Red State - official movie trailer...

[MinionZombie]

uJ1v6oFHefc&feature=feedu

Looks pretty darn kick arse to me!

As a regular listener to the SModcast network and SModcast Internet Radio, I've heard the ins-and-outs of Smith's intentions with Red State's release ... repeatedly ... ad nauseum ... and then repeated some more ... and a little bit more after that ... ... so I'm looking forward to actually seeing the goddamned movie! :p

[bassman]

Did he really put his friggin twitter tag in the middle of the trailer? I'm still interested in seeing the movie, but Smith's recent antics are starting to put me off.

I hear now he's working on an evening talk show to be aired after TMZ? The TMZ viewing audience seems like a good crowd for him....

[MikePizzoff]

I liked the first trailer we saw a while back, better. I'll watch this movie, but I'm not going to run to the theater for it.

[Neil]

Looks good!

[Danny]

eh, as ive gotten older ive gotten less enjoyment out of smith with each flick he makes bar both clerks films. Honestly im watching this for john goodmans name attached not his.

[bassman]

Honestly im watching this for john goodmans name attached not his.

Throw in Michael Parks and I agree. Two great actors are the saving grace with this one.

[JDFP]

Eh, not really impressed, plus the whole naming it "Red State" to begin with seems rightly ignorant and juvenile to me ('cause all we Republican states are just redneck inbred racists after all!). Sigh...

I'll probably check it out on Netflix when it comes available just for John Goodman though. Nothing will ever top "King Ralph" though! I can watch that movie over, and over, and over...

j.p.

[Danny]

I'll probably check it out on Netflix when it comes available just for John Goodman though. Nothing will ever top "King Ralph" though!

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/khazrak/Walter-Sobchak-300x274.jpg

OVER THE LINE!

[MinionZombie]

Regarding the title - Smith has said numerous times that it's not to do with Republicanism (indeed, the family in the movie are beyond anything, they're their own brand if you will), but simply - being a horror movie - blood.

Although, as it has been understood by so many to be to do with bashing Republicans (Smith says that each side of the house gets the finger in the flick), I'm surprised that he didn't try to clarify the title more heavily from the very beginning.

I am somewhat surprised by the amount of "meh-ing" here, though. I think it looks pretty darn cool - I'm certainly up for it (after, as I've said before, an exhaustive and repetitive amount of build up and talk) - I'm also intrigued to see what a Smith film looks like that isn't a comedy.

[clanglee]

[/I]) - I'm also intrigued to see what a Smith film looks like that isn't a comedy.

Probably like a comedy. Or at the very least . . .an overly glib attempt at horror.

[MinionZombie]

Blimey, such negativity from you guys... :rolleyes:

[LouCipherr]

Blimey, such negativity from you guys... :rolleyes:

Meh, last time I brought up Red State I was accused of working for Smith just because I was excited about the flick and that excitement was refelcted in my wordy post. This should be expected, MZ. :rolleyes:

I, for one, am excited as hell to see Michael Parks' performance in this movie, as well as Goodman's. I think it's going to be quite an exciting flick, and nothing like what we've ever seen or expect from Smith.

[MinionZombie]

Indeed, I've been deemed a "fan boy" for being interested in Red State ... I mean sheesh ... it's kind of like how Smith joked about Comic-Con, the only place where someone in a Star Trek costume can look at someone in a Chewbacca costume and go "pfft, fuckin' nerd..." :rolleyes::lol:

I think there's a lesson to be learned there. :sneaky:

[LouCipherr]

Indeed, I've been deemed a "fan boy" for being interested in Red State ... I mean sheesh ...

