Inglorious Basterds

[EvilNed]

Okay, I kinda feel as if I'm done with Quentin Tarantino. The Kill Bill films weren't that great, and Grindhouse was a pretty big disappointment for me. Am I the only one who is not the least bit interested in what he's up to these days?

[MoonSylver]

I'm a bit *meh*. Loved Reservoir Dogs. I liked Pulp Fiction & Kill Bill 1 & 2. Haven't seen any of his other work, & the trailer for IB didn't really inspire me. All though the weird, quirky, over-the-top vibe fit well In Kill Bill & Pulp Fiction I don't really want to see him make every movie like that. Dogs worked well because it was gritter & more realistic IMO (though it was touching the envelope a little bit.)

[bassman]

I've loved everything Tarantino has written/directed with the exception of Kill Bill. So i'll definitely see this in theater.

The only thing that puts me a bit off of this film is Eli Roth(hate that guy) and Mike Myers.:rockbrow: But I think Brad Pitt's awesome accent makes up for those two.:p

[EvilNed]

Somehow, and I'm not saying this to be an asshole, I'd be more interested in this if it weren't about american soldiers. I can understand that it's somehow about revenge against the Nazis for their torturous ways... But then let the french, british or russians carry out that revenge. Or even the Polish. It would make a more interesting movie. Now it just feels... I don't know, sort off bland.

[Tricky]

But american soldiers were the only people who fought in world war 2,lets not forget that!!even Hitlers third reich was made up of americans speaking in pseudo "german" accents,thats if hollywood is to be believed anyway! :rolleyes:

[bassman]

It's an american made movie so it makes sense for it to be in english, imo.

I bet Valkyrie made you guys cry. English speaking Germans in an american film....HOW COULD THEY!?!:p

[ProfessorChaos]

i also am in the "don't give a fuck about this film" camp. eli roth sucks, i think pitt's accent is annoying, and this looks pretty silly...

and i also think the most of tq's latest films are shit compared to his earlier stuff....almost like he's making comic-book movies, his shit just seems too juvenile these days.

[EvilNed]

I bet Valkyrie made you guys cry. English speaking Germans in an american film....HOW COULD THEY!?!:p

Not so much as "how could they", but sort off "And they expect us to actually take this seriously?".

I mean after watching Der Untergang, I've sort off seen the peak of how WW2 films SHOULD be. I have no desire whatsoever to go down there into the crap of Hollywoodization. Sorry. :p That's sort of like reading a bad porno novel with a sticky cover, sitting on a shitty train lavatory from the 1880's, as opposed to lying in the hot sun, but cold breeze on the riviera with a good, nice book that you just can't stop reading.

Well, sort off. It's very rarely that Hollywood gets WW2 right. And Valkyrie wasn't it. And this certainly isn't it either, even if I know it's not trying too. But nobody can deny that had this film been about polish resistance fighters, it would have been ten times as interesting.

[clanglee]

I actually liked Valkyrie more than Defiance. But they were both rather good.

One thing tho. . has anyone seen any pics of Mike Myers recently? Is he turning asian? It might be just too much plastic surgery, but I swear he is looking asian to me now.

[Craig]

I actually liked Valkyrie more than Defiance. But they were both rather good.
Didn't go much on Defiance, it just felt very bland and formulaic, similar to a film like Enemy at the Gates; it's what happens when you tackle an historical subject with a Hollywood mindset. Come and See is a much better film about partisans in Belorussia.

Haven't seen Valkyrie which I've put off seeing for the same reasons I didn't really enjoy Defiance.

[MikePizzoff]

I love a lot of the stuff Quentin has done. Jackie Brown, Pulp Fiction, Four Rooms, Reservoir Dogs, True Romance, From Dusk Til Dawn. Whether he has written&directed, or even just written, I generally love it. Not really into the Kill Bill movies, though. I'm very excited for Inglorious Basterds.

I wish he'd do more acting, I think the dude's a hilarious actor.

[clanglee]

I wish he'd do more acting, I think the dude's a hilarious actor.

I can take him in very small doses. I LOVE his movies, but as an actor.. . well. . after a very short while he gets on my damn nerves.

[Tricky]

Come and See is a much better film about partisans in Belorussia.

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Good film,but also strange in places,most notably the early scenes with the lad & the girl, the scarecrow & the hitler portrait!

[Trancelikestate]

ok, i just saw it. let me get this out of the way first. everyone might like the kill bill movies more if you were hard core bruce lee fans, and have maybe seen shogun assassin which is even mentioned in volume 2. yes its very outlandish with tons of blood but its a rockin movie dude. lone wolf assassin with son. "they will pay, with rivers of blood!" he's a bad ass. especially if u like wu tang clan. not only that, but inglorious basterds is not supposed to depict actual history but rather is a fun american nazi killing fun fictional story of how the war mightve ideally ended for the allies. ;) as far as it being americans killing nazi's i hope this isnt considered a spoiler but half the bastereds are European or perhaps even former nazi's themselves. ;)

[MinionZombie]

The only thing that puts me a bit off of this film is Eli Roth(hate that guy) and Mike Myers.:rockbrow: But I think Brad Pitt's awesome accent makes up for those two.:p

I too groaned when I heard/saw Roth was acting in it (don't really have a problem with him as a writer/director though) - but he's not got many lines in the movie, not many scenes, and when he is on screen he is actually quite good - plus he bulked up like 30lbs to become "the bear Jew". So the Roth worries were just worries that have not come to any fruition.


Somehow, and I'm not saying this to be an asshole, I'd be more interested in this if it weren't about american soldiers. I can understand that it's somehow about revenge against the Nazis for their torturous ways... But then let the french, british or russians carry out that revenge. Or even the Polish. It would make a more interesting movie. Now it just feels... I don't know, sort off bland.

The point in this movie is that it's a "Jewish revenge fantasy". Also, the titular Basterds are only in about half the movie, the rest of the movie is filled with German-speaking Germans, French-speaking French, and even a couple of plucky Brits (one of whom, to my ears at least, does a bloody good German accent while speaking in German - Fassbender, I think it was).

The advertising makes it seem like the movie is all explosions, guns and Basterds - but it's not, the violence is about 30 minutes worth (all eye-poppingly good), and the remaining 2 hours is great dialogue delivered by great actors - especially Waltz who plays Col. Landa aka "The Jew Hunter".


But american soldiers were the only people who fought in world war 2,lets not forget that!!even Hitlers third reich was made up of americans speaking in pseudo "german" accents,thats if hollywood is to be believed anyway! :rolleyes:

:lol: - yes, that does annoy me quite a bit - fortunately, there's a far more "international feel" to Basterds, with a variety of different languages being spoken (there's quite a lot of subtitles in it too, of course).

Also, this isn't supposed to be historically accurate in any way ... there'll come a point in the movie where that is ABUNDANTLY clear. It's far more Dirty Dozen (via Tarantino) than Saving Private Ryan, or The Longest Day.


It's an american made movie so it makes sense for it to be in english, imo.

I bet Valkyrie made you guys cry. English speaking Germans in an american film....HOW COULD THEY!?!:p

Basterds has Germans for Germans, French for French, and Americans for Americans ... ... and Mike Myers for a Brit ... well, and Michael Fassbender who is a Brit playing a Brit, to be fair.

In the opening scene, for instance, Landa (German) speaks to a farmer (who is French) in French, but then after a few minutes switches to English (which both characters speak as a second language well), then they switch back to French later on, with a bit of German thrown in if memory serves.


inglorious basterds is not supposed to depict actual history but rather is a fun american nazi killing fun fictional story of how the war mightve ideally ended for the allies. ;) as far as it being americans killing nazi's i hope this isnt considered a spoiler but half the bastereds are European or perhaps even former nazi's themselves. ;)

I think that's fine Trance, no spoilers in there - indeed, not every one of the Basterds are American - indeed, that's why Till Schweiger is one of the Basterds (he's bloody brilliant in it too, if only there was more of him - but he does get a fantastic intro :D).

[Trancelikestate]

I think that's fine Trance, no spoilers in there - indeed, not every one of the Basterds are American - indeed, that's why Till Schweiger is one of the Basterds (he's bloody brilliant in it too, if only there was more of him - but he does get a fantastic intro :D).

are you refering to hugo stiglitz? he's the shit dude. and yeah in no way is it supposed to depict history. and actually i thought eli roth was great. everyone was great. just enough action to balance dialogue in my opinion. especially compared to deathproof. i know most of us love watching nazi's die, and tarantino style really tops it off. plus u have the best KNB f/x to back it up. i know nicotero himself was there makin it look good. you can tell, it shows, great f/x. i loved the guy that played landa. he fit the role perfect, and the way he sold out at the end totally defines nazi's under pressure. matter of fact i'm surprised the officer who got beat to death at the beggining had such balls.

[PJoseph]

Landa and Raine made the movie for me.

As for the rest, I was mostly waiting for everything to end. I didn't even think the big ending was all that great. It never held any surprises for me, so the suspense of the film never really worked for me.

But, I didn't like the Kill Bills nor Deathproof, so I guess these films aren't for me.

pJ

[axlish]

I love Death Proof, but this thing looks awful. I'll give it a chance on video if someone I trust convinces me to.

[DjfunkmasterG]

I love Death Proof, but this thing looks awful. I'll give it a chance on video if someone I trust convinces me to.

Give it a chance

[MinionZombie]

Give it a chance
Damn straight - and in the cinema too.

Also - I too love Death Proof. It needed more action, or a better "dialogue to action" ratio, but I still loved it.

Basterds too could have used a bit of distilling, I felt at times some of the dialogue scenes went a step or two longer than they needed to, to get the point across. In that respect, QT needs to regain some discipline ... otherwise, loved IB.

[zombie04]

I really liked this one more than the Kill Bills and Death Proof. But what I really think helped the movie out just as much as French actors speaking French and German actors speaking German was the use of the music. As always QT's soundtrack really helps what you see on screen and the use of Ennio Morricone was very pleasing on the ears.

[major jay]

are you refering to hugo stiglitz? he's the shit dude.

Tarantino named a character after the lead actor from Nightmare City?
So in an odd way, you could say, this movie has a zombie connection. Nice!

[Trancelikestate]

never saw that one, but it would appear so. ;)

[DjfunkmasterG]

I think this movie started off great, but quickly sank into the most boring film I have ever watched. Honestly, there was way to much dialogue, and could have been cut back by a good 30 minutes.

This isn't some war epic, no need for the 2.5 hour running time, it is done in the very same vein as most QT flicks, but in all honesty I should have waited for the Blu-Ray release.

[Trancelikestate]

its Tarantino, you either love it or hate it. theres no in the middle.

[Danny]

i really enjoyed this film, there were some fantastic performances in it and the opening is probably my favorite out of all of tarantinos works.

that said im in the minority that thinks the kill bill movies were terrible, they were so far beyond homage to the point of just ripping off famous scenes from anime and asian cinema and sticking them together in a shitty 70's revenge plot, different strokes i suppose.

[Moon Knight]

Awesome movie! :hyper:

[MinionZombie]

i really enjoyed this film, there were some fantastic performances in it and the opening is probably my favorite out of all of tarantinos works.

that said im in the minority that thinks the kill bill movies were terrible, they were so far beyond homage to the point of just ripping off famous scenes from anime and asian cinema and sticking them together in a shitty 70's revenge plot, different strokes i suppose.

I too rather enjoyed IB, as folks here should know by now ... but I did think 10 minutes could have been lopped off at the script stage - just boil down some of the epic dialogue scenes to a purer essence, as a couple of times I was well ahead of what the characters were thinking. "Yes, I get it, he knows he's a spy, and he knows he knows he's a spy, and they're both playing a well-written game of wits ... but get to the punchline."

So it really could have done with a bit of boiling down, which would have also helped the action-to-talky-talk ratio. QT is very far from being Michael Bay, so some more action wouldn't hurt him at all.

Kill Bill had a good ratio of chit-chat-to-wham-bam, but it was Kill Bill 2 where he took a turning down "more talk, less action". I still loved KB2, and I absolutely loved Death Proof (although in DP you are, again, left waiting longer than is really necessary to get to the set pieces which sold you on it in the first place).

QT's dialogue is like the finest cuts of meat in the sandwich, but the action is the bread that holds it together. At the moment the bread is getting thinner and smaller, and the meat is getting fancier and poking out the edges and getting ham-juice on your mits...

Moving away from that strained metaphor ... :D

Still love QT's films, but he's been losing discipline for a while now.

Mark Kermode also made an interesting suggestion - filmmakers with too much power, and QT does have a lot of power (buying the rights to Inglorious Bastards so he could simply use the name, for instance), getting too big for their britches and not having enough "no men" around them to reign him in when necessary.

Apparently the Weinstein's wanted 40 minutes cut from IB - but in the form in which it was, you simply couldn't have cut 40 minutes out. You could have trimmed it by 10 - but the source of the issue I had with it (too much talk, not pure enough) goes all the way back to the script.

It's at the script stage that QT needs to regain discipline.

I'm still all for his flicks, but unless he gets a grip on himself he may very well end up in "Heaven's Gate" territory, and that'd be a damn shame.

[DjfunkmasterG]

I too rather enjoyed IB, as folks here should know by now ... but I did think 10 minutes could have been lopped off at the script stage - just boil down some of the epic dialogue scenes to a purer essence, as a couple of times I was well ahead of what the characters were thinking. "Yes, I get it, he knows he's a spy, and he knows he knows he's a spy, and they're both playing a well-written game of wits ... but get to the punchline."

So it really could have done with a bit of boiling down, which would have also helped the action-to-talky-talk ratio. QT is very far from being Michael Bay, so some more action wouldn't hurt him at all.

Kill Bill had a good ratio of chit-chat-to-wham-bam, but it was Kill Bill 2 where he took a turning down "more talk, less action". I still loved KB2, and I absolutely loved Death Proof (although in DP you are, again, left waiting longer than is really necessary to get to the set pieces which sold you on it in the first place).

QT's dialogue is like the finest cuts of meat in the sandwich, but the action is the bread that holds it together. At the moment the bread is getting thinner and smaller, and the meat is getting fancier and poking out the edges and getting ham-juice on your mits...

Moving away from that strained metaphor ... :D

Still love QT's films, but he's been losing discipline for a while now.

Mark Kermode also made an interesting suggestion - filmmakers with too much power, and QT does have a lot of power (buying the rights to Inglorious Bastards so he could simply use the name, for instance), getting too big for their britches and not having enough "no men" around them to reign him in when necessary.

Apparently the Weinstein's wanted 40 minutes cut from IB - but in the form in which it was, you simply couldn't have cut 40 minutes out. You could have trimmed it by 10 - but the source of the issue I had with it (too much talk, not pure enough) goes all the way back to the script.

It's at the script stage that QT needs to regain discipline.

I'm still all for his flicks, but unless he gets a grip on himself he may very well end up in "Heaven's Gate" territory, and that'd be a damn shame.'


I think IB has put him into HG territory. You make excellment points with your metaphors, and yes, QT is probably never said no too, but Death Proof should have been a wake-up call to him. Planet Terror has proven to be the most popular out of thee two GH flicks, and IB really falters because of the over done dialog... just my 2 cents.

[shootemindehead]

Tarrantino Shot his bolt with 'Reservoir Dogs'. He hasn't made anything that's even remotely close to it since. 'Pulp Fiction' was just OK, but it's an incredibly over-rated film. Kill Bill was bollox from beginning to end.

But, as a student of WWII and one who admires films on the subject like 'Das Boot', 'The Battle of Britain' and 'Der Untergang', I've been advised to avoid 'Inglorious Bastards' like the plague.

From what I've seen, of both Tarrantino and IB, I'll be doing just that.

Besides, I've seen the original 70's Italian exploitation flick already. :D

[MinionZombie]

Besides, I've seen the original 70's Italian exploitation flick already.

Which has nothing to do with QT's film - he bought the rights purely to be able to use the name. Plot wise the films are totally different.

As for realism - IB was never meant to be that, and it's clear when you watch it, anyone going in expecting realism and gritty drama is a numpty.

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Also, IB has been QT's best opening box office weekend ever apparently.

[shootemindehead]

Which has nothing to do with QT's film - he bought the rights purely to be able to use the name. Plot wise the films are totally different.


Yeh, I know....that was the joke. That's why I :D at the end.

:D :D :D :D <----- see, more of em.

QT is still a spent force though...

:p

[DjfunkmasterG]

QT interview on Charlie Rose

Downloadable too

http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/10567

[Neil]

So no one here has actually seen it?

[MinionZombie]

So no one here has actually seen it?
Eh?

I've seen it, Trance has seen it, PJoseph has seen it, hellsing has seen it, Dj has seen it.

What have you been smoking today, Neil? Surely it's clear a bunch of us have seen it from this thread? :p

[Neil]

Eh?

I've seen it, Trance has seen it, PJoseph has seen it, hellsing has seen it, Dj has seen it.

What have you been smoking today, Neil? Surely it's clear a bunch of us have seen it from this thread? :p
Ooops... My bad... Just looked at some of the last posts and didn't catch the impression anyone had seen it...

[AcesandEights]

Well, I saw it Friday night and it was great! It was also very well received by the crowd. A damned fun movie to go to opening weekend, but certainly not everyone's cup of tea!

[Neil]

Well, I saw it Friday night and it was great! It was also very well received by the crowd. A damned fun movie to go to opening weekend, but certainly not everyone's cup of tea!

Seeing it in an hour...

[MinionZombie]

QT interview on Charlie Rose

Downloadable too

http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/10567

Watched this earlier - good interview, and it's interesting to hear QT talking about the discipline issue, so he is aware of it...although I do think he needs greater discipline in his writing to not go too overboard.

The idea of Shoshana being a rooftop sniper in Paris did sound awesome though.


Well, I saw it Friday night and it was great! It was also very well received by the crowd. A damned fun movie to go to opening weekend, but certainly not everyone's cup of tea!

Indeed, the audience when I saw it on the 16th were digging it. Nobody seemed put off by the long dialogue scenes, or the subtitles, and indeed they all laughed at the right moments and got the jokes, and you could also sense the wide-eyed shock from some of the violence. I was stunned by it - so well crafted by Nicotero & Berger, some of their best work.


Seeing it in an hour...

Hope you like it, you notoriously picky bugger. :D

[Exatreides]

Went and watched it last night with a friend of mine. I enjoyed it, some parts of it felt a little drawn out. I do feel though that with out those parts the film would have seemed short and almost choppy.

[Neil]

I really enjoyed it. Typical over the top, over talky, over stylised Tarrantino characters, but it was different.... and I loved it...

Brad Pitt (Raine) and Christoph Waltz (Landa) were completely over the top, but great fun to watch. Somewhat like - I guess - Deppe as Jack Sparrow...


My only real problems with the film were:-
1) Mike Myers - He just felt completely out of place!
2) The ending - It was just too obvious

[MinionZombie]

I really enjoyed it. Typical over the top, over talky, over stylised Tarrantino characters, but it was different.... and I loved it...

Brad Pitt (Raine) and Christoph Waltz (Landa) were completely over the top, but great fun to watch. Somewhat like - I guess - Deppe as Jack Sparrow...


My only real problems with the film were:-
1) Mike Myers - He just felt completely out of place!
2) The ending - It was just too obvious

I'm glad you really enjoyed it Neil, I was worried you'd come back with a list of niggly complaints. :p

As for your two points...

1) We all know Mike Myers is in it, so it's not really a spoiler at all ... YES - he does feel out of place. I just kept thinking "shagalicious, baaaaaby". How on earth he couldn't find an actual British actor for that role is beyond me - when you've got French for French, German for German, American for American, how come for the Brits we get one Brit (Fassbender - who puts on, what I thought was, a bloody good German accent and dialect) and a Canadian? :p I guess there was the other dude (you know who) in the room, but I don't know who he was nationality wise.

2) How was the ending obvious? I didn't think it was obvious at all...elements surprised me...

For example, I assumed that Roth and Doom's characters would just lob the dynamite into the crowd and scarper - when they just remained there pwning Nazis and blew up I was like "holy shit - suicide bombers!" :eek:

Also, Landa's treachery to his own side kinda blindsighted me for a moment, but of course his comeuppance was fantastic.

Raine and Landa were, naturally, the two characters that gripped me 100% throughout - Raine especially was very entertaining in a comedic way...

For example, his idea of an Italian accent - not one at all - him looking really awkward in the company of Landa, with his two comrades beside him, saying "Bonjourno" and "Arrivaderche" (spelling?) in a Tennesse accent was hilarious.

As was the line about seeing Donnowitz bash Nazis being as close to them getting to see a movie as they could get.

Hopefully the DVD will have plenty on it - the Kill Bill DVDs were woefully empty of extras (bar some pish EPK and a trailer) ... meanwhile Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown all got good 2-disc retrospectives. Although, Death Proof got a solid presentation on 2-disc DVD, so hopefully IB will get a solid treatment too.

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Also, I really hope he does a sequel - and I hope it fills in those missing 3 years - I want increased action, increased amounts of Basterds, and slightly more boiled down dialogue (so I don't ever get to a point where I'm waiting for the inevitable conclusion to the conversation - which did happen a couple of times when I watched it - hence the need for a bit of boiling down with the talk on occasion).

Over all though - loved it. I look forward to getting the DVD (fingers crossed for a quality presentation). :)

[Neil]

I didn't know Mike Myers was in it, until he turned up to almost ruin that scene he was in... Yes, they should have found someone else!

Yeh, the speaking Italian stuff was great :) Very silly and very fun!