WTF?! More anti-marijuana propaganda pending legalization vote in CA

[LouCipherr]

Well well well.. from the "WHAT THE FUCK?!" files, we have this today:

Fines Double for Pot Brownies (http://www.politico.com/click/stories/1008/pot_brownies_under_attack.html)

Un-fucking-believeable. So, add chocolate and butter and suddenly it's double the fine & penalty?! :mad:

Not sure how many people know about this, but the state of California here in the US has the legalization of marijuana for personal use up for vote in November.

Personally, for adults, I don't have a problem with this - in fact, I encourage this move. Sure, you're going to get adults buying the shit for kids just like they do alcohol, but there really is no way to stop that. Doesn't work for cigarettes either, but I digress...

What I do find disturbing is this: ever since this bill for legalization made it onto the ballot for vote in November, there have been a shit-ton of stupid stories bashing marijuana and people trying to stress how "dangerous" it is. Really? I mean, really? Do people watch 'Reefer Madness' and actually believe that shit? I see first hand how dangerous it: you smoke a joint and sit in front of the TV watching cartoons and eating Cheetos. It's a horrible thing, isn't it? :rolleyes:

This story above, about the brownies, is just one example of the tens if not hundreds of stories that have been cropping up by the people who are petrified to see this happen. I think these people need to get their head out of their ass and just do what's right. Prohibition doesn't work - we found that out the hard way with alcohol. Anyone - i'd even go so far as to say EVERYONE who has tried marijuana - knows damn well the effects are less impairing than their alcohol counter-part.

Not only that, I've been an avid smoker for 22 years now - never missed a day of work because of it, have NEVER done it before nor during work (it's strictly an 'after-work' and 'weekend' activity), and I hold down an excellent paying job (that even does pre-employment drug testing, not that it stops me from my own personal after work activities). So much for the stereotype pot smoker, eh? What I find extremely offensive is my government trying to tell me what I can put into my own body on my own personal time. It's none of their business, period.

Another thing: This law references in the link above specifically states " it shall be unlawful for any person at least 18 years of age to knowingly or intentionally manufacture or create, with intent to manufacture, create, distribute, or dispense, a controlled substance listed in schedule I or II that is..." etc. So, does that mean if I make pot brownies at age 16 I'm exempt from this law? :annoyed:

Your thoughts?

[Danny]

It's too large an industry thats free from government control an legislation to be allowed in. no matter what people vote it will be rigged to be denied. Because lets face it, most people with addictive personalities would probably choose weed over booze and most would choose it over tobacco and that would be a crippling blow to too many american companies.
Honestly i have seen some effects from weed, i've seen brilliant minds turn slow and stupid in that "dude....what?" kind of way but i'd rather see that happen to them than lung or liver cancer.
Course id rather see none of the above but if its legal and advertised as the cleanest high then people would go for it in droves, providing a new uncontrolled buisness that would grow to powerful too fast and will never be allowed.

[bassman]

What's the point? From what I've heard, it's basically already legal in California, anyway. "Doctor I have panic attacks" or some shit like that and boom....medical marijuana license.

[AcesandEights]

Great...now I want brownies.

Thanks alot Lou! :rant:

Missed my lunch and I'm so hungry I could tear into a homeless person C.H.U.D.-like.

[Tricky]

"Doctor I have panic attacks" or some shit like that and boom

And to think its weed that started mine!

[AcesandEights]

And to think its weed that started mine!

Yeah, when I get really baked (at most a handful of times a year), I can get a little weednoia. Some people are more susceptible to certain types of effects than others.

[bassman]

Back in the day I noticed I would only get paranoid after NOT smoking for a long time. Then that first time back i'm looking around the room for government ninjas. But when I smoked regularly I never got paranoid.

So kids....if you stop and start again it only makes it weird. Keep smoking regularly!

[AcesandEights]

Back in the day I noticed I would only get paranoid after NOT smoking for a long time. Then that first time back i'm looking around the room for government ninjas. But when I smoked regularly I never got paranoid.

So kids....if you stop and start again it only makes it weird. Keep smoking regularly!

Well, the sort of paranoia I speak of is the 'Oh my god, I think I've done permanent brain damage' sort where you're still high long after you feel as though you should be. This was especially true the last night in Amsterdam when we thought we'd 'take it easy', stay in and just have some hash cake. I was still stoned when I got on the plane like 14 hours later :lol:

[Tricky]

Then that first time back i'm looking around the room for government ninjas.

I remember when I was around 19/20 when I was smoking the stuff a lot, and I got these ridiculous paranoid thoughts that there was microphones in my car & that people could hear me singing along to music or ranting about other drivers as I do, and I was seriously considering taking my dashboard apart to look for them! :shifty: That was when I decided to quit that stuff completely & I havent touched it since. I went onto harder stuff for a while as i've explained in other past threads on here, but eventually that did my anxiety & crap thoughts no favours either so I stopped all drugs barring alcohol!

[rongravy]

What's the point? From what I've heard, it's basically already legal in California, anyway. "Doctor I have panic attacks" or some shit like that and boom....medical marijuana license.
One guy I know got it for acid reflux.
Then I got to thinking: he gets high to ease the pain. Then he gets the munchies and grabs some Taco Bell and the heartburn starts anew. Time to smoke again. It's a vicious cycle...
:lol:


As far as the brownies, I can see the point in that a kid might scarf a whole batch down by accident and flip the fuck out. If you make them, keep them within sight and definitely out of reach.
Better yet... make it into something kids don't like to eat. Something with broccoli in it.

[LouCipherr]

It's too large an industry thats free from government control an legislation to be allowed in. no matter what people vote it will be rigged to be denied. Because lets face it, most people with addictive personalities would probably choose weed over booze and most would choose it over tobacco and that would be a crippling blow to too many american companies.

I've always thought the one thing that would keep it from becoming legal is the simple fact that the government would have to admit they BLATENTLY LIED about the effects and dangers of it for decades...and we all know how the government likes to admit they're wrong.


What's the point? From what I've heard, it's basically already legal in California, anyway. "Doctor I have panic attacks" or some shit like that and boom....medical marijuana license.

Well, yes and no. That's an extremely gray area at this point. Legal medically on the state level, but at the same time, places being busted by the FEDERAL agents since they seem to not care that states can make their own laws. :rolleyes:



One guy I know got it for acid reflux.
Then I got to thinking: he gets high to ease the pain. Then he gets the munchies and grabs some Taco Bell and the heartburn starts anew. Time to smoke again. It's a vicious cycle...
:lol:

I always thought that about making brownies or cookies - I mean, it's the same cycle. Eat a brownie, get high, get the munchies, grab another brownie, get higher than hell, get munchies, eat another brownie, pass out and wake up a few hours later with no hangover. :lol: :D

[bassman]

Saw this on Adult Swim last night and laughed my ass off. Seemed fitting for this thread.:p


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[LouCipherr]

Saw this on Adult Swim last night and laughed my ass off. Seemed fitting for this thread.:p

By far my favorite Family Guy/Weed episode:

Family Guy - Everything is Better With a Bag of Weed! (http://videosift.com/video/Everything-is-Better-With-a-Bag-of-Weed)

[bassman]

:lol:

It's funny because it's true....

That tune is going to be stuck in my head all day.

[BillyRay]

Wait....

What were we just talking about?

[bassman]

Wait....

What were we just talking about?

"Weigh anchor! How much does it weigh? I don't know, I forgot! pffttt! Ha ha I saw that in a movie once..."

[LouCipherr]

Wait....

What were we just talking about?

I think someone said something about brownies, but I can't remember... :lol:

[BillyRay]

Re-posting this in an actual thread, man....

hMM_T_PJ0Rs

It's like that Rush song about the trees, man....

Oh, WOW, man...

THE TREES ARE,

like,

US, MAN!!...

[darth los]

This is one of the most prudish countries in the world when it comes to legislation.

We get all up in arms about social issues that don't really affect us.

If some one wants to smoke weed how the hell is that affecting me?

If someone wants to be gay and marry their partner or have an abortion for instance, how the hell is that my problem?

Who the hell cares? Yet elections turn on crap like this.

Un fucking believable. :rolleyes:

:cool:

[AcesandEights]

This is one of the most prudish countries in the world when it comes to legislation.

While we do tend towards some heavy-handedness on a lot of these so-called morality issues, I think marijuana is still illegal in a majority of 1st world countries.

[MinionZombie]

But what if you smoked a bowl and then ate normal brownies - good lord man, you're baking pot brownies in your turd oven! :stunned:

:lol::p:lol:

[darth los]

But what if you smoked a bowl and then ate normal brownies - good lord man, you're baking pot brownies in your turd oven! :stunned:

:lol::p:lol:

Only from the mind of MZ! :lol:

:cool:

[slickwilly13]

I have never tried laced brownies. Is there really a diffrence compared to smoking?

[Eyebiter]

This debate has nothing to do with legalization. It's all about taxes.

