Former CIA Army General: Martial Law Expected & “Warranted”

[Sammich]

People need to understand what martial law entails. FEMA will be in charge and the military will be the primary enforcers. It is a suspension of your Constitutional rights. It means a dusk to dawn curfew. If the authorities want to confiscate guns and food they will. If they want to confiscate communication devices they will. If they want to "evacuate" you to another location they will. If they want to place you under arrest because you are on one of their "lists" they will. All of this will be done at the end of a gun.

Former CIA Army General: Martial Law Expected & “Warranted” (http://etfdailynews.com/2012/08/02/former-cia-army-general-martial-law-expected-warranted/)

Lt. General William Boykin (retired) told TruNews Radio Tuesday that the U.S. economy of the United States “is just about the break” and collapse. And when the dam gives way, severe food shortages and pervasive violence throughout America will warrant, in his opinion, an executive declaration of martial law.

“I’ll be very honest with you; the situation in America could be such that martial law is actually warranted, and that situation in my view could occur if we had an economic collapse,” said Boykin, a former CIA Deputy Director of Special Activities.

“The dam is just about to break on our economy, and I think when it does, there’s going to be a major disruption of the distribution of food,” he added. “And I think what you’ll see particularly in the inner cities is you will see riots, civil unrest that ultimately might justify martial law.”

[AcesandEights]

Lt. General William Boykin (retired) told TruNews Radio Tuesday that the U.S. economy of the United States “is just about the break” and collapse.

Not that we're not living in dire times, but Boykin isn't renowned for having all his oars in the water. I can only put so much credence in what he has to say, though he has gotten in trouble for being outspoken, so you never know...

[Sammich]

They have been drafting martial law contingency plans for decades. The latest one, REX 84, was exposed during the Iran/Contra hearings and entailed the suspension of the Constitution followed by the arrest and detaining of those the government deemed a "threat". All of these plans such as CABLESPLICE and GARDENPLOT still sit on the shelf today and can be activated whenever those in power deem it necessary. This stuff is VERY real and cannot be dismissed by the hand wavers calling everything "conspiracy theory".

Oliver North Questioned - Rex 84 Exposed During Iran Contra
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Code-name Cable Splice,Operation Garden Plot and a history (http://cotocrew.wordpress.com/2009/08/01/code-name-cable-spliceoperation-garden-plot-and-a-history/)

If any civil disturbance by a resistance group, religious organization, or other persons considered to be non-conformist takes place, under Appendix 3 to Annex B of Plan 55-2 hereby gives all Federal forces total power over the situation if local and state authorities cannot put down said dissenters. Annex A, section B of Operation Garden Plot defines tax protesters, militia groups, religious cults, and general anti-government dissenters as Disruptive Elements. This calls for the deadly force to be used against any extremist or dissident perpetrating any and all forms of civil disorder.Under section D, a Presidential Executive Order will authorize and direct the Secretary of Defense to use the Armed Forces of the United States to restore order.

[rongravy]

Add that to this year's current drought that's going to drive the prices up on EVERYTHING, and boom...

[Mr. Clean]

Heard this bullshit before....

They aren't gonna take anyone's food or guns....and here's why...

We're no where near this point of government control....yet.....so take the tin foil hats off.

How many stand offs you reckon there will be when federal or local law enforcement start showing up and announcing "give us your food and weapons"? Who in their right mind would just willingly give up their guns not to mention their food? And how many military, federal & local law enforcement say "screw this....I have a family of my own....I am not gonna do this to others or risk losing my own life over a bs government agenda."? This whole FEMA concentration camp / martial law thing is a huge stretch.

[rgc2005]

+1 to Mr Clean.
The highest probability of "FEMA-Land" would be under a highly catastrophic regional disaster like New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. Katrina happened after years of train up and contingency planning and look how badly FEMA performed. Most of the conspiracy theorists fail to understand, but FEMA completely believes, is that the federal government is incapable of replacing local government. Soviet style national governments do not work........

[Sammich]

I see the hand wavers are using the same old "conspiracy theory" dismissal tactic.

Here is an article from the BBC from 2002:

Bush defends shadow government (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1850236.stm)

President George W Bush has acknowledged taking measures to ensure continuity of government in the event of another large-scale terrorist attack on the United States.

"This is serious business," he said of the plan during a trip to Iowa, following reports on Friday that he had set up an emergency parallel administration.

The operation - officials said - was activated after the 11 September attacks but planning dates back to the Cold War era.

But senior congressional leaders have been quoted by the Washington Post newspaper as saying they had not been informed about the operation.

Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle said he had not been told about the role, location or even the existence of the shadow government.

And an aide to House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt told the newspaper that he was also unaware of the administration's move.

The Washington Post said the shadow government involves 70 or more officials drawn from all departments - depending on the perceived level of threat.

Those taking part live and work underground for long spells at secret fortified locations on the East Coast.

The core group of federal managers would put into effect orders from the president or his constitutional successor.

Are you serious that we aren't anywhere near the point of government control? It is admitted in the article that they already have the framework in place for a "shadow government", without even consulting with Congress. The people that will be taking over are not elected and have no accountability to the citizens.

FEMA was never created as a disaster relief agency. It's first and foremost function has always been the continuity of government. So it should not be a surprise at how inadequately they handled Katrina.

FEMA Executive Orders

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to seize all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports, and waterways

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA’s Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA’s role as a “new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis.” FEMA’s powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate:

the National Security Act of 1947, which allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities;

the 1950 Defense Production Act, which gives the President sweeping powers over all aspects of the economy;

the Act of August 29, 1916, which authorizes the Secretary of the Army, in time of war, to take possession of any transportation system for transporting troops, material, or any other purpose related to the emergency;

the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, which enables the President to seize the property of a foreign country or national. These powers were transferred to FEMA in a sweeping consolidation in 1979

I have been following the expansion of these martial law plans and related agencies ever since Rex 84 was talked about in the Iran/Contra hearings. The same "conspiracy theory" dismissals were said time and time, even after more details of the plans were made public. It is easy for someone to say, "well, I THINK it won't happen, so it won't." I remember the same people said "I THINK it won't happen, so it won't" when warned at the slippery slope the Patriot Act wouldn't be just limited to foreign terrorists. Guess what? When government is given a power it uses it. "It won't happen" didn't stop the now legal against U.S. citizens the suspension of habeus corpus, indefinite detention, spying, and extrajudicial assassination of U.S. citizens.

Have you seen law enforcement lately? Even little towns police departments have their own military trained SWAT teams and armored vehicles courtesy of funding from the federal government. The days of Barney Fife keeping the peace with an unloaded gun have been replaced with roid raged cops thinking they are on combat patrols against insurgents. The only entity that can override any federal interventions in the states is the County Sheriff. When was the last time you heard a Sheriff tell the feds to take a hike? How about just adding combat hardened military into law enforcement.

Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1 (http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/)

The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.

Now they’re training for the same mission — with a twist — at home.

In the meantime, they’ll learn new skills, use some of the ones they acquired in the war zone and more than likely will not be shot at while doing any of it.

They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.

Specialized Military Police Deployed in America During Civil Unrest (http://theintelhub.com/2012/08/01/specialized-military-police-deployed-in-america-during-civil-unrest/)

Having been deployed overseas prior to their new placement, these SMPs will secure evidence and assist local police departments in building cases against predetermined criminal networks. They may even conduct raids in cities and add to the show of force that is now being used to intimidate the average citizen.

SMPs would be deployed to assist in any event of civil disturbance, handling of detainees, use biometrics to identify suspects and conduct forensic work.

Their assistance is not limited to conducting DUIs and writing speeding tickets in an effort to re-brand the Marine Corps as being more involved with average work now allocated to local law enforcement.

Do I want martial law? NO. The issue is that ALL of the mechanisms are in place and we now have a government (both democrat and republican) that has shown a pattern of doing whatever it wants, the Constitution be damned, by using the excuse of "national security" or fighting the "war on terror". It just can't be wished away or stopped by declaring it won't happen.

[rongravy]

http://news.yahoo.com/us-really-experience-violent-upheaval-2020-162332158.html
Lol, looks like we're about due for some unrest. Or so "they" say...

[Mr. Clean]

http://t.qkme.me/35mizp.jpg

:lol:

I just can't see any of this happening without another revolution taking place.

[rgc2005]

Well,,, you could always torrent old episodes of Jericho and Jeremiah.....................................

