Spider-Man 4 No More. Rather, Spider-Man Reboot!?

[EvilNed]

http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/urgent-spider-man-4-scrapped-as-is-raimi-and-cast-out-franchise-reboot-planned/

Okay, so the lowdown:

Raimi pulled out of Spider-Man 4 and the studio tossed it aside. Instead of letting it go and trying out something new, they've decided to REBOOT SPIDER-MAN!?

Spider-Man. At the very LEAST the second best Comic Book-movie franchise we've had lately, tied with the Batman films for me. And I think most people would agree when I say the Spider-Man films were great. I can see them re-booting the Fantastic Four, because that one sucked. But Spider-Man? You'll get nothing from this! Nothing at all!

These studios seem to think that remaking anything into a darker story will make it better. Did it ever occur to them that Spider-Man was a perfect counter-balance to the Batman franchise? That not ALL comic book franchises need to be dark and emo. That the atmosphere of the Spider-Man films is exactly what it needed to be? Light enough to chuckle at, Dark enough to find exciting.

This is the most idiotic decision I've heard of so far in 2010.

[krakenslayer]

Fuck that

[bassman]

These studios seem to think that remaking anything into a darker story will make it better. Did it ever occur to them that Spider-Man was a perfect counter-balance to the Batman franchise? That not ALL comic book franchises need to be dark and emo. That the atmosphere of the Spider-Man films is exactly what it needed to be? Light enough to chuckle at, Dark enough to find exciting.


Couldn't agree more. Ever since TDK did very well in cinemas they think every superhero flick should be dark. I guess they never stopped to think that Batman calls for that darkness and it doesn't apply to most others? This makes about as much sense as Tim Burton's Superman.:rolleyes:


But rebooting a series so soon?!? When did Spiderman 3 come out? Two years ago?:dead:

[rongravy]

Man, that sucks. I liked Tobie, almost as much as the 70's TV Spidey.
Well, whatever they do, it better be spectacular.
Why couldn't they just have given him more time to make it?

[bassman]

What's the bet that they'll go back to Cameron's old script now that Avatar is making so much money?:p

[Mike70]

i've always preferred to keep my comic heroes in the comics. i've never been much on superhero movies. i've never seen a second of spider-man 2 or 3, so i have no basis for outrage.

[Danny]

huh. thats conflicting, just yesterday or the day before jhon malkovic announced on an italian talk show or something that he is playing the vulture and they"hope to be shooting once the new scripts finalized", there seems to be like 5 different stories about the next spiderman film going round this week. all seems a bit pointless really, like are the people behind it not going to make something that will rake in millions? as for a remake yeah, thats pretty dumb. simple as that.

[ProfessorChaos]

well, can't say we didn't see this coming.

even though i was a huge spidey-dork as a kid and liked the first two films, the crap-tacular third film and a slew of crappy spidey-video games have left me pretty jaded when it comes to anything to do with the old web-head.

don't really give a shit about a reboot, probably won't see it in theaters.

[Danny]

i think the 3rd is one of those things that falls in the "cool to hate it" category where people hate it without even watching ti in some cases. dont get me wrong its the worst of the 3 but the symbiote crawling along the ground like a liquid, yet gnarled hand, or sandmands 'rebirth' were technically amazing, and the sandman bit in particular was a beautiful piece of work on raimis part.

[MinionZombie]

Yeah, SM3 is definitely "cool to hate", which is why I don't hate it. It is the weakest of the three, as you've said, but come on people, it's not that bad.

This news has surprised me ... ... well, if this is the case, maybe we're a step closer to an Evil Dead 4?

I don't like the idea of a reboot/prequel either. Spider-Man movies, to me, is a Maguire/Raimi partnership.

[Danny]

This news has surprised me ... ... well, if this is the case, maybe we're a step closer to an Evil Dead 4?


nope, dudes signed on to do the warcraft movie 'member?

[mista_mo]

They're making a goddamned warcraft movie? What the fuck man.

[Danny]

They're making a goddamned warcraft movie? What the fuck man.

say what you will about wow, warcraft 3 had a decent story for a fantasy rts, for one thing the hero was an Orc, the atypical fantasy villain and the bad guy was a human paladin turned leader of the undead. it did a few things you dont see in fantasy movies at all really.

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[mista_mo]

Oh, I loved Warcraft 2 and 3, not a fan of WoW at all, but I do find the setting interesting. It is just that a movie seems uggh...odd to me, you know what I mean?

Of course, I am a Warhammer fanboy, so I am a little dismayed that there is going to be a full-blown Warcraft movie before a full-blown 40k movie. That being said, there is a 3d movie about the Space Marines coming out...sometime. It is a step in the right direction but goddammit, I want my epic 40k Imperial Guard meets Saving Private Ryan shit! Or something alogn those lines.


Back to the OP: The entire Spider-man series is actually really damn good, and I feel that tobey is the perfect Peter Parker/Spider-man. I don't want to see a reboot, so much as I want to see a Spider-man 4.

[Danny]

thats because games workshop are whiny bitches about 40k, the was a fan made german feature film that they shut.the.fuck.down. faster than jared will shove a subway up his ass.

thats the subway diet. you poop out yer' mouth.

[EvilNed]

I liked Spidey 3. Hey, sue me.

[bassman]

I didn't think Spiderman 3 was all that bad, either. It wasn't as good as 2, which I think is the best of the trilogy, but it definitely wasn't bad. I think the main problem was that they tried to cram too much story into an average length film. Too many new and returning characters to deal with properly in 2 hours.

It could have definitely been worse. Just look at the last film in the previous Batman series.:barf: Spiderman 3 looks like Ben Hur by comparison...

Whatever sony does with Spiderman...I hope it's a few years down the road. If they try to quickly spit out a new film with a new cast and crew it's probably going to bite them in the ass. They need to let some time pass.

Either that or go the reasonable route and...ya know....let it go. You made billions off of a successful trilogy. Quit milking it and be happy with what you got.

[mista_mo]

thats because games workshop are whiny bitches about 40k, the was a fan made german feature film that they shut.the.fuck.down. faster than jared will shove a subway up his ass.

thats the subway diet. you poop out yer' mouth.

GW is getting slightly better in that regard. I mean, 40k is a great setting, and it is a shame that it hasn't been explored in a feature film.

[BillyRay]

I didn't think Spiderman 3 was all that bad, either. It wasn't as good as 2, which I think is the best of the trilogy, but it definitely wasn't bad. I think the main problem was that they tried to cram too much story into an average length film. Too many new and returning characters to deal with properly in 2 hours.

Exactly. It happened with the Batman franchise, it happened with the X-men franchise, and Spidey 4 (at least what info had been leaked) looked to be more of the same. I dig Anne Hathaway as much as the next guy, but the Vulturess?!? Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot?

But I enjoyed Spidey 3. Topher Grace was a pretty good Venom (ducks), and I dug how Thomas Haden Church portayed Sandman. (Of course, he already looks like the guy to begin with). I didn't even mind the musical number.

The only glaring issue I have with the movie is: right before the climactic fight, when Harry is agonizing over the whole "my best friend, my arch-enemy" subplot, again, the butler says (and I'm paraphrasing here):

"By the way, sir, I probably should have told you this a couple movies ago, but Spider Man didn't actually kill your father."

Argh.

And I don't recall seeing the butler character in either of the previous films. Where the hell was this guy? Good help is hard to find, I suppose...

[bassman]

It happened with the Batman franchise...

Joel Shumacher and the toy company are what ruined the Batman franchise. It was more about the marketing and kiddies than it was making a good film.

But at least the reboot of the batman series made sense. It was almost ten years between the two series and people had pretty much forgotten or stopped caring about the Burton/Shumacher era. Hell...Batman Begins barely scraped by in theater from what I remember. It did well enough, but it really didn't gain it's true following until dvd and broadcasting. But to start over with Spidey so soon? They're going to run it into the ground with sequels and spinoff movies like fox is doing with Wolverine(1&2) and Xmen: First Class.:rolleyes:

I've said it a million time and I'll say it a million more....god bless Christopher Nolan.:)

[MinionZombie]

Despite doing the WoW movie apparently, if the dude had WoW and SM4 on his slate, I'm sure that now he's dropped SM4, he'd be able to find the time for Evil Dead 4 - which would be a far smaller movie than SM4. If you can juggle WoW and SM4, you can juggle WoW and ED4, is what I'm saying.

Gotta live in hope. They both want to do it, it seems, so maybe this development will give Raimi more immediate inspiration to do it.

Just get Campbell on a bit of a diet to trim off some of the paunch, dye his hair (apart from the grey streak the character has/had), and then set it somewhere along the line - providing they go with the original 'down' ending to ED3.

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Also, I so don't care about seeing X-Men: The First Class. Likewise, I don't want to see a SM film without Maguire/Raimi. A reboot already is taking the piss.

While Nolan made Batman awesome again, it's awful how a bunch of fuckers just blurt out "Batman Begins!" as an all-powerful excuse to reboot/prequel freaking anything and everything.

[bassman]

While Nolan made Batman awesome again, it's awful how a bunch of fuckers just blurt out "Batman Begins!" as an all-powerful excuse to reboot/prequel freaking anything and everything.

I know! They always mention BB and Casino Royale. Just because those two were made well doesn't mean everyone else should try. Not to mention the Batman and 007 franchises desperately NEEDED another direction. Spiderman and Xmen don't. Yet.