As in the government doesn't want it to happen unless they can get their cut.

[darth los]

This debate has nothing to do with legalization. It's all about taxes.

As in the government doesn't want it to happen unless they can get their cut.

Just like everything else. I have no problem with that.

Whats the hold up man !?! :hyper:

:cool:

[Tricky]

I honestly think if the stuff was really as harmless as the legalise crowd make it out to be, it would already be just as legal & just as taxed as tobacco & booze are. Like I said earlier after smoking it fairly heavily for around a year in my late teens, I had some paranoia & it started my anxiety problems so I stopped smoking the stuff & havent since, but I dont doubt if I'd carried on I'd have ended up with a psychosis. It doesnt happen to everyone, and granted some people are more vulnerable to mental problems than others, but without a sure fire way of screening for that, does it really present a case to make it available to everyone? its like playing russian roulette with your mind. Plus in my own experience, most teens who start smoking it do so in such a way that they get absolutely off their box everytime! We never did it by halves, we'd have fat joints with hardly any baccy in rolled up ready to smoke, while taking huge deep breaths from a bong packed full of strong resin, we werent smoking to chill, we were smoking to get battered, and thats at an age when the mind is most vulnerable.


If cannabis is safe, why am I psychotic?

The following is a short excerpt from a very long story in the January, 04 article in "The Times of London "

THERE WAS SOMETHING horribly fast and terribly chilling about the onset of Steve Hammond's psychosis. His father Terry remembers feeling a shiver down his spine when, sitting in front of the television, Steve turned to him with a strange look in his eyes and said: "Why did you ring up the BBC?"

"Of course, I told him I hadn't," Terry recalls. "But then Steve said: 'Yes you did. You rang them up and told them I'm a lazy, useless bastard. And they've been broadcasting it all day.'"

This was the start of three years of hell for the Hammond family; three years during which Steve, a bright, handsome and popular 22-year-old, descended into madness and despair. For Terry it was the moment when he first saw the illness for himself. For Steve it was a frightening repeat of an episode a few days earlier when, with no papers to roll a joint, he ate a chunk of cannabis resin and collapsed in a nightclub toilet. "When I woke up I heard someone saying: 'It's OK Steve, you can get up now, you're all right'," he recalls. "When I looked around, there was no one there.

"That's when my voices started and I've had them ever since. I was so scared you can't imagine. I had voices coming from everywhere - the ceiling, the floor, in my head. It was the most frightening nightmare you could imagine, except I was awake."

Steve is one of 210,000 people in the UK who suffer from schizophrenia, and one of a growing number who believe cannabis caused their condition. Ten years ago psychiatrists would have disagreed with him. But three weeks before the Government is due to reclassify cannabis from a Class B to a Class C drug, that view has changed dramatically. Some of Britain's most senior psychiatrists say the drug is now the "No 1 problem" facing mental health services. Psychiatrists in inner-city areas speak of cannabis being a factor in up to 80 per cent of schizophrenia cases, and mental health specialists are bracing themselves for an increase in the problem as reclassification is misinterpreted as an assurance that the drug is safe.

For years psychiatrists have noticed a high level of cannabis use among people with psychosis, a generic term for schizophrenia, delusional episodes, manic depression and so on. But it had always been regarded as a chicken and egg problem; sufferers tended to have behavioural problems as adolescents and were more likely to use drugs to counter their often miserable lives. But all that changed two years ago when a group of researchers had the idea of relating cannabis and psychosis to the Dunedin group, a continuing long-term study of 1,000 children - now adults - in New Zealand. They found that those who used cannabis by the age of 15 were more than three times (i.e. 300% higher) as likely to develop illnesses such as schizophrenia.

Robin Murray, a professor at the Institute of Psychiatry and a consultant psychiatrist at the Maudsley Hospital in South London, took part in the groundbreaking research that first solved the chicken-and-egg problem. His co-authored report, published a year ago, concluded: "Although most young people use cannabis without harm, a vulnerable minority experience harmful outcomes. A tenth of the cannabis users by age 15 in our sample developed schizophreniform disorder by age 26 compared with 3 per cent of the remaining cohort. Our findings suggest that cannabis use among psychologically vulnerable adolescents should be strongly discouraged by parents, teachers, and health practitioners. Policy makers and lawmakers should concentrate on delaying onset of cannabis use."

In an interview with The Times, Professor Murray adds: "Unfortunately there were no experts in psychosis on the committees (the Home Affairs select committee and the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs) that advised the Government on re-classifying cannabis. That's not a criticism - at the time, no one thought there should have been. Since then there have been at least four studies that show the use of cannabis can significantly increase the likelihood of the onset of psychosis.

"I would say this is now the No 1 problem facing the mental health services in inner cities. In south London the incidence of psychosis has doubled since 1964. There is a terrible drain on resources. Not only are there people suffering from psychosis who would not be in in-patient beds if they were not using cannabis, but use of the drug also drastically reduces the chances of recovery. People who do improve go out on the streets, meet their old dealer, begin using the drug again and relapse. We're not saying that the Government shouldn't reclassify cannabis - for most people it causes no problems - but I am saying that if they're going to do it they should warn people of the possible downside."




Thats quite an old article, and since then cannabis has been re-classified as a class B drug due to those very reasons...

[fulci fan]

I have never tried laced brownies. Is there really a diffrence compared to smoking?

Yes. The THC effect is stronger when it goes to your stomach and your high is longer and more intense. If you get a medical brownie or something, They put in an Indica strain rather than a sativa because Indica strains give you a body high and that is better for most patients suffering from body injuries and disorders.

I have never had food with pot in it, but I heard you can't eat too much or you will be in a bad place lol.

I suggest that everyone interested in Marijuana and legalizing it should check out "Barry Cooper's Never Get Busted" and "Never Get Busted Again" videos. He is an ex narc agent that teaches you how to out smart the police and not get caught with marijuana.

[Danny]

If you get a medical brownie or something,

......

"medical.brownie."

only in america i guess.:lol:

[Publius]

We get all up in arms about social issues that don't really affect us.

If some one wants to smoke weed how the hell is that affecting me?

If someone wants to be gay and marry their partner or have an abortion for instance, how the hell is that my problem?

One of these things is not like the others. Those who oppose abortion do so because they believe it does directly and fatally affect the interests of another human.


This debate has nothing to do with legalization. It's all about taxes.

As in the government doesn't want it to happen unless they can get their cut.

If it's all about taxes, what's keeping the government from legalizing and taxing the heck out of it?

[MinionZombie]

Only from the mind of MZ! :lol:

:cool:
It's a wonderful place to be, you should holiday there in the Autumn. :D

[MikePizzoff]

I VERY rarely ever smoke pot (not even a handful of times a year) and I'm all for it being legalized.

I'm fairly certain it will become legal across the whole country within most of our lifetimes, as its yet another thing for the gov't to put a tax on.

[BillyRay]

Tricky, you harshed my mellow....

[slickwilly13]

I VERY rarely ever smoke pot (not even a handful of times a year) and I'm all for it being legalized.

I'm fairly certain it will become legal across the whole country within most of our lifetimes, as its yet another thing for the gov't to put a tax on.

Coming from you, it is a surprised. Because I have seen what you look like and fit the stereotype of someone who smokes religiously.

[MikePizzoff]

Coming from you, it is a surprised. Because I have seen what you look like and fit the stereotype of someone who smokes religiously.

Yeah, haha. I agree that I do look like the stereotypical stoner but you know how the saying goes: don't judge a book by it's cover.

[bassman]

Yeah, haha. I agree that I do look like the stereotypical stoner but you know how the saying goes: don't judge a book by it's cover.

Isn't that the truth. When I was a teenager my friends and I were entering a concert when a cop started acting funny. There were four of us total. Three of us had smoked a bit earlier and the fourth guy was straight edge. He didn't even drink....but he had long hair and tattoos where as we didn't. The cop questioned and searched him up and down for 15 minutes. Never even looked at us "normal" kids.:lol:

[rongravy]

Isn't that the truth. When I was a teenager my friends and I were entering a concert when a cop started acting funny. There were four of us total. Three of us had smoked a bit earlier and the fourth guy was straight edge. He didn't even drink....but he had long hair and tattoos where as we didn't. The cop questioned and searched him up and down for 15 minutes. Never even looked at us "normal" kids.:lol:

Even short haired and "in business" I've been told I look like trouble.
By women, of course:lol:, but police seem to not see me. It is because I'm invisible to them. Now, though, even if in the past I seemed to attract all that negative bullshit.
Weed never did anybody wrong. Mix it with any other numerous hang ups and you are done for.
PRIORITIZE, I say...............................

[JDFP]

I've seen quite a bit recently mentioned about connections between Schizophrenia and other mental/psychological issues being linked with cannabis usage. Just not really my batch of brownies, I have zero interest in it.

The only "drug" (outside alcohol) I ever really enjoyed was the Colombian nose candy variety and I stay away from that due to the fact that it's expensive and I've heard nasty rumors from people that it can be bad for you (I say that's pish, but I digress). Now that stuff DID make me paranoid as all get out, I used to think that every person in the bar was a government agent and at my apartment at the time in Atlanta I used to go out to the balcony and watch the parking lot because I just *knew* that the secret gov't agents were watching me. Eh, just don't need it.

I'm perfectly content with a 12-pack of fine American piss-beer and would prefer a 12-pack over liquor or mary-jane or any other item of interest. I'm content with my alcohol addiction. The only major issue I have with beer is that after the second pitcher I become extremely friendly with the ladies which can lead to trouble and sometimes go to a bad place in my mind ("I can't believe that bitch... etc. etc.").

j.p.

[rongravy]

I've seen quite a bit recently mentioned about connections between Schizophrenia and other mental/psychological issues being linked with cannabis usage. Just not really my batch of brownies, I have zero interest in it.

The only "drug" (outside alcohol) I ever really enjoyed was the Colombian nose candy variety and I stay away from that due to the fact that it's expensive and I've heard nasty rumors from people that it can be bad for you (I say that's pish, but I digress). Now that stuff DID make me paranoid as all get out, I used to think that every person in the bar was a government agent and at my apartment at the time in Atlanta I used to go out to the balcony and watch the parking lot because I just *knew* that the secret gov't agents were watching me. Eh, just don't need it.

I'm perfectly content with a 12-pack of fine American piss-beer and would prefer a 12-pack over liquor or mary-jane or any other item of interest. I'm content with my alcohol addiction. The only major issue I have with beer is that after the second pitcher I become extremely friendly with the ladies which can lead to trouble and sometimes go to a bad place in my mind ("I can't believe that bitch... etc. etc.").

j.p.

Please tell me you don't wear that hat out to meet the ladies. I know I'm giving you shit, but do yo thang.
and on that note, I just heard evil laughter outside my window...
From a lady, no less.
I personally wear either a South Park or Star Wars tee to anything special, so nevermind me.
Do yo thang...

[JDFP]

Please tell me you don't wear that hat out to meet the ladies. I know I'm giving you shit, but do yo thang.
and on that note, I just heard evil laughter outside my window...
From a lady, no less.
I personally wear either a South Park or Star Wars tee to anything special, so nevermind me.
Do yo thang...

Ron, are you jealous of the tail I get from the fedora? Goodness, I'll let you borrower it sometime if that's the case. :D

It actually belonged to my grandpa, I don't wear it too often. But the way I look at it is that just because the rest of the world has gone to hell with style doesn't mean I should -- men ought to wear a good hat, it gives style to substance. Plus donning and doffing a hat is a sign of great respect.

j.p.

[darth los]

I've seen quite a bit recently mentioned about connections between Schizophrenia and other mental/psychological issues being linked with cannabis usage. Just not really my batch of brownies, I have zero interest in it.

The only "drug" (outside alcohol) I ever really enjoyed was the Colombian nose candy variety and I stay away from that due to the fact that it's expensive and I've heard nasty rumors from people that it can be bad for you (I say that's pish, but I digress). Now that stuff DID make me paranoid as all get out, I used to think that every person in the bar was a government agent and at my apartment at the time in Atlanta I used to go out to the balcony and watch the parking lot because I just *knew* that the secret gov't agents were watching me. Eh, just don't need it.

I'm perfectly content with a 12-pack of fine American piss-beer and would prefer a 12-pack over liquor or mary-jane or any other item of interest. I'm content with my alcohol addiction. The only major issue I have with beer is that after the second pitcher I become extremely friendly with the ladies which can lead to trouble and sometimes go to a bad place in my mind ("I can't believe that bitch... etc. etc.").

j.p.


Dude, you don't have an alcohol problem.

You drink.

Get drunk.

Pass out.

No problem. :D

:cool:

[JDFP]

Dude, you don't have an alcohol problem.

You drink.

Get drunk.

Pass out.

No problem. :D

:cool:

Whoever said it was a "problem"?

You just summed up most evenings for me there, Los. :)

j.p.

[rongravy]

Dude, you don't have an alcohol problem.

You drink.

Get drunk.

Pass out.

No problem. :D

:cool:
Practice what you preach...


Plus donning and doffing a hat is a sign of great respect.

j.p.

I will most definitely give you that. The sign of a true gentleman. I'd almost expect the same from Los Whatever, but I have to always remember he is a dark lord... of Wahhhh?

