Godzilla (film) - 2014 reboot [Archive]

MoonSylver

20-Mar-2014, 12:08 AM

Damn, I haven't even seen this movie and it's already boring the crap out of me.

:rockbrow: ^(Is high...) :D

Looks OK. I will see it in the theathers, tho, but I actually kind of liked the '98 version.

It's an ok "generic" giant monster flick...but it's not a Godzilla movie. They missed the mark so badly Toho had to scrap their plans to let the Americans be the caretakers of the franchise from that point on & go back into production themselves, thus Gojira:Millenium (aka Godzilla 2000 here in the west).

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If any of you are fans of the genre, take a look at "Godzilla: Final Wars", in which the King puts his smack on the american version (called "Zilla" here), among others, in his worldwide tour of destruction. :)

shootemindehead

20-Mar-2014, 12:40 PM

What is that flying at 1m18s?

Godzooky?

Neil

20-Mar-2014, 12:57 PM

Godzooky?
LOL! Forgotten about him :)

http://bmoviesbreviewed.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/minilla.jpg

AcesandEights

20-Mar-2014, 01:33 PM

What is it about the trailers that you find boring?
The fact that I can't remember one thing about it already. Nothing stuck with me from it and I've already seen it a few times.

Just not a fan of Godzilla/giant monster movies?
Yeah, to be fair, I find them pretty boring from go. They were great when I was a kid and WPIX 11 would run their Summer marathon, but now I'd rather read wikipedia articles about the films and how they were made (I've actually done this before), as I find that much more fascinating than the notion of another forced modern retread.

Neil

20-Mar-2014, 02:33 PM

http://media.aintitcool.com/media/uploads/2014/merrick/godzillanewposter_large.jpg

EvilNed

20-Mar-2014, 03:41 PM

Godzooky?

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130810184007/mlp/images/4/4a/Dolls_Laughing.gif

MoonSylver

20-Mar-2014, 09:28 PM

Godzooky?

LOL! Forgotten about him :)

http://bmoviesbreviewed.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/minilla.jpg

Um, that's Minilla, as seen in the Showa ere series.

THIS is Godzooky:

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080611042028/godzilla/images/d/dc/Godzooky.jpg

This is Baby Godzilla Jr.:

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080407134042/godzilla/images/a/a4/Baby_Godzilla.jpg

who grows into an infant:

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121103021904/godzilla/images/e/e4/Godzilla_vs_spacegodzilla_bild_4.jpg

Before evolving into a young Godzilla Jr.:

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080407133825/godzilla/images/e/e8/Godzilla_Jr.jpg

Who then takes is fathers place at the end of "Godzilla vs Destroyah" at the end of the Heisei era series.

Gosh, get it right yose guys! :lol: :D ;)

EvilNed

20-Mar-2014, 10:36 PM

Godzooky!!!

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/4ce_1.gif

MoonSylver

20-Mar-2014, 11:12 PM

Godzooky!!!

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/4ce_1.gif

The whole HB series as a whole is a larf, but I loved it as a kid, & my youngest loves it now. :)

AcesandEights

20-Mar-2014, 11:15 PM

Um, that's Minilla, as seen in the Showa ere series.

THIS is Godzooky:

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080611042028/godzilla/images/d/dc/Godzooky.jpg

This is Baby Godzilla Jr.:

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080407134042/godzilla/images/a/a4/Baby_Godzilla.jpg

who grows into an infant:

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121103021904/godzilla/images/e/e4/Godzilla_vs_spacegodzilla_bild_4.jpg

Before evolving into a young Godzilla Jr.:

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080407133825/godzilla/images/e/e8/Godzilla_Jr.jpg

Who then takes is fathers place at the end of "Godzilla vs Destroyah" at the end of the Heisei era series.

Gosh, get it right yose guys! :lol: :D ;)
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b205/DougOBrien/tumblr_inline_mqvaqw5bvD1qz4rgp_zpsfe071ff8.png

MoonSylver

21-Mar-2014, 03:51 AM

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b205/DougOBrien/tumblr_inline_mqvaqw5bvD1qz4rgp_zpsfe071ff8.png

http://funnypictures.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/funny-pictures-godzilla-facepalm.jpg

Neil

21-Mar-2014, 09:52 AM

wayzim

21-Mar-2014, 04:15 PM

I bow to your greater geekness :)

For sooth, Neil doth speak truly, as I'm also admiring of your movie monster acumen ... um, Moon.

Neil

05-Apr-2014, 04:25 PM

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ProfessorChaos

06-Apr-2014, 02:52 PM

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was debating on taking my five-year old nephew to see this, but it looks a bit scary for him. will have to mull this one over. definitely seeing this one on the big screen!

shootemindehead

06-Apr-2014, 07:56 PM

Right.

I'm not watching any more of these trailers. This might actually be worth a trip to the cinema for.

AcesandEights

21-Apr-2014, 01:28 PM

Okay, saw a new trailer on the big screen and I will admit it did look awesome...for a godzilla movie.

MoonSylver

21-Apr-2014, 09:08 PM

Okay, saw a new trailer on the big screen and I will admit it did look awesome...for a godzilla movie.

Awesome...Godzilla movie....same thing. :nana: :thumbsup:

Neil

29-Apr-2014, 07:39 AM

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wayzim

29-Apr-2014, 02:03 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPl5rTYsGU8

MoonSylver

29-Apr-2014, 03:42 PM

I'm not where I can watch the "elders" trailer right now, but I saw the Asia trailer last night, & it is bad ass. I love the marketing they've done for this movie thus far. They give you a feel for the different emotional tones of the movie (depending on which one you see), show you who's in it, give you a good look at the titular creature, & a vague idea what the movie is about & THAT'S IT: NO SPOILER-RAMA-A-GO-GO!!!! :thumbsup:

Neil

11-May-2014, 06:57 PM

MoonSylver

12-May-2014, 02:44 AM

Well, all the reviews I've seen for it so far have been fairly mediocre - http://www.empireonline.com/reviews/review.asp?FID=137875

Shame!

EDIT: And then CinemaBlend goes and give it 5/5 - http://www.cinemablend.com/reviews/Godzilla-6833.html (Seems a bit of a fan boy review TBH though)

Critics were not very positive about "Pacific Rim" either. I loved it. They are not the target audience for this movie. So if you're looking for the well-reviewed & beloved by mainstream critics movie, "Lord Fancypants & Lady Fartknockers Picnic" is playing in theater two sir. :nana:

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Shock 'Till You Drop: Positive. http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/354361-review-godzilla-is-still-king-of-the-monsters/

Bloody Disgusting: Lukewarm. http://bloody-disgusting.com/reviews/3292801/bd-review-godzilla-defeated-unlikeliest-foes/

Dread Central: Positive (4/5. http://www.dreadcentral.com/reviews/godzilla-2014#axzz31SuQYEmm

Rotten Tomatoes: 83% fresh thus far, 4 of 5 stars, 18 reviews in : http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/godzilla_2014/

ProfessorChaos

14-May-2014, 03:48 AM

MoonSylver

14-May-2014, 09:11 PM

seeing this in theaters this weekend. pretty pumped. taking my 5-year old nephew, just hoping my girlfriend is incorrect about it being "too scary" for him. guess we'll see, but he's a big fan of dinosaurs and stuff like that, so i'm predicting he'll be fine.

:thumbsup:

Taking a half day tomorrow to go catch a 7:00 show, then took Friday off so I can go catch some matinee's. :thumbsup: :hyper:

MoonSylver

16-May-2014, 10:05 PM

Went to the 7pm show tonight (no spoiler thoughts follow): I liked it. Not sure if I loved it. Maybe borderline. But it was a solid giant monster flick, & more importantly a solid GODZILLA flick (something GINO '98 could NEVER, EVER lay claim to.)

Checking out the Toho Kingdom fansite tonight showed most hardcore fan reactions are generally pleased/mixed positive, which is about where I am.

I'd say they got more right than wrong. The only complaint that I've heard that I agree with is that the film could use more Godzilla. I had no problem with the amount of screen time devoted to the human characters at all, but think the movie could have used just a smidge more G. Maybe a minor/inconclusive fight earlier, etc.

All in all, I'd say 6.5 of 10. I think I liked "Pacific Rim" maybe just a bit more, as it fully embraced its subject matter & went gonzo with it, whereas G'14 is a little more restrained. Still, the DVD of this one will rest comfortably alongside its Toho counterparts, whereas G'98 is WAAYYY down at the other end of the shelf...

I'm going to go see it at least once more tomorrow, and may go again Saturday. I want to get a few more viewings, now that I know what to expect, to form a more solid opinion.

Just remember you lot who go see it: #1 It's a Giant Monster Movie. #2 It's a Godzilla Movie. Do NOT expect to take it TOO seriously. Do NOT expect it to be TOO "realistic". Wonky science & crack pot theories are pretty much a staple of this genre. You have to have a pretty healthy suspension of disbelief to buy a giant, radioactive dinosaur, who breathes atomic rays to begin with.

Beyond that, I'll be happy to discuss specifics (with spoiler tags) with those who see it, or answer questions for those who have not. :)

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Went & caught a 2:00 matinee today. I liked it even better the 2nd time around. Think I'll raise my score to a 7.5. I felt less critical the 2nd time around, & since I knew what to expect the pacing felt more natural, & the end battle more enjoyable.

Though I still think it could use just a tad more Godzilla. There is a 2nd act battle that we only get a glimpse of that would have solved that issue. I have a suspicion that it was either shot & then cut, or cut in the script stage, or cut back/down to what is seen due to budgetary reasons.

In any case, I'm already hoping it was shot so that maybe it could be added back in on DVD/Blu. :)

ProfessorChaos

18-May-2014, 05:13 PM

well, my feelings are kinda split. on one hand, godzilla looked awesome, particularly in shots where he was outlined against the coastline or ocean in daylight when you could really see him in all his glory. the dude is downright massive and a walking force of destruction. battles scenes like the ones in godzilla vs mothra would be amazing to see with today's effects.

however, lots of the film's action took place in inside the city and at night, during a power outage, with almost near-blackout conditions from the tons of ash and smoke hovering in the air. very hard to make out what was going on at times. from what i did see, the monster fight scenes were downright epic......they just didn't show enough of that sort of thing. in fact there were two parts that i recall where they actually cut away from the monster action just as it was about to begin (the airport in japan was the first, can't recall the second), only to drop in the the ho-hum boring lives human characters getting their kids ready for bed or whatever...which brings me to my next point.

the human story wasn't compelling enough, didn't really give a crap about any of the characters aside from cranston's, as none of them were even remotely interesting. towards the very end, when the big g was outlined against the pacific in the early morning light, i couldn't help but think: "man, this movie would have been so much better with shots like these, more godzilla, and more monster battles going on in the daylight."

nowhere close to as bad as the '98 shit-show, but a bit of a let-down. would probably give it a 6/10. perhaps with a second viewing would help me as well, but i really don't wanna pay for it. maybe when it hits the premium channels. on a related note, i saw it in 3d, and not really by choice, either. the theater i went to was showing the movie on four screens, with three of them being 3d. if i'd have opted for a 2d screening, i would've had to wait for almost 90 minutes for the next one to start. and since i had to pay for three tickets, it ended up costing me another 9 dollars.....so admittedly, i was a bit irked before the previews even started.

Neil

18-May-2014, 06:05 PM

^^ Do you not think the 3D added anything then?

ProfessorChaos

18-May-2014, 07:07 PM

MoonSylver

18-May-2014, 11:48 PM

^^ Do you not think the 3D added anything then?

My first showing was in 3D, second in 2D. It did feel a little "flatter" after having seen it in 3D first, but if all I'd seen was 2D I don't know if it would have made a difference.

Neil

19-May-2014, 08:47 AM

Godzilla sequel on the way - http://variety.com/2014/film/news/godzilla-sequel-in-the-works-at-warner-bros-legendary-pictures-1201185365/

AcesandEights

19-May-2014, 01:35 PM

This movie had ridiculous amounts of stupid and ungodly sums of writer fiat in it, however this was offset by tons of awesome.

I'd say they got more right than wrong.
I agree...surprisingly, as I hadn't enjoyed a Godzilla movie since I was 10.

The only complaint that I've heard that I agree with is that the film could use more Godzilla. I had no problem with the amount of screen time devoted to the human characters at all, but think the movie could have used just a smidge more G. Maybe a minor/inconclusive fight earlier, etc.
I sort of agree...I really liked the less is more concept and that focus on people and atmosphere gave me an immersion I've never seen in any of the prior Godzilla movies.

I enjoyed it.

Neil

19-May-2014, 01:56 PM

not really anything worth the extra money. i wasn't too impressed with the 3d in amazing spider-man 2 either. however, the 3d in the first amazing spider-man film was awesome and well worth a few bucks extra.

i've only seen those 3 films in 3d, so i'm no expert, but i really don't see it as anything more than a gimmick to milk consumers for more money.
My first showing was in 3D, second in 2D. It did feel a little "flatter" after having seen it in 3D first, but if all I'd seen was 2D I don't know if it would have made a difference.
This review rates Godzilla's 3D as some of the best ever, so you guys are clearly a hard crowd to please :)

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/3D-Or-3D-Buy-Right-Godzilla-Ticket-42967.html

MoonSylver

19-May-2014, 09:11 PM

perhaps with a second viewing would help me as well, but i really don't wanna pay for it.

Catch a matinee. I know I enjoyed it a lot more the 2nd time. WIsh I'd had time for a 3rd. Maybe next weekend with the kids. :)

Godzilla sequel on the way - http://variety.com/2014/film/news/godzilla-sequel-in-the-works-at-warner-bros-legendary-pictures-1201185365/

:hyper: I really am glad to hear this. There was nothing to suggest it in the film, but I have a feeling there are some things in the backstory that may get expanded on in a sequel like the MUTO's. Supposedly of Terrestrial origin in pre-history, but something tells me EXTRA-terrestrial...

This movie had ridiculous amounts of stupid and ungodly sums of writer fiat in it, however this was offset by tons of awesome.

I don't know if I would call it STUPID...typical monster movie logic perhaps...;)

I agree...surprisingly, as I hadn't enjoyed a Godzilla movie since I was 10.

Then you haven't watched enough of them. :D The Heisei series of the 90's was awesome. Millenium series of the 2000's was uneven, but still quite good IMO.

I sort of agree...I really liked the less is more concept and that focus on people and atmosphere gave me an immersion I've never seen in any of the prior Godzilla movies.

I wouldn't want them to loose any of the human footage. Just add maybe 5-10 min to the runtime of pure Godzilla. What I would have liked to see was The Honolulu fight. I think it would have been neat to transition from the news coverage, to the real thing. Not a long one, just a few minutes, with an inconclusive end, just enough to titillate & set up what is to come, while tiding you over untill the main event at the same time. I'm hoping maybe it was shot in full & might appear on Blu/DVD?

This review rates Godzilla's 3D as some of the best ever, so you guys are clearly a hard crowd to please :)

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/3D-Or-3D-Buy-Right-Godzilla-Ticket-42967.html

:rockbrow: :poke:"Mr. Pott, did you just call me black?" (Kettle, HPOTD 2014) :rolleyes::lol:

I do remember an opening shot that was quite nice, & some of the shots of Big G I remember subliminally being impressed by, but it wasn't one of those movies that has stuff jumping out at you or anything like that. As a result, when I watch 3D movies, I get engrossed in the MOVIE & tend not to pay it too much mind...:confused:

Neil

19-May-2014, 09:17 PM

^^ The thing I tend to feel about 3D films is fast action actually seems to suffer in clarity?

Neil

21-May-2014, 10:07 AM

Going to see it tonight!

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Rottedfreak

21-May-2014, 11:01 AM

Terrible film I didn't go to see monsters stomp on buildings! I wanted Art! I went to see Godzilla 98 to see a monster stomp on buildings but not this time! RUINED FOREVER!!!!!
:clown:

Neil

21-May-2014, 11:03 AM

Terrible film I didn't go to see monsters stomp on films! I wanted Art! I went to see Godzilla 98 to see a monster stomp on films but not this time! RUINED FOREVER!!!!!
:clown:Sorry, are you saying you didn't enjoy this Godzilla movie (2014)?

Rottedfreak

21-May-2014, 11:14 AM

Sorry, are you saying you didn't enjoy this Godzilla movie (2014)?

I enjoyed a lot of it, there were two annoying teases but it was well worth watching at the flicks.

Neil

22-May-2014, 09:45 AM

I basically enjoyed it. A couple of bits were great, but the rest felt somewhat "flat" to me, I think mainly because the human element felt so clunky!

MoonSylver

22-May-2014, 03:48 PM

Terrible film I didn't go to see monsters stomp on buildings! I wanted Art! I went to see Godzilla 98 to see a monster stomp on buildings but not this time! RUINED FOREVER!!!!!
:clown:

:D I see what you did there. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/Mog_Elffoe/Kaiju/ChibiGodzilla.gif

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130912230409/godzilla/images/7/7c/Haters_gonna_hate_Godzilla.gif

:lol:

I basically enjoyed it. A couple of bits were great, but the rest felt somewhat "flat" to me, I think mainly because the human element felt so clunky!

Sounds like every G film I ever saw. ;) Seriously though, I thought the human story was ok, nothing spectacular, but serviceable. BUT: I think it would have been a lot better if they hadn't killed off Cranston's character. Just because his "function had been filled" script wise, they still could have kept him around to observe & comment on the events as they unfolded. Then reunite with the son & his family at the end. It would have been much more emotionally satisfying IMO

Neil

22-May-2014, 04:08 PM

Sounds like every G film I ever saw. ;) Seriously though, I thought the human story was ok, nothing spectacular, but serviceable. BUT: [SPOILER] I think it would have been a lot better if they hadn't killed off Cranston's character. Just because his "function had been filled" script wise, they still could have kept him around to observe & comment on the events as they unfolded. Then reunite with the son & his family at the end. It would have been much more emotionally satisfying IMO

Yes, that event was the point at which there was a downturn in the human aspect of the film IMHO... It felt a bit empty and clunky from that point.

I also got a little annoyed seemingly no matter where on the entire planet his son/wife/grandson seemed to go/or be, the monsters ended up there almost personally bashing them as if they had some personal vendetta against this particular family :)

Given how effective Godzilla's super laser breath was, why didn't he use it earlier, even when he was almost being beaten?

bassman

22-May-2014, 04:17 PM

I'm still hoping to catch this before it exits theaters, but for those of you that saw it in 3D/IMAX 3D, how would you compare it to a recent similar event film like Pacific Rim?

I thoroughly enjoyed Pacific Rim in IMAX 3D. It was like an explosive roller coaster ride that rattled my senses at every turn. Sure, the film itself had issues, but on a purely spectacle sort of level it blew my mind. Is this film similar?

Neil

22-May-2014, 04:33 PM

^^ I only saw it in 2D, but reports seem to suggest the 3D is good!?

If you accept the human element is pretty average at best, and the film is not a great monster film, but certainly a more than adequate one, then you'll be fine IMHO :)

MoonSylver

22-May-2014, 09:27 PM

Yes, that event was the point at which there was a downturn in the human aspect of the film IMHO... It felt a bit empty and clunky from that point.

I also got a little annoyed seemingly no matter where on the entire planet his son/wife/grandson seemed to go/or be, the monsters ended up there almost personally bashing them as if they had some personal vendetta against this particular family :)

That didn't bother me too much...they gave reasonable enough explanations as to why the MUTO's were where they were & going where they went.

Given how effective Godzilla's super laser breath was, why didn't he use it earlier, even when he was almost being beaten?

From what I understand, G's Atomic Heat Ray is supposed to take a lot out of him. Note both times after he used it he collapses briefly.

I'm still hoping to catch this before it exits theaters, but for those of you that saw it in 3D/IMAX 3D, how would you compare it to a recent similar event film like Pacific Rim?

I thoroughly enjoyed Pacific Rim in IMAX 3D. It was like an explosive roller coaster ride that rattled my senses at every turn. Sure, the film itself had issues, but on a purely spectacle sort of level it blew my mind. Is this film similar?

I'd say PR was the edge. It was bigger & more action-y. Though Godzilla is still worth seeing IMO. ;) The 3rd act alone mostly makes up for the somewhat more subdued 1st & 2nd (2nd especially).

shootemindehead

23-May-2014, 01:10 PM

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130912230409/godzilla/images/7/7c/Haters_gonna_hate_Godzilla.gif

hahahahahahah

I literally LOL'd.

MoonSylver

23-May-2014, 04:51 PM

hahahahahahah

I literally LOL'd.

:D

I forget which on that's from...GxMegalon I think? The Showa era films (60's -70's) started 100% serious & straight, but got more bat shit crazy/full of goofy 70's Japanese pop culture goodness as they went. They are a a lot of fun though. :)

Rottedfreak

23-May-2014, 06:31 PM

Here it is (Godzilla vs Megalon):JuEa6Hum0b4

Godzilla's victory dance (Invasion of the Astro Monster):wrhe9KO8Z1Y

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triste realtà

23-May-2014, 10:17 PM

I forget which on that's from...GxMegalon I think?

Uhhuh, you sure you're a fan?:rockbrow:

Some Godzilla dvd news in case anyone's paying attention:
-Gigan, Hedorah, Ebirah have been rereleased on dvd and blu
-Media Blasters is finally rereleasing Megalon and DAM on dvd and blu sans extras including a Walmart 2fer exclusive (DAM english track is wrong pitch probably again)
-various Hesei or Millenium released on blu 2fers (not sure, I only buy Showa)
-all Gamera films crammed on blu and dvd multipacks by Mill Creek w/out english audio

...all because of this glorified video game of a movie CGIzilla 2014.

You all enjoy your modern day digital seizures. I am rewatching all my crappy Classic Media Godzilla dvds in protest.

MoonSylver

24-May-2014, 01:41 AM

Uhhuh, you sure you're a fan?:rockbrow:

Got it right didn't I? :D That was exactly the scene I was pretty sure it was from, so yes, I am a fan thank you very much. ;)

...all because of this glorified video game of a movie CGIzilla 2014.

:rolleyes:

You all enjoy your modern day digital seizures. I am rewatching all my crappy Classic Media Godzilla dvds in protest.

I'll enjoy them both, thanks. :D I'll up the ante though. I still watch all the Showa & Heisei films on VHS. :)

AcesandEights

24-May-2014, 02:29 AM

Uhhuh, you sure you're a fan?:rockbrow:

Some Godzilla dvd news in case anyone's paying attention:
-Gigan, Hedorah, Ebirah have been rereleased on dvd and blu
-Media Blasters is finally rereleasing Megalon and DAM on dvd and blu sans extras including a Walmart 2fer exclusive (DAM english track is wrong pitch probably again)
-various Hesei or Millenium released on blu 2fers (not sure, I only buy Showa)
-all Gamera films crammed on blu and dvd multipacks by Mill Creek w/out english audio

...all because of this glorified video game of a movie CGIzilla 2014.

You all enjoy your modern day digital seizures. I am rewatching all my crappy Classic Media Godzilla dvds in protest.

Wow, it just got creepy in here. :|

MoonSylver

24-May-2014, 03:25 AM

Wow, it just got creepy in here. :|

Godzilla is serious business.

http://www.troll.me/images/unamused-godzilla/unamused-godzilla-is-unamused.jpg

triste realtà

24-May-2014, 04:36 AM

I'll up the ante though. I still watch all the Showa & Heisei films on VHS. :)

See I knew you were a Godzilla nut and you shouldn't act like it's uncool.:D

and full confession: I only have the CM box, Megalon dvd (no extras:(), and a Hedorah +R.

DAM dvdr in processing (fixing the audio) and burning the OOP extras discs for Megalon and DAM.

I want the Sonys of Hedorah, Son, Gigan, Sea Monster, Mechagodzilla(is that MB) cause someone said the blurays are just a tad better than those dvds.

MoonSylver

25-May-2014, 03:49 AM

See I knew you were a Godzilla nut and you shouldn't act like it's uncool.:D

:confused: Didn't realize I was...never said it wasn't. I've been vocally & unapologetically a fan forever now, & never made any bones about it. :)

Matter of fact I've been speaking out in defense of G for quite some time 'round these parts. ;)

Why else would I have about 20-30 of the Bandai 6" vinyls, the 12" Banpresto G2000, & the new Diamond Select G89 adorning my room? :D

Still got a bunch of the old Trendmasters around too. Have the 6" NECA G2014 in the mail. Should be here by Wednesday.

Not to mention all the Dark Horse & IDW comics, J.D Lee's "Godzilla Conpendium", issues of G-Fan, "Kaiju Wars" boardgame, etc.

Heck, even still have my Godzilla from the "Shogun Warriors" line from when I was a kids back in the 70's.

Back to the movies: Have the whole Showa & Heisei series on VHS (except "Raids Again" which was out of print & I never could find until I DL'ed a copy), & the whole Millenuim series on DVD.

I've gotten about 1/3 of the of the Showa & Heisei on DVD, but got lazy & put off the rest, because as I say, I still watch the VHS. :) I would like to replace "Ghidorah the Three Headed Monster" though, as the tracking is TERRIBLE on the one I have.

Between seeing 2014 last weekend & this conversation, I think I'm going to pop over to Amazon & rectify that. :hyper:

So no, trust me, Godzilla is way cool.

http://i.imgur.com/zQbok.gif

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Went & saw it with the kids today. That makes my 3rd viewing, the kids first. They both loved it, & I enjoyed it just as much or maybe even a smidge more. This time I was really "comfortable" with it & I caught some little things I'd missed before & have taken away different thoughts about various elements of the film with each viewing.

I don't know if I'll make any more theatrical viewings or not. But I'm already looking forward to the DVD. :D

EvilNed

01-Jun-2014, 12:36 AM

Neil

01-Jun-2014, 07:52 AM

Saw this last weekend. Man, it was crap. It shouldn't even be titled Godzilla. Out of all the monsters, he's in it the least. The human characters were so bland. The main character was really dull. Ken Watanabe's doctor was just standing around looking on in disbelief all the time - seriously he had very few lines. He'd just stand there and do nothing.

What was the point of this film? It's so... Empty.I didn't feel as harsh as you about it... but I agree with your comments. It did have some nice sections/elements to it, but they were outnumbered by poorer bits.

And I did laugh out loud at just how unfortunately this one family were. ie: Where ever they went, monsters seemed to follow them to that part of the globe to stomp on them :)

EvilNed

01-Jun-2014, 01:33 PM

I didn't feel as harsh as you about it... but I agree with your comments. It did have some nice sections/elements to it, but they were outnumbered by poorer bits.

And I did laugh out loud at just how unfortunately this one family were. ie: Where ever they went, monsters seemed to follow them to that part of the globe to stomp on them :)

Had the film been more like that Trailer-scene, with the air drop, it would have been awesome. As it turned out, that was only 2 minutes out of 120.

MoonSylver

01-Jun-2014, 03:49 PM

Saw this last weekend. Man, it was crap. It shouldn't even be titled Godzilla. Out of all the monsters, he's in it the least. The human characters were so bland. The main character was really dull. Ken Watanabe's doctor was just standing around looking on in disbelief all the time - seriously he had very few lines. He'd just stand there and do nothing.

What was the point of this film? It's so... Empty.

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I never cease to be puzzled why you go see films you're obviously not going to like. It was pretty clear by now what this movie was like &/or what it was all about. Believe me when I say I had sincerely hoped you WOULDN'T go see this one. http://daveyw.freeforums.org/images/smilies/headshake.gif

rongravy

26-Jul-2014, 05:47 AM

Saw it tonight, and enjoyed it. I was glad there wasn't much Cranston in it, his hair/acting in this was frighteningly bad. His wife also pretty much had the exact same hair. Weird...
I give it a solid B+, though rewatching this might involve some fast forwarding through the slower bits. I guess maybe it's a good thing that I left craving more battle. One time when the doors close right when they are locking up, obscuring the view, I was like, "Noooooooooooo!!!"
My favorite part, and the one that silenced the audience was:
When Godzilla lays the male out with his massive tail. I actually let escape a barely audible "fuck yeah!" all whispery like...
And also when he barfs his blue beam down the chick MUTO's gullet. Sometimes you gotta go fetish.

EvilNed

26-Jul-2014, 11:46 AM

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I never cease to be puzzled why you go see films you're obviously not going to like. It was pretty clear by now what this movie was like &/or what it was all about. Believe me when I say I had sincerely hoped you WOULDN'T go see this one. http://daveyw.freeforums.org/images/smilies/headshake.gif

Hmm?

I really liked the other one, this one was just dumb. So I dont get your point here at all.

Also, according to that flow chart... I should complain.

MoonSylver

27-Jul-2014, 01:12 AM

Hmm?

I really liked the other one, this one was just dumb. So I dont get your point here at all.

The "other one" , meaning GINO aka G'98 was an ok monster film...but it wasn't a Godzilla film in any way, shape, or form. Hence Godzilla In Name Only. This one, while taking huge liberties, was still much closer to the classic G flicks.

Also, according to that flow chart... I should complain.

Nope. You're doing it wrong. :lol:

EvilNed

27-Jul-2014, 01:39 AM

The "other one" , meaning GINO aka G'98 was an ok monster film...but it wasn't a Godzilla film in any way, shape, or form. Hence Godzilla In Name Only. This one, while taking huge liberties, was still much closer to the classic G flicks.

That's just not true. An exageration if there ever was one. There's lots of different aspects to Godzilla films, and that '98 one manages to tick a few obvious boxes for sure.

Nope. You're doing it wrong. :lol:

In any case, I dont give two shits about internet flowcharts, as they're in no way meant to dictate my way of thinking on an internet message board. Dont wanna hear people complain about how shitty the new Godzilla film is? Here's a tip, Avoid Godzilla threads.

MoonSylver

27-Jul-2014, 05:09 AM

That's just not true. An exageration if there ever was one. There's lots of different aspects to Godzilla films, and that '98 one manages to tick a few obvious boxes for sure.

Perfectly true & no exaggeration. GINO doesn't look like, act like, nor possess any of the qualities of Godzilla= Godzilla In Name Only. The movie itself caprtures none of the style or feel of a Kaiju film. It is very much an American monster movie in all ways= Godzilla Film In Name Only. As a matter of fact, the film follows the pattern of "Beast From 20,000 Fathoms a lot closer than it does any "Godzilla" film.

In any case, I dont give two shits about internet flowcharts, as they're in no way meant to dictate my way of thinking on an internet message board. Dont wanna hear people complain about how shitty the new Godzilla film is? Here's a tip, Avoid Godzilla threads.

My, aren't we we the 'tude-y one? Here's a better idea: don't want to have something to complain about? Don't go see movies you know you're not going to like. As for listening to your bitching? All I was doing was poking fun at you, because honestly your opinion is completely irrelevant to me anyway.

EvilNed

27-Jul-2014, 08:06 AM

Perfectly true & no exaggeration. GINO doesn't look like, act like, nor possess any of the qualities of Godzilla= Godzilla In Name Only. The movie itself caprtures none of the style or feel of a Kaiju film. It is very much an American monster movie in all ways= Godzilla Film In Name Only. As a matter of fact, the film follows the pattern of "Beast From 20,000 Fathoms a lot closer than it does any "Godzilla" film.

That literally makes zero sense. I've seen the original 1954 movie a number of times and I see several parallells.

Monster created by Nuclear weapons? Check.
Reports of huge monster in the neighbourhood starts alarming the officials? Check.
Monster attacks huge city? Check.
Monster is a big ass reptile that will stomp on things?
Discussion between characters as to what caused the monster and the reality that it is simply "an animal" and not "a monster".

There are many divergent points, but I've also now pointed out five common points. To suggest that the '98 version has "nothing to do" with the original film.

In my view, the '98 version shares more points with the '54 version than this one did. This one was more akin to godzilla vs Mothra, and if that's your cup of tea fine, but it's still not what I wanted out of a Godzilla film.

My, aren't we we the 'tude-y one? Here's a better idea: don't want to have something to complain about? Don't go see movies you know you're not going to like. As for listening to your bitching? All I was doing was poking fun at you, because honestly your opinion is completely irrelevant to me anyway.

I've seen the '54 godzilla, and liked it, and i saw the '98 version, and liked it. You're just not making any sense.
I saw Transformers 4 the other day and I liked it, so how am i supposed to discern which films are shit and not without seeing them? It can't be done. Also, don't forget, the marketing for this film was very good. Ten times better than the actual film.

MoonSylver

27-Jul-2014, 10:27 PM

That literally makes zero sense. I've seen the original 1954 movie a number of times and I see several parallells.

Monster created by Nuclear weapons? Check.
Reports of huge monster in the neighbourhood starts alarming the officials? Check.
Monster attacks huge city? Check.
Monster is a big ass reptile that will stomp on things?
Discussion between characters as to what caused the monster and the reality that it is simply "an animal" and not "a monster".

There are many divergent points, but I've also now pointed out five common points. To suggest that the '98 version has "nothing to do" with the original film.

You realize, of course, that this very generic list could easily describe dozens of other monster flicks that are NOT Godzilla...?:rockbrow:

Sorry, but a Hermaphrodite, tuna eating, non-atomic breath, mutated IGUANA easily dispatched by a couple of missiles in the side is NOT Godzilla. Toho agreed. Which is why they IMMEDIATELY went back into production on their own films, when the the plan had been to turn the reigns over to the Americans & let them continue the series from there on out. Also why they made the G'98 monster a separate creature in "Godzilla:Final Wars", just so they could have the REAL Godzilla lay the smack on him.

I've seen the '54 godzilla, and liked it, and i saw the '98 version, and liked it. You're just not making any sense.
I saw Transformers 4 the other day and I liked it, so how am i supposed to discern which films are shit and not without seeing them? It can't be done. Also, don't forget, the marketing for this film was very good. Ten times better than the actual film.

If you say so. I didn't see anything in the marketing that the film didn't deliver. I got exactly what I expected. I knew for a fact though that YOU wouldn't like it & seem to recall saying so. So I guess I know you better than you know yourself.

In any case, you're being deliberately obtuse just for the sake of argument, as usual. I've stated my points & you refuse to see them, as usual. You don't have to agree with me. I know I'm not going to agree with you. But I'm not going to keep doing this::deadhorse: just because someone else wants to be contrary. :rolleyes:

AcesandEights

27-Jul-2014, 11:07 PM

I dont give two shits about internet flowcharts

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EvilNed

28-Jul-2014, 12:59 AM

MoonSylver

28-Jul-2014, 01:38 AM

Yeah, just pointing out that the '98 version has plenty in common with the original Godzilla-film. The first godzilla film was the very first monster film of that kind, so of course it's been copied dozens of times. A remake of Godzilla is essentially just a remake of the monster genre.

Actually, that would again be "Beast from 20, 000 Fathoms", which was a huge inspiration to Honda, along with "King Kong", which really got there before either of them.

So yeah, GINO has the broadest of generalities in common which could be said of a horde of other monster movies. Just none of the look, feel, heart, soul, or specifics that make "Godzilla" Godzilla. Got it. :rolleyes:

The new Godzilla film is a flat out bad piece of cinema. Its a remake of the Godzilla vs. Films rather than the good old actual Godzilla-film. It's a thoroughly underwhelming picture. The marketing - especially that first teaser with the airdrop, really had me hoping for something else. I enjoy a good monster flick (or better yet, robots). Too bad this wasn't it.

Meh. Still your opinion only. And it was never intended to be a remake of the original, but a reboot to launch the character & series for a new generation. Mission accomplished.

We get it. You didn't like it. Sadly you're in the minority there, as the viewing audience at large reacted well & gave it positive marks, which is why another one is already on the way.

Do yourself and the rest of us a favor & stay far, far away from it.

(Insert your snarky rebuttal here)

EvilNed

28-Jul-2014, 08:40 AM

Even so, the Godzilla film from '98 shares a lot with the original, wether you like it or not. To just say "it has nothin in common with it!" is just a tad bit silly. There's obviously quite a few things similar in both films.
Also, even if Godzilla wasn't the first, it was certainly the trendsetter. So my point stands. Godzilla from '98 was a more true remake than this one here.

I know a lot of people liked it and that's great for them. Too bad people settle with so little these days. It's truly an underdeveloped film that could have been so awesome.
Also the awkward japanese angle they tried to work in there... Geez.

MoonSylver

28-Jul-2014, 11:34 PM

Even so, the Godzilla film from '98 shares a lot with the original, wether you like it or not. To just say "it has nothin in common with it!" is just a tad bit silly. There's obviously quite a few things similar in both films.

Nothing of any significant substance. You could file the name "Godzilla" right off of that movie, & it wouldn't make a difference. Devlin & Emrich had zero investment in the character or the series, & were outright dismissive of both, & it showed in the final product.

Edwards approached both character & series with reverence & respect. Even though a number of changes were made to contemporize both , great pains were taken to make the character look & feel like Godzilla, & to capture the feel of a Godzilla film, & a majority of the fanbase feels that the were successful.

I know a lot of people liked it and that's great for them. Too bad people settle with so little these days.

Nice backhanded attempt at conciliation there. :rolleyes: Just because you didn't like it doesn't mean anyone "settled" or that they got "so little". :rolleyes:

EvilNed

29-Jul-2014, 09:13 AM

Nothing of any significant substance. You could file the name "Godzilla" right off of that movie, & it wouldn't make a difference. Devlin & Emrich had zero investment in the character or the series, & were outright dismissive of both, & it showed in the final product.

Edwards approached both character & series with reverence & respect. Even though a number of changes were made to contemporize both , great pains were taken to make the character look & feel like Godzilla, & to capture the feel of a Godzilla film, & a majority of the fanbase feels that the were successful.

I'm just pointing out how wrong you were to suggest that the 98 version had "Nothing to do" with the original Godzilla, when in fact it had more to do with the '54 version, the original Godzilla, than the new one did.

You can't argue the fact that the new one takes it's inspiration from the rather silly "Godzilla vs" films rather than the nuclear metaphor that the original Godzilla is. In that regard, the Emmerich one is a more true update than this new one.

MoonSylver

29-Jul-2014, 03:03 PM

The "other one" , meaning GINO aka G'98 was an ok monster film...but it wasn't a Godzilla film in any way, shape, or form. Hence Godzilla In Name Only. This one, while taking huge liberties, was still much closer to the classic G flicks.

Perfectly true & no exaggeration. GINO doesn't look like, act like, nor possess any of the qualities of Godzilla= Godzilla In Name Only. The movie itself caprtures none of the style or feel of a Kaiju film. It is very much an American monster movie in all ways= Godzilla Film In Name Only. As a matter of fact, the film follows the pattern of "Beast From 20,000 Fathoms a lot closer than it does any "Godzilla" film.

You realize, of course, that this very generic list could easily describe dozens of other monster flicks that are NOT Godzilla...?:rockbrow:

Sorry, but a Hermaphrodite, tuna eating, non-atomic breath, mutated IGUANA easily dispatched by a couple of missiles in the side is NOT Godzilla. Toho agreed. Which is why they IMMEDIATELY went back into production on their own films, when the the plan had been to turn the reigns over to the Americans & let them continue the series from there on out. Also why they made the G'98 monster a separate creature in "Godzilla:Final Wars", just so they could have the REAL Godzilla lay the smack on him.

So yeah, GINO has the broadest of generalities in common which could be said of a horde of other monster movies. Just none of the look, feel, heart, soul, or specifics that make "Godzilla" Godzilla. Got it. :rolleyes:

Nothing of any significant substance. You could file the name "Godzilla" right off of that movie, & it wouldn't make a difference.

I'm just pointing out how wrong you were to suggest that the 98 version had "Nothing to do" with the original Godzilla,

Who are you quoting? Stop trying to put words in my mouth. I never said that. You're being pedantic just for the sake of continuing an argument lacking in merit or substance. I do not agree. I'll leave it at that.

EvilNed

29-Jul-2014, 03:10 PM

The "other one" , meaning GINO aka G'98 was an ok monster film...but it wasn't a Godzilla film in any way, shape, or form. Hence Godzilla In Name Only. This one, while taking huge liberties, was still much closer to the classic G flicks.

I was simply pointing out that it was in fact very much a Godzilla film in plenty ways, shapes or forms.

MoonSylver

29-Jul-2014, 03:12 PM

I was simply pointing out that it was in fact very much a Godzilla film in plenty ways, shapes or forms.

Just because they share basic similarities does not make them the same thing, nor mean that they "got it right" when making what would be considered a "real" Godzilla film.

EvilNed

29-Jul-2014, 04:03 PM

Just because they share basic similarities does not make them the same thing, nor mean that they "got it right" when making what would be considered a "real" Godzilla film.

While you are certainly entitled to that opinion, you cannot deny that there's plenty in Godzilla 98' that makes it similar to the original. Again, not talking about the Vs. crap that this new one takes after.

MinionZombie

29-Jul-2014, 04:27 PM

Geez, you two are like the Ross & Rachel of HPOTD. :p;):sneaky::D

EvilNed

29-Jul-2014, 04:40 PM

Yeah, and it's not gonna solve anything. But it amuses me.

MoonSylver

29-Jul-2014, 04:54 PM

While you are certainly entitled to that opinion, you cannot deny that there's plenty in Godzilla 98' that makes it similar to the original. Again, not talking about the Vs. crap that this new one takes after.

If you say so. :rolleyes:

Geez, you two are like the Ross & Rachel of HPOTD. :p;):sneaky::D

Yeah, except all of their arguing at least held the promise of getting laid at the end. :lol:

MoonSylver

26-Oct-2014, 11:32 PM

Just saw this again today, 1st home viewing on DVD. Enjoyed every bit as much or more, on what is now the 5th viewing. All of the elements really flowed together & were very enjoyable on the home viewing. The action scenes were a lot more visible & easier to follow on a small screen & you could see the MUTO's a lot better. So while the theatrical viewings were great for the "experience", the home wasn't lacking either. So far I've enjoyed it more each time I've seen it:)

bassman

09-Mar-2019, 08:56 PM

While the previous Godzilla may not have been as successful as some would have hoped, anyone else looking forward to the upcoming sequel, King of the Monsters? It looks like they’re pulling out all the stops and diving head first into the lore with all the competing monsters.

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While there’s always the chance it’s just great marketing, they’ve definitely roped me in with everything we’ve seen thus far. They also announced long ago that this and Kong: Skull Island were produced with the intention of later making King Kong VS Godzilla, which is already filming for a 2020 release.

MinionZombie

10-Mar-2019, 11:47 AM

While I did enjoy the new Godzilla (US) movie, there was a conspicuous lack of Godzilla in it. They played it far too coy. Kong: Skull Island was pretty good fun and delivered on the 'big ass monsters smashing shit up' front, and now it looks like this new flick is finally going to deliver on what we expect from a Godzilla movie. Hopefully the plot and characters are well written enough to support it all, too!

bassman

10-Mar-2019, 09:28 PM

Yeah, I agree about the first film. I’d read that the director intended for it to be more of a third act reveal, similar to Jaws, but the problem is that it didn’t have good human characters to carry it all the way to that reveal point. Bryan Cranston was the best human of the film, but he was sadly underused.

King of the Monsters seems to be sporting an impressive cast, so hopefully they’ve learned from their mistakes, have better characters, and also deliver on the monster spectacle.

Also, I enjoyed Skull Island, as well. It has it's issues of course, but it seems like that Director had a much better grasp on what sort of adventure he was intending to deliver. I’d actually like to see another Kong film before we get the big matchup in 2020. Not only that, but it seems to me that the big matchup of Godzilla VS Kong loses a large part of it’s appeal after the audience has already seen Godzilla battle multiple other large monsters in his own films.

EvilNed

10-Mar-2019, 09:55 PM

The last Godzilla film had a fucking awesome teaser trailer. Unfortunately it also turned out to be the only good thing about the film itself.
I agree that the characters in that film were really bad. I especially loathed Ken Watanabes fucking stupid scientist whose only function was to arrive late to the party and stand and watch the devastation in awe. God damnit that film was bad.

shootemindehead

12-Mar-2019, 08:21 AM

Well, it wasn't THAT bad Neddy. There's much, much worse out there. It was ok.

Sure, the lead, if you can call him that was extremely milquetoast, but in a film like this who gives a shit about the people? I'd have much rather that Cranston was the lead all the way through, myself. The focus on the son was a bad move. But, maybe they just couldn't get Cranston for the full show?

Frankly, I thought it was far better than that Kong Island bollocks.

bassman

13-Mar-2019, 10:07 PM

I agree that there is definitely worse out there, shoot, but at the same time, Ned has very valid points. I just rewatched the films mentioned in this thread and this one was even worse than I had remembered. As previously stated, it might not be so bad if the human characters weren’t so terribly underwritten. The film takes its sweet time getting to the good monster action and the humans just can’t carry it all the way to that point. At all.

It starts out well with the old footage and the meltdown at the plant, but after that I was checking my watch up until the real Godzilla/MUTO battle closer to the end. The actors playing the husband and wife are generally quite good in other projects, but here they were apparently given nothing to work with. Even with all this devastation seemingly following the son across the globe, you just don’t care for him at all. Cranston garnered more sympathy with only a fraction of the screen time.

Once the battle begins in San Francisco, it’s enjoyable for a big “monster smash” type of ending, but that middle section is friggin tedious! Really hurts the film, IMO. Hopefully Farmiga and Brown are given better and more engaging roles in this new movie. They’re both great actresses, so hopefully the script doesn’t let them down like it did for the characters in this first entry.

It also occurred to me while watching....are the MUTO monsters rip-off’s of other Godzilla characters? I’m no expert on the series, so I could be way off here, but the one with wings almost felt like a substitution for Mothra for some reason? As I said, I’m not a huge fan like some, so I could feel that way simply because it has wings. My having seen Mothra in the trailer for the sequel may have helped to bring it on, as well...

shootemindehead

14-Mar-2019, 12:24 AM

Sure. But, I didn't say the points aren't valid. I just don't see 'Godzilla' as that bad a picture. It's a dumb movie about monsters wrecking shit. There's really nowhere that great to go with it. The opening with Cranston and Binoche was probably the best human parts of the film and the stuff with the charisma vacuum son is a let down. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone who'd disagree and let's be honest, no Godzilla movie has ever been a showcase for acting talent, has it? But, other than that, I enjoyed it. Maybe I wasn't full of expectation about it, so I had an ok time? I don't know. Nor, do I really give a crap about Godzilla movies. I was never that big on them. But, I certainly don't think that it was a "bad" film. I enjoyed it much more than the "Shin Gojira", the recent Japanese effort.

Watch a Neil Breen film if you want to see bad.

As for the sequel, the trailers look ok. But, again, I'm not going to expect much out of that either and into the bargain, there's a weird environmental angle that looks tacked on and out of place too. so, I don't know how they're going to play that out.