[MinionZombie]

I know! They always mention BB and Casino Royale. Just because those two were made well doesn't mean everyone else should try. Not to mention the Batman and 007 franchises desperately NEEDED another direction. Spiderman and Xmen don't. Yet.
Spot on, chap.

[DjfunkmasterG]

The only Spidey movies worth a damn are 1 & 2, 2 being the best of the bunch. 3 was utterly pointless, and nothing shy of a complete hack job. Cancelling a Spidey 4 is perfectly ok with me, and there is no fucking need for a reboot

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Despite doing the WoW movie apparently, if the dude had WoW and SM4 on his slate, I'm sure that now he's dropped SM4, he'd be able to find the time for Evil Dead 4 - which would be a far smaller movie than SM4. If you can juggle WoW and SM4, you can juggle WoW and ED4, is what I'm saying.

Gotta live in hope. They both want to do it, it seems, so maybe this development will give Raimi more immediate inspiration to do it.

Just get Campbell on a bit of a diet to trim off some of the paunch, dye his hair (apart from the grey streak the character has/had), and then set it somewhere along the line - providing they go with the original 'down' ending to ED3.

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Also, I so don't care about seeing X-Men: The First Class. Likewise, I don't want to see a SM film without Maguire/Raimi. A reboot already is taking the piss.

While Nolan made Batman awesome again, it's awful how a bunch of fuckers just blurt out "Batman Begins!" as an all-powerful excuse to reboot/prequel freaking anything and everything.

They do it because Batman Begins was jaw droppingly awesome and honestly after the 2 fucks up known as Batman Forever and Batman and Robin, no one thought anyone could save the franchise.

[capncnut]

The Spidey flicks are okay, I guess...

I'm kinda happy Raimi dropped out tbh. Now he can go back to doing what he does best; lovely low budget horror flicks, cheap gags, and 'boffo stunts'. It's Murder!, Clockwork, and Within The Woods like a motherfucker, yo! :D

[bassman]

They do it because Batman Begins was jaw droppingly awesome and honestly after the 2 fucks up known as Batman Forever and Batman and Robin, no one thought anyone could save the franchise.

Say what you will....but Batman Forever is enjoyable in it's own way. In fact...it reminds me of the Spiderman flicks. Just enough cheese but not too OTT. I like it.:shifty:

I used to hate it as much as B&R, but I recently went back and watched the box set and I liked it...

[Danny]

im gonna come out and say it. i love the dark knight, watched it on bluray the other day and its superb. but i dont like the first one. no major complaints but its another origin story that didnt need to be all of that. the beggining in gotham when his father tells him about the trams and stuff was great but do we need this big rise up?, its fucking batman, show me someone who knows who bruce wayne is and doesnt know about his parents getting shot. say what you will about tim burtons batman, and i think it rocks still, but that showed batman how he should have started out. a boogeyman, a shadow. it was like a comic book come to life. batman begins had the chance to show him as the super hero he is, the worlds greatest detective, and instead we get a ninja. it just felt off to me.
I reckon i would have to say my favourite super hero origins on film are tony stark in iron man, peter parker in spiderman and clark kent in superman. and i know supermans origin is easily more famous than batman, but supermans is like a the closest thing popculture has to mythology, its one of those stories that warranted telling as more than a plot device to get him to become the superhero in the third act. the story of the last son of krypton really did warrant telling the way it did. but for batman you need to show him as the guy who tracks down criminals as well as fights them. they always say batmans greatest strength is his mind, not his martial arts and we dont see that much in the flicks really and it kinda sucks.

BATMAN TANGENT!:lol:

[bassman]

The detective work made up a HUGE portion of TDK. Maybe you should watch it again. It's definitely the most detective work done in a batman film to date.

[Danny]

The detective work made up a HUGE portion of TDK. Maybe you should watch it again. It's definitely the most detective work done in a batman film to date.

aside from the testing to rebuild the bullet it all felt like it was trying to be like a bond film. or homaging something like the bat-radar. though like i said, great flick but he still seemed like he was just using his money to get all his wonderful toys.

where from?, no one knows.:D

[bassman]

Are you asking where he gets his gadgets? Wayne Enterprises and Lucious Fox. Was this not obvious?....

As for the detective work....there is much more than just the bullet thing. Bruce doing work during the day before the hospital bombing, radiated bills, studying Dent and joker in the new batcave, stakeout on LSI Holdings(japan) with Fox, developing the Sonar(not seen but hinted at), etc etc. Quite a bit of work compared to all films that have come before.

[darth los]

I liked Spidey 3. Hey, sue me.


I'm with you.

But then again again i like alot of movies that are unpopular around here.
( Dawn 04', cough..)

We shall face the firing squad together ! :shifty:

:cool:

[blind2d]

We sure are cinema nerds, huh? So yeah, I agree that Spidey 3 wasn't as good as the other two, (which rank about the same for me), the third and fourth batman movies (wait... no, there's the one from the early days... whatever, the ones with robin in the 90s) were shit, and superman movies... are irrelevant. In any case, I hope Campbell does more Army of Darkness.

