Uber Conjecture Thread *spoilers 'o course*

[childofgilead]

After watching the first episode 8 times so far, I've noticed alot of things that have me wondering alot and I'd like to hear from you guys and see what all you've picked up on.

1. The dude who bursts out of the judge initially seems to have a yellow band around his left wrist. Could he have been bitten and shot his assailant, sparking the chase? Like another thread posited a while back, could the first zombie slayings be construed as murder?

2. The conversation in the cruiser, when Shane asks Rick about Lori seems to imply that he's a little more interested than he should be. Is this a clue that the one night stand from the comic is a little more than that here?

3. One of Shane's lines to Rick when he's visiting him with the vase seem to imply that stuff is going on. "We're still hangin' in." Is this a clue to a situation that's getting progressively worse or just a man letting his friend know that everyone is still holding out hope.

4. There is some discrepancy about Rick's wound. When he's lying on his back and Shane is putting pressure on the wound, it seems high shoulder oriented, yet his bandages are around his stomach, side area. Is this a makeup oversight, or did the jacket from the bullet come off and create a separate wound channel? Or is it possible that the initial shot that was absorbed by the vest broke ribs, or bruised something internally that necessitated exploratory surgery after the fact?

5. Was the gurney placed in front of his door intentionally, as a way to discourage any walkers from trying to get in? Or just set dressing?

6. Based on the heavy amounts of military gear left behind at the hospital, you'd expect to see more soldiers and air cav fellas walking around. Were they instead evacuated on something else, put down and wrapped in sheets, or simply hadn't migrated to where they would be visible?

7. Bicycle zombie. Why was she so decayed? Where did her bottom half go? There was no conclusive evidence of her being disemboweled at her location next to the bike. Was it even hers? I had an idea maybe she was struck by a vehicle and part of her was catapulted to her resting location and the bottom half was drug along.



Anyway, that's all I've got for now, can't wait to hear what you guys caught!

[ProfessorChaos]

quick answers (or my view, at least) to a few of your questions:

1. don't think so. morgan mentioned that they hadn't had hot water in a month or so, so i doubt it took that long for society to fall apart.

2. i imagine that shane was just trying to be a friend and wasn't really thinking of lori in that way yet.

3. i think shane was just referring to rick's condition and i doubt anything was going on at that point.

4. i noticed that deal with the gunshot and the bandage.....anybody else notice that rick didn't have a catheter in when he woke from his coma? i've taken a few medial courses and have a few nurses in my family, so that stood out to me.

5. i'd also bet that the gurney was placed there on purpose and that the door was probably locked from inside.

6. i think they must have migrated from the military staging area, but it was odd that there weren't any soldiers milling about. or that he ran into any before bicycle girl.

7. who the fuck knows....mabye she was hit by a car hauling ass and drug herself kinda far along and lost a few pieces along the way.

[childofgilead]

I'm really looking forward to the episode tomorrow. Seen a few sneak previews and all, and it seems like they're introducing alot of new characters.

Personally, I think this is for the benefit of people who aren't familiar with the comic. They won't know the difference, so when we start seeing them drop like flies, it'll have more impact? Or I could be fulla crap, who knows.

Anyway, I have a feeling Rick is going back into Atlanta for more than Merle. Dropped gun bag? Raiding gun store like in the book?

[Tricky]

I think your right about it benefiting those of us who haven't read the comic. There's a lot of posts on here complaining that characters aren't exactly the same as they are in the comic, or scenes that don't play out the same, but that doesn't bother me because I have nothing to compare it to, so watching the show I don't feel that they're doing things wrong or missing bits out etc. I do feel sorry for those who aren't enjoying this series the way they should because they're too caught up in picking faults

[childofgilead]

I love examining it, rolling it around, comparing and everything, but like I told my girlfriend last week when she was pissed over that episode, comics and television are two different mediums. Kirkman is a producer, and he's apparently okay with where things have changed over. Yeah, alot of these folks are new, but to non readers, they aren't.

Honestly, the only things I've been worried about so far are things like if T-Dog is replacing Tyreese, and if there is going to be an explanation on how long Rick was out. Everything else, the Glock comment, the Challenger starting up without a key within a few dozen feet, stuff like that I can kinda harumph and let go.

As for the zed jumping the fence..I wouldn't have had a problem with it if it'd faceplanted. It didn't. My gal Sarah said it best when she talked about their fine motor skills. I dunno though, as long as it's internally consistent, I can accept that this is how capable their zeds are.

[ProfessorChaos]

the more i think about it, the less likely it seems that t-dog is tyrese.

first, tyrese wouldn't have had his ass kicked so easily by dixon.

secondly, tyrese doesn't appear till after the camp is ambushed and they decide to leave.

finally, tyrese has a daughter (i'd almost forgot as well), and what becomes of her is an important part of his character.

i realize that they are deviating from the comics a bit, but i think his character is too important to reduce to some chubby wimp named t-dog.

[childofgilead]

I was thinking along those exact lines, prof, but it does still worry me nevertheless. Mostly because of his name..if it was C-Dog or something else, I probably wouldn't have given it much thought, but this dude is in no way, shape or form Tyreese. He was levelheaded (most of the time) and brave. T-Dog kinda seems like a guy who was cruising around in a late 90s low rider BMW, maybe reliving the glory days of his high school sports years while he worked at a low level accountancy or IT firm.

[Tricky]

unless of course "T-dog" hardens up over the course of the series to become the character you guys know from the comics? At what point was this tyrese introduced in the comics? was there a specific scene that hasn't happened yet where he would appear?

[Ghoulman]

unless of course "T-dog" hardens up over the course of the series to become the character you guys know from the comics? At what point was this tyrese introduced in the comics? was there a specific scene that hasn't happened yet where he would appear?

Darabont apparently has stated he wants Keith Allen Hayes to play Tyreese.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/TheDealio/news/?a=19295

In the comic Tyreese, his daughter, and her boyfriend, are encountered on the road while the group are traveling from their "camp" outside Atlanta after a second attack on the camp that kills a secondary character (the first attack comes when the ladies unknowingly bring a ghould back to camp after washing laundry with Glenn's recently liberated detergent).

[bassman]

As mentioned before....I highly doubt T-dog is replacement for Tyrese. Tyrese doesn't come in until after the camp, and T Dog doesn't have a daughter(that we know about). I can't imagine them inckuding Tyrese without his daughter considering what happens once they get to you-know-where.

[babomb]

Here's an online viewer that has TWD #1 available for those who haven't read it.
http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album_view.php?gid=1358

Some of the actual events at the hospital are a bit different.
For instance, the door marked "Don't open Dead Inside" isn't locked, Rick opens it and gets a big surprise, then he uses his belt to cinch the door closed and has to fight off several stank asses.

5. Was the gurney placed in front of his door intentionally, as a way to discourage any walkers from trying to get in? Or just set dressing?
It probly just ended up there as the hospital became more and more hectic, and the hallway filled up.
If they wanted to get in there that gurney wouldn't do much to stop them.

6. Based on the heavy amounts of military gear left behind at the hospital, you'd expect to see more soldiers and air cav fellas walking around. Were they instead evacuated on something else, put down and wrapped in sheets, or simply hadn't migrated to where they would be visible?
Probly put down and wrapped in sheets for the most part, others locked in rooms where they can't do any damage, others migrated toward gunshots or other signs of life.
Looks to me like they tried to hold the fort down at the hospital.
Which is logical because at what point would the majority of the still living people decide it was a zombie outbreak and act accordingly?
Probly never, they all probly died not knowing WTF was happening, medical personnel were likely trying to save people until the very end.

As far as 'bicycle zombie' goes, I don't think that was her bike.
The bike is in working condition.
A person takes a hit on a bike that severs her body in 2, the bike isn't gonna be in such good condition.
The bike looks like it was abandoned.
As for the timeframe, how long would it take for flowers in water to completely wilt and die?

[Ghoulman]

4. i noticed that deal with the gunshot and the bandage.....anybody else notice that rick didn't have a catheter in when he woke from his coma? i've taken a few medial courses and have a few nurses in my family, so that stood out to me.

I noticed that as well. I remember thinking "Okay, there's his I.V. drip but where's the catheter? Why isn't he swimming in his own piss and shit!?" But it's TV... A minor quivvle.

[ProfessorChaos]

Darabont apparently has stated he wants Keith Allen Hayes to play Tyreese.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/TheDealio/news/?a=19295

In the comic Tyreese, his daughter, and her boyfriend, are encountered on the road while the group are traveling from their "camp" outside Atlanta after a second attack on the camp that kills a secondary character (the first attack comes when the ladies unknowingly bring a ghould back to camp after washing laundry with Glenn's recently liberated detergent).

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/uploads/keithallanhayes.JPG

holy fuck, that tie/scarf/homo badge has got to be the one of the gheyest things ever. that's something i'd expect a homosexual clown to wear. dude ought to be disqualified for the part based on that stupid accessory alone.

plus, he looks way to young to be tyrese. tyrese's daughter and her boyfriend are in their mid-to-late teens. this dude doesn't look like a former NFL player, either, more like a male cheerleader (probably just that silly tie/scarf/gay-indicator again).

as long as they don't butcher tyrese's character by reducing him to t-dog, i guess i'm okay with it, i just thought the actor playing him would be a bit older and badder-looking than this clown they've supposedly picked.

i seriously hope this is just a rumor or case of the internet speculation machine at work, tyrese is a character they cannot fuck up.

this clown also seems to mainly be an extra in most of his work, i'm doubting they'd hire some glorified extra to play one of the baddest characters in the series.

[Gryphon]

I think your right about it benefiting those of us who haven't read the comic. There's a lot of posts on here complaining that characters aren't exactly the same as they are in the comic, or scenes that don't play out the same, but that doesn't bother me because I have nothing to compare it to, so watching the show I don't feel that they're doing things wrong or missing bits out etc. I do feel sorry for those who aren't enjoying this series the way they should because they're too caught up in picking faults

Kirkman has said that he wants this series to still be surprising and new, even to readers of his comic, so it's likely he's encouraging them to change things up as much as possible, while retaining the main story arc.

[Ghoulman]

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/uploads/keithallanhayes.JPG

holy fuck, that tie/scarf/homo badge has got to be the one of the gheyest things ever. that's something i'd expect a homosexual clown to wear. dude ought to be disqualified for the part based on that stupid accessory alone.

plus, he looks way to young to be tyrese. tyrese's daughter and her boyfriend are in their mid-to-late teens. this dude doesn't look like a former NFL player, either, more like a male cheerleader (probably just that silly tie/scarf/gay-indicator again).

as long as they don't butcher tyrese's character by reducing him to t-dog, i guess i'm okay with it, i just thought the actor playing him would be a bit older and badder-looking than this clown they've supposedly picked.

i seriously hope this is just a rumor or case of the internet speculation machine at work, tyrese is a character they cannot fuck up.

this clown also seems to mainly be an extra in most of his work, i'm doubting they'd hire some glorified extra to play one of the baddest characters in the series.

Once you get passed his loud attire, which I love by the way, I completely see Tyrese in this man. He looks perfectly old enough to have a teenager and completely believable to have washed out of the NFL for a sports injury. And I would disagree about Tyrese being the baddest character in the series. That badge of honor goes to Michonne.

[ProfessorChaos]

if you'll notice, i said one of the baddest characters...

[childofgilead]

Wow, alot of developments last night!

Lots of carnage going on, especially with the 3rd and 4th string characters. Kind of had the feeling that was the point of them the whole time, as it's a good way to show people either new to the show or the genre just what's at stake.

My girlfriend was a bit pissed over Carol's age, in comparison to her comic persona, but I dunno..maybe it'll be a non issue? As it stands, I kinda see where she's coming from, what with Tyreese and her getting together later.

I also have the feeling that Morales has been morphed into Allan from the comic. It's funny, he almost has the same hair as when Moore was illustrating the book. heh.

Assuming Tyreese DOES make it into the series next season, I was wondering if they'd either introduce Donna, Allan and the twins then, as survivors who'd banded with Tyreese or have melded them into Morales, his wife and children.

On one hand, I think this would make an interesting dynamic, as it would show Tyreese as a capable leader in his own right, and make his and Rick's eventual head butting a bit more powerful.

Also, kinda thought about Merle leading the dead back to the camp as some others had mentioned. On the one hand, on the truck they took, he couldn't load them into it, as it had a fully open cab. And he wouldn't want to hurt his brother. On that OTHER hand, he could either assume his brother could look after himself, not been all there after the blood loss, think his brother was out looking for him, or he could just not care. I dunno. Or it could be something else, but it just seemed a bit arbitrary for the dead to have come into camp without setting off any of those little cans filled with rocks they had strung about.

[Thorn]

I had a strong feeling he was responsible for drawing them back to camp as well. I am not sure if that will be the case but all signs were pointing to it. The chance of the shambling dead not triggering their "alarms", the fact that he or someone else stole the truck and the timing of the event were just too perfect. If he was going back to the camp as was implied he would have beat Rick and company who were on foot (I guess there were no vehicles handy like in the previous episode) back to the camp easily. So he had to be up to something if their assumption was correct.

[childofgilead]

So..one episode to go..I had a hugely crappy Sunday night, caught a stomach bug and wasn't able to watch the episode all the way through in one sitting, but I was able to catch up with the replay..

I dunno..at first, I hated the CDC section, but caught myself..as long as the characters are okay and the story is good, departing from the comic every once in a bit will be okay I reckon..

Where is Merle? I mean, what the fart, ya know? There's ALOT to be wrapped up and I just don't think the season finale is gonna do it..Course that's probably not the point, but yeah..

Anyway, what's with the soldiers in the sneak peek? Are they in a flashback or security footage? Or is there some sort of alert that went out when the doors of the CDC were opened and they're there to restore order or lockdown?

I'm also really concerned about this whole wait until next October..that's just too long a wait, not just because I'm excited to find out what's gonna happen, but I worry about the ratings too..by that time, there could be 2 or 3 knock off shows on other networks that could seriously steal the shows thunder.

The only good thing I can think of about a season finale is that we can sit here and talk about what's coming next year..