Well, at least I have some company now.. :lol:


it's kind of like how Smith joked about Comic-Con, the only place where someone in a Star Trek costume can look at someone in a Chewbacca costume and go "pfft, fuckin' nerd..." :rolleyes::lol:

I think there's a lesson to be learned there. :sneaky:

Yes, yes there is. :D

[Danny]

Indeed, I've been deemed a "fan boy" for being interested in Red State ... I mean sheesh ... it's kind of like how Smith joked about Comic-Con, the only place where someone in a Star Trek costume can look at someone in a Chewbacca costume and go "pfft, fuckin' nerd..." :rolleyes::lol:

I think there's a lesson to be learned there. :sneaky:

proving you arent a fanboy for kevin smith by quoting kevin smith. yeah. okay brah. :p

Seriously though, its not surprising a lot of people are seeing a man whos made his career on dick and weed jokes doing a horror film- a genre that, lets be honest, is often the last bastion of the lazy filmmaker and people dont get excited for that. its like an action movie star making a kids movie. its a different genre from there comfortable pigeon hole and whilst it doesnt put people off it doesnt exactly generate enthusiasm y'know?

Personally ive kind of waned from smith as i think he is his best when he is writing from personal experience and saying something meaningful, and ive seen 'the crazy religious folks in the boonies' horror film many times before and its not what i want from this director.


-and to be fair, you arent a fanboy, technically you're a kevin smith apologist :lol: not quite aggro enough for the blind loyalty defence force, but give it a few years to brew some bile, every fan gets there with something.


You know who you are :lol:

[LouCipherr]

-and to be fair, you arent a fanboy, technically you're a kevin smith apologist

-sigh-

No offense Danny, really, but that's exactly what I was talking about. How is MZ (or anyone else for that matter) looking forward to Red State make him/them a KS apologist? or even a fanboy?

...and to say that going from making comedy films to making a horror film is "the last bastion of the lazy filmmaker" really? :rolleyes: I guess it couldn't be because he might've wrote a killer story/script, and there's probably no way he made it because of the caliber of some of the actors who agreed to do it (Parks, Goodman). I mean, who'd wanna work with those clowns? And why would they want to act in a movie that's the last bastion of a lazy filmmaker anyway? I'm sure they didn't find anything exciting or redeeming about the script. That just couldn't be!

</sarcasm>

I, personally, am not necessicarily in this because it's Kevin Smith - i'm more into this movie because of Michael Parks - although I admit I love the idea of Smith stepping outside of his "normal" realm and trying something new (something Romero should try doing again, 'cause the zombie thing sure as hell ain't working for him anymore). That bastard can act! And the idea of him playing the leader of an evil and apparently deadly religious cult just seems like a perfect part for him to play. Not only that, while people may have seen the "religious cult in the woods" story before, they haven't seen it with the delivery and ability that Parks can put into it, who I have no doubt will be a shining star of this flick, even if the movie is bad or even so-so.

To each his own, I guess.

[Danny]

-sigh-

No offense Danny, really, but that's exactly what I was talking about. How is MZ (or anyone else for that matter) looking forward to Red State make him/them a KS apologist? or even a fanboy?


yeah, that was a joke dude.

also im saying horror is the problem here, not smith. lets be honest, you see more shitty horror films released each day than any other genre of cinema. its almost always the atypical 6 plot points story of isolation and bad lighting and lots of red syrup. Low budget horror always gets less respect than low budget independent comedy or drama because so many douchebags film something in an abandoned building in the dark to a heavy metal soundtrack with no substance or level of quality and like so much cheap porn its still far more likely to turn a profit than something like waking life or clerks when they first came out.
Now i know that wont be smiths film, but you hear low budget independent horror film and most people who arent really into kevin smith in a 'diehard' way, but like his films are not going to be enthused by this films genre or subject matter.
Personally im just indifferent, i dont care about the story, but kevin smith directing john goodman is something that has me wanting to see it, it just wouldnt be the end of the world if i couldnt whereas i had to see clerks 2 day one. i dont think its going to be bad. i just think people are going to see "horror film by kevin smith the man behind jay and silent bob strikes back" and have the same reaction if it said "a touching period drama from eli roth the man behind hostel".

[MinionZombie]

Sometimes I wonder what it'd be like to have a little brother, then I come to HPOTD and read what Danny The Contrarian has to say about anything remotely popular. :elol:

[clanglee]

Don't get me wrong. . . I like Kevin Smith. I enjoy most of his movies. I just think that this movie is going to come off all hipster and "cool" . . . . like a snarky take on the Branch Davidians.

[bassman]

Red State will be available through VOD on September 1st, then on dvd/blu ray on October 18th.

RED STATE Special Features:
• “The Making of Red State” documentary
• Audio commentary with Kevin Smith
• Sundance speech with introduction by Kevin Smith
• Sundance ending
• Deleted scenes with introduction by Kevin Smith
• Poster Gallery with introduction by Kevin Smith


Would have been nice to see it on the big screen, but...ya know...

[AcesandEights]

Don't get me wrong. . . I like Kevin Smith. I enjoy most of his movies. I just think that this movie is going to come off all hipster and "cool" . . . . like a snarky take on the Branch Davidians.

Yeah, I'm getting a Dogma vibe here.

[LouCipherr]

yeah, that was a joke dude.

Wow, you have an odd sense of humor that apparently went over my head. "smith apologist" and "last bastion of a lazy filmmaker" doesn't sound like a "joke" to me, but regardless.... it needed to be addressed because that kind of response is exactly the kind someone is met with bringing up Red State in any kind of positive way. I just don't get it.


C'mon bass, you should be in here with the "give the flick a chance before shooting it down!" thing right about now. ;) :D


I said this when the first trailer was released: this is NOT a HORROR film (even though no one agreed with me about it at the time). It's a thriller. A psychological thriller. I'm sure there are some elements of horror (according to Smith) in the movie, but it's mostly about the psychological mindfuck of Parks and his crew of nutballs and their actions.

I think people calling it "horror" are giving all kinds of wrong impressions about the film. I know Smith has even called it that at times becuase of some of the elements of the film, but in none of the trailers did I see anything that resembled anything I'm used to calling a "horror" film. Smith has said he calls it "horror" because some of the horrific things this "church" does to people - but it's not exactly on par with what most consider traditional horror.

[clanglee]

Yeah, I'm getting a Dogma vibe here.

Exactly!!! And Dogma is probably my least favorite of his films.

[AfterMovieDiner]

I really loved Red State and wrote a review of it on my blog: http://aftermoviediner.blogspot.com/2011/03/red-state-live-at-radio-city-music-hall.html
Don't worry there aren't any spoilers (in fact there are more spoilers in this new trailer unfortunately!)
The best way to see this film is fresh!

I would say this film is like the Coen Brothers meets Tarantino but actually with a more 70s exploitation and grindhouse vibe than the grindhouse film Tarantino made.
It's Smith's best film in ages, really blew me away and I honestly went in looking to be disappointed. The whole premise put me off but I came away an utter convert.

I URGE people to see this film before they judge it, none of the trailers do it justice. One trailer doesn't show enough and the new one shows way too much it spoils it.

[Exatreides]

I'm really looking to seeing this film. I enjoyed most of all his films, sue me :p

[AfterMovieDiner]

I am a big fan of all that he's done except for Cop Out which I like to convince myself doesn't count...

[MinionZombie]

Interesting you mention spoilers in the new trailer - it does give a couple of things away, but on the other hand, as someone who is yet to see it, many of the shots don't make sense yet ... if that, er, makes sense. As in, they're not contextualised or in their correct order ... I've watched the trailer a couple of times, and yeah, they do reveal an awful lot of the basic plot, which is a touch annoying, but I'm just looking forward to finally getting to see it. I wonder what the UK release is going to be...

[bassman]

I didn't want to make a thread for this news article (http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/kevin-smith-splitting-hit-somebody-into-two-films), but wanted to share. Apparently Smith is wanting to split his upcoming(last?) Hockey film, Hit Somebody, into two films?!? WTF? Does he think he's Tarantino or something? His single films can barely hold an audience and now he wants to plan a sequel in advance? :rolleyes:

I predict a bomb on a massive scale. Dude has seriously lost his marbles...

[MinionZombie]

I didn't want to make a thread for this news article (http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/kevin-smith-splitting-hit-somebody-into-two-films), but wanted to share. Apparently Smith is wanting to split his upcoming(last?) Hockey film, Hit Somebody, into two films?!? WTF? Does he think he's Tarantino or something? His single films can barely hold an audience and now he wants to plan a sequel in advance? :rolleyes:

I predict a bomb on a massive scale. Dude has seriously lost his marbles...

To be fair, the script he's writing for it is massive ... I recall hearing a predicted 300 pages.

However, it'll surely do very well in Canada.

[LouCipherr]

I gotta be honest here, I have zero interest in Hit Somebody. Red State is where it's at for me. :D

[AfterMovieDiner]

If his films have no audience and he has no cultural significance, why all the hate or criticism? Let him do what he wants to do, let him split Hit Somebody into 43 parts, project it on the back wall of his house and invite one fan at a time to experience it with him over and over again till the day he dies if he wants to.

Kill Bill, personally, I think, needed a good editor and Tarantino needs someone to tap him on the shoulder and say, listen buddy your shit does stink like the rest of us pal, ok? There was a great movie hiding in that winding mess of two movies but he was just so in love with himself that we had to sit through this epic waste of time.
However, if that's what he wanted to do and fans lined up to see it (my hypocritical self included) then who ultimately cares?

We don't know what Hit Somebody is going to be like and unlike Tarantino it is going to, reportedly, be Smith's last film so, as a fan, I actually welcome the two part thing because it means that really he has two more films to go and I don't have to panic just yet. As for the finished product, I will pass judgement when I have actually seen it.

As for Red State, I have seen it, it IS good, it's NOT what you think it's going to be and when it's over I had a mixture of elation and sadness as Smith has made leaps and bounds as a film maker, is a truly talented writer and if this is what he can do then he shouldn't be quitting. Just my two cents worth...

[bassman]

Whoa....touched a fanboy nerve, did I? :elol:

I just don't see something like this holding an audience for two whole films, that's all. It's based on a five minute song for Pete's sake. I'll see it and I hope for the best though.


And for the record, i'm not a big fan of Kill Bill. Tarantino just has a larger fanbase that would warrant a film being split into two. Smith's....not so much. I think he's losing more by the day, actually.

[JDFP]

Kill Bill, personally, I think, needed a good editor and Tarantino needs someone to tap him on the shoulder and say, listen buddy your shit does stink like the rest of us pal, ok? There was a great movie hiding in that winding mess of two movies but he was just so in love with himself that we had to sit through this epic waste of time.
However, if that's what he wanted to do and fans lined up to see it (my hypocritical self included) then who ultimately cares?


I think "Kill Bill" is probably Tarantino's best work, I absolutely digged it, and consider it only as 1 film as opposed to 2. As far as Tarantino goes though, yeah, I think the guy has a massive ego. His films can also be quite boring too. A Tarantino film is 80% yakking about nonsense for 80% of the film and then 20% of really "cool stuff" happening that makes up for the other 80% of nonsensical yakking about nothing important. I think he writes dialogue for characters sometimes just to hear them speak because he's so impressed with the character he created.

I do like the fact as a Knoxvillian myself that he mentions Knoxville in all of his films (either directly or indirectly) as he was born here and this is his native town. I gotta give the man respect for that.

j.p.

[LouCipherr]

Whoa....touched a fanboy nerve, did I? :elol:

*wads up a newspaper and smacks bassman on the nose*

NO! :lol:


I just don't see something like this holding an audience for two whole films, that's all. It's based on a five minute song for Pete's sake.

While I don't disagree with you, remember that "Pirates" (the first movie) was made based on a 10 minute Disney ride, and it did rather well. Of course, they also had budget and a better director workin' on that, so.... :lol:

Nah, i don't see him holding people's interest for one film of this, much less two. I think "Hit Somebody" is just him doing a film for himself. It's a very self-serving project, but if he can do it, more power to him, I'm just not gonna go see it (no interest in hockey here).

So, does that remove my "Smith Nutswiger Status" I've been given (not by you bass, but by others) or what? For the record, I also despised Chasing Amy and Jersey Girl. :lol:



I think "Kill Bill" is probably Tarantino's best work, I absolutely digged it, and consider it only as 1 film as opposed to 2.

I do too, but jumpin' jesus on a pogo stick, there was a LOT that could've been cut out of both of them and still make a single, coherent flick that kicked ass.

Not that they don't kick ass as-is, it's just... jesus, it's a lot to digest!

At least both Kill Bill films didn't drag their ass like fucking Death Proof and Inglorious Basterds - christ almighty, could there be more useless talking in these films that doesn't move the plot along one bit or what? Good lord, Quentin! Stay off the coke! :shifty:

:lol:

[AcesandEights]

I like the Kill Bill films. Over-indulgent? Hell yeah, but I like the long, windy trip they go on.

[MinionZombie]

Could the Kill Bill flicks have been trimmed down? I think the first was just fine - but the second could have benefitted from some fettling down. While I didn't mind the low-key ending (low key in terms of action), I can see why it would have annoyed/disappointed many people that there wasn't a big ruck to finish it all off.

As for Death Proof - I fucking LOVE that movie. Seriously. I fucking love that flick. I've watched it several times now, in both short and extended versions, and I love it. One of my most favourite QT flicks.

Inglourious Basterds - yes, it could have been less chatty (apparently QT did trim down the script! :eek:), and I wanted more of the titular 'Basterds', but I still really dug that flick. I think some of the big conversations scenes could have been handled a little bit more efficiently - such as the scene in the basement pub. Some scenes benefitted from lengthier chats - such as the opening - which is a real masterclass in tension building between two characters, one with something to hide, and another with something to discover. However, the scene in the restaurant where they discuss using the woman's cinema is longer than it needs to be, as is the basement bar sequence, and a few snips here and there throughout could have further tightened the pace a bit ... he has gotten wordier with each film, so I think QT would benefit from exercising himself in the art of efficiency. Not undercutting himself, but just not overdoing the talking either - and also, some more action would be nice. Kill Bill was a spiffing example of his skill at creating a kick arse action set piece - the pace of the action, and what's happening in the action itself, is like a version of talking ... ... except it's fists and feet and guns and so on causing grief. :elol:

...

Back to Hit Somebody - I know very little indeed about ice hockey, but if everybody who was into ice hockey went to see it, I'm sure it'd do alright for itself ... plus if he's bringing in all of the people from his filmmaking career to play roles throughout, he'll rope in his regular customers too - and possibly a few more newbies who get attracted to a certain name attached to the project.

[LouCipherr]

Could the Kill Bill flicks have been trimmed down? I think the first was just fine - but the second could have benefitted from some fettling down. While I didn't mind the low-key ending (low key in terms of action), I can see why it would have annoyed/disappointed many people that there wasn't a big ruck to finish it all off.

I had no problem with the ending, but QT has this thing about conversations and dialogue that go on and on and have no bearing on the story at hand. My time is imporant (to me), so don't waste the shit with inane conversation! :lol:


As for Death Proof - I fucking LOVE that movie. Seriously. I fucking love that flick. I've watched it several times now, in both short and extended versions, and I love it. One of my most favourite QT flicks.

Dear lord, MZ! All that boring talk between the girls, was that shit REALLY necessary?! Where's the "yawn" smiley when I need 'im?! :lol:


Inglourious Basterds - yes, it could have been less chatty (apparently QT did trim down the script! :eek:), and I wanted more of the titular 'Basterds', but I still really dug that flick.

I think Brad Pitt is the best part of this film, and boy does it pain me to say that.. :D If we could've had more of him and the Basterds in that movie then it would've been fantastic! Sorta like Pulp Fiction - had that movie only been about Jules & Vincent, it would've been my favorite movie of all time. :lol:

[AcesandEights]

I actually like Tarantino dialogue. I tend to find it at turns normal and bizarre, yet just about always engaging. Many people have tried to copy it, with very mixed results.