Captain America 2 - The Winter Soldier (film)

[Neil]

So it now has directors attached - http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Captain-America-2-Hires-Community-Producers-Joe-Anthony-Russo-Direct-31285.html


Looking for ward to this film. For me, the first was right up there with Iron Man 1, and I certainly enjoyed it more than The Avengers, which although entertaining, for me, even with all the fights, followed by fights, followed by fights, I ultimately found a bit vapid due to the lack of any real character building and indeed concern.

[bassman]

I'm hoping this is better than the first. For me, Captain America was the least Marvel film out of the recent bunch. It lacked the "real" world feeling of the others and felt more like a cheap toy advertisement. I also didn't connect with Captain Rogers like I did Stark, Banner, Thor, etc.

I'm more looking forward to Shane Black's Iron Man 3 and Thor 2. The rumored Blank Panther film has my attention, as well.

[Neil]

I'm hoping this is better than the first. For me, Captain America was the least Marvel film out of the recent bunch. It lacked the "real" world feeling of the others and felt more like a cheap toy advertisement. I also didn't connect with Captain Rogers like I did Stark, Banner, Thor, etc.

I'm more looking forward to Shane Black's Iron Man 3 and Thor 2. The rumored Blank Panther film has my attention, as well.Not having a go, but I felt the exact opposite. I've watched CA a couple of time and enjoy the human thread through it. Where as I watched The Avengers and felt it was just fight after (contrived) fight with never a moment of drama or true concern in there. I thought with even all its flaws, Thor was a more solid drama than The Avengers.

Odd how people can get such different experiences from the same film(s).

IM3 could be interesting as long as its more towards the quality of the first IMHO. Thor2, I'll be interested in if its as good or better than the first.

[AcesandEights]

Well, we'll see what happens w/ a 2nd Cap film. I really enjoyed the first one and thought they handled it deftly.

I kind of feel like Bassman is on to something with how they handled certain parts, though, and I think Hydra and their toys could have not always been so ultramodern, sleek and shiny. That said, I think for a movie w/ a guy wearing the stars and stripes, they approached it in about as well thought out a fashion as they could have and I thought the film had some real heart, decent (comic book-style) characterization to it and was a fun ride.

The Avengers, for me, was a superbly done balancing act. I think it helps that I had some investment in the characters, so all those fights were actually fun and filled with bits of characterization for me as a viewer. The fact that they didn't grow stale for me was something I saw as a great achievement, even as I doubted their ability to repeat such a feat with a second film (though I'd love to be proven wrong on that count).

Thor? Well, for me, Thor was the weakest of the recent Avengers line up of films (discounting the Hulk films, which I don't think I've ever given a fair shake). The story and character didn't resonate with me, as I would have liked, but they had a tall order to fill, too.

[SymphonicX]

hated number 1...just hated. Hated all of them so far though - apart from Iron Man which was borderline OK. None of those films are very magical for me, tbh. Hulk, Xmen, cap am, Thor, etc...saw all of them and wish I had my time back!

[AcesandEights]

It might be that grimmer fare is what you're looking for, Symph. Did you like the Batman movies? How about the 90s Batman movies, for comparison, sake?

I'm guessing you like grimdark (to borrow a Dannyism) super hero melodramas better, perhaps.

[SymphonicX]

It might be that grimmer fare is what you're looking for, Symph. Did you like the Batman movies? How about the 90s Batman movies, for comparison, sake?

I'm guessing you like grimdark (to borrow a Dannyism) super hero melodramas better, perhaps.

Superhero movies are hard to get right eh? The only ones I like are the Superman movies - and the last two of those aren't particularly good either...!

Batman Begins - meh....really bad pace, not much happens, not much invested by the end - and a pretty boring bad guy...well made though, atmospheric, dark - its just that nothing really happens in it.

Dark Knight - over and over I'll bemoan this movie. Too long by approximately 45 minutes, exceptionally poor in it's pacing. Movie loses steam and ideas by the end and the last 10 minutes feel rushed and tacked on. The "moral" or underlying theme is hard to hook onto, and of course both of these movies are plagued by Bale's bad voices. Great soundtrack, great effects, great performance from Heath - but wasn't enough to save it.

Original batman movies: absolutely hate. Hate Keaton as Batman, he's closer to Albert than Bruce Wayne. Not a big fan of Jack's joker, but he wasn't bad. The overtly comic book style is great, but overall the movie is soooo bland. Again nothing happens and the investment in character is limited. The movie is flat in a lot of places, and the setpieces seem to drive it to the end.

Batman returns: saw at cinema age 10...ugh. Over-egging the pudding.

The rest of the batman movies: abortions.

Thing is, I love superhero movies and comics....I loved Spiderman (Toby version), 1+2 although 3 is horrible in every way. Love Superman movies, too...but the modern ones really don't have that magic - and I don't put it down to my age and cynicism....!

[bassman]

Just curious.....are you a fan of any of these characters in their comic form? Although they've had financial success(meaning non-comic fans must like them), i've often wondered if my love for Batman has increased my enjoyment of Begins and TDK. Even I admit TDK could have used some trims, but I still consider it the best Batman film to date.

Also nice to see Superman getting some love. I feel like most audiences have forgotten Donner's film and I still consider it THE superhero movie of all time. It set a standard that none others have really yet to reach.

[MinionZombie]

I'm with Neil, I really enjoyed Captain America. It wasn't quite as good as Iron Man, but I had a thoroughly good time with the movie, and I've seen it twice. Once in the cinema with my mates, and once over Xmas watching it with my Dad, and each time everyone seeing it dug it. It's bloody good fun, with enough character stuff thrown in to begin with so that we actually give a stuff about Rogers. The tone was obviously lighter than Iron Man generally, but I thought that worked, it kind of had a bit of a vibe to it akin to a Saturday morning serial, which I'm sure was intentional - plus, coming from the guy who did The Rocketeer, the tone makes sense.

I was less keen on Thor generally - but nonetheless enjoyed it more than I thought I would both times seeing it (although the 3D was a piss take in the cinema on that one).

[EvilNed]

I have a hard time seeing what this sequel's gonna be about. Didn't the Avengers pretty much follow up on Captain America? Wasn't that pretty much "Captain America 2"?

[rongravy]

Sorry, but I think Cap beat the pants off Iron Man, TDK, and Supe Returns. To me those were snoozefests, especially Iron Man.
Bring on Cap 2!!!

[Neil]

Robert Redford on board! - http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Robert-Redford-Confirms-He-Play-Head-H-I-E-L-Captain-America-Sequel-36734.html


The Captain America thing is just a very simple thing,” Redford explained. “I wanted to do something different. I wanted to do something just to be different. Something bold, different. And that felt like a good thing to do. That was it, nothing more to it than that. Well, it’s bold in terms of expectations, I guess.”

[AcesandEights]

The Captain America thing is just a very simple thing,” Redford explained. “I wanted to do something different. I wanted to do something just to be different. Something bold, different. And that felt like a good thing to do. That was it, nothing more to it than that. Well, it’s bold in terms of expectations, I guess.”

Judging by this quote--and I may be wrong--but I think Redford wanted to try something different. :|

Still, could be very cool...I hope they ratchet the pulp factor down just a tiny bit, myself. We'll see.

[MoonSylver]

I'm with Neil, I really enjoyed Captain America. It wasn't quite as good as Iron Man, but I had a thoroughly good time with the movie, and I've seen it twice. Once in the cinema with my mates, and once over Xmas watching it with my Dad, and each time everyone seeing it dug it. It's bloody good fun, with enough character stuff thrown in to begin with so that we actually give a stuff about Rogers. The tone was obviously lighter than Iron Man generally, but I thought that worked, it kind of had a bit of a vibe to it akin to a Saturday morning serial, which I'm sure was intentional - plus, coming from the guy who did The Rocketeer, the tone makes sense.

MZ gets it. Perfect summation. :thumbsup:


I hope they ratchet the pulp factor down just a tiny bit, myself. We'll see.

Pulp is goo IMO. :) But, given that this one would be set in modern times, I could see it being reduced.

[AcesandEights]

Principle photography starting up... (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=44788)

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Marvel Studios has announced principal photography has begun for Joe and Anthony Russo's "Captain America: The Winter Soldier" in Los Angeles, CA. While the film will begin production in Los Angeles, shooting locations will also include Cleveland, Ohio and Washington D.C.

The release also contained a new, shadowy image of Chris Evans as Captain America next to the S.H.I.E.L.D. sigil and confirmed the cast and their roles...
Returning Marvel Cinematic Universe actors include Evans as Steve Rogers/Captain America, Scarlett Johansson as Natasha Romanoff/Black Widow, Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury, Sebastian Stan as James "Bucky" Barnes/Winter Soldier, Hayley Atwell as Peggy Carter, Toby Jones as Arnim Zola, Cobie Smulders as Agent Maria Hill and Maximiliano Hernandez as Agent Jasper Sitwell. Joining the Marvel Cinematic Universe for the first time are Anthony Mackie as Sam Wilson/Falcon, Frank Grillo as Brock Rumlow, Georges St-Pierre as Georges Batroc, Emily VanCamp as Agent 13 and film icon Robert Redford as Agent Alexander Pierce, a senior leader at S.H.I.E.L.D.

The press release serves as confirmation on several fronts, including VanCamp's portrayal of Agent 13, the alias of Agent Sharon Carter, and St-Pierre's rumored portrayal of Georges Batroc, better known as Batroc the Leaper.


The "Captain America" sequel will pick up following the events of "The Avengers," following Steve Rogers as he "struggles to embrace his role in the modern world and teams up with Natasha Romanoff, aka Black Widow, to battle a powerful yet shadowy enemy in present-day Washington D.C.

Nice, has one of my favorite low powered C-grade Cap villains in it :) Not sure in what direction, especially costume-wise they'll go with regards to one of the longstanding supporting Cap characters, though...

The Falcon...that could be a rough transition to the big screen if they try and stay too faithful, though I've heard Sam Wilson's Ultimates incarnation is pretty kickass! See..
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b205/DougOBrien/ultimate-falcon_zpseb527c5d.jpg

[Neil]

Co-director says it's the greatest Marvel film yet? - http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Captain-America-Winter-Soldier-Co-Director-Says-It-Greatest-Marvel-Movie-Date-38263.html

I really liked the first film, and far preferred it to many other superhero film, including recent offerings such as Iron Man 3 and Man Of Steel. I liked the depth of the character(s), and the solid story without the need for huge over-the-top effects to try and 'sex' it up.

Fingers crossed this claim has merit!

[Neil]

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[AcesandEights]

I'm up for it, but you never know with Marvel films.


Co-director says it's the greatest...

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[EvilNed]

Of course he says that. Why wouldn't he? He's paid to say that.

All-in-all, the Marvel films so far have been Ok. Iron Man 2 was pretty crap, actually, but apart from that they're Okay. Just Okay.

[Neil]

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[MinionZombie]

I'll certainly see the flick and will no doubt enjoy it as much as I did the first (which was a fair bit).

However, is anyone else getting a bit fatigued by the sheer onslaught of superhero/comic book movies? There's so many in various stages of production, and the release schedules always seem to be crammed full of such flicks these days.

[Neil]

However, is anyone else getting a bit fatigued by the sheer onslaught of superhero/comic book movies? There's so many in various stages of production, and the release schedules always seem to be crammed full of such flicks these days.
At one part of last year I started feeling like that!

[MoonSylver]

I'll certainly see the flick and will no doubt enjoy it as much as I did the first (which was a fair bit).

However, is anyone else getting a bit fatigued by the sheer onslaught of superhero/comic book movies? There's so many in various stages of production, and the release schedules always seem to be crammed full of such flicks these days.

Meh. I dunno. I haven't even seen half of them. I'm just glad the tech caught up to the point they could finally start making them proper. As a kid of the 70's it was painful to see the versions that made it to TV (even though we loved the hell out of them).

[AcesandEights]

I''m just glad the tech caught up to the point they could finally start making them proper. As a kid of the 70's it was painful to see the versions that made it to TV (even though we loved the hell out of them).

I completely agree! And I'm not sick of superhero movies, just some of the same IPs over and over and the really bad films. Give Batman a rest and stop trying to make certain books work, such as the Hulk and The Fantastic Four. Ruffalo's Hulk was excellent and worked as an ensemble, but otherwise the character doesn't conform to typical super hero Story arc tropes.

Ant-man can go either way, but I'm psyched for an offbeat attempt.

[Neil]

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[Neil]

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[ProfessorChaos]

not too big on going to the theaters these days, so i didn't see the first one till they started showing it on tv a few weeks ago. i found it rather enjoyable, though, as did my newphew and gf who were watching it with me, so we plan to go see this one on opening weekend.

between the robocop remake, the winter soldier, amazing spider-man 2, and godzilla, this will be the most visits i've made to the theaters in one year in at least the last decade or so....

[Neil]

I loved the first one, really enjoying the more human element to it than found in a lot of other super hero films.

Hoping the second delivers a similar dose and doesn't go all mindless OTT Avengers on us.

[AcesandEights]

Hoping the second delivers a similar dose and doesn't go all mindless OTT Avengers on us.

Couldn't agree more.
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[Neil]

Couldn't agree more.
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Never even saw that flick... And some of it was filmed around where I live too!

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[ProfessorChaos]

nearly every review i've read has praised this as being the best movie yet from marvel studios, really jazzed to see it this weekend. also hoping to see a preview for the amazing spider-man 2 on the big screen rather than my laptop or tv. anyone else planning to check this out in theaters?

[Neil]

Seeing it tomorrow. Risking 3D.

[rongravy]

anyone else planning to check this out in theaters?
Captain America long sleeve tee, check.
Boner pants, check.
Killer bud and munchies...
Hell to the yeah. Hoping to get off work early enough Friday to beat the rush.
I'm having a hard time deciding who I like more, Cap' or Thor. The movies are so different, but just completely kickass compared to the Iron Man snoozefests. I'm going to be sad face when it's all said and done.

[rongravy]

Just got back from seeing it, and loved it. It does start out a bit slow, but I thought it was well worth it. Not spoiling it, but hang out around for both codas.
I will also say Sebastion Stan bears an uncanny resemblance to Mark Hamill at times. Maybe it's the eyes...
Like I said: loved it all, I give it an A. I'm sure there will be haters, I heard some lady walking out say, "It was just another Avengers movie, without the rest of them..."
Also, great Spiderman 2 and XMEN trailers. Even better was the Guardians of the Galaxy trailer. I am soooooo stoked for that one.
Great night, and nobody attempted to ruin it for me. This is rare that I get to fully enjoy a movie without someone throwing a wrench into my plans, but yay for me.
Hope it makes butt tons because I want more Bucky.

[ProfessorChaos]

yeah, this film rocked. the gf and i took our nephews, and unfortunately, mine drinks pepsi like it's going out of style so i had to take him to the bathroom twice throughout, but he managed to wait till the non-action pieces to go.

the opening of the film with cap and his team kicking ass on the ship was awesome. talk about getting a running start! it was almost comical how badly cap was knocking the daylights out of those chumps. plenty of action, a great story, and a real satisfying conclusion. might even make a trip back to the theaters without the little ones to take this one in again to see the couple short bits i had to miss. btw, did anyone notice the "ezekiel 25:17" pulp-fiction reference towards the end of the film? it was a blink-and-you'll-miss-it kind of deal, i think i was the only one in the area i was seated in who caught it.

sadly, they didn't play a trailer for the amazing spider-man 2 prior to the opening of the film, which kinda baffled me. anyhow, i've not seen all the other marvel films, but it was definitely a better film than the first avenger, which i really enjoyed, so this one was quite the ride. probably gonna pick this one up on blu-ray when it hits the stores.

[AcesandEights]

Yeah, finally got to see this Friday and am shocked there wasn't more discussion about this film from others who've gotten a look.

I thought it was great, well balanced and I had totally forgotten that one of the minor Cap villains had been included...that was a nice surprise at the opening of the film.

Really, really enjoyed it!

[bassman]

I'm late to the party, but I've finally seen The Winter Soldier. With The First Avenger being my least favorite of the Marvel films and downright ridiculous at times(imo), TWS is a MASSIVE improvement. I really like how they went with more of a spy thriller, only set within the confines of a summer tentpole film. Some of it was a bit predictable and slow at times, but overall it was a damn fine entry into Marvel's line up. Guardians of the Galaxy was easily their best of this year, but TWS is also nothing to shake a stick at.

7.5/10

[MoonSylver]

Finally saw this over the weekend on DVD. Not the greatest of the Marvel films, but damn good. 8/10 at least. Now that the origin story was out of the way it was great to see Cap in all out action. Easy to see now why the shield slinger is the man. :)