is that
pedophilia IS listed in the DSM. That is not
a mental condition, it is a perversion.
Putting it in the DSM allows lawyers to
get child molesters into hospitals and
on depro-provera instead of in jail
where they belong. It makes sex with minors,
even small children a 'disease',
to be treated and not punished.

The NAMBLA people say they are defending a childs right.
they say: "Where is a child rights to be
able to say no if they cant say yes?"

Homosexuality like Heterosexuality between
2 consenting adults is no
ones business but the people involved.

[Chic Freak]

https://www.tropicaltikis.com/catalog/images/40099_l.jpg

Is he supposed to look like a crying baby? :confused:


The NAMBLA people say they are defending a childs right.
they say: "Where is a child rights to be
able to say no if they cant say yes?"

Huh, what? Who are NAMBLA and what are they on about? Please explain :)

[krakenslayer]

Huh, what? Who are NAMBLA and what are they on about? Please explain :)

North American Man-Boy Love Association: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nambla

[Chic Freak]

North American Man-Boy Love Association: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nambla

a "support group for intergenerational relationships"?! Now I've heard it all.

Nothing wrong with having an age gap in a relationship guys but at least wait until they're 16 :barf:

[krakenslayer]

What annoys me is that
pedophilia IS listed in the DSM. That is not
a mental condition, it is a perversion.
Putting it in the DSM allows lawyers to
get child molesters into hospitals and
on depro-provera instead of in jail
where they belong. It makes sex with minors,
even small children a 'disease',
to be treated and not punished.


I find the idea of anyone trying to have sex with children disgusting and tragic (for the victim), HOWEVER thanks to the media's attempt to sell papers by stirring up salacious controversy, a lot of people are unaware that "paedophile" and "child molester" are, legally and psychologically, not always the same thing.

In psychology word paedophilia does not refer to the ACT of having sex with children, it refers to the unnatural URGE to do so. Just because a person has these thoughts does not mean they will necessarily be willing to rape a child. In fact, studies by the likes of Alfred Kinsey show the vast majority of people who suffer from these urges are just as disgusted by them as we are and would never act upon them. Only paedophiles who have an inability to control their sexual appetites, or are otherwise psychotic, actually go on to molest children.

Of course, people who molest children should go to prison for a long, long time and get bum raped by a butch biker gang while they're in there. But I would argue that paedophilia, along with any other compulsive perversion that is potentially damaging to the individual or others, is a psychiatric illness and should not be treated any differently to, say, schizophrenia.

Here's why: if you treat it purely as a criminal thing based entirely upon whether or not a person has actually attacked a kid, then what about the people who are struggling to contain those urges? They're going to be too scared and/or unable to come forward to a doctor and get psychiatric help to prevent them acting on it. So what happens if, without help, it escalates to the point where they can't stop themselves? Then you end up with another child molester and more traumatized children, a situation which could have been avoided if only psychological treatment was available.

[darth los]

And it is indeed a poor reflection on society as a whole that apparently such a large number of people are so miserable about being gay that they would consider doing this.


That happens all the time in our society. People have to fit into the box of what the popular perception SAYS is acceptable.

Many women, for example, are made to feel less than beautiful because they don't look like what the fashionistas say is beautiful. As a resullt, they spend their entire lives trying to "improve" themselves.

That's why self esteem is so important. It's not so much a conciet issue as just knowing who and what you are is no matter what anyone says or thinks.





:cool:

[kortick]

No. I am not saying that people who
have fantasys about sex with children should
be put in jail.

I am saying that when they ACT on those urges
and cross the line from thinking it to doing it
then the fact that pedophilia is listed as a
mental illness should not be a reason for them to
escape legal punishment.

But this just is in reference to homosexuality not
being a mental condition that can be cured.
No more than one could 'cure' a heterosexual
into being homosexual.

[krakenslayer]

No. I am not saying that people who
have fantasys about sex with children should
be put in jail.

I am saying that when they ACT on those urges
and cross the line from thinking it to doing it
then the fact that pedophilia is listed as a
mental illness should not be a reason for them to
escape legal punishment.

But this just is in reference to homosexuality not
being a mental condition that can be cured.
No more than one could 'cure' a heterosexual
into being homosexual.

Oh, in that case, I totally agree.

[strayrider]

dude, you forgot your smiley face. :(


Yeah, Stray. Why so serious?

Wisdom with a smile, please :D

I was trying to be a compassionate, caring right-wing nut-job.

ddtPPvEqv7I

:D

-stray-