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SRP76
16-Mar-2010, 07:10 PM
This is wonky. They're trying to change school texts to have a "lean".

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100315/ts_ynews/ynews_ts1253


The nation’s public school curriculum may be in for a Texas-sized overhaul, if the Lone Star state’s influential recommendations for changes to social studies, economics and history textbooks are fully ratified later this spring. Last Friday, in a 10-to-5 vote split right down party lines, the Texas State Board of Education approved some controversial right-leaning alterations to what most students in the state—and by extension, in much of the rest of the country—will be studying as received historical and social-scientific wisdom. After a public comment period, the board will vote on final recommendations in May.

Don McElroy, who leads the board’s powerful seven-member social conservative bloc, explained that the measure is a way of "adding balance" in the classroom, since "academia is skewed too far to the left." And the board's critics have labeled the move an attempt by political "extremists" to "promote their ideology."

The revised standards have far-reaching implications because Texas is a huge market leader in the school-textbook industry. The enormous print run for Texas textbooks leaves most districts in other states adopting the same course materials, so that the Texas School Board effectively spells out requirements for 80 percent of the nation’s textbook market. That means, for instance, that schools in left-leaning states like Oregon and Vermont could soon be teaching from textbooks that are short on references to Ted Kennedy but long on references to conservative activist Phyllis Schlafly.

Here are some of the other signal shifts that the Texas Board endorsed last Friday:

- A greater emphasis on “the conservative resurgence of the 1980s and 1990s.” This means not only increased favorable mentions of Schlafly, the founder of the antifeminist Eagle Forum, but also more discussion of the Moral Majority, the Heritage Foundation, the National Rifle Association and Newt Gingrich's Contract With America.

- A reduced scope for Latino history and culture. A proposal to expand such material in recognition of Texas’ rapidly growing Hispanic population was defeated in last week’s meetings—provoking one board member, Mary Helen Berlanga, to storm out in protest. "They can just pretend this is a white America and Hispanics don’t exist," she said of her conservative colleagues on the board. "They are rewriting history, not only of Texas but of the United States and the world."

- Changes in specific terminology. Terms that the board’s conservative majority felt were ideologically loaded are being retired. Hence, “imperialism” as a characterization of America’s modern rise to world power is giving way to “expansionism,” and “capitalism” is being dropped in economic material, in favor of the more positive expression “free market.” (The new recommendations stress the need for favorable depictions of America’s economic superiority across the board.)


- A more positive portrayal of Cold War anticommunism. Disgraced anticommunist crusader Joseph McCarthy, the Wisconsin senator censured by the Senate for his aggressive targeting of individual citizens and their civil liberties on the basis of their purported ties to the Communist Party, comes in for partial rehabilitation. The board recommends that textbooks refer to documents published since McCarthy’s death and the fall of the Soviet bloc that appear to show expansive Soviet designs to undermine the U.S. government.

- Language that qualifies the legacy of 1960s liberalism. Great Society programs such as Title IX—which provides for equal gender access to educational resources—and affirmative action, intended to remedy historic workplace discrimination against African-Americans, are said to have created adverse “unintended consequences” in the curriculum’s preferred language.


- Thomas Jefferson no longer included among writers influencing the nation’s intellectual origins. Jefferson, a deist who helped pioneer the legal theory of the separation of church and state, is not a model founder in the board’s judgment. Among the intellectual forerunners to be highlighted in Jefferson’s place: medieval Catholic philosopher St. Thomas Aquinas, Puritan theologian John Calvin and conservative British law scholar William Blackstone. Heavy emphasis is also to be placed on the founding fathers having been guided by strict Christian beliefs.

- Excision of recent third-party presidential candidates Ralph Nader (from the left) and Ross Perot (from the centrist Reform Party). Meanwhile, the recommendations include an entry listing Confederate General Stonewall Jackson as a role model for effective leadership, and a statement from Confederate President Jefferson Davis accompanying a speech by U.S. President Abraham Lincoln.

- A recommendation to include country and western music among the nation’s important cultural movements. The popular black genre of hip-hop is being dropped from the same list.

None of these proposals has met with final ratification from the board—that vote will come in May, after a prolonged period of public comment on the recommendations. Still, the conservatives clearly feel like the bulk of their work is done; after the 120-page draft was finalized last Friday, Republican board member Terri Leo declared that it was "world class" and "exceptional."

—Brett Michael Dykes is a national affairs writer for Yahoo! News


Now, I don't give a shit about the "my views are the best/fuck communism/you're a liberal/it's a police state" rants that are going to erupt on this. They are irrelevant.

My question is, when did this shit become common?! I'm not exactly Methuselah, so it had to be recent. When I went to school, there was NO political slant in any of our texts. And that was the early 1990s. NOT World War I era.

Example: when you opened my history book to any point, you got simple, straightforward facts only. As in, "Joe Blow invented the stumpknocker. He was born in 1223 in Pussylick, a village in the south of France. His initial version of the stumpknocker was sold at market on July 16, 1241. He died in 1242, having made only 3 stumpknocker sales." Period. Just dry data.

When, and, more importantly, WHY did this format change? There's no need for any interpretation or opinion or slant. Just state the fucking events, places, people. Let the people in philosophy classes put their own spins on what they read. History students need nothing to do with it.

Tricky
16-Mar-2010, 07:49 PM
Thats been happening in British schools for a long time now, historic facts being warped so that it makes history look more ideal & EU friendly, or even worse not bothering to teach kids important things at all, like they dont teach about world war 1 & 2, the gunpowder plot, the wars of the roses or anything like that now so that British kids now have no real idea about why we have bonfire night or what the battle of trafalgar were about etc & what being British really means, its shocking but will only get worse due to successive hand wringing governments & the EU :( It may be very tin foil hattish of me to suggest this but I strongly believe its been an attempt to disolve our national identity & also to keep the current government in power

JDFP
16-Mar-2010, 07:52 PM
History has always been heavily influenced by politics and religion and will probably always remain that way. You're not going to be taught the same historic events in the same light in a public school that you would at a Catholic parochial school or an LDS History class. As far as dry events: as someone who studied history, I have my B.A. in it, they are useless in the long run. Who cares what year so-and-so was born in? Student's aren't going to remember it after the test anyway. It's the big events that matter and the importance of the events that shaped "We the people" as well as the rest of the world. It's not as important for someone to remember who began Glasnost/Perestroika so much as it is for someone to know what these concepts were and why they are important.

The good history teachers/professors out there will be phased very little by textbooks anyway as the majority of them use it only as a secondary source and focus on primary source documentation first and foremost (as they should; at least the good teachers/professors). The role of politics/religion in secondary school isn't going to be as prevalent (more latent if anything) as it is in college -- but, from personal perspective, college is PURE politics/religion when it comes to studying history (a bunch of flaming Leninist socialists who don't even attempt to hide their disdain towards America in many, many cases, though certainly not all professors are like this).

j.p.

Danny
16-Mar-2010, 08:05 PM
So there actually aiming to put spin on history now? anyone who wants to skew and opinionated anything like history or science in any school need a good spit in the face from every pupil whos future there altering because it doesnt suit there political agenda.

Just more stuff that shows politics is high school popularity contests first, taking care of the machinery of the nation second. liberal, democrat, this shit is always the fucking same nowadays regardless.

Purge
16-Mar-2010, 08:14 PM
As a Conservative myself, I have to say that I'm a tad pissed that some of them want to exclude Thomas Jefferson from some textbooks. That's inexcusable.

AcesandEights
16-Mar-2010, 08:16 PM
People are always spinning history, that's why it's best for school boards to have these conversation out in the open about curriculum changes and go through a rigorous vetting process.

But there's always going to be skewed perceptions and interpretations...shit, history is interpretive and the very definition of interpretation will tell you how naturally the problem will occur. Of course there's ways to minimize it and go for objectivity etc. but it doesn't seem like it would be easy.

I wonder what Mike would have to say about this...

darth los
16-Mar-2010, 08:30 PM
People are always spinning history, that's why it's best for school boards to have these conversation out in the open about curriculum changes and go through a rigorous vetting process.

But there's always going to skewed perceptions and interpretations...shit, history is interpretive and the very definition of interpretation will tell you how naturally the problem will occur. Of course there's ways to minimize it and go for objectivity etc. but it doesn't seem like it would be easy.

I wonder what Mike would have to say about this...

Dude, that's why they call it HIS-story.


But all anyone has to do is look at the vote which was right down party lines, which is the most disconcerting thing to me.

That's all votes ever are nowdays, just look at the U.S. Senate.

:cool:

Arcades057
16-Mar-2010, 09:29 PM
Meh, politicial skewing has been in text books for quite some time, but just on the DL. History now teaches us that we derive our freedoms as Americans from the Bill of Rights, rather than the truth which is "we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are... endowed with certain inalienable rights..."

The Bill of Rights innumerates those rights, it does not guarantee them. Whem a government grants you rights, that government can strip you of them. The US constitution, in a fact little-known or talked about outside of loony rightwingers like myself, bars the government from taking your rights, it does not GIVE you anything that you do not already have from birth.

Another fun fact about schooling is the alteration of definitions of the phrase "the People" between amendments. In all amendments "the People" means "citizens of the United States." Somehow over time "the People" in the 2nd Amendment has come to mean "the National Guard." While this is fine with some people, if taken in a historical context it could provide the precedent to allow "the People" in the 1st Amendment to mean "the press" or "the senate/congress."

Some of the best civic education out there comes from reading books like The Real Thomas Jefferson, The Real George Washington, or the 5000 Year Leap. You read books like that, where the Founders explained the meaning of the Amendments amongst themselves and their own thoughts on the nation, and you begin to realize that what we "know" today about things like the right to bear arms and the separation of church and state are very incorrect in their current meanings.

(PROTIP: 2nd Amendment applies to ALL citizens of the United States and CANNOT be altered/changed/reduced/abridged/infringed, and the separation between church and state simply means that government will form or support no state religion; it says nothing in there about no prayer in schools, and in fact the Founders believed that prayer SHOULD BE in schools due to the moral benefit to the students)

Exatreides
17-Mar-2010, 02:49 AM
Thats cool Arc, I'm glad you mentioned that... But no one has really talked about the second amendment or the first or anything like that...

This hopefully passes over. Or a better solution

We can just give Texas back to Mexico, I say in exchange for Cuzamel. Its much nicer.

blind2d
17-Mar-2010, 02:52 AM
Nah man, we need Texas! They got.... Austin! It's got one of the best skateparks in the country! ...other than that... um.... the Alamo! ...uh.... Calculator factories! ....uh... NASA?

Exatreides
17-Mar-2010, 03:03 AM
All that stuff can be moved to North Dakota anyway, they need some attention.

Arcades057
17-Mar-2010, 04:34 AM
Damn Yankees, show some love for the Lone Star State.

blind2d
17-Mar-2010, 05:15 AM
Hmm... that's true... not much in North Dakota, huh?
Yankees? I'm from Virginia. I don't know if that qualifies...

Exatreides
17-Mar-2010, 05:19 AM
Damn Yankees...Well I just have
this to say
(http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_won_the_U.S._Civil_War)

Arcades057
17-Mar-2010, 08:37 AM
Damn Yankees...Well I just have
this to say
(http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_won_the_U.S._Civil_War)

More damn northern lies from the damn Yankees!

http://www.treygarrison.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/squidbillies1.jpg

Skippy911sc
17-Mar-2010, 03:56 PM
I have never been a real big fan of The Damn Yankees... ;)

History is written by the victors. A good teacher should look past all this nonsense, but it is disconcerting that in a time when education levels seem to be falling we have a small group of people who decide what most of our kids will learn. Whats next? Maybe they can change math so that 1+1=3. They get enough people together they will tell us about what a great orator W was. :)

The more right we move the more the center looks like the left.

darth los
17-Mar-2010, 04:27 PM
I have never been a real big fan of The Damn Yankees... ;)

History is written by the victors. A good teacher should look past all this nonsense, but it is disconcerting that in a time when education levels seem to be falling we have a small group of people who decide what most of our kids will learn. Whats next? Maybe they can change math so that 1+1=3. They get enough people together they will tell us about what a great orator W was. :)

The more right we move the more the center looks like the left.


When a group feels threatened they tend to try and exert their influence outward. This country is getting browner by the day, and thus less republican, and we are witnessing a resistance to that with things like this and the tea bagger movement.


Dubya used to say that his job was to keep repeating things until we "get" it, whether it's true or not. That actually works with some people.

:cool:

blind2d
17-Mar-2010, 06:27 PM
tea bagger movement?

darth los
17-Mar-2010, 06:33 PM
tea bagger movement?

google is a wonderful thing my friend. ;)

:cool:

Arcades057
17-Mar-2010, 07:15 PM
tea bagger movement?

An anti-big government movement which got its start under Bush and has only been getting bigger under Obama. They're supposed to be non-partisan, but, since the President is a democrat, they have a lot more republicans than democrats.

blind2d
18-Mar-2010, 03:28 AM
i see...

Publius
18-Mar-2010, 10:40 AM
tea bagger movement?

That's actually a vulgar slur. They call themselves the "Tea Party" movement, after the Boston Tea Party. Their critics turned the name into a crude sexual reference. But that's the level of political discourse these days.

Exatreides
18-Mar-2010, 06:30 PM
it was a sexual thing long before it became a political movement

Here's a demonstration in columbus. Where some teabaggers threw money at a man with Parkinsons disease and told him he's in he wrong part of town for hand outs.
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/multimedia/video/video.html?video=949486

Publius
19-Mar-2010, 01:36 AM
it was a sexual thing long before it became a political movement


Right, that's the point. They called themselves the "Tea Party movement." Their critics started calling them the "teabagger movement," after a pre-existing vulgarity. Pretty immature, if you ask me.