[DjfunkmasterG]

im gonna come out and say it. i love the dark knight, watched it on bluray the other day and its superb. but i dont like the first one. no major complaints but its another origin story that didnt need to be all of that. the beggining in gotham when his father tells him about the trams and stuff was great but do we need this big rise up?, its fucking batman, show me someone who knows who bruce wayne is and doesnt know about his parents getting shot. say what you will about tim burtons batman, and i think it rocks still, but that showed batman how he should have started out. a boogeyman, a shadow. it was like a comic book come to life. batman begins had the chance to show him as the super hero he is, the worlds greatest detective, and instead we get a ninja. it just felt off to me.
I reckon i would have to say my favourite super hero origins on film are tony stark in iron man, peter parker in spiderman and clark kent in superman. and i know supermans origin is easily more famous than batman, but supermans is like a the closest thing popculture has to mythology, its one of those stories that warranted telling as more than a plot device to get him to become the superhero in the third act. the story of the last son of krypton really did warrant telling the way it did. but for batman you need to show him as the guy who tracks down criminals as well as fights them. they always say batmans greatest strength is his mind, not his martial arts and we dont see that much in the flicks really and it kinda sucks.

BATMAN TANGENT!:lol:

Thats the point of a reboot, not too mention, Nolan did something Burton and no one else ever did, it showed the human side of his parents, and Nolan made the audience connect with the father/son dynamic so when his parents were killed and bruce went through all the stuff as an adult you were behind him 100% when he decided to become BATMAN.

This is most likely why I prefer Batman Begins of the The Dark Knight. BB was a great way of making you forget there were 4 other Batman films. The realistic feel of the movie was something done very effectively, while Singer was the first to do it, Nolan did it better.

[MinionZombie]

Of course, the one really big bummer about all of this, is that we'll never get to see Bruce Campbell in a "bigger role" in Spidey 4.

Although if it means we get him in Evil Dead 4 *crosses fingers, shuts eyes, and says "PLEASE!" a lot*, then I'll let it slide.

[mista_mo]

Thats the point of a reboot, not too mention, Nolan did something Burton and no one else ever did, it showed the human side of his parents, and Nolan made the audience connect with the father/son dynamic so when his parents were killed and bruce went through all the stuff as an adult you were behind him 100% when he decided to become BATMAN.


"See son, having lots of money is awesome, I help poor people, I love you son."

Yep, really deep.

[bassman]

"See son, having lots of money is awesome, I help poor people, I love you son."

Yep, really deep.

Come on, mo. There was more to it than that. The monorail "uniting the city", the stethoscope, "Why do we fall son?", leaving the company in hands of "more interested men", "All animals feel fear", "Don't be afraid, bruce", etc.

Most of Batman Begins' story hinges on Thomas Wayne...

[krakenslayer]

Of course, the one really big bummer about all of this, is that we'll never get to see Bruce Campbell in a "bigger role" in Spidey 4.

Although if it means we get him in Evil Dead 4 *crosses fingers, shuts eyes, and says "PLEASE!" a lot*, then I'll let it slide.

Agreed on all points :(:|:);)

[darth los]

Here's a cool little supplement to the thread. Definitely some interesting ideas. It's hit and miss. What I can Agree with though is NO MORE ORIGIN STORIES !!

http://comics.ign.com/articles/106/1060526p1.html

:cool:

[DjfunkmasterG]

Come on, mo. There was more to it than that. The monorail "uniting the city", the stethoscope, "Why do we fall son?", leaving the company in hands of "more interested men", "All animals feel fear", "Don't be afraid, bruce", etc.

Most of Batman Begins' story hinges on Thomas Wayne...

Thanks Bassman... That pretty much says everything I wanted to say. i guess Mo isn't into those types of MOMENTS in a film and may find them a bit cliched or irrelevant.

[Danny]

Of course, the one really big bummer about all of this, is that we'll never get to see Bruce Campbell in a "bigger role" in Spidey 4.

Although if it means we get him in Evil Dead 4 *crosses fingers, shuts eyes, and says "PLEASE!" a lot*, then I'll let it slide.

actually rumours keep going round that hes gonna be in the warcraft movie cameo'ing as a certain mr. L. Jenkins.;)

[MinionZombie]

actually rumours keep going round that hes gonna be in the warcraft movie cameo'ing as a certain mr. L. Jenkins.;)
You are joking, right? :shifty:

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Speaking of that, there's a deleted scene (that they really should have kept, like the other deleted scenes - amazingly) in Monsters VS Aliens where Rogen's character busts through a window, mucking up a planned attack, and screams "Leroy Jenkins!" ... funny as fook.