Terran
20-May-2010, 09:23 PM
Initially this was going to be a response within the Rand Paul thread.
In that thread I made a comment that its hard to take the Tea-Party seriously with the various craziness associated with them. I used various protest signs of Tea-Party supporters to illustrate this.
Publius then responded
Yeah, but that pretty much boils down to it being hard to support any political movement. Because pretty much any political rally you care to go to, whatever part of the political spectrum, will have some loons carrying outrageous signs that you can single out
Publius providing various signs used by people protesting former President Bush as an example.
Initially the first thing I wrote was this:
Yeah the signs and imagery are very similar. And I would agree that those anti-Bush signs make the Tea-Party signs look tame.
To be fair we should really put these events and protests in prospective…….
It was immediately after I wrote that last line down that I no longer felt it was fair to compare these two movements and the shared imagery that they used.
To remind my lovely audience what two movements and shared imagery I am referring to.
Group 1)Bush Protesters. Imagery: Bush portrayed as Hitler
Group 2)Obama Protesters. Imagery. Obama portrayed as Hitler
As noticed by JDFP:
Funny though, people complained about being too extreme and then voted into office the most radical liberal president the nation has ever had [Obama]. Ah, the swinging pendulum in action!
That old saying popped into my head as it relates to this Protesters.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
It seems like this applies to a lot of people.
Not only does it seem that general public does not remember the past, they seem to prefer reinventions of history. Especially if such reinventions validates groups or ideologies that the public identifies with.
Bush protest-imagery in perspective (limiting details due to space):
Brief History
Bush Family achieved wealth through the Petroleum industry (domestic and some offshore platforms)
George Herbert Walker Bush Presidency
Persian Gulf War directly threatens family fortune. Resulting OPEC pressure threatens entire United States economy and way of life.
Saddam Hussein’s Iraqi forces are removed from Kuwait. Despite pressure from OPEC nations George H. W. Bush stops short of overthrowing Iraqi government quoted saying that such actions would "incur incalculable human and political costs.... We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq."
Enter George Walker Bush presidency
9/11 attack occurs.
Economy is threatened
Administration assigns attributes to these attackers. “Islamic radicals” the perpetrators
Declares war on “Terrorism”
Administration and political party uses strong nationalism and ideological supremacy as a tool to achieve re-elections and increases the governments power.
Patriot Act adopted (contents of which violate the constitution)
Invasion of Afghanistan
Invasion of Iraq
Purposes of Invasions to eliminate the Islamic radicals threat
Conveniently enough the bulk share of the benefactors of these actions were campaign contributors.
Enter the Anti War Protestors with Nazi Imagery:
Many of those people were reacting to their President starting a war.
So a lot of their imagery for protest would naturally be things related to past wars, more specifically "universal" villains of these wars (IE Hilter).
Its necessary to point out that the "war" Bush declared was not directed at country.
Rather a vague conceptual war against "terror”, put simply people that are threats to our society and way of life and general prosperity.
Bush would say "Our 'war on terror' begins with al Qaeda, but it does not end there. It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated.”
These terrorists groups target just happen to be militant Islamists who threaten our access to OPEC oil.
"If you not with us, your against us!" and that harboring people or groups that the USA labels as terrorist is equivent to being part of the terrorist group.
Is there portrayal of Bush as Hitler reasonable in respects to their Anti-War protest?
How do these events compare?
Then the Great Depression hit Germany.
Economy is devastated
Hitler/Nazis declared that Jewish financiers around the world had/were actively conspiring to drive the nations of the world into war so that they could convert the world to communism.
Exploiting the German population's general ignorance, Hitler and the Nazis used nationalism and racialism to convince the public that these Jewish financiers were active unprovoked aggressors, literally attacking their nation's and way of life.
As the economy improved and support began to dwindle the Nazis manufactured numerous terrorists acts and attributed them to the various enemies they had so actively campaigned against.
Without using the actual term Hitler and the Nazis had labeled Jewish financiers as Global Terrorists.
Conveniently enough the bulk share of financing for the Nazi Party, specifically Hitler's political campaigns were paid for directly by German Bankers.
“Jewish Bankers are Terrorists!
This message paid for by the Foundation of German Bankers”.
Politically, the more fear and urgency the Nazi political party generated over this issue the secure they became, and the more powers they were awarded:
Powers like:
Enabling Act (In as few words as possible this abolished the separation of powers. Essentially violating Germany’s Constitution).
Established a One Party System.
The Nazi political party internally discussed how to respond to the 'Jewish Question'.
Meaning that the political party was determining how to geopolitically respond to these "Global Terrorists"
The proposed extermination of this group was euphemistically referred to as the "Final Solution to the 'Jewish Question'".
Effectively declaring “If you are not with us, you are against us”
The rest as they say “is history” the Nazis went about trying to round up all these “terrorists” while destroying the governments that harbored them. And failed.
Summarizing.
From an Anti-war protest perspective the depiction of Bush as Hitler and his various associates as Nazis carries a distinct message.
The apparent protesters message was.
Bush is furnishing the fears of; economic uncertainty, mutual hatred, and the loss of national sovereignty to the point were declarations of war and military action feel like self defense....[B]Just Like Hitler.
And to the slower minded people in the group
"Hitler is bad mKay, this means Bush=Bad
I am running out of space here...but the Tea-Party Obama depictions.
Someone give me some ideas to what the Tea-Party people are trying to say?
Depiction of Obama as Hitler?...In some cases Depicting him as Osama Bin Laden.
You hear the Tea-Party people throw out "Socialist" and the whole world government thing.
Then they seem connecting Socialism to the Nazis and Nazis to Hitler...
Someone help me out
(UG Im tired of working on this....cant proofread or squeeze in any more details):skull:
In that thread I made a comment that its hard to take the Tea-Party seriously with the various craziness associated with them. I used various protest signs of Tea-Party supporters to illustrate this.
Publius then responded
Yeah, but that pretty much boils down to it being hard to support any political movement. Because pretty much any political rally you care to go to, whatever part of the political spectrum, will have some loons carrying outrageous signs that you can single out
Publius providing various signs used by people protesting former President Bush as an example.
Initially the first thing I wrote was this:
Yeah the signs and imagery are very similar. And I would agree that those anti-Bush signs make the Tea-Party signs look tame.
To be fair we should really put these events and protests in prospective…….
It was immediately after I wrote that last line down that I no longer felt it was fair to compare these two movements and the shared imagery that they used.
To remind my lovely audience what two movements and shared imagery I am referring to.
Group 1)Bush Protesters. Imagery: Bush portrayed as Hitler
Group 2)Obama Protesters. Imagery. Obama portrayed as Hitler
As noticed by JDFP:
Funny though, people complained about being too extreme and then voted into office the most radical liberal president the nation has ever had [Obama]. Ah, the swinging pendulum in action!
That old saying popped into my head as it relates to this Protesters.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
It seems like this applies to a lot of people.
Not only does it seem that general public does not remember the past, they seem to prefer reinventions of history. Especially if such reinventions validates groups or ideologies that the public identifies with.
Bush protest-imagery in perspective (limiting details due to space):
Brief History
Bush Family achieved wealth through the Petroleum industry (domestic and some offshore platforms)
George Herbert Walker Bush Presidency
Persian Gulf War directly threatens family fortune. Resulting OPEC pressure threatens entire United States economy and way of life.
Saddam Hussein’s Iraqi forces are removed from Kuwait. Despite pressure from OPEC nations George H. W. Bush stops short of overthrowing Iraqi government quoted saying that such actions would "incur incalculable human and political costs.... We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq."
Enter George Walker Bush presidency
9/11 attack occurs.
Economy is threatened
Administration assigns attributes to these attackers. “Islamic radicals” the perpetrators
Declares war on “Terrorism”
Administration and political party uses strong nationalism and ideological supremacy as a tool to achieve re-elections and increases the governments power.
Patriot Act adopted (contents of which violate the constitution)
Invasion of Afghanistan
Invasion of Iraq
Purposes of Invasions to eliminate the Islamic radicals threat
Conveniently enough the bulk share of the benefactors of these actions were campaign contributors.
Enter the Anti War Protestors with Nazi Imagery:
Many of those people were reacting to their President starting a war.
So a lot of their imagery for protest would naturally be things related to past wars, more specifically "universal" villains of these wars (IE Hilter).
Its necessary to point out that the "war" Bush declared was not directed at country.
Rather a vague conceptual war against "terror”, put simply people that are threats to our society and way of life and general prosperity.
Bush would say "Our 'war on terror' begins with al Qaeda, but it does not end there. It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated.”
These terrorists groups target just happen to be militant Islamists who threaten our access to OPEC oil.
"If you not with us, your against us!" and that harboring people or groups that the USA labels as terrorist is equivent to being part of the terrorist group.
Is there portrayal of Bush as Hitler reasonable in respects to their Anti-War protest?
How do these events compare?
Then the Great Depression hit Germany.
Economy is devastated
Hitler/Nazis declared that Jewish financiers around the world had/were actively conspiring to drive the nations of the world into war so that they could convert the world to communism.
Exploiting the German population's general ignorance, Hitler and the Nazis used nationalism and racialism to convince the public that these Jewish financiers were active unprovoked aggressors, literally attacking their nation's and way of life.
As the economy improved and support began to dwindle the Nazis manufactured numerous terrorists acts and attributed them to the various enemies they had so actively campaigned against.
Without using the actual term Hitler and the Nazis had labeled Jewish financiers as Global Terrorists.
Conveniently enough the bulk share of financing for the Nazi Party, specifically Hitler's political campaigns were paid for directly by German Bankers.
“Jewish Bankers are Terrorists!
This message paid for by the Foundation of German Bankers”.
Politically, the more fear and urgency the Nazi political party generated over this issue the secure they became, and the more powers they were awarded:
Powers like:
Enabling Act (In as few words as possible this abolished the separation of powers. Essentially violating Germany’s Constitution).
Established a One Party System.
The Nazi political party internally discussed how to respond to the 'Jewish Question'.
Meaning that the political party was determining how to geopolitically respond to these "Global Terrorists"
The proposed extermination of this group was euphemistically referred to as the "Final Solution to the 'Jewish Question'".
Effectively declaring “If you are not with us, you are against us”
The rest as they say “is history” the Nazis went about trying to round up all these “terrorists” while destroying the governments that harbored them. And failed.
Summarizing.
From an Anti-war protest perspective the depiction of Bush as Hitler and his various associates as Nazis carries a distinct message.
The apparent protesters message was.
Bush is furnishing the fears of; economic uncertainty, mutual hatred, and the loss of national sovereignty to the point were declarations of war and military action feel like self defense....[B]Just Like Hitler.
And to the slower minded people in the group
"Hitler is bad mKay, this means Bush=Bad
I am running out of space here...but the Tea-Party Obama depictions.
Someone give me some ideas to what the Tea-Party people are trying to say?
Depiction of Obama as Hitler?...In some cases Depicting him as Osama Bin Laden.
You hear the Tea-Party people throw out "Socialist" and the whole world government thing.
Then they seem connecting Socialism to the Nazis and Nazis to Hitler...
Someone help me out
(UG Im tired of working on this....cant proofread or squeeze in any more details):skull: