the secret service might want to visit this guy...

[Mike70]

you might have heard about this but i'll put it out it here again. the christian right in this country is crossing a line with the hate filled rhetoric.

here is one of these idiot "preachers" saying that killing the president wouldn't be murder. huh?

like i said, the secret service needs to visit this guy and explain the federal law about threatening the life of the president or inciting anyone to commit an act of violence against the president, then tell him to shut the fuck up. period.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2009/09/13/nr.god.obama.cnn


criticize the president all you want but these shitbirds really need to back off of all this wacko crap. some unbalanced fuckwit out there just might decide to act on it and claim that he was doing "god's work".

[_liam_]

like i said, the SS needs to visit this guy and explain the federal law about threatening the life of the president or inciting anyone to commit an act of violence against the president, then tell him to shut the fuck up. period.


lol

I think the spooks are probably busy checking out the nine zillion people on message boards threatening to assassinate him because of the heathcare reforms :D what a warped arsehole though

[Mike70]

lol

I think the spooks are probably busy checking out the nine zillion people on message boards threatening to assassinate him because of the heathcare reforms :D what a warped arsehole though

shit, i must have been half asleep. that is a poor, poor choice of abbreviation. i'll be changing that.

this is just the kind of person they ought to be concentrating on. folks that talk this kind of bullshit are liable to push some unbalanced fool in their "flock" over the edge. things like this have happened before with white power groups. their leaders preach hatred and violence and the next thing you know there are 19 year olds out there trying murdering black folks.

this isn't a free speech issue either. courts have ruled again and again in this country that people can be held accountable for speech whose sole purpose is to incite violence. besides, it's illegal to threaten the president anyway.

[Skippy911sc]

Didn't Homeland Security issue a warning against actions by people like this? I have heard his sermons and can't believe people are actually listening to this guy...but on some of them you will hear people yelling in agreement. Sick sick world.

[darth los]

this isn't a free speech issue either. courts have ruled again and again in this country that people can be held accountable for speech whose sole purpose is to incite violence. besides, it's illegal to threaten the president anyway.


And with the history of assasination we have in this country it should be.


Many times in life there are things that we know to be true but we just can't prove. Now I'm not saying that these people don't have other legitimate fears besides the spector of a black man as the face of "their America" but it's really interesting how no of these people were out in force like this when the Previous administration ran up the biggest deficit in history and presided over the largest expansion of the federal gov't in history.

Shit the term "my America" implies racism. I would go a little farther than racism. Yes thats part of it but there are those who will just not accept a legitimate democratic president. For as long as I've been alive people with this same mntality have treated Carter, Clinton and now Obama with , let's just say "less respect than the office of the presidency deserves".

It's like when the republicans win elections it's all good. They actually enact their agenda. They give tax cuts to the rich, deregulate, start wars and stop stem cell research. which is all good. You know why? Cause they won the God damned election that why. That gives them liscence to govern.

Conversely, when the dems win it seems as if their primary concern is not to offend the right. They're in constant defensive mode. They have every right to govern and enact their agenda but the right acts like it's revolution time whenever dems and liberals want to exercise their right to enact their priciples. Does this seem a tad unfair to anyone?

Each party candidate made their case and the people decided in the election booths. what the hell are these people's problem man?






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[Mike70]

what the hell are these people's problem man?



i wish i knew man. the paranoia, fear, misinformation and over all loony behavior being exhibited by some of these folks is shocking.

i have probably heard more crazy shit about obama than any other president. my personal favorite, which shows the complete civic ignorance of some of the folks, is the whole "obama isn't a natural born US citizen." bullshit. even if he hadn't been born in hawaii, his mother was a US citizen and that makes him one by birth- no matter where he was born. indonesia, kenya, the north pole, it doesn't matter. period. end of the discussion.

i find this esp. hilarious because guess where john mccain was born? Panama. hypocrisy at its finest.

[SymphonicX]

No one complains about where Arnie was born either?!

[Mike70]

No one complains about where Arnie was born either?!

arnie can be governor. he cannot hold the office of president or vice-president. there is some debate as to whether someone in arnie's situation would be allowed to be speaker of the house or president pro-tem of the senate, since those are in the direct line of succession.

[AcesandEights]

No one complains about where Arnie was born either?!

They sure do when his supporters talk about amending the constitution so he can run for President. One must be a natural born citizen of the U.S. to run.

That said, I'm not touching the convo as to how the qualifiers applied to McCain or Obama.

[darth los]

i wish i knew man. the paranoia, fear, misinformation and over all loony behavior being exhibited by some of these folks is shocking.

i have probably heard more crazy shit about obama than any other president. my personal favorite, which shows the complete civic ignorance of some of the folks, is the whole "obama isn't a natural born US citizen." bullshit. even if he hadn't been born in hawaii, his mother was a US citizen and that makes him one by birth- no matter where he was born. indonesia, kenya, the north pole, it doesn't matter. period. end of the discussion.

i find this esp. hilarious because guess where john mccain was born? Panama. hypocrisy at its finest.