[Tricky]

http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Tin-Foil-Hat.jpg

That is all

[babomb]

So I take it none of the naysayers in here have seen anything about the police in CA in full combat gear complete with 40mm multi-launchers, being shuttled in on APC's to handle the civil unrest going on over the police shooting 2 unarmed men? probably not since there's a MEDIA BLACKOUT on it.
If the mainstream media isn't reporting it, then it didn't happen, right?:shifty:

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10 years ago I would've said that I couldn't see things like what's in the images above happening without some major backlash in society, like a revolution. Yet, here we are. And it's happening. In fact, back in 1999 I never thought I'd see anything that's going on today. It just didn't seem likely or plausible. But then the towers fell, and shit just went haywire.
And now it's just utterly amazing to me how people outright refuse to see what's right in front of them! What's it gonna take to make people see? Are you gonna reserve judgement until they're on the streets in your town, in front of your neighbors house? Or maybe until they come knockin on your door? They're shooting women and children with rubber bullets! Then they go door to door and offer to buy the cell phone videos people shot of their brutality. This is all documented and proven, but the media isn't reporting on it. Do you guys honestly think this is nothing to be alarmed about? :confused:
This is a show of force in effort to prevent people from standing up for their rights. It's a smaller scale "Operation:Shock & Awe" on US soil, and a sign of what's to come. They're showing America what to expect when they try to exercise their right to assemble, or try to resist. Same thing with the Occupy movement, and the media blackout is so that people around the country don't get riled up and try to follow suit......
What's the point.......just put your heads back in the sand and pretend...:annoyed:

[Mike70]

ok. i've had it with this fear mongering and doom/gloom. sammich STOP the frikkin' bullshit. you are taking all of these things way out of context.

the VAST majority of these executive orders date back decades for example: executive order 10995 was signed by President KENNEDY on the 16th of Feb, 1962. they are from a time when there was a very real fear that a global nuclear war was possible and that everything could be smashed into ruins.

just for shits and giggles here is the exact text of the order:

WHEREAS telecommunications is vital to the security and welfare of this Nation and to the conduct of its foreign affairs;

WHEREAS it is imperative that the United States maintain an efficient and well-planned national and international telecommunications program capable of stimulating and incorporating rapid technological advances being made in the field of telecommunications;

WHEREAS the radio spectrum is a critical natural resource which requires elective, efficient and prudent administration in the national interest;

WHEREAS it is essential that responsibility be clearly assigned within the executive branch of the Government for promoting and encouraging effective and efficient administration and development of United States national and international telecommunications and for effecting the prudent use of the radio frequency spectrum by the executive branch of the Government;

WHEREAS there is an immediate and urgent need for an examination of ways and means of improving the administration and utilization of the radio spectrum as a whole;

WHEREAS there is an immediate and urgent need for integrated short and long-range planning with respect to national and international telecommunications programs, for continuing supervision over the use of the radio frequency spectrum by the executive branch of the Government and for the development of national policies in the field of telecommunications;

NOW, THEREFORE, as President of the United States and Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces of the United States, and by virtue of the authority vested in me by sections 305 and 606 of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended (47 U.S.C. 305 and 606), and by section 301 of Title 3 of the United States Code, it is hereby ordered as follows:

SECTION 1. There is hereby established the position of Director of Telecommunications Management, which position shall be held by one of the Assistant Directors of the Office of Emergency Planning provided for under Reorganization Plan No. 1 of 1958, as amended (72 Stat. 1799).

SEC. 2. Subject to the authority and control of the President, the Director of Telecommunications Management shall:

(a) Coordinate telecommunications activities of the executive branch of the Government and be responsible for the formulation, after consultation with appropriate agencies, of overall policies and standards therefor. He shall promote and encourage the adoption of uniform policies and standards by agencies authorized to operate telecommunications systems. Agencies shall consult with the Director of Telecommunications Management in the development of policies and standards for the conduct of their telecommunications activities within the overall policies of the executive branch.

(b) Develop data with regard to United States Government frequency requirements.

(c) Encourage such research and development activities as he shall deem necessary and desirable for the attainment of the objectives set forth in section 6 below.

(d) Contract for studies and reports related to any aspect of his responsibilities.

SEC. 3. The authority to assign radio frequencies to Government agencies, vested in the President by section 305 of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended (47 U.S.C. 305), including all functions heretofore vested in the Interdepartment Radio Advisory Committee, is hereby delegated to the Director of the Office of Emergency Planning, who may redelegate such authority to the Director of Telecommunications Management. Such authority shall include the power to amend, modify, or revoke frequency assignments.

SEC. 4. The functions and responsibilities vested in the Director of the Office of Emergency Planning by Executive Order No. 10705 of April 17, 1957, as amended, may be redelegated to the Director of Telecommunications Management Executive Orders No. 10695A of January 16, 1957, and No. 10705, as amended are hereby further amended insofar as they are with the present order. Executive Order No. 10460 of June 16, 1953, is hereby revoked.

SEC. 5. The Director of Telecommunications Management shall establish such interagency advisory committees and working groups composed of representatives, interested agencies and consult with such departments and agencies as may be necessary for the most effective performance of his functions. To the extent that he deems it necessary or advisable to continue tile Interdepartment Radio Advisory Committee it shall serve in an advisory capacity to the Director of Management.

SEC. 6. In carrying out functions under this order, the Director of Telecommunications Management shall consider the following objectives:

(a) Full and efficient employment of telecommunications resources in carrying out national policies;

(b) Development of telecommunications plans, policies, and programs under which full advantage of technological development will accrue to the Nation and the users of telecommunications; and which will satisfactorily serve the national security; sustain and contribute to the full development of world trade and commerce; strengthen the position and serve the best interests of the United States in negotiations with foreign nations; and permit maximum use of resources through better frequency management;

(c) Utilization of the radio spectrum by the Federal Government in a manner which permits and encourages the most beneficial use thereof in the public interest;

(d) Implementation of the national policy of development and effective use of space satellites for international telecommunications services.

SEC.7. Nothing contained in this order shall be deemed to impair any existing authority or jurisdiction of the Federal Communications Commission.

SEC. 8. The Director of Telecommunications Management and the Federal Communications Commission shall assist and give policy advice to the Department of State in the discharge of its functions in the field of international telecommunications policies, positions and negotiations.

SEC.9. The Director of Telecommunications Management shall issue such rules and regulations as may be necessary to carry out the duties and responsibilities vested in him by this order or delegated to him wider this order.

SEC. 10. All executive departments and agencies of the Federal Government are authorized and directed to cooperate with the Director of Management and to furnish him such information, support and assistance, not inconsistent with the law, as he may require in the performance of his duties.

JOHN F. KENNEDY THE WHITE HOUSE, February 16, 1962

every single one of these executive orders has the fear of nuclear war behind it. without the cold war, no one would've even be wondering about half the shit in these executive orders.

[Sammich]

ok. i've had it with this fear mongering and doom/gloom. sammich STOP the frikkin' bullshit. you are taking all of these things way out of context.

the VAST majority of these executive orders date back decades for example: executive order 10995 was signed by President KENNEDY on the 16th of Feb, 1962. they are from a time when there was a very real fear that a global nuclear war was possible and that everything could be smashed into ruins.

just for shits and giggles here is the exact text of the order:


every single one of these executive orders has the fear of nuclear war behind it. without the cold war, no one would've even be wondering about half the shit in these executive orders.

Have these executive orders been repealed? Do they state that these executive orders will only be used under time of nuclear war?

The Patriot Act and NDAA were passed with the fear of FOREIGN TERRORISM behind them. The RICO law was passed to be used against mafia organized crime. The War on Drugs assett forfeiture laws were passed to go after drug trafficking kingpins. ALL of have been subverted. The problem with many people is that they either are very myopic or just plain naive when it comes to just how far government will take power given to it.

Here is an article from yesterday:

Army colonel ignites firestorm with article on crushing a 'tea party insurgency' (http://www.examiner.com/article/army-colonel-ignites-firestorm-with-article-on-crushing-a-tea-party-insurgency)

A retired U.S. Army colonel who now teaches modern warfare to soldiers at the University of Foreign Military and Cultural Studies at Fort Leavenworth, Kan. has co-written an article with a Civil War expert that has ignited a firestorm today among those increasingly concerned about what some say is a distinct anti-civilian tone that has infected much of the military and Homeland Security since 2009.

Retired Col. Kevin Benson and Jennifer Weber, Associate Professor of History at the University of Kansas, co-wrote an article for Small Wars Journal on a 2010 Army report titled, "U.S. Army Training and Doctrine Command, The Army Operating Concept 2016 - 2028."

The report describes how the Army will respond to threats "at home and abroad" in the coming two decades and in doing so has made clear that a monumental cultural shift has occurred in the thinking of those at the top levels of military command. This shift has some government watchdogs worried, particularly given that Benson is using the platform provided at Fort Leavenworth to educate military personnel in his vision of the nature of modern warfare in America. According to the vision articulated by Benson, future warfare will be conducted on our own soil. The military will use its full force against our own citizens. The enemy will be average citizens whose values resonate with those articulated by the tea party.

Full Spectrum Operations in the Homeland: A “Vision” of the Future (http://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/full-spectrum-operations-in-the-homeland-a-%E2%80%9Cvision%E2%80%9D-of-the-future)

[babomb]

ok. i've had it with this fear mongering and doom/gloom. I think that sentiment is shared by all. It's just that everyone has a different reaction. Some prefer to warn others of the problems they see, and actually talk about it. Others would prefer to pretend it isn't happening, and try to make jokes about tinfoil hats and conspiracies. But when you put it front of them in a way they can't deny or belittle you for, they clam up. No jokes, no condescending remarks, no nothing.
This "fear mongering" and "doom/gloom" is the reality of this country, and the world we live in today. Refusing to look at it or pretending it isn't there doesn't change that. It just puts you in a particularly bad position and makes you unable to deal with it.
You don't shoot the messenger just because you don't like the message....

http://hateandanger.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/morpheus-you-have-to-understand-most-people-are-not-ready-to-be-unplugged-and-many-of-them-are-so-inured-so-hopelessly-dependent-on-the-system-that-they-will-fight-to-protect-it.jpg

[rgc2005]

The pictures he posted are of the local police SWAT team and their van.
Sammich is plastering this site with nothing more than troll bait.
This is a Zombie/Horror genre board and no place for heavy discussion of individual politics.

[babomb]

The pictures he posted are of the local police SWAT team and their van.
Sammich is plastering this site with nothing more than troll bait.
This is a Zombie/Horror genre board and no place for heavy discussion of individual politics. I understand where you're coming from. And there's probably others that don't like to see political topics here. But I think it's a testament to to the maturity of the members that we can have political discussions, disagree with each other sometimes in heated discussion but come away from it with no hard feelings toward each other. I know you've made alot of points on things I agree with, and i appreciate your input on things and wouldn't want to see you stop taking part in discussion. But really there's no harm being done by Sammich and anything he posts. Not in my opinion anyway. I'm not just saying that cuz we agree on alot of things either. I want opposing opinions on things, it makes you understand things better and keeps you on your toes. It can be very humbling when someone verbally makes you wear your ass for a hat.
Yes it's a zombie/horror based board, but this is the general discussion section where you're expected to post things that aren't zombie/horror related. There are no rules being broken by him posting anything he posts. And he doesn't post them for the purpose of turning things into a flame war. He doesn't make personal attacks on anyone who disagrees with him. So I don't really see the problem.
In fact, Neil, the site owner/administrator takes part in many political discussions and oversees what's posted. So if what Sammich posted was truly troll bait, I think Neil or one of the moderators would warn him about it. But that hasn't happened so that must mean that what he posts is not seen as troll bait or problematic. Other people post political topics too.
We're all adults here I believe so we should be able to decide for ourselves what we choose to read and discuss. Nobody is forced to read anything they aren't interested in reading.
If it's that much of a problem, there is an ignore function. Most members tend not to use it as it isn't really necessary for the most part. I've never seen anyone being harassed or pursued around the boards where the ignore function is needed. I think everyone is mature enough to conduct themselves in an orderly manner where it's not an issue.

[Mr. Clean]

The pictures he posted are of the local police SWAT team and their van.
Sammich is plastering this site with nothing more than troll bait.
This is a Zombie/Horror genre board and no place for heavy discussion of individual politics.

lol dude, some of the stuff you have been saying towards Sammich has been making me laugh my ass off so I'm not picking on you by saying this but take notice...

YOU are making yourself out to be the troll here. You've constantly been poking your finger in Sammich's eye socket in several threads here and I'm guessing he probably doesn't like you taking a dump on his freedom of speech. Sooooo how about cutting Sammich some slack and allow him to express his First Amendment rights? I'm not saying you can't debate with him but the "your stupid and/or crazy so shut up" arguement is lame.

Oh and yes, Zombie board discussions are held in the Dead Discussion section. Nearly anything is talked about in General Discussion as long as it isn't against the rules.

[Sammich]

You don't shoot the messenger just because you don't like the message....


It is ironic that you say that, because "someone" who told me to take debate and philosophy classes has only dished out ad hominems.

Normalcy Bias
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[babomb]

lol dude, some of the stuff you have been saying towards Sammich has been making me laugh my ass off so I'm not picking on you by saying this but take notice...

YOU are making yourself out to be the troll here. You've constantly been poking your finger in Sammich's eye socket in several threads here and I'm guessing he probably doesn't like you taking a dump on his freedom of speech. Sooooo how about cutting Sammich some slack and allow him to express his First Amendment rights? I'm not saying you can't debate with him but the "your stupid and/or crazy so shut up" arguement is lame.

Oh and yes, Zombie board discussions are held in the Dead Discussion section. Nearly anything is talked about in General Discussion as long as it isn't against the rules. Exactly what I was trying to say. I just didn't want to start more shit so i tried to say it eloquently. Sammich could've really come undone about it, I know I probably would've if I were the one being targeted like that.