TWD 3x10 "Home" episode discussion...**SPOILERS WITHIN**

[MinionZombie]

The tenth episode of season three - keep your discussion of 3x10 "Home" to this thread, and as always keep any future comic book storylines/spoilers within "spoiler tags" (if you don't know how to use spoiler tags, go to the HPOTD FAQ and look up the section on 'BB Codes') - and finally, ENJOY THE DISCUSSION! :)

[Harleydude666]

Please.........for the love of god, don't give us anymore Andrea uniting speeches. Listening to that last week felt like someone scratching a chalkboard with their nails

[Neil]

AICN suggests tonight's episode is far better than last weeks (Spoilers?) - http://www.aintitcool.com/node/61022

[krisvds]

AICN suggests tonight's episode is far better than last weeks (Spoilers?) - http://www.aintitcool.com/node/61022

fingers crossed!

[JonOfTheShred]

Far and away one of the best episodes of the entire series. Holy fuck.

Quick notes:

- I like how they reintroduced the music from the Pilot when Rick was hallucinating Lori. That's one of the cues in the show that I like the most. (I honestly think the music should be a bit more prevalent, but Bear is a master of subtlety. Even if he did steal my Dawn of the Dead rip-off with the Governors theme :p )
-That whole sequence with Daryl saving the family was fucking great. Loved when he smashed the zombies head with the trunk of the car. It's great how they can keep coming up with unique zombie kills like that, that don't come across as hokey. (Like Survival of the Dead.)
- Prison group is getting huge upgrades in strength. If they get Tyrese back, and Merle earns back their trust and starts being a team player, they're gonna FUCK UP Woodbury. Seriously. Just imagine in Abraham and Jesus showed up?
- That Axel death was ridiculously well-timed. Sad he had to go, I liked him and could see him and Carol getting together working, but if anyone had to bite the bullet I guess he was a logical choice. Very similar to his fate in the comic, without being too similar. It was surprising, great way to set up that intense end of the episode.
- Maggie taking Andreas place as the sharp-shooter is gonna be so much win.

BRB, Rick + Daryl + Merle + Michonne + Sharpshooter Maggie + Enraged Glen + Tyrese = Woodbury gonna get FUCKED up

[Cykotic]

agreed...

this is getting more frakked up... they're using zombies as weapons now? can someone tell me just what in the hell is going on? The Governor just stands there whilst bullets are hitting his pick-up, Rick goes all Hulk Smash, Merle becomes the good guy, I finally start to like Axel and now he has a bullet in his head (and back, and everywhere else for that matter)...

Now we're frakking talking!!!

(can one of the mods remove the post I made for this episode in the episode 9 thread?)

Also, a point was made in Talking Dead... would the Governor take Judith now that he has lost Penny?

[AnxietyDilemma]

Amazing how the group can execute head shots to perfection from speeding vehicles in a dark field, and yet in a fire fight, none of them can hit the side of a barn.

[facestabber]

Amazing how the group can execute head shots to perfection from speeding vehicles in a dark field, and yet in a fire fight, none of them can hit the side of a barn.

I thought the same thing. But seriously DARYL F*CKING DIXON!!!

[Cykotic]

I noticed that too! Darkness whilst moving = perfect heashots

Daylight, direct line of sight, high powered weapons = call of duty noob

[JonOfTheShred]

Amazing how the group can execute head shots to perfection from speeding vehicles in a dark field, and yet in a fire fight, none of them can hit the side of a barn.

Yea, because the zombies were clearly raining bullets on them when they were landing all of those head shots ;)

I agree that it was a bit absurd in the Season 2 finale when they were nailing head shots in the pitch black in speeding vehicles, as well as Hershels infinite ammo hacks, but this week I didn't see any gaps in realism quite like that. I mean, who really expected key players on Governors side to get hit with bullets? They're setting the stage for a big battle. That's why only Axel got hit.

Plus, the prison group had NO idea how many people had them in their cross-hairs, so they weren't exactly blessed with the steady hands and calm demeanor to land head shots on living, breathing targets. And then the zombies ended up taking away all the attention, of course.

[AnxietyDilemma]

Yea, because the zombies were clearly raining bullets on them when they were landing those head shots ;)

I know it's easy as can be to hit a zombie in the head in the dark from a moving vehicle while your fortress is being over run and all, but still.....;)

[JonOfTheShred]

I know it's easy as can be to hit a zombie in the head in the dark from a moving vehicle while your fortress is being over run and all, but still.....;)

Re-read what I added to my post. There's no arguing that the bullet points you mentioned from the Season 2 finale were ridiculous, but again, the ending of this episode was done nearly perfect. Some of the best and most tense moments in the series. In broad daylight, too!

[AnxietyDilemma]

Re-read what I added to my post. There's no arguing that the bullet points you mentioned from the Season 2 finale were ridiculous, but again, the ending of this episode was done perfectly.

I know, I'm not disagreeing, that's just cinema. People lose their shot for the purpose of serving the story, and to build anticipation. If one of them hits the governor who's standing right there in the open, the plot takes a major hit.

[JonOfTheShred]

I know, I'm not disagreeing, that's just cinema. People lose their shot for the purpose of serving the story, and to build anticipation. If one of them hits the governor who's standing right there in the open, the plot takes a major hit.

I think they 'lost their shot' because they were getting fired upon by multiple machine guns, and were then swarmed by zombies. It wasn't a weak plot device, it was logical they wouldn't be landing kills in this situation. In fact, if they were landing kills it would be just as absurd as the Season 2 Finale, IMO. Although I do know what you're talking about, because in the S2 Finale it definitely was a rather weak plot device to have them all have head-shot hacks in play.

I can't wait to see them fuck up the Governors squad, though. That's gonna be glorious. I almost expected Glen to smash his truck into the Governors when they were speeding away, but he went back to save his friends instead, which was the smarter move

[AnxietyDilemma]

I think they 'lost their shot' because they were getting fired upon by multiple machine guns, and were then swarmed by zombies. It wasn't a weak plot device, it was logical they wouldn't be landing kills in this situation. In fact, if they were landing kills it would be just as absurd as the Season 2 Finale, IMO. Although I do know what you're talking about, because in the S2 Finale it definitely was a rather weak plot device to have them all have head-shot hacks in play

I'm not really going to argue this, I fully understand why it happened and it didn't ruin anything for me. I understand that the circumstances would directly impact one's ability to hit their target, but with the amount of firing that ensued, if this were reality, a few of those bullets might accidentally find a target. I understand why they didn't and I'm fine with that, you see it all the time in "Hollywood".

I mean, how many shots were inches away from hitting an exposed Rick? It's all about building action and anticipation. Obviously none of those characters were supposed to be written off at this point, so the bullets had to miss by a few inches. Axel was the most expendable and was sacrificed for effect, to stun the viewers and the characters, so the bullet found its mark on the first try from far away. Yes, I know, the governor did have ample time to snipe him.

[Cykotic]

So, is this attack gonna be the thing that snaps rick out of his kinda catatonic state?

[JonOfTheShred]

I'm not really going to argue this, I fully understand why it happened and it didn't ruin anything for me. I understand that the circumstances would directly impact one's ability to hit their target, but with the amount of firing that ensued, if this were reality, a few of those bullets might accidentally find a target. I understand why they didn't and I'm fine with that, you see it all the time in "Hollywood".

I mean, how many shots were inches away from hitting an exposed Rick? It's all about building action and anticipation. Obviously none of those characters were supposed to be written off at this point, so the bullets had to miss by a few inches. Axel was the most expendable and was sacrificed for effect, to stun the viewers and the characters, so the bullet found its mark on the first try from far away. Yes, I know, the governor did have ample time to snipe him.

Yea, I totally agree more people should have taken some bullets in the prison, like in the arm and shit. Would have made it slightly more believable. Especially Rick and Hershel.

Or maybe Tyrese and his group could have showed up, and Ben gets shot in the face, so Allen is all like "WTF!" heh

[facestabber]

I'm not really going to argue this, I fully understand why it happened and it didn't ruin anything for me. I understand that the circumstances would directly impact one's ability to hit their target, but with the amount of firing that ensued, if this were reality, a few of those bullets might accidentally find a target. I understand why they didn't and I'm fine with that, you see it all the time in "Hollywood".

I mean, how many shots were inches away from hitting an exposed Rick? It's all about building action and anticipation. Obviously none of those characters were supposed to be written off at this point, so the bullets had to miss by a few inches. Axel was the most expendable and was sacrificed for effect, to stun the viewers and the characters, so the bullet found its mark on the first try from far away. Yes, I know, the governor did have ample time to snipe him.

Would have helped if our group unselected full auto. Michonnes range could have scored hits on the gov but the group inside were too far away for even accidental hits at that range. Toward the gov I mean. The guy in the tower, sure a couple controlled bursts. But semi auto is the way to go.

[AnxietyDilemma]

In the end it's not a huge deal, I just thought it was kind of funny comparing their marksmanship between the season 2 finale and this episode so I halfheartedly commented on it. I thought it was a great episode either way, even though I'm not too wild about the whole "Lori" angle.

Actually though, I was a bit surprised that we didn't see the obligatory superficial gunshot wound that would disappear within a few episodes to one of the main characters.

[facestabber]

Ok my girlfriend is yelling at me to post her observation about a golden opportunity lost. Regarding the mother and baby on the bridge. There is a good chance she was a breast feeding mother and would have proved invaluable to feed Judith. I give her credit for that observation. I have to give her feedback of responses so fire away.

[Moon Knight]

Wow was an amazing episode. The story purposely slowed down so the final ten minutes could have the impacted it delivered. They set the stage up perfect for the remainder of the season. Bravo!

RIP Axel. At least you went happy and in peace with yourself.

[babomb]

Ok my girlfriend is yelling at me to post her observation about a golden opportunity lost. Regarding the mother and baby on the bridge. There is a good chance she was a breast feeding mother and would have proved invaluable to feed Judith. I give her credit for that observation. I have to give her feedback of responses so fire away.
It's a good observation. But the logistics of it are more difficult.
1st, daryl and Merle weren't set on going back at that point, and Daryl just wanted to diffuse the situation with Merle looting those peoples vehicle. We also don't know that the baby was even that woman's birth child. With such a lack of nutrition out on the road like that, the woman probably would have a hard time producing enough milk for 2 babies. She would also prioritize her own baby, which could lead to conflict. And then to even make that all happen in the 1st place, Daryl and Merle would've had to convince 3 people that didn't speak english that it was imperative that they bring them to a prison where there was a group of unknown people, that would've been involved in an intense firefight at the time of their arrival. Those people would've likely just hightailed it out of there once they saw the situation at the prison. Unless they were to be held against their will.
So in the end, to make that happen would've been very difficult and likely involved taking those people hostage and forcing them to stay at the prison once they got them there, and then forced the woman to produce breast milk for another baby, if she was actually the mother of the baby and was lactating. Not all mothers naturally produce breast milk that's fit to feed babies with. Too many variables there to seize upon the situation and make the outcome favorable.

The thing that's most aggravating to me at this point in the show is that they're at this point where group cohesion is extremely important. but everyone is emotionally unavailable or at odds with each other. You'd think that by this point, that people would be able to get their emotions under control or at least switch them off entirely.
Emotions are the #1 most annoying thing about the human race! Anytime there's a stressful situation that requires clarity of thought, it seems that inevitably, these are the times that people choose to get all butthurt and emotional about things.

[JonOfTheShred]

Emotions are the #1 most annoying thing about the human race! Anytime there's a stressful situation that requires clarity of thought, it seems that inevitably, these are the times that people choose to get all butthurt and emotional about things.

Yea, the characters do seem to cling a bit too tightly to their 'comfortable' emotions. But it seems like once the group started to get attacked they banded together. (Like the Glenn hand on Maggies shoulder, and she reciprocates with her hand, or Michonne helping get Hershel in the truck.)

I agree that emotions can be the #1 most annoying thing about the human race - unless delivered with a dose of comedy. Comedy + Rage is, in particular, a potent and highly amusing combination. ;) But then 99% of people will miss the joke and get all butthurt about another persons semi-serious Rage joke, so the situation escalates.

[MinionZombie]

An interesting interview with Lew Temple (Axel) that's well worth reading - http://dailydead.com/exclusive-lew-temple-talks-the-walking-dead-episode-310-home/

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A solid episode (from the lady who wrote 3x02) - plenty of good time with the characters, it really lulled me into a false sense of security, and then BOOM - poor old Axel, we hardly knew-ye.

That does make me think that we need more time with new additions. I want to get to know these people more so that their possible death would have even more of an impact ... plus, if people are dying all the time you do think:

1) Well how the hell did they survive without a single loss for 8 months?
2) Might the impact of significant character deaths be diminished with the frequency being too high?

Tame the death squad in the writer's room a bit and space these huge shocks out a touch more, you know? I understand the reasoning behind Axel's death (as laid out in the above link), but in future I would like to see the deaths a little bit more sparse - I don't want to become inured to it all.

Great stuff between Daryl and Merle too - strange to think that this is really the first proper time we've had between these two (aside from some stuff in 3x08 and 3x09 - we'd never seen them within the same frame, side-by-side, until 3x08!) ... I loved the little details filtering in. The revelation that they had intended to loot the camp (I wonder how it ended up transpiring that they joined them instead?), Daryl's scars from abuse from his father (as was dealt out to Merle) - good to see Merle get a dose of reality from a more confident Daryl, too. We didn't play that roaming around in the woods too long, it was kept nice and efficient - in this world you don't have time to faff about.

I also liked seeing that yes, there are small groups of other people out there in the world roaming around and that occasionally you'll come across one another. A good way to add in some action to a satisfyingly chatty episode (I imagine some folks out there somewhere were complaining about the chatty stuff before Axel suddenly went down) - I for one was glad to have some time to breathe with these characters. I was certainly taken by surprise when Axel's head took a bullet ... poor bugger.

Nice stuff regarding The Governor too - aside from seeing them replacing and charging walkie talkie batteries (wink wink?) - how he talked to Andrea was very interesting. We know he's a horrid beast, but Andrea doesn't, and look how he manipulates her (or attempt to, anyway) with his words. He comes off as being truthful (saying he's done terrible things) and even tries to butter her up as a potential leader (or at least #2 of Woodbury) ... playing himself somewhat supplicant to her by being 'honest' with her. He wants to keep Andrea on-side (one more for their side, and she's a crack shot to boot).

Clearly from the preview for the next episode though he'll cut her off clean. She'll see and hear what Woodbury did to Team Prison, and at that point she's become an enemy of The Governor. If he can keep her onside, then bully for him so he thinks in this episode, but that won't work Phil. :D

I actually quite liked all the Rick stuff shambling about in a nutjob stupor - I too loved the call back to that piece of music from 1x01 ("The Mercy of the Living"). Very fitting, very moving, and nice to see Sarah Wayne Callies on-screen again. Rick's only just lost his wife a few days ago and he's not had the time to properly deal with this horrendous emotions - he's suffering some form of temporary psychosis - but evidently when bullets come flying, he's snapped out of it. It's definitely important - as they're doing - to dwell a bit on the emotional impact of death in this world, of personal loss. Definitely important to cover this ground too.

The gloves have been off all season, but now they're on the ground and left in the dust! :stunned::eek:


Amazing how the group can execute head shots to perfection from speeding vehicles in a dark field, and yet in a fire fight, none of them can hit the side of a barn.

To be fair, walkers don't shoot back ... also, no doubt it was to redress the balance a bit after people moaned about them being too good at killing walkers in 2x13.


Re-read what I added to my post. There's no arguing that the bullet points you mentioned from the Season 2 finale were ridiculous, but again, the ending of this episode was done nearly perfect. Some of the best and most tense moments in the series. In broad daylight, too!

I thought it was handled quite well in this episode - it was nail-biting stuff - genuinely tense (they're very good at tension on this show), and felt dangerous. It also showed the group up as what they are - not Marines - so they're not going to be the best shot, or necessarily all that calm in a massive ruck like this (full auto) - they can definitely learn. Pick their shots some more etc - perhaps Andrea, when she inevitable crops up at the prison, will focus their gun-toting skills?


Ok my girlfriend is yelling at me to post her observation about a golden opportunity lost. Regarding the mother and baby on the bridge. There is a good chance she was a breast feeding mother and would have proved invaluable to feed Judith. I give her credit for that observation. I have to give her feedback of responses so fire away.

Although at that point they weren't going to go back to the prison - it was only after this situation that Daryl and Merle got into a tussle and Daryl took the lead, leaving Merle unless he chose to follow his little brother, by which time that family were gone.

[bungi43]

Yea, I totally agree more people should have taken some bullets in the prison, like in the arm and shit. Would have made it slightly more believable. Especially Rick and Hershel.

Or maybe Tyrese and his group could have showed up, and Ben gets shot in the face, so Allen is all like "WTF!" heh

Yeah, I would've liked to see someone from Tyrese' group bite it and have Axel a bit longer.

Speaking of, where did they do? You know they have to show back up. I wonder if Rick goes in search of them.

[babomb]

I don't like how they're all just wasting ammo. Like they're DHS and have 1.6 billion rounds sitting there on palettes. The Gov is the worst! How is it that he's sitting pretty with a fucking Steyr, just blowing off more rounds than you can cram in a drum mag, throwing them around on full auto like they grow on trees and magically appear in his mags like all you have to do is press right trigger+X to reload.
he doesn't have access to a UN armory, where all international small arms are just there waiting to be used. That Steyr would be damn hard to come by in that world!

[Moon Knight]

I don't like how they're all just wasting ammo. Like they're DHS and have 1.6 billion rounds sitting there on palettes. The Gov is the worst! How is it that he's sitting pretty with a fucking Steyr, just blowing off more rounds than you can cram in a drum mag, throwing them around on full auto like they grow on trees and magically appear in his mags like all you have to do is press right trigger+X to reload.
he doesn't have access to a UN armory, where all international small arms are just there waiting to be used. That Steyr would be damn hard to come by in that world!

Man, I don't care about none of that, all I know is that he looked pretty badass doing it lol

[Neil]

I enjoyed the episode, but it felt like it tread water a little bit - ie: Didn't really go anywhere.

And I have to say the gun battle at the end was a tad ridiculous:-
a) The Governor drives up without being noticed?
b) He and his men, with the element of surprise, manage to shoot one person?
c) The governor and his men are all happy to just stand around waiting to be shot? eg: The honcho in the watch tower just waiting to be shot? Hey, why not lie down for a smaller target and better aim? Etc etc...
d) The truck to drop a load of zombies in there? Felt extremely contrived! Why did the driver have to get out to leave the prison? Why no drive it out?

All felt a bit 'thin' TBH!

And I'm getting a bit tired of Rick's visit to loony town now... He needs to come back!

[MinionZombie]

Yeah, I would've liked to see someone from Tyrese' group bite it and have Axel a bit longer.

Speaking of, where did they do? You know they have to show back up. I wonder if Rick goes in search of them.

Yeah - where did they go? I was expecting them to be hanging out outside or something (because Glenn followed them out after Rick's rant), so I was wondering if he was going to say to them "just hang out here and wait it out" or something. Surely they'll come back, or perhaps they're elsewhere in the grounds ... but if they were, you'd have thought they'd come to their aid, but then again maybe they just hid ... hmmm.

Yeah, Allen could have bit the dust, I already don't like that arsehole - but then for the audience that wouldn't have the same impact as losing someone from our group, if that makes sense? It also has to be someone from Team Prison specifically ... a damn shame as I too wanted more from him, but oh well...


I enjoyed the episode, but it felt like it tread water a little bit - ie: Didn't really go anywhere.

And I have to say the gun battle at the end was a tad ridiculous:-
a) The Governor drives up without being noticed?
b) He and his men, with the element of surprise, manage to shoot one person?
c) The governor and his men are all happy to just stand around waiting to be shot? eg: The honcho in the watch tower just waiting to be shot? Hey, why not lie down for a smaller target and better aim? Etc etc...
d) The truck to drop a load of zombies in there? Felt extremely contrived! Why did the driver have to get out to leave the prison? Why no drive it out?

All felt a bit 'thin' TBH!

And I'm getting a bit tired of Rick's visit to loony town now... He needs to come back!

A) Perhaps that's the point. They were all getting pretty relaxed, plus you've got to surprise the audience. Seems like he drove out of the woods or something, but I don't know.
B) Once they got one person - who was a standing still target - everyone ran for cover immediately. So they aren't going to be getting anyone easily after that - plus they don't have a wait to really coordinate their fire like "I'll take this one, you take that one, and on the count of three".
C) They're not professionals for one, and for two this is as much a brash show of power as anything else. The Governor really doesn't care anymore, so he'll gladly stand amongst the bullets ... meanwhile Martinez (or whatever his name is) was hopping about in the tree line, and someone else was using the G-Man's truck for cover (didn't help him much though as Michonne missed TG and got him instead - but as Danai said in the online Making Of, Michonne isn't good at guns, she good at the katana).
D) I presume they couldn't drive it out because they've got to make sure all the zombies leave the van (you don't want to be driving off with some still in there - you want maximum impact for your trouble - plus the van had two fences wrapped around the front of it and was bogged down in a bumpy field. I doubt you'd be getting out of there with any ease.

As for the truck full of walkers - I'm down with that - it fits Woodbury's M.O. what with those arena games and so on. They frequently catch walkers and use them as entertainment or weapons. It wouldn't be hard to round some up into a van - plus it gives Team Prison even more to worry about.

[babomb]

Seemed like someone went to alot of trouble to muscle up a Hostess truck to bring those walkers in there. That thing was all souped up, glass packs on it and everything! Sounded like a stock car with a bread truck body mounted on top.

[krisvds]

Liked it a bit better than the previous episode.

However, the Woodbury stuff was as clumsy/unbelievable as ever. Not in what goes down there as such but in how it is staged and written. Place doesn't feel real to me,..
Also: Andrea was her annoying self, again. Why they don't stay a bit more true to the spirit of the character from the comics is beyond me. Andrea was never this stupid.
And while the action was done quite well it's best not to linger on the details too long as Neil already pointed out. It's all so pulpy that to apply real life logic to most of these characters and their actions is futile.
Also: where the hell is Tyreese? Missed him.

Still: Michone speaks! Finally.
The Daryl/Merle scenes were great. Funny how the most stereotypical, over the top character of Darabonts first season is quickly turning into one of the show's best characters. Great lines, good acting. Glad he's back.

[Neil]

As for the truck full of walkers - I'm down with that - it fits Woodbury's M.O. what with those arena games and so on. They frequently catch walkers and use them as entertainment or weapons. It wouldn't be hard to round some up into a van - plus it gives Team Prison even more to worry about.
Agreed!

Did you get the feeling at the end Rick is about to go postal? :)

ps: Rick really needs to wash his hair :)

[MinionZombie]

Agreed!

Did you get the feeling at the end Rick is about to go postal? :)

ps: Rick really needs to wash his hair :)

The gloves are totally off and shit's most definitely on - that's what Rick's look suggested to me. :D

They could all do with a duck under a shower, but yeah, Rick's looking a bit wiffy ... it's a shame he didn't hallucinate Lori in the vicinity of the shower block. :lol::p:sneaky:

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Been up to my usual tricks again - put them in spoiler tags so they don't take up too much space automatically, although they do contain a 3x10 spoiler, but we all know which one.

TWD 3x10 Memes:


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'Rude'

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'Clean'

[bassman]

:lol:

"permission to shit yourself granted". Good one...

[MinionZombie]

:lol:

"permission to shit yourself granted". Good one...

:D

I was properly cacking it at that moment ... I knew they wouldn't do it, but I was so wrapped up in it that I was half-believing they might (although they'd be damned foolish, not-to-mention totally stupid and moronic and non-sensical, to bump him off ... but they still had me on-edge!) ... even still, just the idea of having one, then two, then THREE ravenous walkers pinning you against a fence, their teeth gnashing at your bare flesh, as you struggle helplessly with an empty gun ... remember the pile-on (or "bundle" as some folks in some areas say) from "18 Miles Out"? Scary stuff then - but he did have bullets.

So yeah - properly scary situation right there. A very tense battle.

Another couple below, and inspired by Neil's comment on that final shot of Rick.



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[Andy]

So yeah.. Daryl and Merle turning up just in the nick of time to save the day when the governor attacks the prison..

Who called that in the episode 9 thread?

Yeah thats right :D

[shootemindehead]

Well feck that anyway. Poor old Otis. At first I was all laughy at his joke and then I was like, Ah Bollocks!

A better episode than last week, that's for sure. Some duff bits still, that I would have directed differently (with my excellent directorial skills) :shifty: especially the Gov's Rambo act. Jesus, make an effort lad.

I actually thought that the firefight was realistic enough and the casualty list was about right. The zombie truck was great, even though I knew about it before hand from that last episode thread. But, yeh, as Neil said...ahem, drive out? Unless the driver is supposed to infiltrate. ;)


@Min - I actually thought they were going to let one of the zombies bite Rick on the hand and then have Michonne whack it off!


Poor Otis. I sadfaced.

[rongravy]

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I think I may be pregnant with Rick's love baby off that one. Where's my "Morning After" pill?

[MinionZombie]

Poor old Otis. At first I was all laughy at his joke and then I was like, Ah Bollocks!

@Min - I actually thought they were going to let one of the zombies bite Rick on the hand and then have Michonne whack it off!

Poor Otis. I sadfaced.

You mean "Axel". :p:sneaky::p

I didn't have time to even think of them maybe biting his hand, I was so wrapped up in the moment. The more I think about it, the scarier that situation is - I'd promptly brick it and be devoured, no doubt.


I think I may be pregnant with Rick's love baby off that one. Where's my "Morning After" pill?

:lol::lol::lol:

Glenn's gone off on a run to get you some, but he might be a while, he'll either be kidnapped or get lucky in the process, but he'll be back by nightfall probably. :D

[shootemindehead]

You mean "Axel". :p:sneaky::p

Well done...you caught my deliberate mistake there.

:shifty:


:confused:

[AcesandEights]

There were some off parts, but I liked the pacing of this episode better than last, even if some of the predictability is still there. Though I can't fault them for some of the predictable stuff, when they do try and throw an occasional curve ball. Dialog was a bit uneven in certain spots, but not bad and I won't get too hung up on the firefight idiosyncrasies of the show.

Overall, a pretty good episode :thumbsup:

[zombieparanoia]

This episode was pretty good, nice to Daryl get some screen time and dialogue finally. I hope he kills Merle in the season finale. I'm getting tired of Ricks constant weakness, he was the always conflicted white knight for most of season 1 & 2, hardened up a bit for end of season 2 and first half of season 3 and now is back to being a liability to the group.

The firefight bothered me a bit with the "A-team" esque accuracy of everyones firing, I don't expect everyone to be sniper but it just got a little silly there. I'm also still disappointed at how nobody makes it a rule of thumb to carry some kind of melee weapon at all times, except michonne, they should all see how effective her weapon is and take their lead there, it's not like they didn't conspicuously find an entire kit of Gerbertm edged weapons a while back.

I think Rick and co. should repay woodbury for the zombie-gram with a dozen molotov cocktails from outside the wall. Hell, the wall itself is made of tires, tires burn nicely too.

[Tricky]

Really liked the episode (just watched this one and the previous back to back) but agree with what others have said, the Woodbury scenes seem a little disjointed and out of place when compared to the gritty realistic storytelling around the prison. The way I see it is Woodbury is most things I dislike about zombie movies while Ricks group and the prison is everything I love about them. Woodbury needs to happen as without it the story couldn't follow the arc it does in the comics which fans would be in uproar about, but it has that whole "Mad Max beyond thunderdome" vibe going on in stark contrast to the emotional survival rollercoaster of Rick and his group as set up by the first & second season.

My favourite part? - Daryl Dixons car boot zombie head slammer kill, brutal! Daryl is THE man!

[Wyldwraith]

Few things really drove me nuts about this episode,
1) Except for the shooter in the woods, who I think was the Gov's current right hand man Martinez, NONE of the Governor's people, or even the Governor himself made ANY effort WHATSOEVER to take cover. I absolutely CRINGED at the # of salvoes it took to drop that idiot in the guard tower. He was skylined, not even bothering to use the guardhouse to pop in and out of, and it took FOUR characters a total of TWELVE distinct 4-12 round salvoes to down that moron. Make excuses for people's aim degrading when other people are shooting at them all you like, but Maggie had a friggin automatic weapon, cover, and a clear line of fire. In the most forgiving realistic scenario imaginable, Maggie shoulda tagged the guard tower guy with 2-3 short bursts close together almost as soon as she was settled in behind that box thing.

Same goes for the driver of the Walker-truck. WTH!?!?! He hops out, with a PISTOL, and dashes the length of the outer yard while popping off a few blind shots and a couple to keep Michonne pinned down as he neared the gate. I don't even want to get into the Governor's statue-like positioning during the attack.

Axel getting nailed made perfect sense. First shot of a surprise attack. EVERYTHING from that point onward can be summarized as "Rick & Co. suddenly lost all skill with firearms so as to make the impact of the Governor's attack so severe."

2) Where the Hell is the Governor finding enough thugs!?!?! From the look of things when Walkers were getting in and attacking Woodbury Sheeple, there was Martinez, two other guys and an armed woman who I'd never seen before now atop the gate. Ie: A force barely sufficient to hold and resecure Woodbury. Martinez was in the woods, one of his thugs in the guard tower, and the other in the Walker delivery truck, + the Governor. Now the Gov. is -1 more Thug. Ok, forget the battle's logistics. HOW DOES HE HAVE THE MANPOWER TO POST SPIES OUTSIDE THE PRISON, AND HOLD WOODBURY!?!?!

I can accept the Governor didn't lose more men than the one killed, but no one else even INJURED? C'mon now. As others have said, there were a LOT of rounds fired at guys who didn't seem to comprehend the concept of taking cover. Letting them act like that, and have their plan still work perfectly IMO devalued the entire scene. I could go on and on. Such as why Michonne didn't shoot into the windshield of the Walker-truck just before it hit the gates. She had a perfect line of sight to the target, cover and was less than twenty-five feet away at the point the truck hit the outer gate. Why not spray the windshield instead of using that same timeframe to fire aimless bursts into the woods at a far more distant and much more obscured target? It wouldn't have stopped the fences from being smashed, but it would have stopped the Walkers from being released. However, it would just be belaboring the obvious.

Bottom line? Personally, I thought it was one of the weakest scenes in the entire show and absolutely HATED its execution, results, and vast demands for ridiculously stupid amounts of suspension of disbelief. TWD is better than this. Season 1, Episode 1. The car crash shootout where Rick got shot...a picture perfect example of just how deadly, just how fast death or grave injury can come if your concentration wavers or you drop your guard too soon. The absolutely tragic thing? I LOVED the entire structure of the Governor's overall surprise attack. Sneak a guy into a sniper's nest, another setting up in the treeline, pin them down with suppressive fire, and let the Walker delivery truck's payload do the work of sowing chaos and destruction in his enemy's ranks. All they had to do was have the Governor firing over the hood of the truck beside him and hunkering down behind it when he wasn't shooting. Have the guy in the guard tower pop in and out of the tower guardhouse, and have Martinez dip back into the woods before moving further down the line in either direction before returning to the treeline edge in another position and it could have WONDERFULLY explained the complete ineffectiveness of Rick & Co.'s defensive efforts. Had they done that, the driver's brazen dash after dropping off the Walkers would've been well within my suspension of disbelief comfort zone. Simply because one could have said Rick & Co.'s accuracy was shit because their opponents had the initiative and used it to gain strong positions from which to attack.

Instead we got 4 jerkoffs standing out in the wide open, unmoving and demonstrating all the concern about the bullets being shot at them as Superman does when nameless criminals shoot at him.

Be honest, and tell me it didn't make you all a bit nuts when the Governor was just standing there unmoving, and ever 7-10 seconds just idly fired off his weapon. Sometimes even into the air 1-handed. Didn't you feel like the writers were rubbing your noses in the out-of-story logistical reality that the Governor is currently just as unkillable as Rick due to the ongoing needs of the story. They could craft the illusion of the primary protagonist being in mortal danger. So why no more risk for the Governor than a single Walker strolling up to him and negligently getting headshot while the Governor smirked at the corpse as it fell.

Wouldn't the scene have just FELT BETTER if Martinez took a slug in the thigh, the Delivery truck driver got winged, half spun around but barely managed to keep his balance and continue his dash...and then seeing that the Governor waved em in to pull back, job done?

Don't really think of this stuff as nitpicking, as it absolutely WRECKED the last 10 mins of the episode for me.

Just my .02

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Wow, nobody had an opinion about the actual details of the Governor's opening sally versus the prison? "It's pulpy, and no need to consider their actions in realistic terms" is the general consensus?

Why? Help me out here. If one cares about the future of the show, and the entire impetus of the show is currently orbiting the clash between Woodbury and Rick & Co., doesn't it follow that the future quality of subsequent episodes/seasons is determined by the pivotal actions occurring now in the storyline? Even if I'm wrong there, I genuinely meant what I said when I asked for help understanding why that scene didn't really seem to drive anyone else nuts. Is it because it's what you expected, or do you consider the attack fine as it happened?

I mean, I understand that obviously bitching about it won't change it. Yet isn't discussing what we do and don't care for and why at the heart of talking about the show and its current episodes?

Genuinely puzzled here.