[EDukes]

What the hell where you people smoking? LoL. I smoked marijuana during my high school years, but I was never worried about government agents. Then again, everytime I smoked it I was at a friend's house, so we were always too busy laughing our asses off or watching the christmas lights flicker.
There was one time that we got stoned before catching the bus to school. It was on the last day of school, and I remember being memorized by the poster of the human muscular system in Biology.

[LouCipherr]

I don't buy that Marijuana/THC is dangerous to everyone. Actually, i don't think it's harmful at all unless your habit is getting in the way of your normal everyday life. Put it this way, I'm 39, have been a every-day smoker for over two decades - I'm not a paranoid schizo (wait, who said that?!) nor do I have any leanings at all towards it. If this shit was as dangerous as some of the propaganda out there, there would be MILLIONS of insane people out there. In fact, most of my friends would be in looney bins by this point as they smoke way more than me.

It's like music and suicide - if you committed suicide listening to Ozzy, it's not because Ozzy or the music told you to do - you were already pre-dispositioned or in the head-space to do it in the first place. It might "help" you along, but it wasn't the sole deciding factor of your suicide. Same with this schizophrenia and marijuana - you were probably going to end up that way anyway, it may have been 'helped' along by the weed or sped up by it, but it's not the sole cause of it all... you were already on your way or leaning in that direction in the first place. It's bullshit, or everyone I know would be insane.

[bassman]

What the hell where you people smoking? LoL. I smoked marijuana during my high school years, but I was never worried about government agents.

I don't know about the others, but my "government ninjas" statement was a joke. The few times I would get paranoid, it was never really over anything in particular. It was just that overwhelming feeling that something is going to happen.

It was rare when that would happen with me, though. Now I don't really smoke except for special occasions and it seems to work out fine. Sometimes I miss smoking everyday, but as I've said before - It's just not worth losing my house and family over. I won't keep any in the house, but should a friend bring some over for a night of grilling and drinking....:elol:

[LouCipherr]

Another good example:

Facebook Blocks Ads for Marijuana Legalization Campaign (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/24/facebook-blocks-ads-for-p_n_692295.html)

Give to me a large fucking break. :rolleyes:


quick excerpt:

For a typical college student, if it didn't happen on Facebook, it didn't happen. That gives the social networking behemoth an out-sized influence on the confines of political debate, if that debate falls outside what Facebook deems acceptable discourse.

Proponents of marijuana legalization, which is on the California ballot in 2010, have hit a Facebook wall in their effort to grow an online campaign to rethink the nation's pot laws. Facebook initially accepted ads from the group Just Say Now, running them from August 7 to August 16, generating 38 million impressions and helping the group's fan page grow to over 6,000 members. But then they were abruptly removed.

Andrew Noyes, a spokesman for Facebook, said that the problem was the pot leaf. "It would be fine to note that you were informed by Facebook that the image in question was no long[er] acceptable for use in Facebook ads. The image of a pot leaf is classified with all smoking products and therefore is not acceptable under our policies," he told the group in an email, which was provided to HuffPost.



A few things that bother me:

A) If you're serious about trying to get this shit legalized, STOP CALLING IT BY IT'S SLANG NAMES. Running around saying "pot" and "weed" just makes you look and sound like a fucking idiot. Use it's proper name, otherwise people immediately think "bunch of hippies want their POT" Now, it's possible the bozo writing the article is against it, and if he is, it makes me even angrier that he has to use these terms to demean it and make it sound like a "dirty" or "unacceptable" thing. I mean, really, WTF?!

B) This really gets my goat: "The image of a pot leaf is classified with all smoking products and therefore is not acceptable under our policies" Really? Are they fucking kidding me? "The image of a pot leaf is classified with ALL SMOKING PRODUCTS"?? I know there's a good analogy out there to prove how ridiculous this is, but right now I'm a bit too pissed off to think of one.. Not only that, what about those millions of patients who can't smoke, don't smoke, can't vape and don't vape... yet consume MMJ orally on a daily basis through various edibles and sublingually via tinctures, oils - hell, even w/lotions & salves?

It amazes me that people have no problem with something that is 5 times as imparing (alcohol) and something else that's 10x as deadly (tobbacco/nicotine) being legal, but goddamn, something that makes you want to stay at home, not be confrontational, and eat potato chips and watch cartoons is a such a horrible thing. :rolleyes:

Matter of fact, now that I think about it, don't you think the government would welcome such a "taming" effect on the people? :shifty: