U.S. border patrol comes under fire

[acealive1]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100609/ap_on_re_us/us_border_patrol_shooting





i swear, we have the only border where people whine about how we stop people..... no matter if they egged us on or not..... kinda fucked up.


it's like someone criticizing you about beating some guy half to death for trying to climb in your window.

[darth los]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100609/ap_on_re_us/us_border_patrol_shooting





i swear, we have the only border where people whine about how we stop people..... no matter if they egged us on or not..... kinda fucked up.


it's like someone criticizing you about beating some guy half to death for trying to climb in your window.


First off I'm hispanic. But I'm also a United States citizen And it bothers me that so many illegals are here a well.

Imo, we need to have a hard border. It is our right as a sovereign nation. Anyone caught should be shot on site and we would be totally justified, imo.

The problem is they'll never do that because the the republicans like the cheap labor and the democrats love the likely future voters they will produce.

Just like the guns and drugs coming into this country. They can stop it they want to but it's in their best interests to let it go on.

:cool:

[acealive1]

First off I'm hispanic. But I'm also a United States citizen And it bothers me that so many illegals are here a well.

Imo, we need to have a hard border. It is our right as a sovereign nation. Anyone caught should be shot on site and we would be totally juatified, imo.

The problem is they'll never do that because the the republicans like the cheap labor and the democrats love the likely future voters they will produce.

Just like the guns and drugs coming into this country. They can stop it they want to but it's in their best interests to let it go on.

:cool:


amen to all that.

[BillyRay]

Well, when our Border Patrol is killing kids for throwing rocks, I can understand people "whining" about it.

But then again we have to protect ourselves against illegal human beings, right?

[acealive1]

doesn't matter if they're kids. the border agents are trigger happy as it is. i was at the canadian border last year and got within 15 feet of one to ask where the duty free shop was. he had HIS HAND ON HIS GUN!


so what do u think an agent is gonna do if someone is running towards the fence and or throwing rocks at him?

[slickwilly13]

Ever been hit in the head with a rock?

[bassman]

When is the border patrol NOT under fire? They're about the same as Abortion Clinics. Because opinions of what they do are so divided, they're always going to get shit thrown at them from every direction.

[BillyRay]

Wall Street Journal's take:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704256604575294950172855306.html?m od=googlenews_wsj

NPR's:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127577713


so what do u think an agent is gonna do if someone is running towards the fence and or throwing rocks at him?

There are non-lethal ways to subdue people. Even with a firearm.

[acealive1]

Ever been hit in the head with a rock?



the city i live in is VERY racially charged. what do u think?

[darth los]

the city i live in is VERY racially charged. what do u think?

Yeah, i hear ohio's a bitch.

Question: The new racist arizona law has hispanics leaving the state in droves and I'm talking legal ones because they just don't want to have to deal with that shit. Why would you stay in a place where they obviously don't want brown people?

Come over to New york, the water's fine dude.


When is the border patrol NOT under fire? They're about the same as Abortion Clinics. Because opinions of what they do are so divided, they're always going to get shit thrown at them from every direction.

It seems as if there is an anti gov't sentiment all over now days, especially against the feds. I hear even census workers, temp jobs mind you, were having a rough go of it as well.

:cool:

[slickwilly13]

the city i live in is VERY racially charged. what do u think?

Actually bro, that was at BillyRay.

[BillyRay]

Actually bro, that was at BillyRay.


Ever been hit in the head with a rock?

>sigh<....No.

No, I have never been hit in the head with a rock.

I'm not a Border Patrol officer, either. Does that mean it's okay to fatally shoot a 14-year old, who may not have even been among the group throwing rocks?

[darth los]

>sigh<....No.

No, I have never been hit in the head with a rock.

I'm not a Border Patrol officer, either. Does that mean it's okay to fatally shoot a 14-year old, who may not have even been among the group throwing rocks?


No. But you have to know the situation.

You might not mean any harm but try climbing the white house fence and ask Obama a question. You will be shot on site. No questions asked.

The border is a similar sort of shot on site zone.

:cool:

[SRP76]

If you don't go anywhere around the armed border patrol guys, where you have no business being anyway, you probably won't get shot. But that's too simple I guess.

[darth los]

If you don't go anywhere around the armed border patrol guys, where you have no business being anyway, you probably won't get shot. But that's too simple I guess.


Exactly my point.

It's like a guy the police tell to "freeze" and he suddenly wants to reach in his pocket and text someone.

Don't do dumb shit and you wont get shot 41 times.

:cool:

[Terran]

Just like the guns and drugs coming into this country. They can stop it they want to but it's in their best interests to let it go on.

:cool:

Its impossible to stop the drugs....

[darth los]

Its impossible to stop the drugs....

Because in the end, people want to get high.

That's always been the case and always will be.

Adults should be able to make those decisions for themselves, imo.

:cool:

[Terran]

Im sure youve heard about the cocaine submarines right?

[BillyRay]

No. But you have to know the situation.

You might not mean any harm but try climbing the white house fence and ask Obama a question. You will be shot on site. No questions asked.

The border is a similar sort of shot on site zone.



Your analogy seems a little appley-orangey to me, Darth ol' buddy.

Look, I understand that undocumented immigration puts extra pressure on an already strapped social services network. I also realise that not everybody sneaking over the border is looking for honest work and a better future for their families. There's smugglers and criminals sneaking over too. And the Border Patrol has an extremely difficult job trying to stem the tide.

But shoot on sight? Is that really our best option?

Maybe I'm just being a bleeding heart.

Wacky idea:
Couldn't we just, y'know, work with the Mexican government?

If Mexico is such a shithole that hordes of people are streaming across the border, shouldn't we look at WHY Mexico is such a shithole? And maybe, MAYBE, work on actual solutions that don't involve barbed wire and shooting kids? Or maybe it's like you said, Darth:


They can stop it they want to but it's in their best interests to let it go on

I guess I just don't know what I'm talking about. :annoyed:

[Tricky]

I'm not a Border Patrol officer, either. Does that mean it's okay to fatally shoot a 14-year old, who may not have even been among the group throwing rocks?

If they're anything like these 14 year olds...
http://itdawnedonme.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/child-soldiers-in-the-drc.jpg

[acealive1]

If they're anything like these 14 year olds...
http://itdawnedonme.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/child-soldiers-in-the-drc.jpg


i gave u my story earlier, they're VERY touchy no matter what.

[Publius]

I'm not a Border Patrol officer, either. Does that mean it's okay to fatally shoot a 14-year old, who may not have even been among the group throwing rocks?

Of course not. But not much point in throwing around speculatory "may [not] have"s yet. I suspect video will be coming out eventually to shed more light on the situation.


Couldn't we just, y'know, work with the Mexican government?

Do they have any incentive to work with us? Have they shown any interest in doing so? If your idea of "actual solutions" means massive quantities of economic aid into their country, I'm sure THAT would be okay with them. That's just taking the position that we will absorb their economic problems into our economy one way or the other. Because that's the role we fill for them right now: a cash source and excess labor safety valve.

[Crappingbear]

Any of yall live on the border or in border states? If you don't or if you live in another country then you simly don't understand whats happening down here. I'm in Texas. I've been all along the border of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California and Mexico. We used to travel freely back and forth across the border to shop, work, party, have fun, vacation. No more: today the border towns are war zones and slaughterhouses. I was in Nogales awhile back in a park area and asked by the lady at the entrance if I was leaving before sunset. Nope. She asked if I was "prepared" (armed) and suggested I run a "cold camp" (no campfire and no lights).

In the old days, Coyotes would run illegals through and everyone turned a blind eye. Today, the Coyotes hold them hostage wanting payoffs from Mexico. They also are killing ranchers on the border who see them. Its gotten Wild West all over again while the local law enforcement is hamstrung by Washington. You guys can think what you will, but untill you get on horseback and stare at the flood across the Rio Grande and encourage the immigrants not to raid your farm, you don't know how it is.

[slickwilly13]

Any of yall live on the border or in border states? If you don't or if you live in another country then you simly don't understand whats happening down here. I'm in Texas. I've been all along the border of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California and Mexico. We used to travel freely back and forth across the border to shop, work, party, have fun, vacation. No more: today the border towns are war zones and slaughterhouses. I was in Nogales awhile back in a park area and asked by the lady at the entrance if I was leaving before sunset. Nope. She asked if I was "prepared" (armed) and suggested I run a "cold camp" (no campfire and no lights).

In the old days, Coyotes would run illegals through and everyone turned a blind eye. Today, the Coyotes hold them hostage wanting payoffs from Mexico. They also are killing ranchers on the border who see them. Its gotten Wild West all over again while the local law enforcement is hamstrung by Washington. You guys can think what you will, but untill you get on horseback and stare at the flood across the Rio Grande and encourage the immigrants not to raid your farm, you don't know how it is.

What he said. I have had all I can stand of them.

[DjfunkmasterG]

Why doesn't the US just buy Mexico, make it the 52nd state (since Puerto Rico is more or less the 51st) and then immigration problem solved. :D

[darth los]

It seems as if it's time to send the military down there and kick some ass.

Seriously.

:cool:

[Tricky]

Why doesn't the US just buy Mexico, make it the 52nd state (since Puerto Rico is more or less the 51st) and then immigration problem solved. :D

Would US taxpayers really want to splash out on bringing Mexico up to the standard of living most americans have though if that happened?

[Wyldwraith]

You know what,
The U.S is in BAD SHAPE. It's NOT OUR JOB to solve the problems of other countries. Simple as that. Argue whatever else you want, but that's the truth.

If you try to sneak into the U.S you are SCREWING US. I'm sick to death of all the PC-crap about integrating illegals, dumping tons of cash into social programs to help integrate them into our society...and all the other burdens shouldered by the taxpaying American Citizens because a less developed nation thinks they have a RIGHT to waltz into our country and basically raid our fridge and crash on our couch.

I'm for the Old West solution. Ie: A Deadline. Mark a line on each side of the border with HUGE warning signs, and a seven-foot-wide line of red paint on the ground.

Anyone who puts one stinking foot across the Deadline gets a high-powered rifle slug in their center mass, and are allowed 10 seconds to see if they can drag their ass back across their side of the Deadline. If they haven't done so in the allowed 10 Seconds, a second round to the head gets sent downrange.

Problem SOLVED. Bullets ARE CHEAPER than absorbing non-citizens into our country. We DO have a right to say "This is our turf, trespass and die". It's the very DEFINITION of the term Sovereign Nation.

If that doesn't do it, then we may have to resort to extreme measures and put in machine-gun/flamethrower pillboxes, land mines and roving sniper teams. Whatever it takes to pound home the message "Trespass And Die!"

[darth los]

If that doesn't do it, then we may have to resort to extreme measures

And the other stuff you described is not extreme? :lol:

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We DO have a right to say "This is our turf, trespass and die". It's the very DEFINITION of the term Sovereign Nation.



Agreed. You see these pro illegal immigrant advocates speak like they actually have a right to be here and kicking them out is inhumane.

:cool:

[AcesandEights]

Well, I'm all in favor for heavier militarization of the border and--as has been mentioned in previous conversation on the topic--the use of worker cards for non-citizens and the taxing of their wages/employers.

Mexico has an employment problem and the US, even despite economic issues at hand, has a glut in the labor market of certain types of jobs that most US citizens just won't take. More importantly, the US has an issue with our tax load and the advance of age of the average citizen. As our baby boomers continue to age and retire and live longer on average than ever before, we need more taxpayers to help support this.

Sure, a lot of people would say this would go farther towards turning the US into the equivalent of a gated community, but it would help both countries out. I know what some people want, a level playing field, but it's not going to happen...at least not for quite some time. It's going to get harder for the US and (the older member -countries of the) EU to maintain their respective current 1st world lifestyles, let alone bringing new countries up to that level, despite the EU basically promising to do so by it's inclusion of newer and newer member-countries.

Anyway, the best bet is shoring up the holes in the border, being tougher about the sovereignty of those borders and putting the influx of Mexican citizens into this country to some, legal use and allowing both parties to gain something. But none of this is possible without strong enforcement.

[rongravy]

They need to make a chip they can implant into peoples' brains/heads that they will get the FIRST time they get caught sneaking in. The SECOND time they try, a signal will detonate the bombchip and leave them headless.
Once heads start exploding, then they won't be so rambunctious...

[bassman]

We should take the idea from Michael McKean's character in Coneheads. All mexicans should wear a collar at all times and we plant one of those underground electric fences. :lol:

[SRP76]

Why doesn't the US just buy Mexico, make it the 52nd state (since Puerto Rico is more or less the 51st) and then immigration problem solved. :D

Because there aren't any Mexican real estate agents left in Mexico. They're all here someplace.

[darth los]

Another thing that's maddening to me and has to be to you guys as well is that for some fucked up reason if someone breaks the law and comes into this country illegally and then has a baby it's considered a U.S. citizen.

That just doesn't pass the smell test people.

But wait, it goes further. Then when their parents get threatened with deportation we have all these other organizations saying that it's inhumane to break up the family and that we just have to let their parents stay here as well.

WHAT

THE

FUCK?

Here's a vid from MSNBC with Tom Tancredo making a very good case on why the constitution should be changed in order to fix this. and let me tell you as a law student his reasoning isvery sound. Look for a test case to go before the supreme court very soon.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/37696161#37696161

:cool:

[SRP76]

That's why they're called anchor babies.

A real issue is when an illegal mates with an actual citizen. The offspring must be considered a legal citizen.

But with two illegals, fuck that. The kid is a citizen of whatever country its parents are citizens of. Like a math equation. Illegal + illegal = illegal.

[Danny]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/15/politics/main6583678.shtml

This guy thinks landmines across the border are a good idea.

not really, when have landmines ever been put in a place where innocent people arent killed by them? Let alone decades later when people forget where they are. Plus the moral implications of all the people who want a better life thrown in with the drug runners and such, sure there breaking the law to do it, but a guy wanting to make money for his family is a world away form a guy crossing the border to peddle his wares cut with god knows what to people and not giving a shit because there from another country y'know?

Plus ideas like this dont bare well for the u.s as a people. The u.s has become very xenophobic over the last 10 years, not without reason in some cases, but landmines across a borderline? if it continues that far where does it end in a centuries time? only english speakers? only people from 1st world countries? sentry turrets out in the sea instead of windmills? frankly its scary- for the american people, like theres only so far fear of the worst elements in a world society can go before its fear of everyone- and thats how north korea got the way it is.

I know that sounds crazy, but 20 years ago so did terrorists jacking planes and flying them into new york skyscrapers. I'd truly hate to see it but i could see states becoming more isolationist in the next century- look at stark differences like the new, and dodgy, arizona law that says cops can pull people over if they have dark skin (not worded that way of course, but they cant, its if you suspect from driving past they are immigrants- maybe they are wearing a sombrero or a turban :rolleyes:) compared to almost diametrically antithetical attempts to legalize same sex marriage. It all hints at the sort of segregation as certain people are drawn to certain areas where it almost seems like were on the way to the united states splintering into smaller more diverse english speaking countries with vasty different laws and social pretenses. Sounds farfetched but when your talking about landmining a border thats dangerously close to berlin wall territory y'know?

[Tricky]

At least you Americans have the land mass to put these illegals, Britain is a fraction of the size yet half the worlds dross, refugees, health tourists, criminals & terrorists turn up on our shores expecting a house, health care & benefits, and we just dont have the space for them all, nor want them! (please bear in mind I have no problem with immigrants who come here to integrate and contribute)

[Danny]

At least you Americans have the land mass to put these illegals, Britain is a fraction of the size yet half the worlds dross, refugees, health tourists, criminals & terrorists turn up on our shores expecting a house, health care & benefits, and we just dont have the space for them all, nor want them! (please bear in mind I have no problem with immigrants who come here to integrate and contribute)

Where else are they gonna get a decent steak pie or curry though, be fair bro.:lol:

[SRP76]

Plus ideas like this dont bare well for the u.s as a people. The u.s has become very xenophobic over the last 10 years, not without reason in some cases, but landmines across a borderline? if it continues that far where does it end in a centuries time? only english speakers? only people from 1st world countries? sentry turrets out in the sea instead of windmills? frankly its scary- for the american people, like theres only so far fear of the worst elements in a world society can go before its fear of everyone- and thats how north korea got the way it is.


You're missing the point. Most Americans have no problem with legal immigrants from anywhere. Non-English-speaking or otherwise. They just don't want people sneaking in.

Honestly, do you like it if some stranger sneaks into your garage and hangs out there uninvited? Probably not. That doesn't mean you're against someone coming over and knocking on your door to come in.

[Tricky]

Where else are they gonna get a decent steak pie or curry though, be fair bro.:lol:

Ha ha aye as a token of our Britishness we should treat them to a slap up meal consisting of either pie & mash or proper chip shop fish n chips, before putting them on a plane back to whence they came :lol:

[Terran]

Yeah why cant these masses of people just except their lot in life and just rot away in poverty and oppression. They are just so damn selfish...
:shifty:
:clown:
:annoyed:

[Danny]

Yeah why cant these masses of people just except their lot in life and just rot away in poverty and oppression. They are just so damn selfish...
:shifty:
:clown:
:annoyed:

because they have all the high qualifications to te'k yur j'u-000b.

i often worry some indian guy will ship over to my nexk of the woods with the same fine arts degree, then i would be truly fucked.:lol:

[clanglee]

Im sure youve heard about the cocaine submarines right?

Fastest subs there are!!

[Tricky]

Yeah why cant these masses of people just except their lot in life and just rot away in poverty and oppression. They are just so damn selfish...
:shifty:
:clown:
:annoyed:

Why cant they help themselves and make their own country a better place, rather than flocking to other countries in the hope of a free ride? Thats the problem we have in the UK with a lot of the immigrants we get, they come here with no qualifications & nothing to offer, but they expect to be housed, fed, clothed & looked after by the taxpayer of the host country and there comes a point where it just gets too much and too expensive, and builds resentment among those of us who have to work hard to get the things they get for free. Look at all the money we've spunked on Africa over the years, is that a better place for it?

[Terran]

Why cant they help themselves and make their own country a better place, rather than flocking to other countries in the hope of a free ride?.
Well in a lot of places their country is in a state of constant war.
The waring factions typically are fighting for control over resources even though they claim to be fighting over other issues.
Those resources destinations are typically larger or more dominant economic countries.

If all these people made their countries "a better" place one's way of life would be equally if not more so than by the immigrants alone. There would suddenly be more competition for all the resources if there were more people demanding them.


Imagine if all these people made their countries a "better place". Imagine all of China's 1.3 billion people, all of India's 1.6 billion people, and all of Africa's estimated 1 billion people succeeding in making their country a better place and having the same living standards as the UK.

Think of the strain this would have on resources....the price of everything would sky rocket.
Lets just say things occur peacefully in the world, what would happen to the buying power of the UK's 58 million people.


Look at all the money we've spunked on Africa over the years, is that a better place for it?

Yeah and look what your country and the world has gotten out of it.
Cheap labor
Cheap oil
Cheap diamonds (and other minerals gold, iron, cobalt, uranium, copper, bauxite, silver)
Cheap lumber (Ebene and many hardwoods)
Cheap Agriculture (cocoa, coffee, banana, orange, yams, pineapple)

What have they gotten out of it other than a handful of despots (corporate, foreign, and domestic) of various levels of cruelty, a country in perpetual turmoil as factions fight for control of these resources, and the poverty that follows these living conditions.

If the UK and other Industrialized nations did not benefit off of/exploit the various 'resource' nations of the world there would be little to no prosperty in the UK and other industrialized nations(ex.USA) to merit immigrants wanting to come here in the first place.


The metaphor I invision is that many of these immigrants legal and illegal are left with this option.
"I either slave away in a mine or sweat shop providing cheap goods to the industrialized countries of the world, or I sneak into those industrialized countries and benefit off those cheap goods"




The point really is that if any of us were in the shoes of these people we would want to flee our country too.
Once we get into a good situation or country it is only natural to oppose others trying to enter because there is only so many resources and only so many ways to benefit off of them. The more people the more our position to benefit off those resources is threatened.

[darth los]

3 words:

NOT.

OUR.

PROBLEM.

Sometimes you just can't save everyone. It's a harsh fact of life.

Do they have a right to seek a better lot in life? Of course they do.

Do we have a right to defend our borders any way we see fit? Of course we do.

Let's see who wins that one.

:cool:

[Terran]

3 words:

NOT.

OUR.

PROBLEM.

Sometimes you just can't save everyone. It's a harsh fact of life.

Do they have a right to seek a better lot in life? Of course they do.

Do we have a right to defend our borders any way we see fit? Of course we do.

Let's see who wins that one.

:cool:

Well in regards to "who wins that one"...everyone loses.

Many people will stop at nothing to "improve their lot in life" especially when they have nothing to lose but their life, which probably is not that great considering they are immigrating illegally.


How much money are we prepared to spend to protect our borders?
A billion?
10 billion?
Do we have the money?

How much power are we prepared to give to our government to ensure border security?
National Identity Cards?
Checkpoints?
Profiling?
Random Searches?
General increase in military/police presence?

How inhumane are we prepared to be to people whose crime equates to "seeking a better lot in life"?

Camps?
Prisons?
Executions?
Prohibitive displays of violence?


With these types of "solutions" looming it is somehow "Not Our Problem"?

Additionally how is it not our problem when our economic decisions are one of the strongest contributing factors to the state in which these countries are in?

Have you bought diamond jewelry?
Then your funding rape, genocide, civil unrest in various African countries.

Do you wear clothing?
Then your supporting sweatshops throughout the world.

Do you drive a gasoline/diesal car, use plastic products, or consume anything in which it relates to energy?
Then your causing the middle east situation and funding terrorism, in addition to putting various totalitarian governments into power. and a sprinkling of genocide, rape gangs, civil unrest.

Do you consume/use processed products with Starch or Sweeteners in it? (If you get food from a grocery store then you do) Or do you use corn oil/flower/meal? Or Drink Alcohol?

Well then you are contributing to the U.S. government corn subsidies. These subsidies have led to Mexican farms being jeopardized and is the force responsible for depressing the incomes of poor corn farmers.



The point is our actions have consequences...so I do not see how anything that occurs in a country that we do business with is "not our problem".

[Tricky]

Well in regards to "who wins that one"...everyone loses.

Many people will stop at nothing to "improve their lot in life" especially when they have nothing to lose but their life, which probably is not that great considering they are immigrating illegally.


How much money are we prepared to spend to protect our borders?
A billion?
10 billion?
Do we have the money?

How much power are we prepared to give to our government to ensure border security?
National Identity Cards?
Checkpoints?
Profiling?
Random Searches?
General increase in military/police presence?

How inhumane are we prepared to be to people whose crime equates to "seeking a better lot in life"?

Camps?
Prisons?
Executions?
Prohibitive displays of violence?


With these types of "solutions" looming it is somehow "Not Our Problem"?

Additionally how is it not our problem when our economic decisions are one of the strongest contributing factors to the state in which these countries are in?

Have you bought diamond jewelry?
Then your funding rape, genocide, civil unrest in various African countries.

Do you wear clothing?
Then your supporting sweatshops throughout the world.

Do you drive a gasoline/diesal car, use plastic products, or consume anything in which it relates to energy?
Then your causing the middle east situation and funding terrorism, in addition to putting various totalitarian governments into power. and a sprinkling of genocide, rape gangs, civil unrest.

Do you processed products with Starch or Sweeteners in it? (If you get food from a grocery store then you do) Or do you use corn oil/flower/meal? Or Drink Alcohol?

Well then you are contributing to the U.S. government corn subsidies. These subsidies have led to Mexican farms being jeopardized and is the force responsible for depressing the incomes of poor corn farmers.



The point is our actions have consequences...so I do not see how anything that occurs in a country that we do business with is "not our problem".

So which way would you deal with it? :)

[darth los]

Again, everything you described is happening to them, not us. There will always be haves and have nots. It's been that way since the dawn of time.

The reality is people want these services and don't really give a shit who it's affecting as long as they get them. People are selfish that way.

It's just their shitty luck that they were born where they were. We won the lotto, they didn't , tough shit.


Like riley said in land " that happened to my brother, not me."

:cool:

[Terran]

So which way would you deal with it? :)

*shrugs*

The masses would find real solutions an inconvenient change to their desired role in society.
The ruling and economic elite would find real solutions an inconvenient change to their position and power in society.

Since both of these groups are either unwilling or incapable of understanding causality when it relates to any issue outside of their own societal scope the problems and their associated outcomes will remain.


Given that it is impossible to change the way people strive to mindlessly spend their existence there literally is no workable solution.


So this is how we will, and currently are, dealing with it.....

"Give the people cheaper Tech, Cheaper food, Cheaper fuel, Cheaper Clothes, Cheaper luxuries, and house all these people in a prison to protect them from all their slaves on the outside". :dead:

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Again, everything you described is happening to them, not us.
Whose going to be paying for the walls and the border enforcement?
Whose going to have their civil liberties "adjusted"?
Whose going to have to deal with the associated outcomes to exploitative resource/material goods consumption? (Iraq/Afganistan/Iran)


Us....