Metropolitan Police - Oh dear, not good! [Archive]

_liam_

08-Apr-2009, 01:32 PM

Aye they were being bastards.

The trouble is the anarchist contingent look & seem like trouble (they really aren't, they're all nerds), so it's easy for the Police to batter them & for people to just presume they deserved it.

Something like this shows that the Police do get a bit out of order sometimes, an innocent person being arbitrarily mistreated shows that once they are in the zone, some Police just switch off common sense & stop treating people like people.

I popped down there briefly, and many friends of mine were present, and I have to say I was underwhelmed by how BORING the whole shebang was. No screaming, petrol bombs or anarchy, just peopel standing around eating sandwiches & giving out leaflets.

2 seconds later... everyone at climate camp (willowy art students) gets battered. A mate of mine who is as camp as Christmas gets batoned. Why? What possible threat could that guy have posed? It's just big boys with toys getting carried away because they know they can

From what i understand the guy had nothing to do with the protests either & was just in the area at the time!i know it probably sounds totally wrong to say this, but if he had been coloured this would be getting blown up even more than it is currently

Well it's a bit of an odd thing to say, seemingly arbitrary use of a tragedy to convey your displeasure with political correctness. But yeah I agree, probably would have been more of a big deal - if only because the Met is a pretty racist organisation & they probably would have cut his head off :lol:

edit - I used the word arbitrary twice in there, it's because I discovered today I can't say it without my teeth whistling, it's now my new word or anything lol

strayrider

08-Apr-2009, 03:15 PM

I don't know about you, but if I found myself in front of a line of advancing riot police, I'd be getting the heck out of the way ... quickly. Unless I wanted some kind of confrontation with them.

Was this guy drunk, or what?

:stunned:

-stray-

Tricky

08-Apr-2009, 04:25 PM

Aye they were being bastards.

Well it's a bit of an odd thing to say, seemingly arbitrary use of a tragedy to convey your displeasure with political correctness. But yeah I agree, probably would have been more of a big deal - if only because the Met is a pretty racist organisation & they probably would have cut his head off :lol:

Yeah, i dont mean to sound racist myself by saying that but its true that there would have been a "stephen lawrence" style backlash on this if the guy had been coloured,while as it stands although its still a tragedy it will likely be forgotten by the media in a month or two.

A friend of mine is a copper & he tells me regularly how chavs & saturday night idiots are, how we say, "sorted out" in the cells for "resisting arrest" using "reasonable force" :shifty::p
We expect police to be upstanding goody goody characters, but they arent always angels,and some of them are hardcases with a temper! Still not an excuse for what the copper in this case did though!

mista_mo

08-Apr-2009, 04:34 PM

Seems the individual who died of a heart attack at the G20 protest was assaulted by police officers... Not good!

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/half-life/en/images/c/cb/Metrocop_blue_eyes.jpg

He didn't pick up the can.

Chic Freak

08-Apr-2009, 05:16 PM

Yeah, i dont mean to sound racist myself by saying that but its true that there would have been a "stephen lawrence" style backlash on this if the guy had been coloured,while as it stands although its still a tragedy it will likely be forgotten by the media in a month or two.

The media was justified in publicly crucifying the Met for their mishandling of the Stephen Lawrence case, the way they deliberately failed to give a shit about the boy and his family because they were black was utterly vile.

Yojimbo

08-Apr-2009, 10:00 PM

Reminds me of the LAPD's over reaction at an immigration protest in MacArthur Park, Los Angeles in 2007. They shot non-lethal projectiles, beat attendees, including some press, with batons, etc, eventually resulting in charges against the police and lawsuits, some of which were recently settled for high amounts of cash.

I realize that cops have a difficult job, and I respect them, however since they have the ability to respond with violence and deadly force they really should not be allowed to go overboard, as they clearly did in the UK with this guy. Hitting him from behind and knocking him down to the ground when he was doing nothing at all is unforgivable and unecessary.

SRP76

09-Apr-2009, 12:36 AM

Am I the only one that thinks there's something wrong here?

Dude makes a deliberate effort to ignore the swat across the legs, waiting specifically for the shove. Which comes as the "pusher" looks directly into the camera (as all the other "officers" do at sporadic times during the "death march"). The "pusher" looks to the audience again as the dude falls, then runs off. As nobody reacts to the incident, except for the 3,4,...lost count...photographers that just happen to be placed in the perfect position to catch this.

Seems like something Vince McMahon would be in on.

strayrider

09-Apr-2009, 02:17 AM

knocking him down to the ground when he was doing nothing at all

That seems to me to be the problem. He was in the middle of a formation of riot cops, with dogs nipping at his heels, and he was just doddering along. To me he looks like he's wasted.

Am I the only one that thinks there's something wrong here?

Dude makes a deliberate effort to ignore the swat across the legs, waiting specifically for the shove. Which comes as the "pusher" looks directly into the camera (as all the other "officers" do at sporadic times during the "death march"). The "pusher" looks to the audience again as the dude falls, then runs off. As nobody reacts to the incident, except for the 3,4,...lost count...photographers that just happen to be placed in the perfect position to catch this.

Seems like something Vince McMahon would be in on.

A bit more info.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6062637.ece

Years of heavy drinking had taken their toll and he walked slowly. A friend who saw him that night said: “He was the king of the hill — King of Fish Hill.”

This explains quite a bit.

Though I personally did not see anything remotely approaching police brutality, maybe I missed something. I mean really, all the cop did was shove a drunkard that was impeding their operation. It is not the cop's fault that this guy (heavy drinker, father of nine, living in a hostel, model citizen) was too drunk to maintain his balance. Thomlinson was a heart attack waiting to happen.

Damn shame that that officer might now be held responsible for the death of a lush. The cop didn't kill Thomlinson. Thomlinson killed Thomlinson.

:|

-stray-

Neil

09-Apr-2009, 09:38 AM

That seems to me to be the problem. He was in the middle of a formation of riot cops, with dogs nipping at his heels, and he was just doddering along. To me he looks like he's wasted.

A bit more info.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6062637.ece

Years of heavy drinking had taken their toll and he walked slowly. A friend who saw him that night said: “He was the king of the hill — King of Fish Hill.”

This explains quite a bit.

Though I personally did not see anything remotely approaching police brutality, maybe I missed something. I mean really, all the cop did was shove a drunkard that was impeding their operation. It is not the cop's fault that this guy (heavy drinker, father of nine, living in a hostel, model citizen) was too drunk to maintain his balance. Thomlinson was a heart attack waiting to happen.

Damn shame that that officer might now be held responsible for the death of a lush. The cop didn't kill Thomlinson. Thomlinson killed Thomlinson.

:|

-stray-

Really now... You're suggesting if he'd been a nobel prize winner your analysis of his treatment might have been different?

The principle at hand here is a guy, doing no harm to anyone, trying to simply get from A to B, was for no reason assaulted by the police... Doesn't matter if he's a prince or a pauper...

His death is not the main issue, it's the needless assault.

MinionZombie

09-Apr-2009, 10:48 AM

Really now... You're suggesting if he'd been a nobel prize winner your analysis of his treatment might have been different?

The principle at hand here is a guy, doing no harm to anyone, trying to simply get from A to B, was for no reason assaulted by the police... Doesn't matter if he's a prince or a pauper...

His death is not the main issue, it's the needless assault.
And if he's in their way - how about moving around him. Or guiding him out of the way like a normal person - NOT hitting him and pushing him down.

The booze explains a lot, but it's not in the least bit an excuse for the copper doing what he did. Absolutely nonsensical! :eek:

blind2d

09-Apr-2009, 11:20 AM

Weird the things people get riled up over. I mean, he was close to death's door anyway. Wow, I'm a compassionate person. But seriously, what the cop did was wrong, but so was what the guy did (being an alcoholic or whatever). People die every day in the street. Does it really matter? Why are we having such a discussion? Sorry, but I don't really see the importance of this story. We all know that sometimes the police aren't as friendly or competent as we'd like, and like I said death isn't something new. I feel sorry for his kids, though.

MinionZombie

09-Apr-2009, 12:24 PM

Regardless of whether he was an alcoholic or not, there's absolutely NO REASON for the copper in question to hit him and then push him to the ground. Absolutely NO REASON whatsoever - THAT is what's being discussed.

Neil

09-Apr-2009, 01:37 PM

^^ what he said!

Tricky

09-Apr-2009, 04:21 PM

blind2d

10-Apr-2009, 02:59 AM

strayrider

10-Apr-2009, 05:43 AM

Really now... You're suggesting if he'd been a nobel prize winner your analysis of his treatment might have been different?

Er, I suggested nothing of the sort. Though I do imagine there might be a Nobel or two who need a thump on the noggin to set their thinking straight. :D

The principle at hand here is a guy, doing no harm to anyone, trying to simply get from A to B, was for no reason assaulted by the police. His death is not the main issue, it's the needless assault.

I guess it is simply differing points of view.

You see a "needless assault", I see a cop issuing a physical "move along" while advancing into an area where 4 officers had just been accosted by a group of 20-25 protesters. Tensions were obliviously high.

Neil, if this vid showed Thomlinson simply walking down a peaceful street and suddenly being pounced on by the police, my opinion would be quite different.

Now, hows about those 20-25 protesters who got the cops riled up in the first place? Shouldn't they also be investigated as accessories in Thomlinson's death? If they weren't there instigating trouble to begin with, none of this would have happened.

Thomlinson: wrong place, wrong time. Maybe he should have read one of those newspapers he sold and realized beforehand that he could be walking into a hot spot.

-stray-

ps -- after viewing the video several times I do kinda feel sorry for the guy. :(

_liam_

10-Apr-2009, 02:22 PM

Nah seriously, the police have been very unsound to a lot of people in the past week, it's not just trouble makers who were getting battered. I can see the skyscrapers on the Isle of Dogs from the end of my street, trust me ;)

Tricky

10-Apr-2009, 03:54 PM

Yeah. They're dead, they don't care. Dead bodies, unless they're walking around, are harmless forms of biological waste. Funerals are creepy, it's like putting a shiny pink bow on a pile of crap. Living people are the only people.

strange view you have on these things dude,especially with that dawn quote in your sig....:confused:

Yojimbo

10-Apr-2009, 07:45 PM

Yeah. They're dead, they don't care. Dead bodies, unless they're walking around, are harmless forms of biological waste. Funerals are creepy, it's like putting a shiny pink bow on a pile of crap. Living people are the only people.

"A shiny pink bow on a pile of crap"???????

I beg to differ.

My profession and the numerous families that have suffered a loss of loved one and have found solace from their pain through the ritual of a funeral or memorial service would dispute your claim.

In the words of Gladstone:

"Show me the way a nation cares for its dead, and I will measure for you with mathematical exactness the tender mercies of its people, their respect for the laws of their land, and their loyalty to high ideals"

Either you are joking around in your post, or you are a person with a lack of compassion for others, and a lack of respect for the dignity of life and the reality of your own mortality.

People die every day in the street. Does it really matter?

Yes sir. It certainly does matter.

SRP76

10-Apr-2009, 10:10 PM

Either you are joking around in your post, or you are a person with a lack of compassion for others, and a lack of respect for the dignity of life and the reality of your own mortality.

I don't care about body disposal, either. Once I'm dead, I'm just a lump of meat. I plan on having my family cut my body up and hide me with the household trash once a week, a little at a time.

Why pay the undertaker thousands of dollars? My people can say a few words out in the backyard, then break out the Hefty Cinch-Saks.

Yojimbo

10-Apr-2009, 10:38 PM

I don't care about body disposal, either. Once I'm dead, I'm just a lump of meat. I plan on having my family cut my body up and hide me with the household trash once a week, a little at a time.

Why pay the undertaker thousands of dollars? My people can say a few words out in the backyard, then break out the Hefty Cinch-Saks.

Difference is, you are talking about your own funeral, or lack thereof. I too don't want my family to spend a ridiculous amount of money on a ceremony for me when I pass- though I expect that funerals being for the living and all, they will do whatever they feel like doing to comfort themselves.

SRP, After reading so many of your posts, I think I know enough about you to guess that if someone died in front of you that you would not treat his or her remains as a pile of crap to be stepped over and consider the dead person due no more respect than if his or her body was an actual pile of crap.

SRP76

10-Apr-2009, 11:04 PM

SRP, After reading so many of your posts, I think I know enough about you to guess that if someone died in front of you that you would not treat his or her remains as a pile of crap to be stepped over and consider the dead person due no more respect than if his or her body was an actual pile of crap.

Depends on the situation. If it's an emergency situation, well, sorry about your luck, dead guy. But if I just happened upon a dead body someplace, I'd call emergency services and report the body so they can come pick it up; I wouldn't just leave it there and pretend I didn't see it.

And, accuse me of watching too many movies if you want, but I would keep a decent distance and a sharp eye on it, in case it gets up.

Yojimbo

10-Apr-2009, 11:12 PM

And, accuse me of watching too many movies if you want, but I would keep a decent distance and a sharp eye on it, in case it gets up.
:lol: Me too, brother.:lol:

blind2d

11-Apr-2009, 03:46 AM

Three words: "I. Was. Drunk!" Okay? What I don't understand is why you guys are actually thinking about and responding to my intoxicated ramblings! I'm sorry, okay, you happy? Geez! This is how I deal with uncomfortable topics like this. I put in some cynicism mixed with humor. Sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings or came off like a douche. I also notice that no one has yet volunteered to hold me. You're calling me not compassionate?

Yojimbo

11-Apr-2009, 03:56 AM

Three words: "I. Was. Drunk!"
I've been there, and have said things that I later regretted while toasted. Which is why I do my best not to put in writing - especially in a forum - thoughts that I have when I am drunk.

Mike70

11-Apr-2009, 04:00 AM

:lol: Me too, brother.:lol:

tell us the truth steve, you have a handgun with you under that suit everyday at work don't you, just in case?

Yojimbo

11-Apr-2009, 04:01 AM

What I don't understand is why you guys are actually thinking about and responding to my intoxicated ramblings!

This is because no one realized that you were drunk - and how could they - which leads me to my question to you: what makes you think that anyone would know you were drunk when you made your post? My advice is, if you want people to know you are drunk when you are posting, maybe you should include that info at the beginning of the post so that people will know to either ignore or not take seriously that which you are posting.

Sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings or came off like a douche.

Dude, what you said had no impact on my feelings. I just did not agree with your statements and found them to be quite incompassionate, but it's your right to feel that way if you want. But I'm not going to hold you - sorry if that comes off as not compassionate, but it is just the way it is. Peace brother.

tell us the truth steve, you have a handgun with you under that suit everyday at work don't you, just in case?
A good funeral director is always prepared. ;)

No gun, though I do have a vial of holy water and a silver crucifix. So if it's vampires and not zombies I should be well covered.

strayrider

11-Apr-2009, 05:31 AM

But I'm not going to hold you - sorry if that comes off as not compassionate, but it is just the way it is.

Aw, c'mon, hold him. Men have feelings too. No one will ask ... no one will tell. :D

No gun, though I do have a vial of holy water and a silver crucifix. So if it's vampires and not zombies I should be well covered.

Don't forget a bandoleer of wooden throwing knives.

http://scoop.diamondgalleries.com/public/news_images/4/48317_104958_6.jpg

:lol:

blind2d

11-Apr-2009, 05:53 PM

Blade is awesome. That is so cool. I like men and women. In fact, it's really hard, but I try to love everyone. It's the Christian way. Also not killing and trying not to sin in other ways. The killing one is probably one of the worst, right? Unless it's a vampyr. Or satyr.

Yojimbo

12-Apr-2009, 02:14 AM

Well this is getting kind of abstract, but ok.

Dtothe3

13-Apr-2009, 01:17 PM

Everyone seems surprised at the polices' conduct. I mean how many cases like this do we need before we understand that any institution, used to set and implement the law, will shortly consider itself above said law?

The Police should be accountable to their conduct. They are clearly not.

If I had struck a protestor then pushed him to the ground, he then died of his injuries. I would be in a serious amount of trouble. Aggrevated Assualt, ABH, manslaughter.

Currently the IPCC are suggesting they may follow up with a criminal investigation. What will happen is if it somehow makes it to court, a series of senior officers will be brought out the woodwork to tell the court how great an officer this man is. They will say it was a misjudgement, the man was in the wrong place at the wrong time, what was he doing in the middle of a riot anyway? Not to mention he was drunk (which clearly means he was sub-human, as if you are not a productive member of society you deserve no rights whatsoever).

It kind of disappoints me that some members of this forum seem to think this mans life had less value because he had a drinking problem. If you give anyone the right environmentional conditions, they will do/become anything.

Show me an institution who are meant to protect us, and I'll show you a double-edged sword, a broken promise.

blind2d

13-Apr-2009, 10:35 PM

Aw.... although your words are true, you have seriously put a damp towel in the washing machine of my day. Can we change the subject? Maybe talk about some good things we've heard about the police or something?

Neil

14-Apr-2009, 08:58 AM

It kind of disappoints me that some members of this forum seem to think this mans life had less value because he had a drinking problem.
Indeed... The Germans once had this thing going on that some people lives were not worth as much as others - and that didn't work out so well!

SymphonicX

14-Apr-2009, 12:23 PM

my mum, my uncles, my dad, my girlfriend's mum all had drinking problems....

All I can say is....

Walk straight for the final solution.

Yojimbo

14-Apr-2009, 06:46 PM

In the USA, a dude who is intoxicated in public but just walking slowly down the sidewalk and not causing a disturbance and not posing a risk to himself or others might or might not be subject to arrest (depending on the officer) but under no circumstances are the police allowed to rough up the intoxicated individual (like hitting him with a baton, or shoving him to the floor) unless he is resisting arrest or is combative. I am not sure if folks who are drunk in public in the UK get treated differently by the cops there than in the USA, and maybe it is true that the cops were trying to get this guy out of their way, but their method of doing so seemed excessive to me.

The idea that this guy deserved to be struck and then shoved to the floor simply because he had been impeding the officer's progress has been expressed here, but my interpretation of what happened on the video (just my opinion) is that the officer's used too much force to accomplish their goal of moving this guy out of the way.

krakenslayer

14-Apr-2009, 07:22 PM

. I am not sure if folks who are drunk in public in the UK get treated differently by the cops there than in the USA...

Yeah, the cops here will never arrest anyone purely for drunkenness, only if the intoxicated person is abusive or causing a breach of the peace (i.e. shouting and swearing, urinating/passing out in the street, etc.) do they run the risk of a night in the cells. I have seen people picked up who weren't causing any trouble but were barely able to walk with drink, but only to get them off the street to stop them hurting themselves or others, and not actually arrested.

strayrider

15-Apr-2009, 01:54 AM

The idea that this guy deserved to be struck and then shoved to the floor simply because he had been impeding the officer's progress has been expressed here, but my interpretation of what happened on the video (just my opinion) is that the officer's used too much force to accomplish their goal of moving this guy out of the way.

Ever seen Chicago police in action?

:D

-stray-

mista_mo

15-Apr-2009, 06:05 PM

I'm surprised no one has cried out 'fuck da police, dey du nuffin cept cuase us al prolems!!!11!1!1!'

Chic Freak

16-Apr-2009, 10:50 AM

I am not sure if folks who are drunk in public in the UK get treated differently by the cops there than in the USA, and maybe it is true that the cops were trying to get this guy out of their way, but their method of doing so seemed excessive to me.

Technically speaking you can't get arrested purely for being drunk here, you have to be "drunk and disorderly," although being "disorderly" can include using swear words or even patting a police officer on the back, if they want to arrest you!

LoSTBoY

16-Apr-2009, 11:14 AM

From what I saw of the clip, he did look a bit drunk but he was plodding along with his hands in his pockets, going in the direction the police wanted him to go.

There is mention of the police advancing so they were trying to push him along but the fellow who assaulted him had to walk back behind his colleagues who were staying were they were.

There is a reason he was wearing a mask.....

Anyway, there has been another complaint.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7998976.stm

Tricky

16-Apr-2009, 11:30 AM

Something that was rightly pointed out in the papers today,there is a huge fuss being kicked up over this,and that other incident where the policeman slaps that woman & i do agree, however why was nothing said about the conduct of the police during the countryside march a couple of years back in which they battered a lot of people senseless during which was a largely peaceful protest by farmers & country folk!
Ignore the fact this article is from the daily mail & stick to the issue because they have a point. Ive been on these countryside marches & seen this first hand ( im a country lad, not a "toff")
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1170404/ROBERT-HARDMAN-Why-Left-silent-riot-squads-inflicted-terrible-injuries-peaceful-country-folk-2004.html :mad:

SRP76

16-Apr-2009, 04:17 PM

I'm surprised no one has cried out 'fuck da police, dey du nuffin cept cuase us al prolems!!!11!1!1!'

Here you go:

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EvilNed

16-Apr-2009, 04:28 PM

strayrider

16-Apr-2009, 04:54 PM

Or unless you knew you had a heart condition and had to take it calm and easy...

In which case I would stay away from "exciting" events.

;)

-stray-

MinionZombie

16-Apr-2009, 05:37 PM

why was nothing said about the conduct of the police during the countryside march a couple of years back in which they battered a lot of people senseless during which was a largely peaceful protest by farmers & country folk!

Class war dude, simple as. Pathetic.

...

There's been an interesting shift - far from huge, mind you - since that utter scumbag Damian McBride (can you believe he's in his mid 30's?!?! :eek:) got shafted - that the media (and especially MPs who've suffered at the hands of McBride) either coming forward to speak freely, or looking to discuss the issues in a more free manner.

It definitely feels different, not sure if it's just me or not, but there has been a change now that McBride is out on his arse - mind you, there's still plenty of bias getting slung around, still plenty of pissing contests going on, and still a hugely silly 24 hour news culture in this country (just watch Charlie Brooker's Newswipe to see what I mean).

Anyway, where was I? Indeed - over the years the news has become more and more selective and salacious - focussing on violence instead of debate, and picking one major story to beat to death, rather than providing a balanced and wide-ranging view of all sorts of news occurring. The world doesn't stop spinning because a kid has gone missing, or because an MP fell over or something - by all means report it - but don't go on and on and on and on about it filling the airwaves with pointless talk about nothing happening all day long - cover all sorts of news that's going on, and spread it out more too.

So - speaking of the selective nature of the news - there you go. They're focussing on violence this time, whereas back then they were probably focussing on the class war elements (pointless and pathetic war of jealousy, condescention and spite, quite frankly) ... ... actually, Tony Benn made a good point (as referenced on Newswipe last night), why weren't the news agencies covering the speeches being made by the various protest leaders?

We got bugger all of that, we basially have no idea about what happened except that some morons bashed a window in, a bunch of bad eggs ruined the whole thing, and anti-capitalists are wankers who scrawl bollocks like "money is for loozers" on the Bank of England, such people being up-and-down-and-all-over hypocrites, quite frankly.

And if you truly don't like it, sod off to North Korea. :D

*sigh*

Rant over. :p

EvilNed

16-Apr-2009, 07:57 PM

In which case I would stay away from "exciting" events.

;)

-stray-

Well, there are a number of instances of why he could have gotten there. First off, he probably wanted to check it out, but when he got in the hot zone he probably realized his heart started beating. So he tried to take it calm.

And by the way, have you seen the video? If you can accept THAT as acceptable police behavior, then I pray to the non-existant god that you never become a chief of police!

Yojimbo

16-Apr-2009, 08:27 PM

If you can accept THAT as acceptable police behavior, then I pray to the non-existant god that you never become a chief of police!
I can tell you that based on LAPD standards, this would have been a bozo no-no. As I previously mentioned, the city has recently paid out large cash settlements to claimants for exactly this sort of overreaction.

MinionZombie

17-Apr-2009, 11:19 AM

Well, there are a number of instances of why he could have gotten there. First off, he probably wanted to check it out, but when he got in the hot zone he probably realized his heart started beating. So he tried to take it calm.

And by the way, have you seen the video? If you can accept THAT as acceptable police behavior, then I pray to the non-existant god that you never become a chief of police!
If memory serves, he was walking home from work (a newspaper salesman at a stand), but found his route blocked once or twice, so was trying to find his way back home - during his attempt to find his way around the chaos, he was assaulted by that copper for no good reason, and then died.

strayrider

18-Apr-2009, 07:02 AM

Well, there are a number of instances of why he could have gotten there. First off, he probably wanted to check it out, but when he got in the hot zone he probably realized his heart started beating. So he tried to take it calm.

One of the articles did say he was a sports fan. Perhaps he was hoping to see a brawl, or two?

And by the way, have you seen the video? If you can accept THAT as acceptable police behavior, then I pray to the non-existant god that you never become a chief of police!

Yes, I did see the video. Pretty mild bit of "brutality" there, compared to:

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Or this:

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Also:

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Or:

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I consider all of the above vids to be excessive use of force by police against citizens, however, I do not consider EVERY police action to be so. I've already stated my opinion of the Thomlinson vid and will not do so again.

:eek:

-stray-

ps -- (BTW, Ned, I have no desire to become "Chief of Police", anywhere, at any time.)

Yojimbo

20-Apr-2009, 06:47 PM

One of the articles did say he was a sports fan. Perhaps he was hoping to see a brawl, or two?

Yes, I did see the video. Pretty mild bit of "brutality" there, compared to:

zu7cMuO4rOE

Or this:

Gu-TZSquyc8

Also:

DfOaSmoeNLQ

Or:

QCdedc5NYas

I consider all of the above vids to be excessive use of force by police against citizens, however, I do not consider EVERY police action to be so. I've already stated my opinion of the Thomlinson vid and will not do so again.

:eek:

-stray-

ps -- (BTW, Ned, I have no desire to become "Chief of Police", anywhere, at any time.)
Might be mild in comparison to the beatings you have shown, but still an example of excessive force all the same.

But I agree that not every police action is an incident of excessive force. Sometimes the police - who have a very difficult job - have to get rough in order to get their job done.