View Full Version : Why Logan doesn't turn
otisbenny
15-Sep-2010, 07:18 PM
I'm sure this was discussed before ad nauseum but I can't find a thread. Anyway I think there are two possible reasons why Logan doesn't turn Zombie despite not being shot in the head.
1) He spent so much time studying their behavior and probing their brains that he developed an empathy with them that few people have. He may have tapped into something that allowed him to, in death, try and not come back. And he succeeded where others (ie: Roger) had failed.
2) It's just a very careless mistake by the director and continuity guy.
Oops, I just found the same thread. Well, redundancy is nothing new here...
Legion2213
15-Sep-2010, 07:21 PM
I think most folks just see it as he was well sprayed by Rhodes and coped one in the head.
Or, it was just bad direction/attention to detail. :D
BillyRay
15-Sep-2010, 07:37 PM
Or...
Doc Logan hadn't got up yet.
Perhaps the cold of the walk-in cooler kept him from reviving straight away. Considering that, very soon after he gets killed, all hell breaks loose in the facility. Perhaps Logan's revival happened "After the credits", so to speak.
My question is -- Does Rhodes revive, and spend etrnity dragging his zombie torso around the base?
Legion2213
15-Sep-2010, 07:42 PM
My question is -- Does Rhodes revive, and spend etrnity dragging his zombie torso around the base?
That would be cool. :cool:
Trin
15-Sep-2010, 07:54 PM
I'm with BillyRay on this one. I think it wasn't a matter of explaining why Logan didn't revive, but asking if he was going to revive, or perhaps was already revived and we just didn't see him.
Since this is a retread of an older discussion I'd like to take it in a new direction...
Would the movie have been better if Logan as a zombie were shown shambling about? If so, what would you show? Do you think having him shamble out and feast a bit on Rhodes would be cool? Or maybe he and Bub have a recognition moment when Bub sees Logan is a zombie? Or maybe a shot of him staggering out and Rhodes see him, then realizing he's dead, ala Cholo and Kaufman. Or maybe just a shot of him near the end shambling out of the cooler?
I can see it being kinda a nice wrapup for the character.
BillyRay
15-Sep-2010, 08:03 PM
I had the idea recently for a short film dealing with that exact same thing...
Bub, having given Rhodes his comeuppance, shambles back to the cooler and waits for the doctor to revive. We see Bub chase off a couple of zeds who only see a free dinner. Eventually, Logan rises, and there's a montage of Bub teaching Logan all the tricks that Logan taught him.
The dead leading the dead.
The final shot would be them looking out the door of the lab to see the chewed-up torso of Captain Rhodes dragging himself along the hallwaywith his one remaining arm. He turns to the two, moans/hisses, and continues on his merry drag
Legion2213
15-Sep-2010, 08:05 PM
Actually, a really good ending would have shown them both wandering around being oblivious to each other...bit of a downer meaning it was all for nothing, but in keeping the generally grim aspect of the movie.
Bub may have been trained...but Logan would just be another stench...operating on "pure motorized instinct"
blind2d
15-Sep-2010, 08:11 PM
I had the idea recently for a short film dealing with that exact same thing...
Bub, having given Rhodes his comeuppance, shambles back to the cooler and waits for the doctor to revive. We see Bub chase off a couple of zeds who only see a free dinner. Eventually, Logan rises, and there's a montage of Bub teaching Logan all the tricks that Logan taught him.
The dead leading the dead.
The final shot would be them looking out the door of the lab to see the chewed-up torso of Captain Rhodes dragging himself along the hallwaywith his one remaining arm. He turns to the two, moans/hisses, and continues on his merry drag
This.
bassman
15-Sep-2010, 09:20 PM
A bit of a goof, i've always thought. Or maybe we just don't see the head shot that took him out for good.
It could've been worse. He could've got "the hook" and started blabbering about jesus. :lol: (original script)
Trin
15-Sep-2010, 09:33 PM
The final shot would be them looking out the door of the lab to see the chewed-up torso of Captain Rhodes dragging himself along the hallwaywith his one remaining arm. He turns to the two, moans/hisses, and continues on his merry drag
Can they shambler hi5 at the ending scene? Maybe freeze frame them in the air?
BillyRay
15-Sep-2010, 10:05 PM
Can they shambler hi5 at the ending scene? Maybe freeze frame them in the air?
How's this? (@0:29)
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(not that this is shameless self promotion or anythin'.....) :D
DjfunkmasterG
15-Sep-2010, 11:36 PM
Logan doesn't revive because Zack Snyder snuck on set and told Romero, they can only come back from bites... :fin: :lol:
darth los
16-Sep-2010, 03:15 AM
It's weird but i can't seem to recall anytime during the original trilogy where a someone died from something other than a zombie bite and was shown to revive.
It was so much so that many believed that you had to get bitten in order to turn even though it is explicitly stated on numerous occasions that the bodies of the recently dead were returning to life and attacking the living regardless of how they died.
:cool:
It's weird but i can't seem to recall anytime during the original trilogy where a someone died from something other than a zombie bite and was shown to revive.
I'm pretty sure it happens to Cooper, and Helen in 'Night'.
SymphonicX
17-Sep-2010, 04:58 PM
I HAVE FIGURED THIS ONE OUT!!!
He was in a coma
darth los
17-Sep-2010, 06:17 PM
I'm pretty sure it happens to Cooper, and Helen in 'Night'.
I know i saw her eating her dad so it's implied there and i assumed she did it to her mom also off camera. I know it's always dangerous to assume but would a ghoul just leave fresh meat there and not eat it?
She's not big daddy you know.
:cool:
krakenslayer
17-Sep-2010, 09:27 PM
I HAVE FIGURED THIS ONE OUT!!!
He was in a coma
I am not drinking anything right now, but if I was, it would be all over the screen right now. :)
I know it's always dangerous to assume but would a ghoul just leave fresh meat there and not eat it?
True Dat! Maybe, after sometime nibbling the commotion up stores got her attention. As. people dying out natrual causes...The Coopers, and Johnny is all I got. Other, than that....no one else dies of other causes in the original trilogy...and only evidence is in the radio, and tv reports in 'Night' and 'Dawn'.
Unless, you want to take 'Diary' as, evidence. I think of the female college students died out of other causes.
Then again, the simply answer is when did GAR ever care for contiunity. :|
SymphonicX
20-Sep-2010, 03:17 PM
but would a ghoul just leave fresh meat there and not eat it?
:cool:
Ask Bill hinzman
SymphonicX
20-Sep-2010, 03:24 PM
Couple of theories to consider -
Logan got shot to shit but his brain didn't die straight away. He was left with brain damage due to loss of blood and when some of his wounds started to coagulate the blood loss became less thusly leaving him in a state of brain damage leading to EVENTUAL death. Logan dies two minutes after Bub has his tantrum - and then rises to enjoy a fresh feast of military grade beef treats.
Logan was far enough underground that he was shielded from the venus probe radiation theory from Night - I imagine in a nuclear apocalypse we'd all be underground hiding from the radiation - so if we can hide from radiation underground it's safe to assume that if a certain type of radiation caused it, it wouldn't be underground. We don't see anyone turn in Day, let alone when they're in the complex. This would mean the zombiefying radiation doesn't stick to clothes, hair or skin but simply needs to land on the flesh of a body to become active.
third theory: plot hole
Fourth theory: Logan was seconds away from reanimating - being underground meant it takes a while longer.
fifth theory: his spinal chord was severed meaning he was paralysed - he was undead when Bub saw him but had only the ability to move his eyes (this doesn't really hold water does it - we see broken neck zombies all the time right? How would that work then? How does a corpse reanimate and make connections with nerve endings that just aren't connected anymore?)
bassman
20-Sep-2010, 03:25 PM
Ask Bill hinzman
You're right, but the truth with him is that they just didn't know what they were doing. There were no real rules or guidelines, just try to make that opening scene as frightening as possible.
The only other zombie to pass up on freshly-dead meat would be Bub. But of course Logan was his "father", so...
SymphonicX
20-Sep-2010, 06:15 PM
You're right, but the truth with him is that they just didn't know what they were doing. There were no real rules or guidelines, just try to make that opening scene as frightening as possible.
The only other zombie to pass up on freshly-dead meat would be Bub. But of course Logan was his "father", so...
yeah....
I've been trying to explain Hinzman's actions for years....I've come to the conclusion he wasn't dead, he was just a rapist.
darth los
20-Sep-2010, 06:54 PM
You're right, but the truth with him is that they just didn't know what they were doing. There were no real rules or guidelines, just try to make that opening scene as frightening as possible.
The only other zombie to pass up on freshly-dead meat would be Bub. But of course Logan was his "father", so...
I was gonna say, if we're gonna go by everything we saw in night as canon then GAr is going to have alot of splainin' to do.
yeah....
I've been trying to explain Hinzman's actions for years....I've come to the conclusion he wasn't dead, he was just a rapist.
Funniest shit i"ve read all day. :lol:
:cool:
bassman
20-Sep-2010, 07:27 PM
yeah....
I've been trying to explain Hinzman's actions for years....I've come to the conclusion he wasn't dead, he was just a rapist.
Hey man...Barbara was a looker. In both versions, actually. Remake Barbara would probably be better in the sack, though. :p
Holy shit, Dead Beat is rubbing off on us....
darth los
20-Sep-2010, 08:22 PM
Hey man...Barbara was a looker. In both versions, actually. Remake Barbara would probably be better in the sack, though. :p
Holy shit, Dead Beat is rubbing off on us....
Original Barb is more submissive though... :evil:
:cool:
bassman
20-Sep-2010, 08:28 PM
Original Barb is more submissive though... :evil:
She may as well be on roofies, darth. You're a sick bastard. I was meaning BEFORE she went bonkers. :lol:
darth los
20-Sep-2010, 08:31 PM
She may as well be on roofies, darth. You're a sick bastard. I was meaning BEFORE she went bonkers. :lol:
That works for me. :lol:
:cool:
Is it wrong for me to think some of the female zeds in the original 'Dawn' were pretty attractive.:shifty:
bassman
20-Sep-2010, 11:46 PM
Is it wrong for me to think some of the female zeds in the original 'Dawn' were pretty attractive.:shifty:
Savini's girlfriend(at the trucks) was haaawwwt. Other than that I can't think of many good looking zombies. The Nurse was decent, but her walk totally turned me off. :lol:
Savini's girlfriend(at the trucks) was haaawwwt. Other than that I can't think of many good looking zombies. The Nurse was decent, but her walk totally turned me off. :lol:
I think of others....Oh, and that burnett in the WGON station was also a looker! The one who's leaving as, soon Steven enters the building......
jded
21-Sep-2010, 03:27 AM
Is it wrong for me to think some of the female zeds in the original 'Dawn' were pretty attractive.:shifty:
No.
I really dig your Dream Warriors sig. I seen that one so many times I can practically quote the entire film. "Welcome to prime time bitch!"
Oh and I say Logan did come back but Bub couldn't stand to see him in the zombie state so he put him out of his misery by shooting him in da head. Bub had heart even if it wasn't beating.
BillyRay
21-Sep-2010, 03:07 PM
Oh, and that burnett in the WGON station was also a looker!
http://tomofthailand.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/carol-burnett-classic.jpg?w=450
Just the cleaning lady...
Neil
23-Sep-2010, 11:35 AM
Or...
Doc Logan hadn't got up yet.
That would have been a nice shot during the zombie montage to see Dr Logan wondering around along with his pets!
If Romero went all Lucas, I'm sure he'd CGI that into the film, in the 30th Anniversary Special Commemorative Collectors Edition...
bassman
23-Sep-2010, 01:19 PM
That would have been a nice shot during the zombie montage to see Dr Logan wondering around along with his pets!
According to Roger Avery's commentary, that scene existed in theaters. :p
DEAD BEAT
23-Sep-2010, 04:56 PM
No.
I really dig your Dream Warriors sig. I seen that one so many times I can practically quote the entire film. "Welcome to prime time bitch!"
Oh and I say Logan did come back but Bub couldn't stand to see him in the zombie state so he put him out of his misery by shooting him in da head. Bub had heart even if it wasn't beating.
not to mention his cock probably dropped off years ago as well! ;)
Neil
23-Sep-2010, 09:39 PM
According to Roger Avery's commentary, that scene existed in theaters. :p
What? Huh?
bassman
23-Sep-2010, 10:02 PM
What? Huh?
Roger Avery's commentary on the Day DVD. He swears up and down that there was a scene shown in theaters with Logan back as a zombie. He even went as far as to call up Romero to ask him about it, but forgot to ask him about it. :lol:
It's just funny because he goes on about it forever. He honestly believes he saw that scene and it was taken out for all the home video releases.
Neil
24-Sep-2010, 09:34 AM
Roger Avery's commentary on the Day DVD. He swears up and down that there was a scene shown in theaters with Logan back as a zombie. He even went as far as to call up Romero to ask him about it, but forgot to ask him about it. :lol:
It's just funny because he goes on about it forever. He honestly believes he saw that scene and it was taken out for all the home video releases.
Dear God! We need to find out the answer to this one!
Someone ring Romero!!!
It seems such an obvious shot to have, I'm amazed (if) it wasn't done!
MinionZombie
24-Sep-2010, 05:45 PM
Weird. That's never bothered me before ... nor does it bother me now.
I figured, as others have said, that he either got one in the head when he was utterly rinsed by Rhodes, or he just hadn't got up yet. Plus after that point the action is pretty non-stop ... ... I'm just wondering if we ever see, in those zombie shots, a white coat anywhere moving about (like, you see a white coat, but not who's wearing it ... if that makes sense?)
It'd be pretty bloody weird to have a shot like that in the theatrical run, and then for none of the key players to ever say anything about it. :shifty:
bassman
24-Sep-2010, 05:48 PM
It'd be pretty bloody weird to have a shot like that in the theatrical run, and then for none of the key players to ever say anything about it. :shifty:
It's been a while since I listened to it, but I think Richard Liberty discusses it on the audio interview that's included in the R1 day dvd/br. I think he just says that they never thought about it. He got shot and that was it. Gone...
I've often wondered if maybe it was to be the beginning of another scene, but taken out before filming started. Maybe Logan was to be the first dead body not to return? It's possible as this was included in the original script....
darth los
24-Sep-2010, 06:49 PM
Maybe Logan was to be the first dead body not to return? It's possible as this was included in the original script....
Even more of a reason to film it.
:cool:
bassman
24-Sep-2010, 06:59 PM
Even more of a reason to film it.
Maybe Romero wanted to and the producers wouldn't let him? You know how they were looking at it at the time. "We can make a few more of these!"
darth los
24-Sep-2010, 08:09 PM
Maybe Romero wanted to and the producers wouldn't let him? You know how they were looking at it at the time. "We can make a few more of these!"
Speaking of, why didn't they?
You think there are any other lost scripts ala his RE one?
And why do you think he didn't want to direct the NOTLD remake?
:cool:
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