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LouCipherr
16-Apr-2013, 02:14 PM
I thought there was a consensus among scientists? I thought everyone agreed? I thought the "science" was in, and we were all doomed! DOOMED!!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/16/us-climate-slowdown-idUSBRE93F0AJ20130416 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/16/us-climate-slowdown-idUSBRE93F0AJ20130416)

Scientists are struggling to explain a slowdown in climate change that has exposed gaps in their understanding and defies a rise in global greenhouse gas emissions.

Often focused on century-long trends, most climate models failed to predict that the temperature rise would slow, starting around 2000. Scientists are now intent on figuring out the causes and determining whether the respite will be brief or a more lasting phenomenon.

Getting this right is essential for the short and long-term planning of governments and businesses ranging from energy to construction, from agriculture to insurance. Many scientists say they expect a revival of warming in coming years.

Theories for the pause include that deep oceans have taken up more heat with the result that the surface is cooler than expected, that industrial pollution in Asia or clouds are blocking the sun, or that greenhouse gases trap less heat than previously believed.

The change may be a result of an observed decline in heat-trapping water vapor in the high atmosphere, for unknown reasons. It could be a combination of factors or some as yet unknown natural variations, scientists say.

Weak economic growth and the pause in warming is undermining governments' willingness to make a rapid billion-dollar shift from fossil fuels. Almost 200 governments have agreed to work out a plan by the end of 2015 to combat global warming.

"The climate system is not quite so simple as people thought," said Bjorn Lomborg, a Danish statistician and author of "The Skeptical Environmentalist" who estimates that moderate warming will be beneficial for crop growth and human health.

Some experts say their trust in climate science has declined because of the many uncertainties. The UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) had to correct a 2007 report that exaggerated the pace of melt of the Himalayan glaciers and wrongly said they could all vanish by 2035.

"My own confidence in the data has gone down in the past five years," said Richard Tol, an expert in climate change and professor of economics at the University of Sussex in England.

Swedish chemist Svante Arrhenius first showed in the 1890s how man-made carbon dioxide, from coal for instance, traps heat in the atmosphere. Many of the exact effects are still unknown.

Greenhouse gas emissions have hit repeated record highs with annual growth of about 3 percent in most of the decade to 2010, partly powered by rises in China and India. World emissions were 75 percent higher in 2010 than in 1970, UN data show.

UN PANEL SEEKS EXPLANATION

A rapid rise in global temperatures in the 1980s and 1990s - when clean air laws in developed nations cut pollution and made sunshine stronger at the earth's surface - made for a compelling argument that human emissions were to blame.

The IPCC will seek to explain the current pause in a report to be released in three parts from late 2013 as the main scientific roadmap for governments in shifting from fossil fuels towards renewable energies such as solar or wind power, the panel's chairman Rajendra Pachauri said.

According to Pachauri, temperature records since 1850 "show there are fluctuations. They are 10, 15 years in duration. But the trend is unmistakable."

The IPCC has consistently said that fluctuations in the weather, perhaps caused by variations in sunspots or a La Nina cooling of the Pacific, can mask any warming trend and the panel has never predicted a year-by-year rise in temperatures.

Experts say short-term climate forecasts are vital to help governments, insurers and energy companies to plan.

Governments will find little point in reinforcing road bridges over rivers, for instance, if a prediction of more floods by 2100 doesn't apply to the 2020s.

A section of a draft IPCC report, looking at short-term trends, says temperatures are likely to be 0.4 to 1.0 degree Celsius (0.7-1.8F) warmer from 2016-35 than in the two decades to 2005. Rain and snow may increase in areas that already have high precipitation and decline in areas with scarcity, it says.

EXCEPTIONS AND CHALLENGES

Pachauri said climate change can have counter-intuitive effects, like more snowfall in winter that some people find hard to accept as side-effects of a warming trend. An IPCC report last year said warmer air can absorb more moisture, leading to heavier snowfall in some areas.

A study by Dutch experts this month sought to explain why there is now more sea ice in winter. It concluded melted ice from Antarctica was refreezing on the ocean surface - this fresh water freezes more easily than dense salt water.

Some experts challenged the findings.

"The hypothesis is plausible I just don't believe the study proves it to be true," said Paul Holland, an ice expert at the British Antarctic Survey.

Concern about climate change is rising in some nations, however, opinion polls show. Extreme events, such as Superstorm Sandy that hit the U.S. east coast last year, may be the cause. A record heatwave in Australia this summer forced weather forecasters to add a new dark magenta color to the map for temperatures up to 54 degrees Celsius (129F).

AcesandEights
16-Apr-2013, 02:36 PM
Sigh.

I was just thinking yesterday on my drive home from work how you can never get reliable studies out of people today, because it always boils down to a means to get more research money.

That said, I think the drive to contrarianism on the part of people against the concept of global warning is all too often motivated by greed or laziness, as most of the policy and lifestyle consequences that would come from living in a world post-global-warming-acceptance are responsible and eventually necessary things societies need to look at till we attain post-scarcity (which will probably never happen, anyway) and a better balance between population on the one hand, and living space and food & resources on the other.

LouCipherr
16-Apr-2013, 04:14 PM
I think the drive to contrarianism on the part of people against the concept of global warning is all too often motivated by greed or laziness

Does that mean you don't think the people for the idea of global warming are motivated by greed?

AcesandEights
16-Apr-2013, 05:26 PM
Does that mean you don't think the people for the idea of global warming are motivated by greed?

I thought, based on the 1st sentence of my previous post, I had pretty much covered that, as a majority of the fear-selling scientific results of the last...what? 20 years have obviously been used to push for more research dollars.

Andy
16-Apr-2013, 06:06 PM
And i dont know about over there but either its been used as an excuse to hand hundreds of green taxes down.

I Wish, i wish i wish that you had posted this a couple of days aces becuase i was arguing with a leftie twat on facebook who had convinced himself global warming was fact.

*sigh*

LouCipherr
16-Apr-2013, 07:45 PM
I thought, based on the 1st sentence of my previous post, I had pretty much covered that, as a majority of the fear-selling scientific results of the last...what? 20 years have obviously been used to push for more research dollars.

My apologies, Aces - I didn't get that at first. I thought you meant the research on the "deniers" side. But now I get it.

Hey, I'm a bit dense. It must be all the bacon grease in my brain. :lol: