Why I'm leaving George Romero

[DubiousComforts]

yeah....I have no friends in real life. No family. No children. No interaction with anyone at all.:rolleyes:
You're certainly acting that way. You brought up the "luxury of having friends" as though it's a contest. That matters to 10-yeas olds. How would you know who is married, who has friends, who has family from sitting behind a keyboard?


Seriously....why do you even come to HPotD anymore? Just about everyone here would be glad to see you leave.
Seriously? You know "just about everyone"? Why not take a poll?


yGood people like Mike and Capn are gone, while all the assholes are getting free reign. This place used to be great....
So why do you come here anymore?

The truth is there is a few big-mouths like yourself here that enjoy talking trash but when someone else fools around and breaks your balls, you become crybabies and suddenly (big important voice) speak for everyone, "you're ruining this message board!"

Seriously, are you really that insulted by anything that I've ever posted? Tell me exactly what has been so insulting to you.

[bassman]

Seriously, are you really that insulted by anything that I've ever posted? Tell me exactly what has been so insulting to you.

Maybe not everything, but 99% of your posts are rude and un-welcomed, imo. And judging from what I've heard in the past, i'm not alone in this opinion.


That poll isn't a bad idea.....

[DEAD BEAT]

You're certainly acting that way. You brought up the "luxury of having friends" as though it's a contest. That matters to 10-yeas olds. How would you know who is married, who has friends, who has family from sitting behind a keyboard?


Seriously? You know "just about everyone"? Why not take a poll?


So why do you come here anymore?

The truth is there is a few big-mouths like yourself here that enjoy talking trash but when someone else fools around and breaks your balls, you become crybabies and suddenly (big important voice) speak for everyone, "you're ruining this message board!"

Seriously, are you really that insulted by anything that I've ever posted? Tell me exactly what has been so insulting to you.


You kids shouldn't play so rough....someone's gonna start crying! lol ;)

Bassman's one of my boys! he's right if people gonna bitch on here nobody's twisting your nipples to stay here! :rockbrow:

besides if you don't know by now insults on here are now 95% of the forum! lol:clown:

p.s. really could use some tea bag action right about now...:)

[DubiousComforts]

Maybe not everything, but 99% of your posts are rude and un-welcomed, imo.
I'm talking about you directly being insulted. Where is something I posted that insulted YOU? It's a simple question: answer for yourself and don't pretending to speak for everyone.

FYI, nothing that you've posted has insulted me.

The poll is a great idea or I wouldn't have suggested it. I can't wait to vote!


besides if you don't know by now insults on here are now 95% of the forum! lol:clown:

Exactly! So why are some people acting so thinned-skinned?

[CooperWasRight]

Seriously? You know "just about everyone"? Why not take a poll?

Not a bad way to disprove another statement that was made so matter of factly.... Did you know about 99% of statistics are made up on the spot and often do not come close to reality...

[DjfunkmasterG]

Maybe not everything, but 99% of your posts are rude and un-welcomed, imo. And judging from what I've heard in the past, i'm not alone in this opinion.


That poll isn't a bad idea.....

I am not going to conduct or take part in a poll for validation on my opinion of Dubs and Lee.

I don't need a poll to decide for me.

From my dealings with Dubs and Lee I don't care for either of them, however, at the moment I don't consider Lee to be quite the douchebag I consider dubs to be at this time

[BillyRay]

Did you know about 99% of statistics are made up on the spot and often do not come close to reality.

Please, Coop, 87% of people know that...

http://www.geeknews.net/images/2008/04/pie-chart-pac-man.jpg

[DubiousComforts]

I am not going to conduct or take part in a poll for validation on my opinion of Dubs and Lee.
Oh, please?


From my dealings with Dubs and Lee I don't care for either of them, however, at the moment I don't consider Lee to be quite the douchebag I consider dubs to be at this time
Heh heh, then it's working. :p

Reality check, Mr. "I'll Drive Out to Where You Live Because I'm a Big Powerful Man": we've never had any "dealings" and most likely never will. But if it will continue to feed your bravado, I'll gladly Google a map to NJ for you.

[DjfunkmasterG]

Oh, please?


Heh heh, then it's working. :p

Reality check, Mr. "I'll Drive Out to Where You Live Because I'm a Big Powerful Man": we've never had any "dealings" and most likely never will. But if it will continue to feed your bravado, I'll gladly Google a map to NJ for you.

No wonder you're an asshole... NJ, I should have known.

Oh and I know how to get to NJ... have family in Newark and Elizabeth

I forgot this forum has an ignore feature... Might as well start using it. You're the first one on it dubs. Congrats... you beat lee to my shitlist.

[CooperWasRight]

Please, Coop, 87% of people know that...

http://www.geeknews.net/images/2008/04/pie-chart-pac-man.jpg

Oh come on 87% of the time, it works everytime.

[darth los]

No wonder you're an asshole... NJ, I should have known.

Oh and I know how to get to NJ... have family in Newark and Elizabeth

I forgot this forum has an ignore feature... Might as well start using it. You're the first one on it dubs. Congrats... you beat lee to my shitlist.

Shit dude, what took you so long?

Those two have been on my ignore list for months now. I got tired of their act long ago.

I come here to enjoy myself and for good convo not to get agrivated. Life is too short for that shit.

But it is interesting how good people get banned yet these dude's insults are posted for everyone, including the mods, to see yet they are free to do what they please, doncha think?

:cool:

[DjfunkmasterG]

Shit dude, what took you so long?



:cool:


Like I said, I forgot we had the ignore feature on this forum. :lol:

[DEAD BEAT]

Im good...think ill go choke a blunt now foo shizzle! lol :cool:

btw: im a west coaster...so i have nothing to say bout east coasters! ;)

"except that we got better pot!" lol

[darth los]

Im good...think ill go choke a blunt now foo shizzle! lol :cool:

btw: im a west coaster...so i have nothing to say bout east coasters! ;)

"except that we got better pot!" lol

You better believe that on my bucket list.

To taravel the country, especially west coast, and sample the different types of sticky icky. :D

[BillyRay]

There we go, let's pass the "peace pipe".

Maybe then we can all relax, get along, and forget what we were just talking about.

GREAT IDEA, BRO!!!

http://tiny.abstractdynamics.org/archives/c%20tiger%20thumbs%20up%20cut%20out.jpg

[Trin]

Ahem.... but, nonetheless...


Normally a studio exec or producer does this.. but from what I have seen and witnessed from his loyal followers who work on his movies with him either are afraid to say something or just go with the flow.
Now we're getting somewhere. Who were those people on Night & Dawn? Who helped him do the rewrite on Day that saved it? Why didn't Land have the right people to help keep it plausible? Where were those people with Diary and Survival? Is this an Indie film vs. Studio film concern or something more personal to GAR himself and who he recruits?


I don't believe the social message in Dawn is really everything people make it out to be... He has also said in interviews that the mall idea was from a tour he took of it, and he thought it would be a good place to hold up in a zombie take over.
That is exactly the same thing I heard in interviews back in the late 70's and early 80's. Then we get into interviews later and it's all about the social commentary. When I tell people I remember him downplaying it they say I'm crazy. Well I'm NOT crazy!! Bwwuuahahahhaa...


I want the zombie to be the monster he originally created not the fucking parody it has become.
And isn't that the real problem?

Night featured the zombie as the monster. It was characters against monsters, with a subplot of conflict between the living.
Dawn showed zombies as monsters too. Again, character against monster, with a late plot twist of human conflict.
In Day the zombies took a backseat to the human conflict. In Land the zombies became protagonists of sorts. When the zombies walk away
from dinner the tension is gone.


Well....it's all opinion of course. I personally think it's a great idea. It makes perfect sense to me that eventually these things could start learning. Yeah, Bub learned because of Logan, but that doesn't mean others can't learn without a teacher. We know from the previous films that they remember things from their past lives, so why not rebellion?

BD is a great idea. The character could've been the new Bub, but the actor just didn't have it.
I agree that it makes sense for THESE THINGS to start learning. But that's not what was written. It was one zombie who showed an epiphany of learning, not the zombies as a group. The actor never had a chance given the role. The script was too focused on Big Daddy being the one zombie to break the mold. It didn't make sense. No one could've acted it to success.

If Land had shown the zombies as a group learning then it would've made a lot more sense. They had the perfect setup - the zombies in Day stopped approaching the pen door all at once. Sarah even says they are learning. So let them all learn together on a larger scale and they become a much worse threat. Oh, but don't make them so enlightened that they stop eating humans.

[DEAD BEAT]

There we go, let's pass the "peace pipe".

Maybe then we can all relax, get along, and forget what we were just talking about.

GREAT IDEA, BRO!!!

http://tiny.abstractdynamics.org/archives/c%20tiger%20thumbs%20up%20cut%20out.jpg

see that's what im talkin' bout...only i prefer joints these days!:clown:

Off the subject but when Land came out i really thought the opening was gonna be a lot better i imagined them maybe describing more of how it all started and i thought it wouldve been cool to even show clips of the Trilogy...thats how i would have done it!:cool:

But then again i thought the entire flick should have been redone!:shifty:

The coolest thing for me was that Dennis Hopper wanted to be in it...just goes to show the cult status of the genre...just wish someone would get it right these days! :(

[bassman]

The actor never had a chance given the role. The script was too focused on Big Daddy being the one zombie to break the mold. It didn't make sense. No one could've acted it to success.

Howard Sherman. :p


If Land had shown the zombies as a group learning then it would've made a lot more sense. They had the perfect setup - the zombies in Day stopped approaching the pen door all at once. Sarah even says they are learning. So let them all learn together on a larger scale and they become a much worse threat. Oh, but don't make them so enlightened that they stop eating humans.

They seemed like they were learning to me. Throughout the film they do the same stuff BD does.

I personally liked the fact that we never saw BD eating. In a weird way that makes him more menacing, imo. Straight to the goal. Let the grunts have their meal.



Off the subject but when Land came out i really thought the opening was gonna be a lot better i imagined them maybe describing more of how it all started and i thought it wouldve been cool to even show clips of the Trilogy...thats how i would have done it!

In the commentary Romero says that was their original idea, but they couldn't clear it with the respective owners. There was also a trailer containing clips of the first three, but it was quickly pulled. Haven't seen it since...

EDIT: Scratch that. Now i've seen it again. :lol:

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[DjfunkmasterG]

Howard Sherman. :p



They seemed like they were learning to me. Throughout the film they do the same stuff BD does.

I personally liked the fact that we never saw BD eating. In a weird way that makes him more menacing, imo. Straight to the goal. Let the grunts have their meal.




In the commentary Romero says that was their original idea, but they couldn't clear it with the respective owners. There was also a trailer containing clips of the first three, but it was quickly pulled. Haven't seen it since...

EDIT: Scratch that. Now i've seen it again. :lol:

h7tBBrjhY1k&hl=en_US&fs=1

I have had that trailer saved in a hidden folder on my website since 2005. In QT format no less.

[darth los]

That is exactly the same thing I heard in interviews back in the late 70's and early 80's. Then we get into interviews later and it's all about the social commentary. When I tell people I remember him downplaying it they say I'm crazy. Well I'm NOT crazy!! Bwwuuahahahhaa...

That's definitely the case.

It's just like how the part of ben was written for a white guy. However, Duane Jones was the best actor they knew so he got the part. all of a sudden it had these racial overtones and for good reason. It was a very turbulent time for this country with race relations and the war and all.

It seemed as if it was purposeful genius. It may have been genius but the purposeful part is not so clear cut.

Fast forward to dawn. Romero had the idea that it would be epic to have survivors hole up in a mall. After it was shot there was all this social commentary that shone through.

When all the acolades came his way about how genius it was he did a pee wee herman.

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/9/13/633569431234455250-imeanttodothat.jpg

:cool:

[CooperWasRight]

Ahem.... but, nonetheless...


Now we're getting somewhere. Who were those people on Night & Dawn? Who helped him do the rewrite on Day that saved it? Why didn't Land have the right people to help keep it plausible? Where were those people with Diary and Survival? Is this an Indie film vs. Studio film concern or something more personal to GAR himself and who he recruits?


That is exactly the same thing I heard in interviews back in the late 70's and early 80's. Then we get into interviews later and it's all about the social commentary. When I tell people I remember him downplaying it they say I'm crazy. Well I'm NOT crazy!! Bwwuuahahahhaa...

Rather then suggest a number of that books or a bunch of articles that may be hard to track down I will simply suggest you watch Document of the dead for a nice timecapsule that will clearly answer both of your questions and probably many more.

The short answer is again you may think you getting somewhere in helping you narrative or idea but the truth is people are misguiding you and throwing out bullshit opinions and passing them off as fact.

The social commentary in Night may have been less intentional .. Though an arguement can be made in the 60's casting a blackman in the lead and also not rewriting him as "black" is certainly a statement. But the social commentary in Dawn FACTUALLY intended.

Also your other question George had complete artistic control in filming,writing and editing Dawn...

Document of the dead pretty much covers everything you ever wanted to know about George and Dawn but were afraid to know the facts on... It is actually kind of sad that for personal reason people would rather believe what they make up in there head ...going so far as to believe that George is simply full of shit and there is a grand conspiracy that those involved on the films are also full of shit when they have been interviewed... Also the fact that Romero in 78 before FINISHING the film mentions the subtext and social commentary is not good enough for some people.

Im sorry but it's time to be crass.... Anyone whom does not believe it is just being willfully ignorant. Because either you have seen the film or ACTUALLY read vintage reviews and interviews with George and you continue to disbelieve and at that point your are being stupid...
or you haven't read it or scene it in which case you really have no place in discussion about dawn and its obvious subtext other then to ask questions. Just because you cant see the sailboat, doesn't mean you have to get all pissed and come up for reasons as to why it's not actually there... It's there Willam.

[darth los]

Rather then suggest a number of that books or a bunch of articles that may be hard to track down I will simply suggest you watch Document of the dead for a nice timecapsule that will clearly answer both of your questions and probably many more.

The short answer is again you may think you getting somewhere in helping you narrative or idea but the truth is people are misguiding you and throwing out bullshit opinions and passing them off as argument.

The social commentary in Night may have been less intentional .. Though an arguement can be made in the 60's casting a blackman in the lead and also not rewriting him as "black" is certainly a statement. But the social commentary FACTUALLY intended.

Also your other question George had complete artistic control in filming,writing and editing Dawn...

Document of the dead pretty much covers everything you ever wanted to know about George and Dawn but were afraid to know the fact on.


Is that the Frumkes film? If so, good stuff.

:cool:

[DjfunkmasterG]

Rather then suggest a number of that books or a bunch of articles that may be hard to track down I will simply suggest you watch Document of the dead for a nice timecapsule that will clearly answer both of your questions and probably many more.

The short answer is again you may think you getting somewhere in helping you narrative or idea but the truth is people are misguiding you and throwing out bullshit opinions and passing them off as argument.

The social commentary in Night may have been less intentional .. Though an arguement can be made in the 60's casting a blackman in the lead and also not rewriting him as "black" is certainly a statement. But the social commentary FACTUALLY intended.

Also your other question George had complete artistic control in filming,writing and editing Dawn...

Document of the dead pretty much covers everything you ever wanted to know about George and Dawn but were afraid to know the fact on... It is actually kind of sad that for personal reason people would rather believe what they make up in there head ...going so far as to believe that George is simply full of shit and there is a grand conspiracy that those involved on the films are also full of shit when they have been interviewed... Also the fact that Romero in 78 before FINISHING the film mentions the subtext and social commentary is not good enough for some people.

Im sorry but it's time to be crass.... Anyone whom does not believe it is just fucking stupid. Because either you have seen the film or ACTUALLY read vintage reviews and interviews with George and you continue to disbelieve or you haven't read it or scene it in which case you really have no place in discussion about dawn and its obvious subtext. Just because you cant see the sailboat doesn't mean you have to get all pissed and come up for reasons as to why it's not actually there.

George has contradicted himself so many times in different interviews. "Yes I meant the social commentary, no I didn't intend it, just some critics read more into it etc etc etc."

I know in reference to Night no social commentary was intended, it was picked up after the fact.

Dawn... I believe in the Interview on the Ultimate set he clearly states that he went to the mall to tour and got the idea as it being a hold up during a zombie apocalypse, then later in same documentary he contradicts what he says when they get on the social element.

Day of the Dead... His story has stayed pretty consistent on that flick. I don't remember at anytime he contradicted himself in regards to Day of the Dead.

but Night and Dawn, depending on the interview he says one thing, then says another. Not trying to bad mouth ole Uncle George, just saying with so many different statements and interviews one story is either true or total Bullshit.

But whatever... no he is really on the social message tear and because of it being so in your face it isn't sitting well with fans.

Now in regards to Dawn if he truly mean the commentary of consumerism... it is some what plausible, but his original intention for Dawn as repeated many times was to use the mall as a place to hold up during an apocalyptic event

[CooperWasRight]

Is that the Frumkes film? If so, good stuff.

:cool:
Yes it is Roy's doc. good stuff indeed... But really only in a nerdy Romero fan way... I much prefer more modern docs like "One more for the fire,The dead will walk and so on...

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George has contradicted himself so many times in different interviews. "Yes I meant the social commentary, no I didn't intend it, just some critics read more into it etc etc etc."

I know in reference to Night no social commentary was intended, it was picked up after the fact.

Dawn... I believe in the Interview on the Ultimate set he clearly states that he went to the mall to tour and got the idea as it being a hold up during a zombie apocalypse, then later in same documentary he contradicts what he says when they get on the social element.

Day of the Dead... His story has stayed pretty consistent on that flick. I don't remember at anytime he contradicted himself in regards to Day of the Dead.

but Night and Dawn, depending on the interview he says one thing, then says another. Not trying to bad mouth ole Uncle George, just saying with so many different statements and interviews one story is either true or total Bullshit.

But whatever... no he is really on the social message tear and because of it being so in your face it isn't sitting well with fans.

Now in regards to Dawn if he truly mean the commentary of consumerism... it is some what plausible, but his original intention for Dawn as repeated many times was to use the mall as a place to hold up during an apocalyptic event

Yes there were many ideas that culminated when he wrote the film in italy in the apartment Dario put him and Christine up in. The bottom line is that the social commentary was there intentionally... It was not an after thought or Romero pulling a peewee.

[darth los]

Yes it is Roy's doc. good stuff indeed... But really only in a nerdy Romero fan way... I much prefer more modern docs like "One more for the fire,The dead will walk and so on...[COLOR="Silver"]

I like the fact that he was actually there filming as it was happening. We actually got to see things like Savini's girlfriend (one of many I'm sure) at the time who also helped with costumes and she also was the zombie that almost ate roger while he was trying to howire that truck.

Very cool stuff.

:cool:

[CooperWasRight]

I like the fact that he was actually there filming as it was happening. We actually got to see things like Savini's girlfriend (one of many I'm sure) at the time who also helped with costumes and she also was the zombie that almost ate roger while he was trying to howire that truck.

Very cool stuff.

:cool:

ever see any of the Savini tapes?.... That shit can be real dry.. I loved the Dr Tongue test footage... Not talking about the stuff they released with the varies day dvd's and what not... Though that is were they mined abit of that stuff from.

[darth los]

ever see any of the Savini tapes?.... That shit can be real dry.. I loved the Dr Tongue test footage... Not talking about the stuff they released with the varies day dvd's and what not... Though that is were they mined abit of that stuff from.


Would that be on any dvd extras? If not then I probably haven't seeing as I own virtually all of them.

If you don't mind me asking, where can this be obtained?

:cool:

[bassman]

Would that be on any dvd extras? If not then I probably haven't seeing as I own virtually all of them.

If you don't mind me asking, where can this be obtained?

:cool:

This is the same footage on the Day dvd that we were talking about a week or two back. It's the home video of them making Dr. Tongue and testing effects.

[DjfunkmasterG]

Would that be on any dvd extras? If not then I probably haven't seeing as I own virtually all of them.

If you don't mind me asking, where can this be obtained?

:cool:

You can sometimes find it at cons. it is 3 DVD's with hours upon hours of BTS footage of Day of the Dead and Creepshow.

Someone sent me a set years ago, but they were new at burning DVD's and fucked them up.

You can find it if you look hard enough. :p

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Yes it is Roy's doc. good stuff indeed... But really only in a nerdy Romero fan way... I much prefer more modern docs like "One more for the fire,The dead will walk and so on...

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Yes there were many ideas that culminated when he wrote the film in italy in the apartment Dario put him and Christine up in. The bottom line is that the social commentary was there intentionally... It was not an after thought or Romero pulling a peewee.


Well based on the evidence supported by video interviews and what he has said over the years the original reason for Dawn of the Dead was holding up in the mall... no mention of the consumerism thing until critics pointed it out.

So based on even the Frumkes stuff... I will go with the Commentary being an after thought or something he latched onto from critical reviews of the film.

I am not saying it is bad thing... And I am not trying to make him any less the master of the original zombie trilogy. I am just going by what I can find on interviews I have on DVD. :D

[darth los]

You can sometimes find it at cons. it is 3 DVD's with hours upon hours of BTS footage of Day of the Dead and Creepshow.

Someone sent me a set years ago, but they were new at burning DVD's and fucked them up.

You can find it if you look hard enough. :p

Thnx for the info deej. If I can track that down it's a definite buy.

My family can't seem to understand why though.

See, you the only ones that understand me! :D

:cool:

[DjfunkmasterG]

Thnx for the info deej. If I can track that down it's a definite buy.

My family can't seem to understand why though.

See, you the only ones that understand me! :D

:cool:

All the cons I have been too I have never seen a con vendor who didn't have them. Prices range from $15.00 to $25.00 depending on the Shyster... err I mean Vendor

The One vendor I trust the most is Ken Kish from Cinema-Wasteland he goes to just about every con selling merchandise and never had an issue with anything I bought from Ken. Not too mention his twice a year convention is pretty kick ass

[DEAD BEAT]

Would that be on any dvd extras? If not then I probably haven't seeing as I own virtually all of them.

If you don't mind me asking, where can this be obtained?

:cool:

Im lost Los is there a Savini sex tape out there or something?:clown::eek:

[DjfunkmasterG]

Im lost Los is there a Savini sex tape out there or something?:clown::eek:

YES there is... :sneaky:

You get to see what he really did behind the scenes on all his films. :lol:

[darth los]

Im lost Los is there a Savini sex tape out there or something?:clown::eek:

Knowing that guys style I wouldn't be suprised dude.

He just comes off like the type of free spirit that would do something like that.

I'll bet if there is one that it would sell better than survival. :lol:

:cool:

[DjfunkmasterG]

Knowing that guys style I wouldn't be suprised dude.

He just comes off like the type of free spirit that would do something like that.

I'll bet if there is one that it would sell better than survival. :lol:

:cool:

Only if he is banging the 90 remake Barbara (Got a thing for red heads)

All kidding aside... DEAD there is a 3 DVD bootleg set of all of Savini's home movies from the sets of Day of the Dead and Creepshow. It isn't an official release or anything, but most vendors have it, if you wanna see how they worked on a lot of the gags.

[DubiousComforts]

Congrats... you beat lee to my shitlist.
I always was an overachiever.


All the cons I have been too I have never seen a con vendor who didn't have them. Prices range from $15.00 to $25.00 depending on the Shyster... err I mean Vendor
Or how about FREE just for the asking? :D

[JDFP]

Knowing that guys style I wouldn't be suprised dude.

He just comes off like the type of free spirit that would do something like that.

I'll bet if there is one that it would sell better than survival. :lol:

:cool:

If I was down at my bar and saw Tom Savini not knowing who he is then he wouldn't be someone I would yell at to invite over to have a beer with the other good ol' boys I sit at the bar with. The man just looks like someone you wouldn't want to mess with/piss off.

Some folks are just like that (intense/intimidating looking even if they aren't). As far as I know Savini could be the kindest man in the world (I hear that Gary Klar is one of the nicest people in the world, as a side note) but Savini just looks like someone who could go completely nuts in a second's notice and start busting beer bottles over peoples heads.

Nope, I wouldn't mess with Savini. He could quickly probably turn any one of us into little chocolate men -- just by that hauntingly penetrating gaze if nothing else. :D

j.p.

[ProfessorChaos]

before i get started, allow me to say that this thread is totally off-the-fucking-rails. totally made my afternoon after a long day of working manual labor outside (summer work b4 school picks up again). ok now:

i got the document of the dead dvd sent to my by the capn...who is now gone.

i received a box from kortick that had all kinds of dead-related goodies (NOtLD comics & 25th anniversary fanzine, fangoria mags about the night remake, a hare krishna NECA figure, still in box, etc....and a christmas card for me and my gf)....but anywho, he's gone now too.

oh and mike70 sent me a couple of dead soundtracks burned to disc....but guess what? yep, he's gone too.

we need the previously mentioned people back (from voluntary absences and bannings), this place isn't the same without them. i don't know what the fuck's going on with everyone lately, but things have been very odd around here lately.

and yes, JP, gary klar is one of the most memorable people i've ever met. meeting him, mark tierno, sara cardille, DJ, and billy ray was at con-tamination was a great experience. and i never would have been there if it hadn't been for this site...

[C5NOTLD]

I wouldn't go that far. He interviewed a bunch of has beens trying to relive their glory days and packaged it in a shit "documentary" with quality close to those local sunday morning church services you see on cable access....

:lol: I think you need glasses then.

I guess that's why some of the Romero crew members whose work fans are so fond of picked up copies for their collections or why the Carnegie Library in Pittsburgh wanted multiple copies. Here I thought you had better taste than that bassman but then again the doc is made for the fans of NOTLD. :)

I've never seen one thread topic jump around from the initial posting so much in my life.

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[bassman]

I like NOTLD a bit, but the remake gets more viewings.

I'm just not a brown noser and wasn't fond of the documentary. Sorry...

[Trin]

It is actually kind of sad that for personal reason people would rather believe what they make up in there head.

Im sorry but it's time to be crass.... Anyone whom does not believe it is just being willfully ignorant. Because either you have seen the film or ACTUALLY read vintage reviews and interviews with George and you continue to disbelieve and at that point your are being stupid...
How very Internet of you. Anything that disagrees with what YOU believe is made up in our heads. Have you stopped to notice how many pure opinions you are throwing out as fact as you insult other people for throwing out opinions?

For years after Dawn and Day came out I soaked up everything Romero. Every interview, every article, everything I could get my hands on. And I can tell you that in repeated interviews Romero blew off questions about social commentary in Dawn. I'm not going to expect you to take my word for it, you're way too arrogant for that. But stop suggesting that I'm willfully ignorant or stupid for believing what I heard and read myself. And stop being so naive as to believe that documentaries made years after the fact are accurate and complete to the events. You don't know everything.

I don't know what the real answer is. As I've said before I don't think the social commentary in Dawn is either purely intentional or unintentional. Romero said for years that Dawn was a "reflection of the times." And Deej is right on target when he says that Romero has stated that the primary reason for using the mall was that he thought it'd be a cool place to hole up against zombies. That was a recurring interview response.

[C5NOTLD]

The same goes with Romero. Yes, he made some great films with "Knightriders"/ the original Dead trilogy/ but otherwise, for me at least, he's been giving us subpar work the last three films (even though "Diary" was less subpar than the other two).

The original dead trilogy is hard to live up to as he set the bar pretty high.
I still would rather watch a GAR zombie film made today than any other one including Shaun. I've always personally hoped he would do a remake of The Abominable Dr. Phibes. The original always had a GAR feel for some reason even though it was directed by Robert Fuest.


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[darth los]

@ Trin

I can't recall at this time in what interview it was in but i can clearly recall GAr saying that as well trin. I was probably a boy or teen when i saw it.

If a person just doesn't want to hear it then what else can you do?

Nothing. Because if one is going to willfully ignore the facts, and i know i say this alot, an intellectually honest argument cannot be had and it's time to leave it alone or else this will go one for pages on end.

:cool:

[DjfunkmasterG]

If you have the Ultimate DAWN dvd, which I am sure all of us do I believe in the main Documentary, not Frumkes but the new one... Romero talks about the mall and his initial thought of its use.

[darth los]

If you have the Ultimate DAWN dvd, which I am sure all of us do I believe in the main Documentary, not Frumkes but the new one... Romero talks about the mall and his initial thought of its use.

Really?

Popping it in now then.

We're going to get to the bottom of this...

:cool:

[DjfunkmasterG]

Can't believe all the posts we made in here today... However, something made me skim back to one of the last quotes I did of Dubs...


Of course you do.

Rather than rambling aimlessly and pretending to be spokesman for the entire community, just cut to the chase and admit that 1.) you're pissed since I pointed out your assumption of thxleo kissing up to George Romero for being the delusional fantasy that it is, and 2.) you're also pissed because I think a dedicated forum to your movie is an inane attempt at attention-whoring which adds zero to HPOTD. Address the elephant in the forum, then we can move on and possibly live happily ever after.

I would like to focus on this segment:


you're also pissed because I think a dedicated forum to your movie is an inane attempt at attention-whoring which adds zero to HPOTD.

What I forgot to interject into my reply then and I will now... Well hello Kettle... how ya been?

It seems you are trying to sell a documentary about people who appeared in Romero's Night... but you don't consider that attention whoring? So in your world it is ok to whore yourself out, but not ok for anyone else to do it... Great double standard.

OH and as far as it adding Zero to HPoTD... Since my second film does contain a cast member from the original DAWN even nods at the original Dawn as well as the remake... I think it is completely relevant, but of course you wouldn't know that because you never bother to watch it and instead decided to make a blind statement.

Oh and as far as contributing to HPotD, this a zombie themed site that does have an indie film section which Neil installed back in the day, and... When Universal wouldn't give out any information about DAWN 04 it was myself and another member from Toronto who were able to get them to be more open and let us provide exclusive info on the project. Even the big boys like Bloody-Disgusting and CHUD etc etc had to hot link through my site to get any info because it all came through me... because I was able to convince them if they open up and talk more and show more... the zombie fans may get behind it as opposed to rebel against it.

Now back to the attention whoring thing? So would you not agree that your statement is blind and that you yourself are whoring your product?

I love pointing the moronic moments of people who make blind statements when they don't think about what they themselves are doing... so from one whore to another... FUCK YOU DUBS! :lol:

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Really?

Popping it in now then.

We're going to get to the bottom of this...

:cool:

I wanna say it is within the 1st ten to twenty minutes of the documentary... Can't put it on at the moment... because I have my Ent Center dismantled to get rid of the friggin rats nest of wires... and my laptop doesn't have a blu-Ray player in it, and I only have the Blu-Ray verison out and easily accessible... I don't feel like digging out the Boxset from storage.

[JDFP]

Funny story that's related to this topic just as much as anything else that has been vomited up here the last few days...

I just finished watching the film "Death Note" -- and while I thought the film generally sucked (it had a great concept but the acting was some of the worst acting I think I've ever witnessed -- then again, maybe it's how Japanese actors act? I dunno...I don't generally watch Japanese films), I couldn't help but think how happy I am that no one here on the board has a "Death List" book -- otherwise we'd only have about three members after a day or two.

:D

Man, the love here just soaks through you like "Analgeddon IV". :elol:

j.p.

[DjfunkmasterG]

Man, the love here just soaks through you like "Analgeddon IV". :elol:

j.p.


:lol::lol::lol::lol: Ok that is a funny quote. :D

[CooperWasRight]

You can sometimes find it at cons. it is 3 DVD's with hours upon hours of BTS footage of Day of the Dead and Creepshow.

Someone sent me a set years ago, but they were new at burning DVD's and fucked them up.

You can find it if you look hard enough. :p

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Well based on the evidence supported by video interviews and what he has said over the years the original reason for Dawn of the Dead was holding up in the mall... no mention of the consumerism thing until critics pointed it out.

So based on even the Frumkes stuff... I will go with the Commentary being an after thought or something he latched onto from critical reviews of the film.

I am not saying it is bad thing... And I am not trying to make him any less the master of the original zombie trilogy. I am just going by what I can find on interviews I have on DVD. :D

Dude the film as released in 85 because of loss of footage, the segments where Romero talks of the subtext was shot when Dawn was being shot...


How very Internet of you. Anything that disagrees with what YOU believe is made up in our heads. Have you stopped to notice how many pure opinions you are throwing out as fact as you insult other people for throwing out opinions?

For years after Dawn and Day came out I soaked up everything Romero. Every interview, every article, everything I could get my hands on. And I can tell you that in repeated interviews Romero blew off questions about social commentary in Dawn. I'm not going to expect you to take my word for it, you're way too arrogant for that. But stop suggesting that I'm willfully ignorant or stupid for believing what I heard and read myself. And stop being so naive as to believe that documentaries made years after the fact are accurate and complete to the events. You don't know everything.

I don't know what the real answer is. As I've said before I don't think the social commentary in Dawn is either purely intentional or unintentional. Romero said for years that Dawn was a "reflection of the times." And Deej is right on target when he says that Romero has stated that the primary reason for using the mall was that he thought it'd be a cool place to hole up against zombies. That was a recurring interview response.

It is a fact that he made comments on the social commentary BEFORE the film was finished... So anyone buying off on it was a peewee herman lives in lala land. There is evidence that supports that... There is no logical way to dispute that... Even if George himself forgets that or contradicts this would not change the reality that on the record the commentary was intentional...

The only things in this statement that is not FACT are things like me saying the person lives in lala land... As with my other comments on this thread... The objective way to put such things goes like this.... Your argument has a a fundamental that is ignoring incontrovertible proof... There for it makes your argument void and one could infer your current thought process is based on faulty logic.

It's nice to say im throwing around opinions as fact but you have not used any examples... I will gladly answer any examples you have.

[DjfunkmasterG]

Dude the film as released in 85 because of loss of footage, the segments where Romero talks of the subtext was shot when Dawn was being shot...



It is a fact that he made comments on the social commentary BEFORE the film was finished... So anyone buying off on it was a peewee herman lives in lala land. There is evidence that supports that... There is no logical way to dispute that... Even if George himself forgets that or contradicts this would not change the reality that on the record the commentary was intentional...

The only things in this statement that is not FACT are things like me saying the person lives in lala land... As with my other comments on this thread... The objective way to put such things goes like this.... Your argument has a a fundamental that is ignoring incontrovertible proof... There for it makes your argument void and one could infer your current thought process is based on faulty logic.

It's nice to say im throwing around opinions as fact but you have not used any examples... I will gladly answer any examples you have.


Coop where is the proof... Seriously, Romero didn't start doing the social commentary thinguntil press brought it up. With Night he admits they didn;t think about Duane Jones being the lead, nor did they associate it with any thing going on. Once critics started reviewing it and commenting on the parts they may have resembled current conditions... Romero has said that was not his intention but he could see what they were getting at.

So again, when George and Company made Night... social commentary wasn't nowhere near the forefront of the story... It became an after thought. Seriously trying to defend shit that doesn't exist or has been embellished because of years of interviews and what not is not changing the fact Romero admitted none of the stuff touched upon by others was their original intention when making the movie

You know talking to you is like talking to a brick fucking wall. How friggin thick are you man? Are you another dubs that wants ot be a knob slobber? seriously... you are totally out of your fucking mind if you think you're going to convince me that social commentary was in georges mind from the get go when many interviews he has been on record saying that was not the case, especially with DAWN.

DAWN was conceived because of a tour of the mall and how he thought it would be cool to hold up in. He references the CD boxes and what not and how you could rough it out there during any type of event... including zombies.

That was the sole thread or piece of fabric that brought DAWN to life.

Night was a bunch of friends kicking in a few bucks to make a horror movie... again something he has been on record saying. Nothing more nothing less.

If the social commentaries were really at the forefront of his writing then those films would have been as heavy handed as the newer three film. People don't suddenly change writing style unless something profound is brought up in regards to what they most likely unintentionally did. To be honest I don't even pick up on anything in DAWN until.... Fran says what have we done to ourselves... Any fucking writer with half a brain and going off the material things don't bring happiness could have written that... That moment in the film isn;t some profound statement of the 70's or consumerism. I am sure once people started talking about the comparisons he would agree with them... and maybe just figured to go with the flow.

Again not knocking the man but don't sit here and try and tell me this has been his thing all along. You don't go from making three great films to 3 shit films unless you start believing in some BS hype that doesn't work in your favor.

there is enough evidence to support where i am coming from on this. maybe you need to brush up on your Romero interviews.

[CooperWasRight]

Coop where is the proof... Seriously, Romero didn't start doing the social commentary thinguntil press brought it up. With Night he admits they didn;t think about Duane Jones being the lead, nor did they associate it with any thing going on. Once critics started reviewing it and commenting on the parts they may have resembled current conditions... Romero has said that was not his intention but he could see what they were getting at.

So again, when George and Company made Night... social commentary wasn't nowhere near the forefront of the story... It became an after thought. Seriously trying to defend shit that doesn't exist or has been embellished because of years of interviews and what not is not changing the fact Romero admitted none of the stuff touched upon by others was their original intention when making the movie

You know talking to you is like talking to a brick fucking wall. How friggin thick are you man? Are you another dubs that wants ot be a knob slobber? seriously... you are totally out of your fucking mind if you think you're going to convince me that social commentary was in georges mind from the get go when many interviews he has been on record saying that was not the case, especially with DAWN.

DAWN was conceived because of a tour of the mall and how he thought it would be cool to hold up in. He references the CD boxes and what not and how you could rough it out there during any type of event... including zombies.

That was the sole thread or piece of fabric that brought DAWN to life.

Night was a bunch of friends kicking in a few bucks to make a horror movie... again something he has been on record saying. Nothing more nothing less.

If the social commentaries were really at the forefront of his writing then those films would have been as heavy handed as the newer three film. People don't suddenly change writing style unless something profound is brought up in regards to what they most likely unintentionally did. To be honest I don't even pick up on anything in DAWN until.... Fran says what have we done to ourselves... Any fucking writer with half a brain and going off the material things don't bring happiness could have written that... That moment in the film isn;t some profound statement of the 70's or consumerism. I am sure once people started talking about the comparisons he would agree with them... and maybe just figured to go with the flow.

Again not knocking the man but don't sit here and try and tell me this has been his thing all along. You don't go from making three great films to 3 shit films unless you start believing in some BS hype that doesn't work in your favor.

there is enough evidence to support where i am coming from on this. maybe you need to brush up on your Romero interviews.

You are being willfully ignorant... You ask for the proof... WATCH DOCUMENT OF THE DEAD.... I was perfectly clear on that point several post back... obviously I have to be so clear.

D O C U M E N T O F T H E D E A D.

It definitively settles the fact that the social commentary was not a invention of the fans and critics on Dawn.. It was factually the directors intention.

[Wyldwraith]

I'm just going to say it,
Those familiar with my posting and my conduct since I began visiting here can attest to this, but just for the record, I've never willfully resorted to making something that began as a debate/intellectual conflict into something personal.

Until now.

CooperWasRight: You're sanctimonious, patronizing in the EXTREME, condescending (just in case you didn't get it when I said you were patronizing), and you have all the charisma of a 500,000 Scoville Heat Unit Solution enema.

I'm sick of the trolling, and your disrespectful manner of declaring things to be so as if you were the Herald of God Almighty, and then having the gall to split hairs with people when they call you on your B.S.

Congratulations Cooper, you managed to make the shitlist of someone heavily doped with pain meds and anti-anxiety/sleeping pills for a major disability.

That takes REAL talent. Bravo. I doff my cap to you.

Asshat.

[Trin]

It is a fact that he made comments on the social commentary BEFORE the film was finished... So anyone buying off on it was a peewee herman lives in lala land. There is evidence that supports that... There is no logical way to dispute that... Even if George himself forgets that or contradicts this would not change the reality that on the record the commentary was intentional...
I'm not really contending that he didn't say it, and I'm eager to see the documentary so I can judge for myself. But there is a lot to be said for context around GAR's statements.

For example, it's entirely possible that the interviews I saw back in the day were asking questions that so overly emphasized the commentary (which interviewers often did back then) that GAR responded with his classic, "You're reading too much into it."


The only things in this statement that is not FACT are things like me saying the person lives in lala land... As with my other comments on this thread... The objective way to put such things goes like this.... Your argument has a a fundamental that is ignoring incontrovertible proof... There for it makes your argument void and one could infer your current thought process is based on faulty logic.
I love the term "incontrovertible proof." As if there's no room for interpretation or context.

The last "incontrovertible proof" of GAR's intentional social commentary in Dawn was the script excerpt that mentioned the mall as a consumer edifice. To some that was just the crowning evidence, but when I read it I was like, "Seriously, you're hanging your hat on this?" Sure, it pointed to some acknowledgement of the character's draw to the mall as consumers, but did it portray an underlying social commentary of the whole movie? Not really.

[JDFP]

That takes REAL talent. Bravo. I doff my cap to you.

Asshat.

Hey Wyld, just make sure if that hat you're doffing is a fedora not to wear it in any future profile pictures you may put up, otherwise some more seemingly uncouth (a.k.a. jealous people here that don't have their own groovy fedora) could attempt to pick on you for it.

Otherwise, I agree entirely with your sentiment.

:D

j.p.

[CooperWasRight]

I'm not really contending that he didn't say it, and I'm eager to see the documentary so I can judge for myself. But there is a lot to be said for context around GAR's statements.

For example, it's entirely possible that the interviews I saw back in the day were asking questions that so overly emphasized the commentary (which interviewers often did back then) that GAR responded with his classic, "You're reading too much into it."


I love the term "incontrovertible proof." As if there's no room for interpretation or context.

The last "incontrovertible proof" of GAR's intentional social commentary in Dawn was the script excerpt that mentioned the mall as a consumer edifice. To some that was just the crowning evidence, but when I read it I was like, "Seriously, you're hanging your hat on this?" Sure, it pointed to some acknowledgement of the character's draw to the mall as consumers, but did it portray an underlying social commentary of the whole movie? Not really.

Look man.... to the question as to whether or not it was a figment of the critics and fans when the man who wrote,directed and edited the film says during the filming process that it is intended the social commentary... That is "incontrovertible proof".

What more could someone want?

As for peoples grumbling about my personal attacks they should really re-read this thread... I did not start it and frankly I have been pretty mindfull about going personal... They only person I have personally gone after would be DJ and it was after many personal attacks on myself and the most personal I got was stating something to the effect that I think he has issues...

This thread contains MANY direct attacks on one person or another.

Again anyone who want to bring up specifics they are more then welcome to and if I have stepped over the line call me on it... But because you disagree with said evidence that I have provided does your opinions right. I have read many books on Romero and spent much of my free studying cinema/independent cinema.

Does that make me a GOD? no... But when I present an argument.. I tend to base it on fact... Do I have opinions? yes... I personally am aware of the difference.

It seems there is a problem with people whom are ignorant on an issue confusing there right to have an opinion with being right because they "feel" strongly on an issue.

You wont find me getting into heated debate on open heart surgeons with people whom spend much of there time and life devoted to such issues... I realize I would be out of my depth and if I did voice and opinion that was wrong and I was corrected I would realize im out of my depth.

I dont often get into heated debate on issues for which im out of my depth. And when I do they would be subjective issues and I would be the first to admit such. The things I have heavily debated on this thread are either objective for which I know through hard fact and evidence to be true...or they are issues that are objectively subjective.

Me belief is you go with the truth takes you... And more often then not that will prove ones initial theory to be incorrect, If one is not being proven wrong often they are getting no closer to the truth.

My primary interest in joining this forum is not to make friends... My interest was to learn of news, information and intelligent conversation on Romero and his projects. So sorry if I made your shit list but it really is not relevant to me. You felt the need to personally attack me.. Bravo to you sir. Enjoy your pills... And im aware that this post is not simply address you Trin.

[Trin]

Had to go back a few pages lest I let this gem go. :)


Howard Sherman. :p

They seemed like they were learning to me. Throughout the film they do the same stuff BD does.

I personally liked the fact that we never saw BD eating. In a weird way that makes him more menacing, imo. Straight to the goal. Let the grunts have their meal.
Howard Sherman... lol... it'd be interesting to see how he'd do. Might work...

But my suspicion is that Eugene Clark could do Bub better than Sherman could do Big Daddy.

I thought the other zombies were learning too. And they were showing socialization behaviors, too, like holding hands and stuff. So I agree that the intent was there. But where Big Daddy was making huge leaps of reasoning the others were still doing mostly mimickry.

The difference between Big Daddy and the rest was too pronounced. So pronounced that we as the audience felt the need to explain it. I feel that if the general populace of zombies all began to learn and make leaps of intellect we would never have questioned it. We would also have felt a much higher tension because it would've elevated the threat.

I can see how a non-eating Big Daddy is menacing since he has a more focused motive of revenge. I just can't stomach the zombies losing their primary drive.

And as to this...


Look man.... to the question as to whether or not it was a figment of the critics and fans when the man who wrote,directed and edited the film says during the filming process that it is intended the social commentary... That is "incontrovertible proof".

What more could someone want?
I acknowledged that he probably did say what you're contending he said on the documentary and that I should watch it. I'm more than willing to do so and challenge my own opinion.

What I'm not willing to do is accept your interpretation of the documentary as incontrovertible proof. As my example clearly pointed out I've been down that road before and found the proof lacking.

So what more could someone want? I want to judge it for myself. I think that's a reasonable thing to do.

Let's face it. Taking GAR statements out of context is a hobby around here, often times unintentionally, and often times second hand.

If you are a scholar of GAR then you already know that GAR contradicts himself. You also know that he makes flippant remarks without thinking them through. And you also know that when you put a camera in his face and ask him a question you may or may not get the same answer from one day to the next.

I'm sorry that this topic has gotten heated. But when you throw around things like my recollections are things I made up in my own head and that I'm being willfully ignorant or stupid... well, that does not predispose me to accept your interpretation of anything.

[CooperWasRight]

Had to go back a few pages lest I let this gem go. :)


Howard Sherman... lol... it'd be interesting to see how he'd do. Might work...

But my suspicion is that Eugene Clark could do Bub better than Sherman could do Big Daddy.

I thought the other zombies were learning too. And they were showing socialization behaviors, too, like holding hands and stuff. So I agree that the intent was there. But where Big Daddy was making huge leaps of reasoning the others were still doing mostly mimickry.

The difference between Big Daddy and the rest was too pronounced. So pronounced that we as the audience felt the need to explain it. I feel that if the general populace of zombies all began to learn and make leaps of intellect we would never have questioned it. We would also have felt a much higher tension because it would've elevated the threat.

I can see how a non-eating Big Daddy is menacing since he has a more focused motive of revenge. I just can't stomach the zombies losing their primary drive.

And as to this...


I acknowledged that he probably did say what you're contending he said on the documentary and that I should watch it. I'm more than willing to do so and challenge my own opinion.

What I'm not willing to do is accept your interpretation of the documentary as incontrovertible proof. As my example clearly pointed out I've been down that road before and found the proof lacking.

So what more could someone want? I want to judge it for myself. I think that's a reasonable thing to do.

Let's face it. Taking GAR statements out of context is a hobby around here, often times unintentionally, and often times second hand.

If you are a scholar of GAR then you already know that GAR contradicts himself. You also know that he makes flippant remarks without thinking them through. And you also know that when you put a camera in his face and ask him a question you may or may not get the same answer from one day to the next.

I'm sorry that this topic has gotten heated. But when you throw around things like my recollections are things I made up in my own head and that I'm being willfully ignorant or stupid... well, that does not predispose me to accept your interpretation of anything.

Fair enough... I do not have a problem with the fact he does say many things... That is were one must apply critical thinking... That is why I said it wouldn't even be if Romero himself forgets what he said in the past. That is why I keep stripping the argument done to fundamentals to its objective cores... One must figure out what is objective and what is subjective.

If he is asked what the premise of the film is and he says it is about some survivors that are held up in a mall during a zombie outbreak... This does not in anyway invalidate there is a intended message in the film...

That has to do with the questions asked and how they are framed and edited in a interview.

If the man himself during an interview while making the film says there is a message there.. That does effectively close the door on any future debate one whether it was intended.

It is really the fact that such issues that have definitive answers that can be thrown up for debate that is just silly.... And instead of people realizing they are out of there depth on an issue they continue to argue.. Simply because they don't want there feelings or ideas to be invalidated. Everyone is entitled to an opinion.. Not everyone can be right on issues that are objective... I find my self thinking there are some parallels to the meaning of Diary and the problem with everyone having a voice makes it just that harder to find the truth.... At some point you have to either think to yourself Im either making this shit up... In which case I would be a piece of shit and a moron to keep going on and on as Document of the dead is not that hard to track a copy down...Or you can accept new knowledge an adjust your way of thinking.

That is a big reason I joined this board... For new information... I enjoy learning new things on topics that interest me.

[EvilNed]

Yes, but no. The smart zombie idea is just fucking stupid. I will allow for bub because Logan coached him along, but zombie in land had no human teacher... therefore their actions were way to stupid to be taken seriously and Eugene Clark was seriously miscast in the role of Big Daddy... Big Daddy was just a plain old bad idea, but the screenplay didn't have him nearly as smart as he was in the movie which makes no sense to me.

Hey, I like Big Daddy. I've always been pro-Eugene!

[DjfunkmasterG]

You are being willfully ignorant... You ask for the proof... WATCH DOCUMENT OF THE DEAD.... I was perfectly clear on that point several post back... obviously I have to be so clear.

D O C U M E N T O F T H E D E A D.

It definitively settles the fact that the social commentary was not a invention of the fans and critics on Dawn.. It was factually the directors intention.

Doc of the Dead is not what I will consider as any evidence and I will explain why...

Roy was a huge Romero fan, and began following him and learning about him after he had seen Night 68. Nothing wrong with that the guy is a fan, however, this was after critics began saying hey... the movies has some underlying social themes to it etc etc.

When Roy and George walk and talk about the movie he actually leads the question with the nod to consumerism message, his questions actually led George, or anyone from that matter, down a given path and at no time do the answers ultimately reflect anything that can be considered hard data because again the documentary was being produced and shot by a fan who had probably done some homework read many reviews and interviews and had already bought into said hype about the social message.

Again, the fabric that started Dawn of the Dead will always be and has never ceased to be George touring the mall and thinking this would be a cool place to hold in a zombie attack.

Just like the piece of thread that started Night was friends wanting to make a movie... They all admit casting Ben was because he was the best man for the job and it had no bearing on race, it wasn't until critics pointed out the "Taboo"s of what was going on did they realize it.

As I said, I love George, I love the movies... but this whole "Oh he has been doing social commentary since the beginning...." No, not buying into it especially because evidence exists that proves that to be Bullshit. And honestly the first 3 films... whatever "Message" was in them was so far pushed to the background that it wasn't really brought up until Critics began writing reviews and comparing the films to current times and situations.

Then comes the 20 year Hiatus between Day and Land... more interviews, most discussions... Romero begins touring the con circuit in the 90's, more hype surrounds the Message of the movies... then finally 9/11 comes, DAWN remake i greenlit after world simmers down, Romero is suddenly in the spotlight again, New releases of the original trilogy are popping up with new interviews and docs that were structured to this "Social Message" thing and then BAM! Land of the Dead is greenlit with the heaviest in your face punch your momma in the Jaw MESSAGE then any previous film.

Coincidence... who knows? My opinion... No Fucking Way... I look at the previous 3 flicks and don't see nowhere near the amount of Social Message that is found in the 3 newest, although Survival wasn't as bad as Land or Diary.

Diary's social message or THEME was more or less exactly spot on with the times so I don't think it is blatant as some others seem t think it is... However... LAND. Jesus that had such a heavy handed anti Bush Administration stance a 3 year old could dissect that and come up with the conclusion.... Yep, he hates republicans, or at least GWB :D

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Hey, I like Big Daddy. I've always been pro-Eugene!

I think you're the only person I know or willing to be Pro-BD/EC

That is cool, but never met a Romero fan that stood up in that way for BD/EC

[CooperWasRight]

Doc of the Dead is not what I will consider as any evidence and I will explain why...

Roy was a huge Romero fan, and began following him and learning about him after he had seen Night 68. Nothing wrong with that the guy is a fan, however, this was after critics began saying hey... the movies has some underlying social themes to it etc etc.

When Roy and George walk and talk about the movie he actually leads the question with the nod to consumerism message, his questions actually led George, or anyone from that matter, down a given path and at no time do the answers ultimately reflect anything that can be considered hard data because again the documentary was being produced and shot by a fan who had probably done some homework read many reviews and interviews and had already bought into said hype about the social message.

Again, the fabric that started Dawn of the Dead will always be and has never ceased to be George touring the mall and thinking this would be a cool place to hold in a zombie attack.

Just like the piece of thread that started Night was friends wanting to make a movie... They all admit casting Ben was because he was the best man for the job and it had no bearing on race, it wasn't until critics pointed out the "Taboo"s of what was going on did they realize it.

As I said, I love George, I love the movies... but this whole "Oh he has been doing social commentary since the beginning...." No, not buying into it especially because evidence exists that proves that to be Bullshit. And honestly the first 3 films... whatever "Message" was in them was so far pushed to the background that it wasn't really brought up until Critics began writing reviews and comparing the films to current times and situations.

Then comes the 20 year Hiatus between Day and Land... more interviews, most discussions... Romero begins touring the con circuit in the 90's, more hype surrounds the Message of the movies... then finally 9/11 comes, DAWN remake i greenlit after world simmers down, Romero is suddenly in the spotlight again, New releases of the original trilogy are popping up with new interviews and docs that were structured to this "Social Message" thing and then BAM! Land of the Dead is greenlit with the heaviest in your face punch your momma in the Jaw MESSAGE then any previous film.

Coincidence... who knows? My opinion... No Fucking Way... I look at the previous 3 flicks and don't see nowhere near the amount of Social Message that is found in the 3 newest, although Survival wasn't as bad as Land or Diary.

Diary's social message or THEME was more or less exactly spot on with the times so I don't think it is blatant as some others seem t think it is... However... LAND. Jesus that had such a heavy handed anti Bush Administration stance a 3 year old could dissect that and come up with the conclusion.... Yep, he hates republicans, or at least GWB :D

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I think you're the only person I know or willing to be Pro-BD/EC

That is cool, but never met a Romero fan that stood up in that way for BD/EC

Of course you dont want to take it into account because it does indeed prove you are wrong... So let me get this straight... The man who had turned down the potential for wider release and more money if Dawn was simply trimmed to and R rating... The man whom could have sold Night by changing the ending.... The man who cut the budget down on day of the dead in order to tell the story his way and express his own point of view.. Which by the way meant in order for that integrity and to keep his voice he re wrote and basically shot a different film because be able to tell a story and have his voice matter and tell it his way was that important...

That sounds like the type of guy that would allow someone to not only make up an interpretation but have George also regurgitate that in a doc.

Im sorry but by the logic you are demonstrating the only way you could settle this is if you go back in time and get in George's head somehow... Because his word's while filming the movie before critics and fans could notice the collective figment is not good enough for you... Your whole post is a bunch of speculation... While my argument is based on documented reality.

Rather then admit you are wrong.. You would rather resort to some conspiratorial idea that George was led in an interview on his own film...

[DjfunkmasterG]

Of course you dont want to take it into account because it does indeed prove you are wrong...

You owe me a laptop monitor from spraying coffee all over it from laughing hysterically at how hard core you truly believe your own Bullshit and the Bullshit spewed out over past embellishments on Romero and the social message.



So let me get this straight... The man who had turned down the potential for wider release and more money if Dawn was simply trimmed to and R rating...

As usual you're wrong again. He never turned it down... he never submitted it because everyone knew it had to play as is. It was studios who wanted to cut it and he they turned down studio offers. Not the rating or the wider release... The only time the R rating came into play was when Rubinstein submitted it and made cuts so they could re-release it with Creepshow at Drive-ins back in the 80's, but ended up surrendering the R rating and restored the cuts because of fan backlash. (you better know your trivia if you're going to debate me on this shit coop, MPAA site even lists the R certificate as surrendered in 1983)



The man whom could have sold Night by changing the ending.... I am not 100% sure on this, but I will give to you anyway because it seems plausible.. I have to re-watch some Night Docs before I debate that statement alone.



The man who cut the budget down on day of the dead in order to tell the story his way and express his own point of view..

WRONG WRONG WRONG! Watch your documentaries you bubble head.
He didn't cut it down. When he turned in that epic script Sallah Hussein who owned United Distribution told him he wouldn't give him $7,000,000 to shoot it and release it unrated, for that much it had to be an R or nothing.

However, Sallah did say I will give you $3,000,000 and you can do whatever you want. George then went on to re-write the screenplay and out of his anger at being censored is why the script and movie is laced with hundreds of F-bombs. George, and this is confirmed by David Ball a co-producer on day, wrote a very angry re-write because of that situation.

What the DAY doc didn't include was that Romero was upset about only being allowed $3,000,000 to do it his way because Sallah and Richard made a fortune off Dawn of the Dead and neither lobbied to change anyone's mind. (FYI back in the 70's between US and Foreign releases DAWN grossed upwards of $55,000,000)



Which by the way meant in order for that integrity and to keep his voice he re wrote and basically shot a different film because be able to tell a story and have his voice matter and tell it his way was that important...

Again re-watch the Day documentary on the 2 disc set this is stated plain as day as not being the case this is YOU embellishing incorrect statement to sway your argument.



That sounds like the type of guy that would allow someone to not only make up an interpretation but have George also regurgitate that in a doc.

Im sorry but by the logic you are demonstrating the only way you could settle this is if you go back in time and get in George's head somehow... Because his word's while filming the movie before critics and fans could notice the collective figment is not good enough for you... Your whole post is a bunch of speculation... While my argument is based on documented reality.

Rather then admit you are wrong.. You would rather resort to some conspiratorial idea that George was led in an interview on his own film...

ROTGDFLMMFAO - Dude you are delusional to the highest extreme. Everything we are debating here is in Documentaries as extras on the DVD's or in former written interviews. You have been manipulating it so bad to your favor that this time you clearly show how much you are wrong because everything in this last reply of yours is debunked by the DAY documentary alone.

The sad part in all of this is... YOU WENT TO FILM SCHOOL! :lol::lol::lol: and just had your ass handed to you by someone who holds a degree in Computer Sciences and just started making his own films instead of wasting 4 years on my life learning theory that I can get out of any fucking book for $10.00
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

This debate is officially done. You have proved to be not only moronic but someone coming up with shit out of thin air. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

See ya, and good luck with your career as a PA. However when we roll on Dead 3 you can come and be my personal assistant and this way if I am ever famous... you can easily say NO WAY I was on the set and Gary never would have done or said that if someone made some BS up about me or my methods.

Then I will show you how to make Zombies scary again with straight forward brutality tactics in the process. :elol:

[LouCipherr]

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[Trin]

The man who cut the budget down on day of the dead in order to tell the story his way and express his own point of view.. Which by the way meant in order for that integrity and to keep his voice he re wrote and basically shot a different film because be able to tell a story and have his voice matter and tell it his way was that important...
This is an example where I take issue with your contention that you are listing nothing but objective fact and incontrovertible proof, and everyone else is just throwing out opinion that was "made up in their heads."

Where Day is concerned GAR is repeatedly quoted through the years as saying, "They wouldn't let me make it as hard as I wanted," where he uses the term "hard" to indicate graphic in terms of violence and gore. Here you are construing that to indicate some lack of creative freedom with his expression of point of view. You make it sound like the studio had a problem with his message when in fact all they cared about was offending people's sensibilities with an overly gorey movie.

Your posts are filled with this kind of skewed conjecture of what would otherwise be factual statements. You expect people to take your "facts" as proof but you undermine your own credibility with stuff like this.

[DjfunkmasterG]

This is an example where I take issue with your contention that you are listing nothing but objective fact and incontrovertible proof, and everyone else is just throwing out opinion that was "made up in their heads."

Where Day is concerned GAR is repeatedly quoted through the years as saying, "They wouldn't let me make it as hard as I wanted," where he uses the term "hard" to indicate graphic in terms of violence and gore. Here you are construing that to indicate some lack of creative freedom with his expression of point of view. You make it sound like the studio had a problem with his message when in fact all they cared about was offending people's sensibilities with an overly gorey movie.

Your posts are filled with this kind of skewed conjecture of what would otherwise be factual statements. You expect people to take your "facts" as proof but you undermine your own credibility with stuff like this.

I couldn't take it anymore... the amount of incorrect statements he used were debunked easily by watching the documentary feature on the Day of the Dead 2 disc dvd set.

I ended up ignoring him all together because you can't argue with a moron.

[Danny]

It's been almost half a decade since i joined here. back then opinion was to each there own, not a childish battle where you must defend yours to the last because it is the only possible option ever.

What happened to enthusiastic debate and respecting alternative points of view instead of "NO U! I AM RIGHT ALL THE TIME SO EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG AND STUPID".


This is the goddamn cancer killing this forum and it's a damn shame it takes one of the youngest members to point it out.

[DjfunkmasterG]

It's been almost half a decade since i joined here. back then opinion was to each there own, not a childish battle where you must defend yours to the last because it is the only possible option ever.

What happened to enthusiastic debate and respecting alternative points of view instead of "NO U! I AM RIGHT ALL THE TIME SO EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG AND STUPID".


This is the goddamn cancer killing this forum and it's a damn shame it takes one of the youngest members to point it out.

you know why it has gotten this way? because of the ignorant and arrogant fucking members that have joined recently like Dubs and Coop... The forum has become flooded with jerk-off's like these two idiots and then we have to deal with it because no one else is... back in the day mods would have come in here and shut this fucking topic down, but now they let us go at it, and if it helps weed out the dumb fucks like Coop and Dubs... So be It. :D

I am more than happy to clean house if no one else will.

In fact I am going to take those fuck nuts off ignore just so I can lay into them some more. :D

[DEAD BEAT]

Knowing that guys style I wouldn't be suprised dude.

He just comes off like the type of free spirit that would do something like that.

I'll bet if there is one that it would sell better than survival. :lol:

:cool:

yeah he totally looks like there's little he wouldn't try, if he's that twisted with horror imagine his attitude towards boning!:eek:

I wouldn't doubt if he throws in a lil special effects like an exploding penis when he shoots a load!:stunned:

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Only if he is banging the 90 remake Barbara (Got a thing for red heads)

All kidding aside... DEAD there is a 3 DVD bootleg set of all of Savini's home movies from the sets of Day of the Dead and Creepshow. It isn't an official release or anything, but most vendors have it, if you wanna see how they worked on a lot of the gags.

no way! wow i'd like to get my hands on that! The closes i have is that bonus feature on the Day DVD when there workin' on the movie!:rant:

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Howard Sherman. :p



They seemed like they were learning to me. Throughout the film they do the same stuff BD does.

I personally liked the fact that we never saw BD eating. In a weird way that makes him more menacing, imo. Straight to the goal. Let the grunts have their meal.




In the commentary Romero says that was their original idea, but they couldn't clear it with the respective owners. There was also a trailer containing clips of the first three, but it was quickly pulled. Haven't seen it since...

EDIT: Scratch that. Now i've seen it again. :lol:

h7tBBrjhY1k&hl=en_US&fs=1

wow i can't believe i missed this! you know its a shame but this had potential to truely be really good 2 things recked it big time:

1. dont like my zombies learnin' bout shit but chomping someone's ass off!

2. "BIG DADDY" huge mistake with this character!

[darth los]

It's been almost half a decade since i joined here. back then opinion was to each there own, not a childish battle where you must defend yours to the last because it is the only possible option ever.

What happened to enthusiastic debate and respecting alternative points of view instead of "NO U! I AM RIGHT ALL THE TIME SO EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG AND STUPID".


This is the goddamn cancer killing this forum and it's a damn shame it takes one of the youngest members to point it out.

Nevr trust anyone over 30. :D

:cool:

[AcesandEights]

It's been almost half a decade since i joined here. back then opinion was to each there own, not a childish battle where you must defend yours to the last because it is the only possible option ever.

What happened to enthusiastic debate and respecting alternative points of view instead of "NO U! I AM RIGHT ALL THE TIME SO EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG AND STUPID".


This is the goddamn cancer killing this forum and it's a damn shame it takes one of the youngest members to point it out.

I look on it as just an internet lifecycle thing. Flame wars have been far worst in the past at various points and 'old guard' members move on in any community, especially online. People just need to live and let live a bit more, and us regulars need to not get on newcomer's shit so often, while people who know they're right should probably be content in knowing how right they are and not feel the need to expound upon the foolishness of those who disagree.

[darth los]

I look on it as just an internet lifecycle thing. Flame wars have been far worst in the past at various points and 'old guard' members move on in any community, especially online. People just need to live and let live a bit more, and us regulars need to not get on newcomer's shit so often, while people who know they're right should probably be content in knowing how right they are and not feel the need to expound upon the foolishness of those who disagree.

I fucking love this thing. :lol:

Very appropriate doncha think?

http://www.guitarforworship.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Someone-is-Wrong-on-the-Internet.jpg

:cool:

[MikePizzoff]

I feel temporary bans are brewing...

[bassman]

I feel temporary bans are brewing...

I doubt it. Haven't seen any mod action since Capn was booted. This thread is a perfect example. :lol:

[darth los]

I feel temporary bans are brewing...

You just know there's a tribunal that's been convened on the subject.

The mods have been conspicuously quiet doncha think?

There probably giving people enough rope to hang themselves...

:cool:

[DjfunkmasterG]

Normally I save all bitching for THXLEO... but these two knuckle heads just got on my last nerve, especially Coop coming up with his BS on the Documentaries and incorrect information.

Darth's poster about someone wrong on the internet is a perfect example of this thread, but what pissed me off is not the fact he was wrong... is that he claims to be this hardcore Romero fan and film student... yet he doesn't even know the basic trivia about the man or the movies.... which can be found in the extras on THE FUCKING DVD :rant:


that is what pisses me off about coop

Dubs, he is just a fucking asshole.

[CooperWasRight]

Quote:
Originally Posted by CooperWasRight View Post
So let me get this straight... The man who had turned down the potential for wider release and more money if Dawn was simply trimmed to and R rating...
As usual you're wrong again. He never turned it down... he never submitted it because everyone knew it had to play as is. It was studios who wanted to cut it and he they turned down studio offers. Not the rating or the wider release... The only time the R rating came into play was when Rubinstein submitted it and made cuts so they could re-release it with Creepshow at Drive-ins back in the 80's, but ended up surrendering the R rating and restored the cuts because of fan backlash. (you better know your trivia if you're going to debate me on this shit coop, MPAA site even lists the R certificate as surrendered in 1983)

Exactly... This does not differ from my point at all... Studios are not comfortable with a none rated film... And he could have had a wider release and more ads had they done so...


Quote:
Originally Posted by CooperWasRight View Post
The man who cut the budget down on day of the dead in order to tell the story his way and express his own point of view..
WRONG WRONG WRONG! Watch your documentaries you bubble head.
He didn't cut it down. When he turned in that epic script Sallah Hussein who owned United Distribution told him he wouldn't give him $7,000,000 to shoot it and release it unrated, for that much it had to be an R or nothing.

However, Sallah did say I will give you $3,000,000 and you can do whatever you want. George then went on to re-write the screenplay and out of his anger at being censored is why the script and movie is laced with hundreds of F-bombs. George, and this is confirmed by David Ball a co-producer on day, wrote a very angry re-write because of that situation.

What the DAY doc didn't include was that Romero was upset about only being allowed $3,000,000 to do it his way because Sallah and Richard made a fortune off Dawn of the Dead and neither lobbied to change anyone's mind. (FYI back in the 70's between US and Foreign releases DAWN grossed upwards of $55,000,000)

Again how is your point conflicting with mine... You are only backing my point... 7,000,000, is more then 3,000,000... The script had to be changed if he wanted to the control he was looking for.

The funny thing is last night I indeed watched the dead will walk and the day before Document and the many days of day of the dead... Im be subjective here.. It seems you just want me to be wrong so badly you dont realize how your points are not really different then mine in you last post addressing me.

Also congrats on going overboard with the personal attacks... It is nice how you assume I went to film school... And then proceed to blast me for doing so. For a man whom believes in formulas that have worked for those whom came before him you seem to be ignoring a lot of history were people like Lucas, Scorsese, Carpenter... The list really goes on and on on those whom attended film school and did not simply end up us a pa.

[SymphonicX]

never thought I'd say this but

it's only a movie

[BillyRay]

never thought I'd say this but

it's only a movie

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

We salute you.

http://www.the4thmarketeer.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Salute.jpg

[DjfunkmasterG]

Is cooper trying to say something? I can't tell I have him on Ignore again.

I decided it was best to not feed the trolls

[darth los]

Is cooper trying to say something? I can't tell I have him on Ignore again.

I decided it was best to not feed the trolls

Even if someone is on ignore there's a "view the post" tab you can click if you're curious as to what they said.

:cool:

[DEAD BEAT]

I doubt it. Haven't seen any mod action since Capn was booted. This thread is a perfect example. :lol:

Capn was booted? lol no wonder i dont see him!:confused:

but i agree if people come here and talk shit they better have the knowledge to back it up....other wise eat a fat veiny cock! am i right?:rockbrow::moon:

Plus i figure if your not here to talk bout GAR and Zombies flicks why the fuck would you wanna be on here....that's how i see it!

[BillyRay]

There's a review with author China Mieville (kraken, City & the City) over on i09 today, and he says something about JJ Abrams and Joss Whedon that I thoight relevant:



I've never met [JJ Abrams]. I am not a member of his fan club or anti-fan club. I disliked Cloverfield a very great deal. I disliked Star Trek intensely. I thought it was terrible.
And I think part of my problem is that I feel like the relationship between JJ Abrams' projects and geek culture is one of relatively unloving repackaging - sort of cynical. I taste contempt in the air. Now I'm not a child - I know that all big scifi projects are suffused with the contempt of big money for its own target audience. But there's something about [JJ's projects] that makes me particularly uncomfortable.
As compared to somebody like Joss Whedon, who - even when there are misfires - I feel likes me and loves me and is on some cultural level my brother and comrade. And I don't feel that way about JJ Abrams.


I think Mieville's thoughts (mostly about Whedon) echo my own. Uncle George, regardless of any specific criticism/nitpicking about any of his films, has always tried to make the best, most entertaining film he can with the resources and personnel availiable to him.

If I feel that an effort by Mr Romero is "bad", It's not a betrayal of trust. I might consider it a failure on his part, or a noble effort. But I feel like he's making the sort of movies he's want to see as a horror fan from way back.

[darth los]

Capn was booted? lol no wonder i dont see him!:confused:

but i agree if people come here and talk shit they better have the knowledge to back it up....other wise eat a fat veiny cock! am i right?:rockbrow::moon:

Plus i figure if your not here to talk bout GAR and Zombies flicks why the fuck would you wanna be on here....that's how i see it!


You didn't know?

Brother, are you high?

Wait. Don't answer that. LMFAO! :lol:

GAr is the reason people come here but that wears off quickly. How many timeline discussions discusion can one have before you want to lose it?

There's plenty more to do here than just that, imo.

:cool:

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I think this thread has gotten completely off the rails. Not for the obvious reasons but it has turned into a GAr brownosing thread vs. the bashers.

But i don't think anyone here means to bash him. They just want him to produce what he's shown he's capable of.

The dude is a fucking rock star. I think the people who appear to be bashing him would be the ones who would be most estatic if he produces a film that's true to form.

I know i would.

:cool:

[LouCipherr]

There's plenty more to do here than just that, imo.


Like discussing BACON! :lol:

[darth los]

Like discussing BACON! :lol:

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

http://bacontoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/omg-bacon-baby.jpg

:cool:

[Legion2213]

Like discussing BACON! :lol:

And crotch itching techniques... :cool:

[AcesandEights]

And crotch itching techniques... :cool:

That was a classic lounge discussion! Classless, but a classic.

[DjfunkmasterG]

That was a classic lounge discussion! Classless, but a classic.

Thank you :D

[darth los]

That was a classic lounge discussion! Classless, but a classic.

That's right up there with Balls of the dead, imo.

:cool:

[LouCipherr]

And crotch itching techniques... :cool:

:lol:


That was a classic lounge discussion! Classless, but a classic.

:lol: :lol:


That's right up there with Balls of the dead, imo.

Almost forgot about that one! :lol:


Now, someone get me some bacon while I scratch my balls! And none of that turkey bacon shit! PIG BACON! OINK!

[DjfunkmasterG]

And crotch itching techniques... :cool:

Had to go and search it out and resurrect that mother in honor if its discussion right here... and I didn't resurrect it with just a word or two I put in some more advice... especially for the ladies. :elol::sneaky:

http://forum.homepageofthedead.com/showpost.php?p=239580&postcount=76

[DEAD BEAT]

That's right up there with Balls of the dead, imo.

:cool:

geez how many zombie porno's can they possibly come up with? lol;)

"and yeah im high as a mofo as i reckon!" lol

But don't get me wrong dude i dont get high all the time i take a break.....when im sleeping! lol:D:lol::clown:

[C5NOTLD]

This thread reminds me of most of the characters from GAR's zombie films who finds themselves thrown together but won't try to get along with their endless bickering/power struggles/egos and attitudes/etc. Ultimately it always leads to their downfall. :skull:


.

[darth los]

It's really all over isn't it?

:cool:

[DEAD BEAT]

It's really all over isn't it?

:cool:

if it is load me up with all the weed and hookers you can get your mitts on!;)

[Danny]

This thread reminds me of most of the characters from GAR's zombie films who finds themselves thrown together but won't try to get along with their endless bickering/power struggles/egos and attitudes/etc. Ultimately it always leads to their downfall. :skull:


.

imagine the forum regulars in the dawn situation.
i push JDFP over a railing during a 'fedora vs trilby' battle then he grabs my wrist and pulls me over too.
Andy has gone power mad in the good old "I HAVE A BADGE AND WILL KICK YOUR ASS AND GET AWAY WITH IT" horror movie way.
THXLeo is holed up in the sports store and like ravenholm in half life its best avoided.
MZ has built a nest in the back of a pornstore and anything that goes in there doesnt come back...
Dj is on the roof dropping heavy things on zombies.
acesandeights and darth loss and bassman are trying to survive, but the jerky is running out and there getting tetchy
Lou has gone feral and is garbed in rags and facepaint and is ontop of the fountain screaming about bacon and peeing on the zombies.

the list goes on and on.:lol:

[BillyRay]

It's really all over isn't it?

:cool:

Perhaps, but to quote Dr Logan...

"Where will you go?"

[DjfunkmasterG]

It's really all over isn't it?

:cool:

GOODBYE CRUEL WORLD!
http://msnsmileys.net/k/smileys/Kolobok_Dark_Skin_-_Madhouse/suicide.gif

So does anyone who chats with the mods know why they didn't come in here like Gangbusters and shut it down?

Are they hoping we flame war ourselves to death and they just sweep up the ashes and start over?

[Trin]

I think this thread has gotten completely off the rails. Not for the obvious reasons but it has turned into a GAr brownosing thread vs. the bashers.

But i don't think anyone here means to bash him. They just want him to produce what he's shown he's capable of.

The dude is a fucking rock star. I think the people who appear to be bashing him would be the ones who would be most estatic if he produces a film that's true to form.

I know i would.

:cool:I want to bash him into producing what he's capable of. Because gentle criticism didn't work after Land. Polite outrage didn't work after Diary. And now with Survival in the can there's really nothing to lose.

I would also be amongst the most ecstatic if he produces a film true to form, yes.

More than anything, and what I was *hoping* this thread would help define, is just what the F happened between Day and Survival that GAR has lost it? We've talked about Indie vs. Studio, the people he surrounds himself with, intentional vs. unintentional commentary, creative freedom... tons of stuff. Lots of problems have been noted but none of it really pins down exactly what part of the magic formula is broken. What really needs to change for us to get another worthy entry?

Because once we figure out what's broken we can stop the bashing and start the constructive criticism.

*best one-legged priest voice* ... "We must stop the bashing... or lose the filmmaker."

[CooperWasRight]

GOODBYE CRUEL WORLD!
http://msnsmileys.net/k/smileys/Kolobok_Dark_Skin_-_Madhouse/suicide.gif

So does anyone who chats with the mods know why they didn't come in here like Gangbusters and shut it down?

Are they hoping we flame war ourselves to death and they just sweep up the ashes and start over?

Hey we are in agreement about one thing.. I mentioned I was surprised this thread wasn't locked before I even posted.

[DEAD BEAT]

GOODBYE CRUEL WORLD!
http://msnsmileys.net/k/smileys/Kolobok_Dark_Skin_-_Madhouse/suicide.gif

So does anyone who chats with the mods know why they didn't come in here like Gangbusters and shut it down?

Are they hoping we flame war ourselves to death and they just sweep up the ashes and start over?

Thats a good question you know i was away from this site for close to a year and right away noticed they let you cuss on here now b4 it would block out the words....beats me but now that Capn's been wasted i won't relax so quickly! http://msnsmileys.net/k/smileys/Kolobok_Dark_Skin_-_Madhouse/suicide.gif

[DjfunkmasterG]

I bet the train of thought is... they will get tired of it and just give up. :lol:

Which is ironic because I said fuck it... and just ignored two people... life is much simpler now.

Any chance of you sharing some of the fine Herb you got Dead Beat?

Smoke'em the peace joint. :rant:

[bassman]

Thats a good question you know i was away from this site for close to a year and right away noticed they let you cuss on here now b4 it would block out the words....

Always thought it was strange to block curses on a website dedicated to a filmmaker that makes films as graphic and vulgar as Day.

You really were gone for a while if you missed the curse filter being lifted. That seems like ages ago now...

[Legion2213]

I seem to remember it was lifted for a few days then slammed back down again...and then permanently lifted later on (which is fucking boss IMO).

[DEAD BEAT]

Always thought it was strange to block curses on a website dedicated to a filmmaker that makes films as graphic and vulgar as Day.

You really were gone for a while if you missed the curse filter being lifted. That seems like ages ago now...

yeah dude dont no why but i didnt come on here for a long ass time...its like a great piece of ass...you never forget it and every once and a while wanna reminisce!;)

[Danny]

who remembers the fucking rep system?

hows that for some nostalgia.

[DEAD BEAT]

I bet the train of thought is... they will get tired of it and just give up. :lol:

Which is ironic because I said fuck it... and just ignored two people... life is much simpler now.

Any chance of you sharing some of the fine Herb you got Dead Beat?

Smoke'em the peace joint. :rant:

like what George Lopez says "if you don't like it....don't look @ it! lol;)

and sure bong load on me! :D :bored::|

[bassman]

yeah dude dont no why but i didnt come on here for a long ass time...its like a great piece of ass...you never forget it and every once and a while wanna reminisce!;)

"We're after the place. We don't know why, we just remember. Remember that we want to be in here..."



who remembers the fucking rep system?


That was a fucking disaster from the start. What fun it was, though. :lol:

[Danny]

That was a fucking disaster from the start. What fun it was, though. :lol:

I loved how a dick would dick up a thread and you barely had to refresh the page to see his approval rating go low. :lol:

[LouCipherr]

lou has gone feral and is garbed in rags and facepaint and is ontop of the fountain screaming about bacon and peeing on the zombies.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42956000/jpg/_42956483_moscowfountain_ap416.jpg

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONN !!!! :lol:

[JDFP]

GOODBYE CRUEL WORLD!
http://msnsmileys.net/k/smileys/Kolobok_Dark_Skin_-_Madhouse/suicide.gif

So does anyone who chats with the mods know why they didn't come in here like Gangbusters and shut it down?

Are they hoping we flame war ourselves to death and they just sweep up the ashes and start over?

Last time I saw Kaos and Andy they were walking into the "SECRET" (ahem) moderator forum with a case of cognac and box of Haitian cigars saying they wouldn't come out until they cleaned the place of Cap'n's leftover Traci Lords collection inside the place.

I haven't heard from them since then...:shifty:

j.p.

[darth los]

who remembers the fucking rep system?

hows that for some nostalgia.

+ 1! :lol:

:cool:

[Kaos]

I found the exchanges in this thread amusing, but due to popular demand the thread is closed.