It's just very disturbing. We think we have come so far in this country on the issue of race until this rock gets turned over and we really see the ugliness underneath it. Like I said, I don't know what's in people's hearts but if it's not race then what is it?


Furthermore, all this infighting makes us weak and if you don't think our enemies are loving this shit, think again.





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[Skippy911sc]

The more emails I get knocking the Prez the more I fear the true motivator is color. I hate to say it but I think a lot of what people fear is the color of this guys skin. I have never seen our country as divided (in the media) as it is right now. However I have many friends on the right and the funny thing is we both want the same things...they just have a different idea of how to get those things. I must say, however they are also some of the most ill informed people I know.

[AcesandEights]

Note to self: start novel about aged, teetering SS men who have contracted out their protection services to the Federal government.

[MikePizzoff]

Has anyone seen the full footage of this pastor's service? On the CNN footage, they do not show him advocating the death of the president in his sermon; he just says he hates Obama and God hates Obama. Now, don't think I'm backing this guy up in any way, because I'm not! But, unless you guys have seen the footage of the pastor actually saying he wants someone to kill Obama, during his sermon, I feel that the talk-show host may have just been performing his own version of mudraking simply because he knows this guy is such a hate-monger.

I'm ferklempt. Talk amongst yaselves.

[DeadJonas190]

Has anyone seen the full footage of this pastor's service? On the CNN footage, they do not show him advocating the death of the president in his sermon; he just says he hates Obama and God hates Obama. Now, don't think I'm backing this guy up in any way, because I'm not! But, unless you guys have seen the footage of the pastor actually saying he wants someone to kill Obama, during his sermon, I feel that the talk-show host may have just been performing his own version of mudraking simply because he knows this guy is such a hate-monger.

I'm ferklempt. Talk amongst yaselves.

Actually if you watch the full CNN footage he advocates killing the president, going as far as saying it wouldn't even be murder and then he tells the interviewer that he hopes he "gets brain cancer and dies like Ted Kennedy." then hung up. The man is clearly full of hate and should not be a pastor as no true man of God would preach such hatred.

On the same subject, my aunt and my little cousin (only 7) were over for a family dinner the other night. My little cousin tells me "My country hates Obama, he is the devil, he is satan." So I said to him, "No, your country does not hate Barak Obama, somebody has lied to you." My aunt tells him to shut up and the kid says "No, My country, not your country." So I asked him what he was talking about and he says "San Marino, it's my country, your country is America." This kid was born here, raised here and his father (who actually is not the biological father, he couldn't impregnate my aunt due to medical reasons) is from San Marino and now my little cousin, at 7 years old, is being told to hate the president because of his ignorant parents. They attend a church where the pastor preaches just as much hate as the guy this post is about and they believe they are true Christians. I asked my aunt why she is letting her husband teach her son such hatred and her only answer was "I don't want to talk about it." I saw my mom starting to get upset so I let it go, but I wanted to go off on her for teaching that little guy such hate, he is a good kid that doesn't deserve that at all.

I think that one of the largest problems in this country is that there are people claiming to be men and women of faith yet they preach such vile hatred, it disgusts me. They use their pulpit to speak and claim they are speaking the word of God yet they are just preaching their own vile agenda and have so many blind followers who simply can not or will not think for themselves. I think I should start my own church called "The Church of Truth" where people of all religions can congregate without the hate and not only learn about other religions, but learn that they all pretty much teach the same morals when you take out the extremists.

[strayrider]

i find this esp. hilarious because guess where john mccain was born? Panama. hypocrisy at its finest.

Not exactly, Mike. The pit dweller was born on a US military installation, which is considered America regardless of its location in the world.

I've personally stayed away from the AssClown's BC issue because there is no hard evidence for either argument. His grandmother (RIP) claims he was born in a village in Kenya, Africa; his supporters, Hawaii, USA. O could solve the question by releasing all of his personal documents for public scrutiny.

As for the attack on Christians, in general, based on the guy in the video: why would you do that?

You don't judge the entire gay community on the actions of a few child molesters, do you?

There are kooks and crack-pots on both sides. (that is why I've made a mad scramble as far to the Right as I can get ... they're all to the Left of me).

I'll leave you with a prayer: "Please, O God, let Ron Paul run against Obama in the next election. And, PLEASE, let Sarah Palin come to her senses and pose for Penthouse. Then, and only then, will I know that all is well in the Republic of the Constitution. Amen."

:D

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[Mike70]

Not exactly, Mike. The pit dweller was born on a US military installation, which is considered America regardless of its location in the world.



are you positive about this? i've read that he was born in a hospital in Colon, Panama, that wasn't on military property. that's the only reason i brought it up because, as you point out, military property is US soil.


in the middle of writing this response, i went and looked up the info on mccain. his place of birth is listed as coco solo naval air station, panama canal zone. looks like he was born on military property after all.

[DjfunkmasterG]

All of this simply comes down to OBAMA being the first black president... end of argument. If Hillary clinton would have won it would be sexism instead of racism.

[SymphonicX]

Yep.

If Hitler had won it the right would still complain.

[MikePizzoff]

Actually if you watch the full CNN footage he advocates killing the president, going as far as saying it wouldn't even be murder and then he tells the interviewer that he hopes he "gets brain cancer and dies like Ted Kennedy." then hung up. The man is clearly full of hate and should not be a pastor as no true man of God would preach such hatred.


I know he said it on the talk show, but that doesn't show proof that he said it during his sermon. The talk show host could have been roping him into that one. The host asked the pastor how he'd feel about Obama being killed... it doesn't show the pastor being the first one to bring that up.

I must stress, once again, that I in no way agree with or am attempting to defend this hateful waste of life. But because he said he wouldn't consider it to be murder when the talk show host asked him how he'd feel if Obama were murdered - I don't feel that's reason enough for the secret service to find the man as a threat.

[DjfunkmasterG]

In honor of this thread I have updated my signaure and I am sure if Sheriff Buford T. Justice was a real person... he would say the same thing.

[bassman]

In honor of this thread I have updated my signaure and I am sure if Sheriff Buford T. Justice was a real person... he would say the same thing.

"Sum-bitch"

Who doesn't love Smokey and the Bandit? And the Sheriff ISN'T real?!? :p

[Skippy911sc]

You don't judge the entire gay community on the actions of a few child molesters, do you?


:D

-stray-

You are making the assumption that child molesters are Gay...right off the bat you are doing exactly what you said people should not do. And I think the entire Gay community is judged by a few molesters whether they be Gay or not. Why do you think the boy scouts do not let homosexuals lead their troops?

Check out this sight...if it is still up and see how certain people push the ideas into others heads...similar to phone push polling but on a greater scale.

http://www.glennbeckrapedandmurderedayounggirlin1990.com/

This is a satirical site but it is a similar tactic that Beckkk uses on his show...and note my use of kkk in his name, this is another subtle (maybe not) way of getting an idea across without coming right out and saying it.

[Mike70]

In honor of this thread I have updated my signaure and I am sure if Sheriff Buford T. Justice was a real person... he would say the same thing.



"junior, you'll always be my little tick turd."

[AcesandEights]

Barely two pages in and there's mention of Hitler and the race card gets thrown.

Beautiful.

[SymphonicX]

oi, my hitler comment was meant satirically.

[BillyRay]

If Hitler had won it the right would still complain.

Well, the man WAS a Socialist, technically....

[slickwilly13]

[QUOTE=Mike70;199364]shit, i must have been half asleep. that is a poor, poor choice of abbreviation. i'll be changing that.
QUOTE]

You have it right. They might as well be called the SS. Because if you try to harm the president they will put the boots to your ass the same way.

[AcesandEights]

oi, my hitler comment was meant satirically.

I figured, I'm just bustin' balls :D

God knows I make my share of off-the-cuff comments. :dead:

[DjfunkmasterG]

"junior, you'll always be my little tick turd."

or...

"There is no way you came from my loins. When we get home I am going punch your momma right in the mouth."

[darth los]

You have it right. They might as well be called the SS. Because if you try to harm the president they will put the boots to your ass the same way.[/QUOTE]

As well they should whether they be protecting dubya or obama. The president of the U.S. MUST be protected at all time and at all costs.



In honor of this thread I have updated my signaure and I am sure if Sheriff Buford T. Justice was a real person... he would say the same thing.



I like it deej!!


The sad thing is, what kind of precedent is this setting? A democrat is not always going to be the president you know. This just gives liscence to all the activists and people in congress on the left to give the next republican president all kinds of hell.


You lost the election, deal with it. Do like Doc frankenstein who dealt with that unruly zombie:

"Now you just sit here in the dark for 4 years and think about what you've done...think about it...think." And turn the lights out on their asses. Perhaps if the sane republicans didn't let their party be highjacked by space cadets they would be in power.


Think about this. How bad did the republicans have to fuck things up for the race for president to be boiled down to a black man and a lberal woman?

Because this much is undebatable: I don't care if honest Abe himself rose from the grave and ran as the republican nominee, there was no way a rep was winning the white house in 08'. Now instead of taking that info. and evolve and adjust they just "stsay the course." A popular republican slogan if I ever heard one.






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[SymphonicX]

Well, the man WAS a Socialist, technically....

LULZ!

Dude was only slightly to the right of The Sun newspaper and Genghis Khan!

[strayrider]

You are making the assumption that child molesters are Gay...right off the bat you are doing exactly what you said people should not do.

No, I'm not.

I'll phrase it differently.

Some Gay people are child molesters. They should be held accountable for their actions. The Gay community should not.

Some Christians are loony. They should be held accountable for their actions. The Christian community should not.

Is my point now clarified to your satisfaction?

:D

-stray-

[SymphonicX]

Only that gay people and kiddie fiddlers are completely unrelated in every sense.

[strayrider]

All of this simply comes down to OBAMA being the first black president... end of argument. If Hillary clinton would have won it would be sexism instead of racism.

Right! That is exactly how the Left plays the game. They have the deck loaded with all sorts of "cards".

Don't agree with a black guy? YOU'RE A RACIST!

Don't agree with a woman? YOU'RE A SEXIST!

(of course these same rules do not apply to Conservative black guys, or Conservative women ... you can disagree with them to your heart's content and still be PC ;))

It's really becoming old and ineffective.

:D

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Only that gay people and kiddie fiddlers are completely unrelated in every sense.

Prove, irrefutably, that no gay person has ever molested a child.

:D

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[SymphonicX]

Prove, irrefutably, that no gay person has ever molested a child.


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I don't need to, burden of proof is for you to prove that non-gays haven't done that stuff, and its isolated to the gay community. There are many straight people who have, therefore the issue isn't with gay people or their sexuality, therefore it's competeley irrelevant.

You could pick any minority at this point and insert it there. You pick gay people and that worries me that your initial thought was to assosciate gay people with sexual deviancy.

[strayrider]

You could pick any minority at this point and insert it there. You pick gay people and that worries me that your initial thought was to assosciate gay people with sexual deviancy.

So you understand that my original post to Mike was exactly what you are saying here?

Which is to say don't stereotype people based on their affiliations.

The only reason for my usage of gay people is because it is a common misperception that they are "kiddie fiddlers" as a group -- a stereotype -- in direct counter-point to the assertion that Christians are nut jobs, which is also a misperception -- or stereotype.

I believe that Mike understood my point without any further explanation.

I don't understand why you haven't.

:D

-stray-

[SymphonicX]

I spose it makes sense when you say it like that...and we moved from the original point so much I forgot what you wrote...

[strayrider]

I spose it makes sense when you say it like that...and we moved from the original point so much I forgot what you wrote...

Right, I probably should have mentioned the nutjob in the video.

From what I saw he didn't actually say that HE wanted to kill Obama, only that it wouldn't bother him if someone else did. If this is true, then the SS shouldn't waste their time with him.

Incidentally, it would bother me if someone offed the AssClown. As much as I dislike his policies, I don't really dislike him. He's kinda cute in a silly way (see pic below).

Plus, I do support the office of the President and I pledge ... no, wait, that is a different thread ... :p

:D

-stray-

ps -- now, if we could only get Soetoro to release his BC and personal records like the big man on campus that he is, all of these "birthers" might just go away.

And did I mention how proud I am of Barry for his handling of the Iranian elections a few weeks ago. Good job! His grade has gone from an L- to a K+.

[DubiousComforts]

You don't judge the entire gay community on the actions of a few child molesters, do you?

Yet I do judge the Catholic religion (my faith) on how poorly they've handled child molestation cases that have taken place within their own parishes. Any rational person should be judging them.


Right! That is exactly how the Left plays the game. They have the deck loaded with all sorts of "cards".

Don't agree with a black guy? YOU'RE A RACIST!

Don't agree with a woman? YOU'RE A SEXIST!
This would be a cute viewpoint except for the fact that there are a lot of racist and sexist people, and they don't have to "disagree with a black guy or a woman" to make that apparent.

It's not a "left game" either.

[strayrider]

Yet I do judge the Catholic religion (my faith) on how poorly they've handled child molestation cases that have taken place within their own parishes. Any rational person should be judging them.

Doobie, I agree with you. Catholic leadership has done a lousy job of handling that particular problem, however, I do not judge every person who is a Catholic because of it. In other words, I do not say that all Catholics support "kiddie fiddling".



This would be a cute viewpoint except for the fact that there are a lot of racist and sexist people, and they don't have to "disagree with a black guy or a woman" to make that apparent.

Cute as in how? Cute as in silly, or cute as in physically attractive. If the latter, then thank you very much, TickleBear. (tee hee) :o

Seriously, if my original intent had been to deny the existence of racism I can see your comments as being relevant, otherwise, what exactly are you saying here? How does it relate to DJ's opinion that not liking Obama simply because he is black automatically equates to racism?


It's not a "left game" either.

Is too.

:D

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